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Celebrities › Re: This PM News Headline About Davido's Son's Death Is Mindboggling by olasesi(m): 1:25pm On Nov 02, 2022

How can this be offensive? Is there anyone whose relative or beloved God can not take?

Celebrities › Re: Davido Closest People That Died Not Too Long by olasesi(m): 12:50pm On Nov 02, 2022

So what's your point exactly?

Properties › Re: Don't Bother Building A Family Swimming Pool If It Is Not Like This (PICS) by olasesi(m): 12:21pm On Nov 02, 2022

Starzo:
Your religion also teaches people to blow up themselves in the hope of getting 72 virgins in paradise,so?...

You are not smart and I am not like you. Of all that I posted, this is what you could come up with. What has my post got to do with blowing up?

Properties › Re: Don't Bother Building A Family Swimming Pool If It Is Not Like This (PICS) by olasesi(m): 9:22am On Nov 02, 2022*

The way we think differently amazes me. Someone came up with pictures of better ways things could have been done, and people could only retrogressively object to it. They did not even suggest anything that is better if they think this is not good enough.

Are you saying the chances of getting drowned in a pool that is covered is the same chance as with a pool that is not covered?
Why has Africa always been backward and retrogressive in thinking?

One would not expect people who use this platform or use the internet to think like this. What then would be the case of average market men and women who may be ignorant of a lot of things?
If this happened in Europe or America, and they have a forum like this, they would likely be discussing why he did not get his pool covered when he has a child at home. But here we are in Africa. It's is different, all just from the comments of people here. What is more shocking to me is the high number of "likes" you get from such comments. It makes me feel like I am the the crazy one here. But if really I am the crazy one, I would prefer to be crazy in the eyes of people who hold such thinking. And yet you people have internet. It's a shame to the 21st century.

Aren't the whites Christians too? Yes people in houses of those pictures. But they didn't wait for God to do what a man can do. In fact, if God loves you, he would give you knowledge so it will occur to you to cover your pool because of the danger. But if he does not love you, he would let you wallow in your ignorance and let you expect him to save you from such danger from up there where he is.

In my own religion, we are told to tie our camel and then put our trust in God. Let me relate to you.

One day Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) noticed a Bedouin leaving his camel without tying it.
He asked the Bedouin, “Why don’t you tie down your camel?”
The Bedouin answered, “I placed my trust in Allah.”
At that, the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Tie your camel and place your trust in Allah” (Tirmidhi)

That's a good balance between faith and reality.
Even with that sef, they still fit steal am. But you still just have to do what you can to ensure it.

But if we think all these are still nonsense. We can as well then leave the doors of our house open. After all, what will happen will happen. We also may not have to use passwords for our accounts because we still get hacked anyways. We may even go national. We wont be needing the police anymore. we spend too much on security and yes there are still attacks.
It's then we will appreciate numbers.
No one said it's secure 100%. But not doing anything to secure more is pure foolishness.

And kudo to those who gave different other ways. People who think they wont construct a pool in their house are even way smarter than those saying it's God that protects or that what would be would be.

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Politics › Re: China Opens Police Station In Nigeria by olasesi(m): 10:57am On Oct 19, 2022

A risk we may have to take and allow. Perhaps if China takes part in Nigeria's affairs, they will be able to deal with what we could not achieve all this while. Let them handle electricity and economy too. We would learn from them how they could handle a multicultural society like ours plagued with corruption, insecurity, and etc. Let's see what they can do.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 5:51am On Sep 26, 2022

Ojuntana:
It doesn't matter whether they are two or three. What I showed about the faulty synopsis of the Quran is the fact that there are so many prophets with messages but only four have distinct messages.

I must first point out that Quranic accounts of most of these persons differs very significantly from Biblical accounts. While the Bible agrees that Noah preached to his people about the impending destruction, it does not say he was sent by God. As a matter of fact, God had already made up His mind to destroy these people. Your Quran also seems to say Abraham preached to Lot. It is not so in the Bible because Lot actually did not partake in the sins of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. His fault was condoning them and that was why he was not marked for destruction along with them. As I told you before, Abraham was not sent with a message to anyone according to Biblical accounts. Instead God developed a personal relationship with him which took him out of his paternal land to a foreign land for his offsprings to inherit according to God. Note that, Abraham was not a depiction of a prophet according to Biblical standards. Nevertheless, he was a man with a covenant with God. Those are two distinct things. A covenant usually comes after a sacrifice or acceptable worship to God. Abraham's came after he obeyed God in sacrificing Isaac. Noah's also came after he built the first altar to God after the flood. Those covenants are significant because from them came a definite boundary of relationship between God and man that exists even till this day. For example, Adam; be fruitful and multiply. Noah; I will no longer destroy the earth by water.

Now, I usually wonder why we should accept Quranic accounts of the patriarchs of the Jews given by an Arab over that of the Torah which was written by a Jew. Does a stranger tell a people's story to them? Can a Briton tell the Yoruba their history? Or the Chinese tell the Igbo their history? I believe very strongly that the Quranic accounts are best taken with a pinch of salt at best.

