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tobnical: @Olasesi: u said "the messiah Jesus was not more than a messanger" its as if u dont knw d meaning of messiah. that is exactly whom Jesus is. check ur dictionary for its meaning.the exact arabic from the Quran is masih translated as messiah.... this is what wikipedia has to say.... |
brainchild78: when you talk about shallow I recommend that you refer to yourself first. Any statements put forward about the authenticity of Christianity of islam should be backed with facts, which you actually failed to demonstrate. There is nowhere in the Kjv where it is stated that Jesus said he will send a physical messenger/prophet which islam claims to be mohammed.OH should be backed with facts and these facts MUST COME FROM THE KJV. |
brainchild78: . If one reads the Bible cover to cover then you will come to the conclusion that the assertion of the Koran being a final testiment is absolutely false.YEAH ....assuming a xtian reads it....... ......have u ever read the Quran at all? brainchild78: the messenger that Jesus said will come after him that muslims claim to be Muhammed was not in fact a physical being but rather a spiritual personality popularly known to Christians as the Holy spirit."If ye love me, keep my commands. And I will pray to the Father and He shall give you another Comforter. That he may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth." (John 14:15-17) "But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things.." (John 14:26) Again: "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." (John 16:7) "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me." (John 16:12-14) John 14:26 says that the Holy Ghost is the Comforter. This claim is contrary to the plain and unambiguous words of John 16:7, wherein Jesus says that his going away, i.e., the death of Jesus is inevitably necessary of the coming of the Comforter. The New Testament says that John was filled with the Holy Ghost even before he was born (Luke 1:14), and speaks of Jesus himself as receiving the Holy Ghost in the form of a dove (Matthew 3:16) Thus, the Holy Ghost was wont to visit men before Jesusas as well as in his own time. To what, then is the reference in the words, "If I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you." Surely not to the Holy Ghost; for it is a matter of common knowledge that the Holy Ghost was co-existing with Jesusas, and it would be sacrilegious to think for a moment that Jesusas was without the Holy Ghost. So, the Comforter was someone other than the Holy Ghost. brainchild78: Additionally, the koran's account of Jesus and in fact any of the Biblical prophets is incomplete and distorted.YEAH....... a xtian SPEAKING............ brainchild78: I know the muslims may find this hard to swallow but I challenge them to prove me wrong by actually reading the unadultrated KJV and then venturing to examine the koran.please which one is the unadulterated KJV |
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Ayomivic: If you can answer these then i will answer your questioyes ....according to islam. Ayomivic: 2 was he a true prophet sent by most high God?yes .....acknowledged by islam... Ayomivic: 3 what purpose did he comes to the earth for ?he was sent with the same message and purpose that those b4 him were sent with....i.e basically for the proclamation that there is no god worthy of worship but God Ayomivic: 4 what gospel did Jesus preach when on earth ?he was given a book called the injil(the gospel) what we presently have is the gospel according to MATTHEW MARK LUKE AND JOHN(third persons)(written few years afetr "HIS DEATH" ...no gospel according to jesus.you will agree that meanings are always lost in translations and messages reported by third persons,personal interpretations may be added, misintterpretation of mood etc. for example, one gospel saw jesus carrying his cross by himself and another saw someone else helping him.(do u think a story like this was given by God?. no, they were only reporting what they saw) also, the four gospels contain few contradictory passages so the best guess is to say that some part of the gospel were lost......because the original gospel of jesus given to jesus by God contained no contadictory passages.....for example(who came to the tomb first? mary or who) conclusively, what we currently have is the story of jesus christ as seen by matthew and the rest....... DO U THINK THE GOSPEL THAT WAS GIVEN TO JESUS WILL CONTAIN HIS OWN STORY. BIRTH TO DEATH?.....?.. matthew and the rest were only relaying all that happened to him during his lifetime to us.. |
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tobnical: the fact of the matter is that most of the stories abt Jesus in the Quran were not shown to Muhammed by GOD.yes it was not shown to him. but it was communicated to him. to whom was the conception of jesus christ shown to? none i guess. tobnical: since d Bible was written before he came. He only read the Bible/the history of Jesus and modified the stories there to suit his purpose.. sorry you cant prove this. ...... Mr tobnical, muhammed was an illitrate and could not read the bible and there was no indication that it was ever read to him...... |