I also find it interesting you think God needs to be justified before he can judge others. I thought the Quran depicts humans as God's slaves. How does a master justify his actions to his slaves? Does he even need to warn his slaves? He can choose to kill whoever he wills among them, warn others and even forgive the most guilty. The master-slave relationship from time immemorial has never been based on any form of justice. So I wonder why you think God should be beholden to explain himself to his slaves, or rather, warn them of his impending actions before he can be allowed to be a judge over them. I'll like to think that is antithetical to Quranic depiction of God.

And I strongly believe God has a purpose for everything he does. He could not have done anything without reason or purpose cause that is an attribute of thoughtless or low-intelligence beings. God is the Omniscient. So to say he might not have a purpose for an action of his is reducing his capabilities.

May I ask what then was Adam's message of preaching and to whom? I know Adam is described in the Quran as well as the first man. So who did he preach to? The trees? Animals? Heavenly bodies? or Eve.
If prophets are to be sent by God to different people, who did he send to the Chinese? What about Africans? who did he send to them? The fact is God chose to work through the people of Israel. It is indisputable. Even by the Quran. For the Quran recognizes the genealogy of the Jews as people who received three out of the four books. It also does not explain how come the fourth book was sent to an Arabian and not a Jew. It is another faulty synopsis of the Quran.
The covenants preceded the other and the inadequacy of each one led to the need for the other. Adam fell. Noah got drunk and cursed. Abraham's offsprings became slaves in Egypt. Moses did not enter the Promised land. David's offsprings lost the kingdom. It is the imperfections of the human bearers of these covenants and their generations that led to the need for the other.

It is interesting you say the Quran was not tampered with. How? It was not written by Muhammad himself who got the revelations but by a third party, years after his death, who also ensured some "uncomfortable" manuscripts were burned.

So it is not factual to say with full certainty that it was not tampered with.

It doesn't matter whether they are two or three. What I showed about the faulty synopsis of the Quran is the fact that there are so many prophets with messages but only four have distinct messages.
No. They all were given the same message but some have scriptures/books and some don't. And why would you wish that they contained distinct messages when they are from the same God? We don't wish for distinct messages, we wish for the same message, and one confirming what the previous have come with. We think God core message should be consistent.

“And certainly We sent to every nation a Messenger (saying): ‘Worship Allah and avoid false gods.’ “Quran 16:36

“And (remember) when Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said, “O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you, confirming the Taurat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed”. But when he (Ahmed, i.e. Muhammad – SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: “This is plain magic” (Quran, 61:6).

"It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Quran) to you with truth, confirming what came before it. And He sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)." (Quran3:3)

“He (Allaah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islamic Monotheism) which He ordained for Nooh (Noah), and that which We have revealed to you (O Muhammad), and that which We ordained for Ibraaheem (Abraham), Moosa (Moses‎) and ‘Eesa (Jesus)”
[al-Shoora 42:13].

While the Bible agrees that Noah preached to his people about the impending destruction, it does not say he was sent by God.
Please sir, return with a reference from the bible that says that Noah preached to his people about the impending destruction.

Now, I usually wonder why we should accept Quranic accounts of the patriarchs of the Jews given by an Arab over that of the Torah which was written by a Jew. Does a stranger tell a people's story to them? Can a Briton tell the Yoruba their history? Or the Chinese tell the Igbo their history? I believe very strongly that the Quranic accounts are best taken with a pinch of salt at best.
Well I really have not noticed when God sends messages to people based on their ethnicity. If it's the truth, then it's the truth. We Muslims believe in the Torah but we just wish that it was just the way it was when it was first revealed. We could find the obituary of Moses in Deuteronomy towards the end of the book. That couldn't have been Moses unless there was another Moses. They know more about their book, but their book has been "touched". Research on the Torah and you will find out that modern scholarly consensus rejects Mosaic authorship, and affirms that the Torah has multiple authors.

I also find it interesting you think God needs to be justified before he can judge others
Yes. He is just and would tell others to be.
If you think God is just too, tell us how he would be just without him first reminding or warning?

Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner. Verse (35:24)

[i]“And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)”
[al-Isra’ 17:15]"

“This is because your Lord would not destroy the (populations of) towns for their wrongdoing (i.e. associating others in worship along with Allah) while their people were unaware (so the Messengers were sent)”
[al-An ‘am 6:131].

And We did not destroy any city except that it had warners
As a reminder; and never have We been unjust. Verse (26:208-209)[/i]

I thought the Quran depicts humans as God's slaves. How does a master justify his actions to his slaves? Does he even need to warn his slaves? He can choose to kill whoever he wills among them, warn others and even forgive the most guilty. The master-slave relationship from time immemorial has never been based on any form of justice. So I wonder why you think God should be beholden to explain himself to his slaves, or rather, warn them of his impending actions before he can be allowed to be a judge over them. I'll like to think that is antithetical to Quranic depiction of God.

He it is Who accepts repentance from His servants and forgives sins and knows all what you do (Quran 42:25)

Tell them, (O Prophet): “My servants who have committed excesses against themselves, do not despair of Allah's Mercy. Surely Allah forgives all sins. He is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Quran 39:53)

Really it is contrasting that the slave ones have a just master and the non-slave ones do not think that God needs a justification for punishing them for something they are not aware of or know is wrong.

And I strongly believe God has a purpose for everything he does. He could not have done anything without reason or purpose cause that is an attribute of thoughtless or low-intelligence beings. God is the Omniscient. So to say he might not have a purpose for an action of his is reducing his capabilities.
That's for God. But for the people who were not warned, it's injustice. It's a different thing if they knew what they were doing was wrong and they continued. For example, not everyone knows that idolatry is wrong until you tell them.

May I ask what then was Adam's message of preaching and to whom? I know Adam is described in the Quran as well as the first man. So who did he preach to? The trees? Animals? Heavenly bodies? or Eve.
It's not stated in the Quran how he preached to his sons. He preached to his sons that there is only one God.

If prophets are to be sent by God to different people, who did he send to the Chinese? What about Africans? who did he send to them? The fact is God chose to work through the people of Israel. It is indisputable. Even by the Quran. For the Quran recognizes the genealogy of the Jews as people who received three out of the four books. It also does not explain how come the fourth book was sent to an Arabian and not a Jew. It is another faulty synopsis of the Quran.
Prophet were sent to their people/nation/community and not countries. And not all were mentioned to the prophet.

“And Messengers We have mentioned to you before, and Messengers We have not mentioned to you”
[an-Nisa’ 4:164].

It is also well known that most of the civilisations that were established throughout history were in this area, which is known as the Mediterranean basin, and nearby, in Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Arabia. Hence the most populated areas were mostly in these lands. So it is very appropriate that most of the Messengers should have been sent to the people of these lands.

Islam is less bothered weather the messenger is Jewish, Japanese or Arab. In fact, all the prophets of God were all Muslims (e.g person who submit to the will of God). God would raise up messengers from anywhere he wishes to. And the people of those places are not any different from other people. They did not choose their messengers or prophets.

“Each one believes in Allaah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) ‘We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers’”
[al-Baqarah 2:136]

The covenants preceded the other and the inadequacy of each one led to the need for the other. Adam fell. Noah got drunk and cursed. Abraham's offsprings became slaves in Egypt. Moses did not enter the Promised land. David's offsprings lost the kingdom. It is the imperfections of the human bearers of these covenants and their generations that led to the need for the other.
Did the Bible say that the inadequacy of each one led to the need for the other? Please return with the verse that says or suggests so.

But in Islam, the messengers are imperfect but their messages were flawless, because it was from God. No need for update or override. But they were humans who made mistakes.

“The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded”
[al-Maa’idah 5:75]

“Their messengers said to them, We are only men like you, but Allah confers favor upon whom He wills of His servants. It has never been for us to bring you evidence except by permission of Allah. And upon Allah let the believers rely”
[Ibraaheem 14:11]

“Say, O [Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allah”
[Fussilat 41:6].

It is interesting you say the Quran was not tampered with. How? It was not written by Muhammad himself who got the revelations but by a third party, years after his death, who also ensured some "uncomfortable" manuscripts were burned.

So it is not factual to say with full certainty that it was not tampered with.
Muhammad could not read or write, but he could speak. When he gets the revelations, his scribes that could write, write them down.
Those variant were burnt to canonized the Quran.

According to Islamic tradition, the process of canonization ended under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan (r. 23/644–35/655), about twenty years after the death of Muhammad in 650 CE, though date is not exact because it was not recorded by early Arab annalists.
Cook, The Koran, 2000: p.119

By the time of Uthman's caliphate, there was a perceived need for clarification of Qur'an reading. The Caliphate had grown considerably, expanding into Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Iran, bringing into Islam's fold many new converts from various cultures with varying degrees of isolation.
Al-Tabari (1989). Ihsan Abbas; C. E. Bosworth; Jacob Lassner; Franz Rosenthal; Ehsan Yar-Shater (eds.). The History of al-Tabari: The Conquest of Iraq, Southwestern Persia, and Egypt. Gautier H. A. Juynboll (trans.). Albany, NY: State University of New York Press. pp. 2–6. ISBN 0-88706-876-6.

These converts spoke a variety of languages but were not well learned in Arabic, and so Uthman felt it was important to standardize the written text of the Quran into one specific Arabic dialect. Another reason for compiling the Quran was that many Muslims who had memorized the Quran in its entirety (huffaz) were dying, especially in battle.
Sahih al-Bukhari 7191 - Judgments (Ahkaam) - كتاب الأحكام - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)". sunnah.com. Retrieved 13 April 2021.