tobnical: how reasonable is it for one to say that d Bible is the book dat best describe the life of Muhammed.it will be very unreasonable...... because the tians will not agree that the bible says anything about prophet muhammed..... again it baffles me that the bible seen by many as the word of God overlooked the great coming of prophet muhammed, a man whose existence has in one way or the other shappened the universe,EVIL, as some people see him and KIND as some other will. at least it(the bible) should av warned xtians against him i.e(it should say "an arab man shall come claiming another religion and preaching his doctrines to you.he shall indirectly cause great bloodshed in the world and he shall av many followers, he shall cause rivalry between you and them...etc" ....this would av been the greatest miracle of the bible..........but it missed it.tobnical: i think it shld be the Quran.NO. it's not the Quran... the Quran is viewed by the muslims as the LAST TESTAMENT i.e(like the summary of all the scriptures that has gone before it). it contains stories of the evil ways of the people before us, their rebellion, the prophet that was sent to them and their punishment after rejecting the warnings of their propeths... it also contains laws (family laws, business laws)law of human relation.etc it contains few scientific miracles,prophesies,matters in which people differ,the description of paradise,angels,jinns and hell. so you see there are more serious things to discuss in the quran than just the story of one man(as if he was the founder of islam). people have long been living in arabia before the prophet was born, so the quran need not tell us about him. the people of arabia should. if u want to get the story of prophet muhammed, go to the hadiths(a book containing the sayings and doings of prophet muhammed). it might also be interesting to know that "jesus" appears in the quran 25 times and "muhammed", only 5 times( at least he was careful not to mention his name too many times while he was writing the quran so that people do not become suspicious if the quarn was the book of God or of muhammed)..... a chapter of the quran is called "mary" the mother of jesus... aminah was the mother of the prophet,khadijah,the mother of his kids, aishah, his beloved wive and faatimah his lovely daugther.... and none these personalities can be found in the quran... ....not even in the table of content or the preface... ...this should not surprise as...THE QURAN IS NOT THE BOOK OF MUHAMMED AND WOULD CONTAIN NO SUCH THING... it contains the MOST SIGNIFICANT of everything. tobnical: the Bible is the book dat best describe who Jesus is and the life He lived. .NO i disagree.... the quran and bible both contain the story of jesus..why sould i take from the bible and not the quran... pls dont say "because the bible came first or because it is more detailed" cos i would ask "does first mean best or detailed, reliable". ....and now a small TEST when describing the last hours of jesus christ one of the gospels said he carried his cross by himself and another said he was helped.. who was/were the first person(s) to rush to his tomb on the day after the sabbath?. mention the genealogy of jesus from david to joseph....(dont ask me"according to which gospel"..... should the genealogy of one person be different in any gospel?) |
yes i dooooooo the thought that the same will be done to u may keep u from killing someone..... so if dealt penalty is abolished, then that has set u loose. |
and from adherant.com on wikipedia
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As number can become insignificant in some cases, it may be informative in some. And as number doesn't win a war, it's also not too bad to know how much we number. The first post of the OP didn't intend to place Islam above all other religions and the spewing of "hate" from other posters wasn't necessary either.......just disprove the OP if u'av got problem with the post......... and back to mr OP... ....i dont agree. Even though i am a Muslim....... the xtians total about 2.2 billion and we number about 1.5..... |
mazaje: Al Janat exist only in your imaginations. . . .The FOI bill has been passed........so you can say what u want mazaje: This highlighted part is the endless LIES you guys always tell each other so that you can sleep at night. . Islam= Violence and death of the infidels.SAME AS ABOVE...u can say what u want. mazaje: . . . Sure Islam will surely lead muslims to the next level of delusion. . .Since allah has failed his slaves his slaves are now seeking for solace in the next level of delusion and finding comfort in numbers. . .everybody says this everyday mazaje: You don't even know what truth is. . .all you have are your delusions, lies, myths and fantasies to talk about. . .PLEASE... tell us the TRUTH wake us up from our delusions and fantasies. |
words like (level, madam,dad etc) are also welcomed but meaningful sentences score more points, let's av urs mine are WAS IT A CAT I SAW NURSES RUN NEVER ODD OR EVEN DO GEESE SEE GOD. read each of the above from the last letter,they are just the same as reading them from the front, |
[quote author=gse-integrity link=topic=880463.msg10287994#msg10287994 date=1330386975] THE MESSIAH WAS PROPHESIED TO COME BY A VIRGIN, LIVE ,DIE FOR THE SINS OF MAN AND RESSURECT TO THE GLORY OF GOD. ![/i][/quote]WE KNOW everything always start and end INSIDE THE BIBLE |