When the task was finished Uthman kept one copy in Medina and sent others to Kufa, Baṣra, Damascus, and, according to some accounts, Mecca, and ordered that all other variant copies of the Quran be destroyed

Travel › Re: Why Is No One Talking About This In Nigeria by olasesi(m): 1:35pm On Aug 25, 2022

ednut1:
go to ilupeju there are thousands of indians, go to ph and lagos there are many whites there. Nigerians are not even among the top 10 emigrants in the world. People like you want them to stay in Nigeria and suffer with you ba lol

I don't think this is a smart calculation. You should get the population of those countries and ratio it with this one for you to appreciate the mass exodus. The Population of India is in billion. Other countries on that list also have large population.

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Travel › Re: Why Is No One Talking About This In Nigeria by olasesi(m): 1:18pm On Aug 25, 2022

Tunjibalogun:
I mean families are being separated daily due to economic migration from Nigeria to overseas because the country isn't working.

They're many lonely wives separated from their husbands who work abroad

Brothers are separated from their brothers and sisters because they've gone to seek for greener pastures

Some parents haven't seen their children for years because they've gone for greener pastures

You don't see Americans, British or Dutch people separating from their families just to work in Africa.

Why is everything the opposite for Africans.

Funny a thing the black Africans count it as an achievement to migrate to a white man's country and abandoning his own root to rot away.

Was the black man created on a sunny day?

Help me solve this puzzle

The funny thing is that they don't become rich there. They are just average. Not many of them can own a house. They can't even afford to pay to bring their family all together for holidays in Nigeria. Very rich people here don't go there to live there. They go and come back home. You can't be rich in another man's land. You can't be richer than the natives. It's an algorithm that was designed to be so.

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Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 6:13am On Jul 03, 2022

Ojuntana:
Here's where the synopsis of the Quran becomes faulty especially if with are to go with your inquisition.

You ask why God will send a man of God to earth without a message? That's an interesting question. But first, who is a man of God? Remember that your Quran lists the two sacred texts sent by God to man as Torah through Moses and Injeel through Jesus. We can then add Quran through Muhammad (SAW) for the sake of this argument. The next question by virtue of your statement is the name of the texts sent through Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph etc.

But that is assuming that the phrase "man of God" should only apply to these people. If we are to expand man of God to involve anyone sent by God with a message, then we will have to enquire why Oyedepo, Inyass, Zakzaky, Adeboye have not released their own sacred texts as well.

I don't know how exactly your Quran describes Abraham, but the Bible simply describes him as one chosen by God to embark on a pilgrimage, not as a prophet, but as a progenitor of a new nation God had chosen to be his own people. He was generally timid and tried as much as possible to stay away from trouble.

Same for Noah whom you mentioned. Biblically, God never sent him to preach to anyone. God only asked him to build an ark for him and his family, and then take two pairs of animals with him. Note that God had already made up his mind to destroy those people according to the scriptures so one wonders why he would send the person he wanted to save out of the lot to preach to them. He simply took it upon himself to preach to those people. It is interesting that unlike Jonah who the people of Nineveh (not his people actually. Nineveh is a city of the Syrians) listened to, the people of Noah's time refused his message, probably because he wasn't sent to them.

But I digress. The point I want you to note is that God walks with and works through people for his own purpose. Even you. I want to believe you accept that God has a purpose for creating you. If and when you become aware of that purpose, does that necessarily make you a prophet with a message? The man who fought for the abolition of slavery can be said to have fulfilled God's purpose for his life. Same with the man who created the smartphone don't you think.

Lastly, Biblically, there are five covenants generally regarded in the Bible. The Adamic, Noah, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic and lastly Jesus covenants. Each is believed to be a precursor to the other and if you read through the Bible, you can clearly see how each covenant fared and expanded until that of Jesus came. Jesus is the embodiment of all the covenants.

So again if only covenants determine prophethood, then it will be implicit that so many people we refer to as prophet will fail the prophet test. You can thus mention the people Adam, Noah, Abraham and Jacob preached to from the Quran. I'm interested in finding out and the texts they based their messages on. Also what happened to those messages that we no longer have them?

The men of God in this context are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph etc.
In Islam, the books are Quran(Muhammed), Torah(Moses), Zabur(David) and Injil(Jesus). So they are not just two or three.

And again it seems like we understand the word "message" or "preaching" people differently.
A message does not have to be a book. There are 4 books in Islam and there was no prophet that was not sent a message to preach to his people before they are destroyed. The Quran was revealed in 23 years and was compiled years after Muhammed died. We can't possibly say that he could not preach to the people without the Quran. Those who are given books have messages to preach and those who done have books have messages to preach too.
Those books are full revelation from God and they are not their words.

These are how they preached as reported in the Quran:
“And indeed We sent Noah unto his folk, and he said: ‘O’ my people! Worship Allah. You have no other god save Him. Will you not keep from evil?’ ” (Qur’an 23:23)
That was for Noah, He didn't have a scripture like others, but he was given a message and he preached it.

Do you commit immorality while you are seeing? Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly.” (Qur’an 27:54-55)
This is for Lut

10. “And when your Lord called out to Moses (saying): ‘Go to the unjust people,”
11. “The people of pharaoh; will they not fear (Allah)?’”
12. “Said (Moses): ‘O my Lord! Surely I fear that they will reject me?’” (Qur’an 26:10-12)
This is for Moses. He was given a book(scripture), but this is his preaching.

And that God already made up his mind to destroy them huh

That's why Islam appeals to me more.

Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner. Verse (35:24)

And We did not destroy any city except that it had warners
As a reminder; and never have We been unjust. Verse (26:208-209)

The destruction of the people of Noah isn't justified if they were not warned
In Islam, God can not just make up his mind to destroy a nation without warning them. Even as he knows that they wont believe, he would still warn them. He does not want to be cornered on the day of Judgment, and also not want to be justified in the eyes of all creatures.
Were you not warned?

And yes of course God can have a purpose for anyone, just that we wont put those purposes or those people in the same set as Jesus, Abraham, Adam, etc. The prophet "thing" is kind of exclusive. Those people are people God acknowledges in his book. God gave some of them scriptures, God gave some names himself e.g Jesus is the "word of God" according to the Quran, and Abraham, "friend of God", and God some great miracles, etc.

And on the covenants, if Muslims had the bible, chances are there that such concept will only be found in books by scholars and not generally be accepted. Most wont even know about it and some will notice the pattern but it wont amount to anything. You know why? It's because it's just something that is noticed and not explicit. Did those Prophets say that their coming are in covenants? If so did they say one covenant overrides the other? Did Jesus say that he is the embodiments of all other one? Please note that I am not taking Paul as a prophet. Why would we even section it based on covenants? Why would we even believe that one is a precursor to the other when none of them said so. We would prefer what is explicit and not discovered or inferred. We would just take those words as they are. We would bother about what Jesus, Abraham, Adam, Moses, etc said just as it is. Because their messages are meant to be direct and straight. No covenant based sectioning except explicitly said. It may only be inferred but not made the core.

And those who are not given books amongst the prophets are given a message to preach. In Islam, they are majorly as warners of an impending doom. And on the same path and on the same message. One confirming what the previous has said before.

And on those books? some are lost and some not original again. Only the Quran is complete and as not been tampered with.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 2:59pm On Jul 01, 2022

RightChanneI:
Why is the devil slaughtering your people when stoning the same devil at your hajj

Definition of slaughter
1: the act of killing
specifically : the butchering of livestock for market
2: killing of great numbers of human beings (as in battle or a massacre) : CARNAGE
merriam-webster

Now let's replace slaughter with killing.
Why is the devil killing your people when stoning the same devil at your hajj?

In Islam, the devil does not kill. He does not have the ability to do so. He cant kill people.
The Angel of death is another creature made by God. His only mission is to take life. He does not dissuade or lie like the devil.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 1:25pm On Jul 01, 2022

RightChanneI:
The word "slaughtering" that I used is the one giving you headache. You want me to use the word sacrifice but you failed to consult your dictionary on the meaning of sacrifice.

Sacrifice is an act of slaughtering an animal or person or surrendering a possession as an offering to a deity.

Why can't allah be merciful to you by not allowing the devil slaughtering you when stoning sheytan as he repel the devil from slaughtering Ishmael.

Many cases were reported in the past in which the devil you're stoning slaughtered many of your Muslim's fellowers.

In 2004, A stampede during the ritual stoning of pillars symbolising the devil left 244 worshippers trampled to death, why is allah not merciful to you here?

The 2006 Hajj stampede or crush resulted in the deaths of 363 pilgrims on 12 January 2006 during the Hajj in Mecca. See how the devil slaughtered many of your brothers and sisters in Islam

On 24 September 2015, a crush and stampede led to the death of over 2,000 individuals, many of whom were suffocated or crushed during the annual Hajj pilgrimage in Mina, Mecca, Saudi Arabia, making it the deadliest Hajj disaster in history. Why is allah watching the devil slaughtering you people?

On July 3, 1990 A stampede was also recorded in which more than 1,400 of your people were slaughtered by the devil. The devil you're stoning is the one slaughtering you, sorry about that

Not a smart talk bro.
So it's the devil that kills people?

The angel of death does.
If devil and the angel of death is the same in your belief, then no problem.
They are different and have different names in Islam.

People die everyday.

It's not devil or Satan that kills them.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 1:03pm On Jul 01, 2022

Ojuntana:
I think you have confused message with lessons.
For example, there's no record of Abraham preaching to anyone in the real sense. He was more a timid pilgrim who simply minded his business.
Same goes for Moses. Moses never preached to pharaoh nor to the children of Israel. He was an Emancipator not a preacher in the real sense of having a message for his people.
So what I'm pointing out if what can be inferred from their lives not message they "preached".
Jesus actually prescribed singleness. He saw it as the ultimate. And he did condemn polygamy and divorce. For divorce is what births polygamy, a need to have a substitute when one is removed.

No bro, I didn't use "lessons", I used "message". I was interested in what those men of God preached to their people and the message sent to them by God. The core of that message they preached.