^^^^^^^my above post was satirical read carefully |
[quote author=gse-integrity link=topic=880463.msg10287994#msg10287994 date=1330386975] THE MESSIAH WAS PROPHESIED TO COME BY A VIRGIN, LIVE ,DIE FOR THE SINS OF MAN AND RESSURECT TO THE GLORY OF GOD. ![/i][/quote]YES INSIDE THE BIBLE, |
ridgeman:QURAN(003.045) YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah; "Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt."—Qur'an, Surah 19:30-35 few verses of the quran about jesus. jesus was mentioned 25 times in the quran and muhammed, the acclaimed author only 5 times. at least he was intelligent enough not to mention his own name too much in "his book" that it might attract suspicions from his critics. ridgeman:WHO REGARDS HIM AS A LIAR? Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle(i.e Muhammed) said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts. ridgeman:if muslims are to accept the teachings of jesus christ why do u think those teachings av to come from the bible.? jesus was given a book called the injil which has been lost (the gospel of jesus christ) what we now av is the gospel according to matthew,mark,luke and john with few contradictory contents. this is what the quran has to say Say, “He is God, the One. God, to Whom the creatures turn for their needs. He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none like Him.” (Quran, 112:1-4) so we are not taking any teaching that contradicts the quran. God is free from such human xteristics. quran5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.{quran5:75} he was human. and i guess in the bible he was circumcised, i guess u know why people are circumcised, so the teachings we take come from the quran not the bible, here are some of his teachings from the quran Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell). For the wrongdoers,3 there will be no helpers.” (Quran, 5:72) below are more reasons why we muslims dont take his teachings from the bible “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid (John 8:14) “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. (John 5:31) he couldnt av said both , But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (Matthew 5:22) You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Matthew 23:17) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? (Matthew 23:19, KJV) to call fool or not to? John 19:26-27 New International Version (NIV) 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman,[a] here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. to us, this was quite rude. and maybe its not in the original language. one of the few reasons why the original language should be demanded, as u will agree,no matter how perfect a translator maybe,true meanings are lost in translations among the most steadfast and hopeful of God's mercy among the people are his prophets, messengers etc muslims do not believe jesus couldav said these words "my God my God why av u forsaken me" according to us,this is a statement of disbelief. who if not jesus should av the strongest faith even while being lynched flesh by flesh, such statements were not even coming from the two theives. we are sure he didnt say such. ridgeman:we pick everything but unfortunately everything must come from the quran or the original bible which we believe is in accordance with the quran |
[quote author=Nn-a-Nn-a link=topic=880463.msg10287230#msg10287230 date=1330377065]1. Was Barnabas really its author? This book professes to be a Gospel and alleges that its author was the Apostle Barnabas. We must therefore begin by enquiring who the man Barnabas really was and at the same time must decide whether he is the author of the book we are considering in this booklet. To do this we must make some comparisons between the knowledge that we have of the real Apostle Barnabas in the Bible and the professed author of the Gospel of Barnabas. At the beginning and end of this book two comments appear which immediately assist us in our quest. They are these:[/quote]why should the author bother u? there are more than few books of the bible with wrong authors e.g moses couldnt av written deutronomy(his obituary appears at the last part of this book) same applies to the book of joshua,unknown authors e.g who wrote the book of esther?, so, that barnabas wrote it or not should not be the reason for its exclusion as the above books also made it to the bible. |
ridgeman:NOW I TEND TO WONDER HOW PEOPLE REASON. so u cant be truthful unless u are the son of God. why is he truthful? because he is the son of God. why is he the son of God because he is truthful. |