And again, this is one of the reasons while Islam appeals to me. God won't send a man of God to the earth without a message that he would preach to his people. He would preach it and send them warnings for their disobedience. Allah will always send the same central message to the messengers, different times but same source, and each messenger confirming the messages that has come before it. And it shocked me to discover that Moses did not preach to Pharaoh. Noah also did not preach to his people of the flood that would come. Only his close relative were warned. Likewise, the people of Lot were not preached to or warned. They were just destroyed.

We Muslims however don't believe no people were not preached to by their messengers. The Bible not recording that does not mean they were not preached to. After all, Jonah was sent to warn his people of the punishment and they repented. That has always been the pattern of God in the Quran. Messengers are sent, they preach the message and warning, and those who disbelieved are destroyed. This messages has the same core as it was coming from the same source. The inference from their lives are just as important as the message they preached.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 10:55am On Jul 01, 2022

RightChanneI:
So dictionary is more detailed than your quran and hadith right?

The stoning of the devil at the Islamic pilgrimage refers to Ibraham’s attempt to repel the devil from slaughtering his son Ishmael. Ibraham threw seven stones in the same place where the pilgrims do nowadays.

Back to the question, why can't allah be merciful to you by not allowing the devil slaughtering you when stoning the devil as he repel the devil from slaughtering Ishmael when his father Ibrahim was stoning the same devil?

I think you are clear with the spiritualism aspects of the discussion? allah is not a spirit and that is why you're serving him while half naked

We may not last for too long on this as you don't seem to understand clear statements.
Now look at this statement

That particular rite co-occurs with Eid al-Adha, the Muslim festival commemorating Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son and God’s mercy in sparing him.
The 10th day of the month of Dhū al-Ḥijjah, the start of the festival, hajj pilgrims each throw seven small stones at Jamrat al-ʿAqabah—one of three stone walls (jamrahs) located in the valley of Minā—which is identified by tradition as the site where the patriarch Abraham stoned Satan for attempting to dissuade him from carrying out God’s commandment. On the remaining days of the festival—the 11th, 12th, and 13th of the month—the ritual is repeated at all three jamrahs; each is pelted with seven stones every noon for the three days.

This relative to yours below is a confusion.

why can't allah be merciful to you by not allowing the devil slaughtering you when stoning the devil as he repel the devil from slaughtering Ishmael when his father Ibrahim was stoning the same devil?

Now I take it one by one:
why can't allah be merciful to you by not allowing the devil slaughtering you when stoning the devil

Now I ask, did the devil slaughter anyone? did he even attempt to slaughter? did he slaughter Abraham, his son or those performing the ritual?
How did the devil slaughter us while we stone the devil?. It was Abraham that wanted to slaughter his son and not the devil doing so, so I dont know where you got the idea of the devil slaughtering anyone from.

...as he repel the devil from slaughtering Ishmael when his father Ibrahim was stoning the same devil?

Same confusion.
Abraham was to slaughter his own son and not the devil slaughtering anyone. Abraham threw stones to chase the devil away.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 2:47am On Jul 01, 2022

RightChanneI:
"That particular rite co-occurs with Eid al-Adha, the Muslim festival commemorating Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son and God’s mercy in sparing him.

The above is what I've been expecting from you to say and thank God you are there.

The question now is that why can't allah be merciful to you by now allowing devil slaughtering you when stoning the devil as he repel the devil from slaughtering Ishmael when his father Ibrahim was stoning the same devil?

On the spiritualism, my Bible says God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

Had it been your allah is spirit, you shouldn't be serving him while half naked to the extent of bowing down for an ordinary stone you called kaaba

You may still have to visit that dictionary again. Check "tradition" and "commemoration". And you will understand that no one or the devil is slaughtering us, or the devil is repelling it or us, etc. Abraham wanted to slaughter his child, the devil tried to dissuade him and he started throwing stones at the devil . We do this tradition in his commemoration.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 2:15am On Jul 01, 2022

Ojuntana:
Your assumption is wrong.
God did not give his "prophets" the same message.
To Adam, he gave the message of obedience
To Abraham, he gave the message of sacrifice
To Moses, he gave the message of service
To Jesus he gave the message of salvation.
Deut 29:29says The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.”
So God has a lot of secrets. He reveals to us what he wills out of the abundance of his knowledge. And there's no end to his knowledge.
God did not condemn polygamy does not mean he approved of it. That's why Jesus came and instituted monogamy.
So read your Bible well. Jesus instituted monogamy.

Perhaps you confused my use of the word, "message". I meant in this instant, "What they (the men of God) preached to people. Their core message". Abraham couldn't have possibly preached sacrifice before he was commanded to sacrifice his son. Yes we may see a message of sacrifice or obedience in that action. Likewise, Jesus Christ, couldn't possibly have preached salvation ( by his death and resurrection ) while he was still alive. Salvation is seen his death, but the core message or summary of what he preached was
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…[and y]ou shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Mt 22:37–39 ESV.".
And of Moses too, the core of his preaching was to worship God only.

And on monogamy by Jesus, this is what I found. "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Mark 10:9). And this appears to confirm it for monogamy. It is also easy to assume that a man to a woman is what is being portrayed here. It however did not explicitly forbid polygamy in the context of "no one should separate a union that has been joined together". Getting another wife is not only what puts them asunder. Or at least we can't assume that. Other third party may not want the union to be joined too. But looking at that time, more chances are there that the verse means one man to one woman only.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 11:12pm On Jun 30, 2022*

RightChanneI:
Spiritual you say! You are very wrong

What is spiritual in stoning the devil while half naked?

That is not the symbolic significance behind it. Say something else

I thought something not seen is spiritual. You want them to see the devil?

Oh the universal rule says that you can not be spiritual while you are half naked? Please give me reference to that rule or book that says so, I want to read more about it.

We also want to learn more from you. so please tell us that which is spiritual and tell us the parameters you used in determining what is "spiritual".

And also my dictionary here says that a rite is "a religious or other solemn ceremony or act". What does your own dictionary say?

And on the symbolic significance?

"That particular rite co-occurs with Eid al-Adha, the Muslim festival commemorating Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son and God’s mercy in sparing him. On the 10th day of the month of Dhū al-Ḥijjah, the start of the festival, hajj pilgrims each throw seven small stones at Jamrat al-ʿAqabah—one of three stone walls (jamrahs) located in the valley of Minā—which is identified by tradition as the site where the patriarch Abraham stoned Satan for attempting to dissuade him from carrying out God’s commandment. On the remaining days of the festival—the 11th, 12th, and 13th of the month—the ritual is repeated at all three jamrahs; each is pelted with seven stones every noon for the three days." (britannica)

It is for commemoration. Cool?

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 9:56pm On Jun 30, 2022

Ojuntana:
I guess those are Christians to you abi.
Since you follow David, Solomon and Jacob, I suggest you embrace Judaism fully instead of being a Muslim and copying from Judaism!!

Very weak point this is.

I want to assume that God sent his prophets to people with the same message. And that their God is one, and they should do righteous deeds.
God didn't change his message and he also didn't condemn his prophets for polygamy. Christians are people who follow Christ ( with the same message of other men of God sent by God ). In fact if you are to beheld to it, you should not be married.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 9:27pm On Jun 30, 2022

Jamesbiodun:
RIP ma'am, she use her 3 million buy death...
Some people mentality is to die in mecca because it's a holy place...
There are a lot of terrorist there too, so people living in mecca are automatically going to heaven... All of u are m*ad

"There are a lot of terrorist there too"
Yeah, and that's why we often hear of terrorist attacks there.

Don't worry bro, I will always help you. Just to tarnish it right? I will always help you.

Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 9:11pm On Jun 30, 2022

RightChanneI:
Let's start from here, what is the symbolic significance behind stoning the devil at Hajj?

It's a spiritual rite in Hajj. You know what a rite is right?

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Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 9:09pm On Jun 30, 2022

SIMONEKPA7:
Suffering and smiling. Increasing the economy of the Arabs in the name of Pilgrims. Who do Africa this kind thing?

Insignificant. People who travel to other countries also increase the economy of that countries too. Yea you missed that, because it's Islam this time. Perhaps our country should also do well too. It's not Hajj that is stopping it.

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Islam › Re: Nigerian Pilgrim, Aisha Ahmed, Dies In Saudi Arabia (Photos) by olasesi(m): 8:55pm On Jun 30, 2022

SOFTSKILL:
Only ignoramus and religious bigots like you and your likes believe that

Tell us that which is not impossible if you believe in heaven?

Politics › Re: MURIC Condemns The Murder Of Deborah Samuel. Warns Against Insulting Prophets by olasesi(m): 1:46pm On May 14, 2022

milliondollas:
THE TRUTH IS THE MUSLIM PROPHET WHEN PUT ON A SPOT LIGHT DOES NOT FIT INTO WHAT HE CLAIM TO BE, AS A PROPHET HE MARRIED AN UNDER AGE GIRL, 2 HIS FIRST WIFE WAS A RICH WIDOW FAR OLDER THAN HIM, IN THIS MODERN WORLD IT IS CALL SUGAR MUMMY, 3 AS A PROPHET HE SAID GOD PERMIT HIM TO MARRY AS MANY WIFE AS HE WISH, BUT THE Faithfull ARE TO MARRY NOT MORE THAN 4. THIS ARE JUST FEW OF HIS PROFILE, WHEN YOU PUT PROPHET MUHAMMAD ON SPOT LIGHT IT OFTEN PORTRAYED THE FOLLOWERS AS FOOLISH PEOPLE FOR BELIEVING SUCH A PERSON AS A BELOVED PROPHET OF GOD , BECAUSE OF THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY ONE TO LOOK HIM UP OR TALK ABOUT HIM, JUST VENERATE HIM, DON'T TALK , DON'T ASK QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW TRUTH IS PAINFUL, IT HURT, DON'T TALK ABOUT THEIR PROPHET.