Francis Diote:CONTRADICTS HIS TEACHINGS? “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid (John 8:14) “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. (John 5:31) In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:16) TAKE CARE not to do your good deeds publicly or before men, in order to be seen by them; otherwise you will have no reward reserved for and awaiting you] with and from your Father Who is in heaven. (Matthew 6:1, Amplified Bible) He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. (Matthew 12:39) He sighed deeply and said, "Why does this generation ask for a miraculous sign? I tell you the truth, no sign will be given to it." (Mark 8:12) Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34) "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (John 14:27) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34) But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (Matthew 5:22) You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Matthew 23:17) DONT BLAME MUHAMMED IF HIS TEACHINGS CONTRADICT JESUS' Francis Diote:why do u potray jesus as if he was such a great man of peace and tolerance? “Do not think that I came to bring PEACE on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB) 49 I have come to cast fire upon the Earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke 12:49-53) “If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.” (Luke 14:26) “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no SWORD is to sell his coat and buy one.” (Luke 22:36 NASB) Matthew 21:12-13 (New American Standard Bible) 12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. New Living Translation (©2007)(matthew 21:19) and he noticed a fig tree beside the road. He went over to see if there were any figs, but there were only leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" And immediately the fig tree withered up. Matthew 15:22-26 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting [a]at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began [b]to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not [c]good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” You blind FOOLS! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Matthew 23:17) Francis Diote:JESUS is the true messiah because he preached 1 man 1 wife and MUHAMMED is the false messiah because he preached 1man many wives. WHAT A FUNNY CRITERIA? |
frosbel:was this part of your original bible b4 it was removed or it wasnt part of it from the beginning, and again the catholic bible contains 7 more books than the common bible with 66 books. who added, who subtracted, what was the criteria? why then do u think the gospel of barnabas should not be in the bible.? |
frosbel:@frosbel haven't u given up on us, Yes,we are violent,cruel,brutal,barbarous,inhuman,rude,fanatical,extreme etc, so what? why do we muslims av to try so hard to explain ourselves to you(xtians), ? whatever we say u all still seem to stick to ur ideas,so what's the point explaining. so accepting that islam is violent this tyme wont do more than to let sleeping dog lie. and it will not in the least affect islam as even very reasonable people will read the quran and accept islam. they wont need ur commentary on it. so if i, as a sincere muslim accept that we are the most violent humans on earth,would u as a sincere xtian accept that u then are the most foolish, your HOLY SPIRIT predicts football matches,raises the dead to life again,heals the afflicted,protects the weak etc. WHY CANT HE SAVE YOU FROM US? why then do u all still worship HIM? we keep KILLING u and u keep ANALYZING, i am sorry but that's just it if i must accept we are violent. so stop being stupid and next tyme we come to fight u forget the HOLY SPIRIT and pick up arms against us maybe by that we may also stop being violent. |
Kay 17:yes, you are RIGHT!!! so leave us to it, we LIKE the attention. |
frosbel:which VERSION? |
this time, xtians appear more in the list,
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FXKing2012:PREJUDICE can be a very great thing it makes us see only what we want to see. in fact, it can make 10 bcom 4 and 19 become 20. HOW DID U ARRIVE AT 20.? obviously, all the sects of islam in that list,the sunnites,shiites of number 6,14,22 were all seen as muslims by the OP.he counted everything islamic, FINE. let's begin counting for the muslim wars. no 2,4,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24, and it totals 19, and now to the xtian wars, mr OP said it numbered 4, hmmmmm a jaundiced view, in this case,he was less careful while counting he did not consider the coptic,the roman catholics,protestants,orthodox etc as branches of xtianity, so he arrived at 4 now let us begin counting no 1,2,3,4,5,11,15,16,18,19 and so it totals 10,
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FXKing2012:what is this? are u offering us a draw? below is a similitude of our discussion xtian:why is it that muslims are always the suicide bombers,causing wars,chaos,violence and bloodshed in our world? muslim:no,muslims are not the only ones involved,there are xtians too. xtian:no,there are not. muslim:then see this newspaper in my hand.it has the list of wars with religious dimensions, xtian:OK, i see it but the wars of the xtians are not as many as the muslims' , IN CHESS JARGON we say, the xtian offerred a DRAW. well,DRAW accepted there have been xtian terrorists too though more islamic terrorists than we av of xtian, |
this was what they really were
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FXKing2012:the pages above also show that they were xtians. and it also said CRUSADES. and u know xtians were involved in the crusades. I insist they were XTIANS but if u insist that it was a CULT. then it's simple CHRISTIAN CULT. |
answers.yahoo, wiki.answer.com, wikipedia and the likes are WRONG!!!! why? Because they didnt say muslims were the first suicide bombers |
...no gospel according to jesus.