Hello sir. I am responding to you because you spoke well devoid of insults. Commenting on Nairaland isn't something I do often but I want to respond to this.
1. HE MARRIED AN UNDERAGE.
We all consider this underage now in this era or at least Nigeria. In Egypt, its 21. Here in Nigeria its 18. So I ask, who is correct and on what basis is one correct and the other wrong. Did you know that people at that time didn't consider it underage? People gave Aisha (R.A) to the prophet. They didn't consider it underage. Research your own culture and people and find out what age people married 1400 years ago. I am sure it won't be 18 because education wouldn't so girls marry at much younger age. There was no reason to wait till that older age. And again sir, would you have found anything wrong with that if you lived at that time? According to the Catholic, Mary was married to Joseph when she was 13. If you don't belief the Catholic, what age would you think it would have been? 18 years? 2000 years ago?

2. HIS FIRST WIFE WAS A RICH WIDOW OLDER THAN HIM.
It was that widow that proposed marriage to him and not him that came to her. They were married and had kids. And I don't think marrying someone older he was older than wouldn't have made him less a prophet. He didn't marry anyone else except after her death.

3. MARRYING FOUR WOMEN
I don't understand what you meant here. But we all are aware that many men of God had more than one wife in the Bible. And God didn't stop them not to.

And theses are the truth Muslims know and it doesn't not hurt them. I always urge others to research themselves to know the truth and not depend on hearsays, etc. Thank you sir.

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Education › Re: Abdulmalik Tanko: School Proprietor Who Killed 5-year-old Hanifa Abubakar Pleads by olasesi(m): 8:03pm On Jan 22, 2022

careytommy37:
Muslims generally don't value life

Yeah, it doesn't happen in other part of the country.

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Phones › Re: How I Was Almost Killed By Lightening While Charging My Phone!! by olasesi(m): 12:25am On Nov 04, 2021

I have experienced it before. And I should also say that I am a graduate of electronic and electrical engineering.
This is our it went. My sister was charging her phone and was using her phone. I was charging too but I was using a hands free listening to music. Lighting struck and our inverter outside was hit. Let me let you know that for every 1000 rain, one lighting comes close to the ground level. That is why there have been cases where antennas were struck and electronics connected to it were damaged.
And the occurrence of that is slim per each rain.

She felt the shock on her phone and I was very dizzy for that while. Light went off also in that instance because we were on inverter supply before. The inverter was destroyed.

I only felt dizzy because I was connected through the hands free.
She felt the shock because she was holding her phone.
Our phones were both fine because the inverter was hit by the lightning and that fraction of the high voltage electricity from the lightning was enough to damage the inverter and thereby cutting off electricity to the phones plug socket.

Jobs/Vacancies › Re: Ever Gotten A Job Through Facebook Jobs by olasesi(m): 2:20pm On Jul 16, 2021

I got one through it. It was legit but had to leave after 5 months. There are scam vacancies too there

Islam › Re: Sultan Of Sokoto Announces Commencement Of Ramadan 1442AH - 2021 by olasesi(m): 9:37pm On Apr 12, 2021

CyynthiaKiss:
Isaq Akintola nko ?

Yes he can too. Anyone can.
It won't just be as official as that of the sultan.

Anyone can sight the moon.

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Islam › Re: Sultan Of Sokoto Announces Commencement Of Ramadan 1442AH - 2021 by olasesi(m): 9:25pm On Apr 12, 2021

CyynthiaKiss:
Must it be Sultan ?

Can't we have someone that can do that here in SW ?

Anyways, Alhamdulilah

It's intangible. Why should we be too aware of our geopolitical zones in issues like these.

I guess soon it would be, "can't we have someone that can do that here in our state"?

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Health › Re: COVID-19 Update For December 11 2020 In Nigeria by olasesi(m): 12:14am On Dec 12, 2020

It's starting to increase.

Programming › Re: Programming Learning Challenge June. by olasesi(m): 8:47pm On Jun 04, 2020

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Food › Re: The Monkey I Killed Early This Morning by olasesi(m): 9:50pm On May 15, 2020

Nigerians though......smh

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Webmasters › Minimum Budget And Best Medium To Advertise A Website To Start Getting Yields by olasesi(op): 10:56pm On Dec 14, 2019

Hello everyone,
I own a website where anyone can own an e-shop in it. It is like an ecommerce consisting of smaller ones for free.

This is what I want, believe, think, know, hope for and wish for.

I want an advertising agency/individual that has a minimum budget to make the website running through ad and still make people visit even when the advertisement stops.

I believe value sustains a website and not continuous ad. For example Facebook, Nairaland, etc. We go there because we get something from it i.e value.

I think the best medium for advertising it is through the Television and next, the internet.

I know TV is best to advertise it.

I hope I can find someone who can explain, disagree or suggest what is good for me as per the best budget, medium, or agency.

I wish I can also get web developer like me to join hands with. The website is on already and he is not the one to sponsor. Just more technical hands. I don code tire.

Thanks

Sports › Re: #ineverexperredit: Divine Oduduru Graduates From Texas Tech University (photos) by olasesi(m): 3:05pm On Dec 10, 2019

"I worked for it and I got it"

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