₦airaland Forum

Surah 26
Ash-Shu'arah
The-Poets

truthman2012:
I notice muslims don't forgive anyone that offends them because allahh permits retaliation.

There isn't a clear mark between a muslim and a xtian as it regards forgiveness of wrongdoing or number of retaliations. There are more nominal xtians and muslims than are practising xtians and muslims, and on this, their individuality determine their forgivingness. Most muslims don't practicalized the Quran and have not programmed their lives to the verses

truthman2012:
[Quran16:126] And if you take your turn, then RETALIATE with the like of that with which you were afflicted; but if you are patient, it will certainly be best for those who are patient.

There isn't any wrong in this verse except that the OP just wanted to cry wolf. Infact, this is one of the just, workable and reasonable laws since humanity. Perhaps, the OP missed that forcing an agrieved person not to demand justice eventhough he is entitled to is injustice itself; just as forcing him to. No wonder no country does otherwise. They didn't even have to take it from the quran;it's intuitive. It should however be noted that the quran encourages that forgiving is better

truthman2012:
The law of RETALIATION is in the Law of Moses but had been repealed by Jesus. He enjoined us to forgive one another:

Mat. 6:15
But if you do not forgive others
their sins, your Father will not
forgive your sins.

The Laws of Moses weren't to be abolished.

Mat.5:17-20
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

unless there are other explanations to this

truthman2012:
Reintroduction of retaliation by allahh is a subtle way of taking mankind to hellfire. Jesus said if you do not sow forgiveness, you cannot reap forgiveness. If God doesn't forgive you because you do not forgive, hellfire is your place.

The demand for justice is a way to balance and check the ways of humans. Xtianity only wish there was a way. We should then attempt to become better advanced humans on this concept we wish we were not into. We should understand that justice is not the opposite of love

truthman2012:
Fables !! Laughing !!!

Allahh stated in no ambiguos term that Muhammad couldn't perform miracles.

Muhammad was asked to perform miracle: Quran17: 90
They say: "We shall not believe in
thee, until thou cause a spring to
gush forth for us from the earth.

Allahh said no, Muhammad couldn't perform any miracles because he was an ordinary man, a messenger:

[Quran. 17: 93]
Say: "Glory to my Lord! Am I
aught but a man,- a
messenger?"

Despite these clear quranic statements, islamists still went ahead to fabricate miracles for Muhammad. If Muhammad actually did miracles, allahh must be lying that he could not or islamists lying that he could. Who is lying?

...so Moses, Jesus and other prophets that worked wonders were superhumans

And they say, "We will not believe you until you break open for us from the ground a spring. (90)
Or [until] you have a garden of palm tress and grapes and make rivers gush forth within them in force [and abundance] (91)
Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring Allah and the angels before [us] (92)
Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?" (93)
Al-Isra 17:90-93 [Sahih International]

And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning. (59)
Al-Isra 17:59 [Sahih International]

And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe. (109)
Al-An'am 7:109 [Sahih International]

The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]. (1)
Al-Qamar 54:1 [Sahih International]

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 208:
Narrated by Anas bin Malik
The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain.
He also told me that this is confirmed in the Quran

And they say, "Why is a sign not sent down to him from his Lord?" So say, "The unseen is only for Allah [to administer], so wait; indeed, I am with you among those who wait." (20)
Yunus 10:20 [sahih International]

And they say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "Indeed, Allah is Able to send down a sign, but most of them do not know." (37)
Al-Anam 6:37 [Sahih International]

And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. (49)
Al-Imran 3:49 [Sahih International]

... Summary
All miracles were by God's permission and timing (e.g Moses didn't even know the miracle he will be given. The time or space neither)

Miracles were not default to the prophets (e.g Moses didn't choose the miracles by himself)

They could'nt perform ALL or ANY miracle(e.g Moses couldn't even heal his tongue of the impediment except by God and likewise, Jesus couldnt create multiple gods by his will or anything that crossed his mind )

Muhammed has clearly performed miracles before.

MUHAMMAD PERFORMED MIRACLES

Miracles of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad are a number of supernatural occurrences, which according to Islamic tradition were made by Muhammad during his lifetime. These miracles are shown either in the Qur'an or, in the vast majority of cases, in the hadith (traditions of Muhammad). Muhammad's miracles encompass a broad range, such as the multiplication of food, manifestation of water, hidden knowledge, prophesies, healing, punishment, and power over nature.[1]

According to historian Denis Gril, the Qur'an does not overtly describe Muhammad performing miracles, and the supreme miracle of Muhammad is finally identified with the Qur'an itself.[2]

However, several miracles are reported in the Quran and miracles "appear early and often in the hadith"[3]

and the hadiths are indispensable in elucidating Muhammad's miracles.
[4]

LIST OF MIRACLES

Quran - considered by Muslims to be Muhammad's greatest miracle[5][6][7]

and a miracle for all times, unlike the miracles of other prophets, which were confined to being witnessed in their own lifetimes.[8]

Splitting of the moon

Isra and Mi'raj (Night Journey)

On several occasions he provided food and water supernaturally.[12]

He comforted a palm tree that was crying and upset after he stopped leaning on it during his sermons.[12]

He caused two trees to move at his command.[12]

Prophecies made by him.

His migration from Mecca to Medina.[13]

He quenched the thirst of thousands of
his soldiers during the Battle of Tabouk and enabled them to use water for ablution after causing water to pour forth.[14]

He caused a well to swell with water during the event of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, enabling his followers with him to drink and use the water for ablution.[14]

He threw a handful of dust at some of the enemy during the Battle of Badr, causing them to be blinded. This miracle is mentioned in the Quran, Sura Al-Anfal, Verse 17 (8:17).[14]

When the Jews of Medina claimed that the hereafter belonged to them alone, a Quranic verse was revealed (2:94) saying "Then wish for death. if you are speaking the truth." Muhammad said they would not be able to wish for death and his statement was proven correct, despite the Jews eagerness to disprove the reality of his Prophethood. This challenge was repeated in another Quranic verse (62:6-7) and again was never met by the Jews.[14][15]

He told his companion, Uthman, that a calamity would befall him, which would be followed with his entering paradise; this eventuated during Uthman's Caliphate.[14]

He told his companion, Ammar ibn Yasir, that the unjust party would kill him; this eventuated during the First Fitna.[14]

He said that God would make peace between two large Muslim groups through his grandson Hasan ibn Ali; this eventuated with the Hasan–Muawiya treaty.[14]

He said that a man who was apparently fighting for the Muslim cause would actually be of the people of Hell; this was proven when the man committed suicide in order to remove his suffering following a wound in battle.[14]

He said that he would kill one of the enemies of the Muslims, Ubay ibn Khalaf, which he achieved at the Battle of Uhud.[16]

Before the Battle of Badr, he showed exactly where each of the enemy chiefs would be killed; they all died in the exact locations stated.[16]

He said that a part of his nation would raid by sea; this eventuated with the establishment of Muslim naval power under the Caliphate.[16]

He said that his daughter Fatimah would be the first of his family to die after him; which eventuated.[16]

He told his wives that the most charitable one among them would be the first to die after him; this eventuated with the death of Zaynab bint Jahsh.[16]

He caused Abdullah ibn Masud to convert to Islam after he made a barren ewe, which produced no milk, to produce milk.[16]

He spit into Ali's sick eye, during the Battle of Khaybar, and it became healthy.[1]

His companions would hear the food before him praising God.[1]

He caused it to rain during a drought in Medina.[17]

REFERENCES
1^ a b c Kenneth L. Woodward (10 Jul 2001). The Book of Miracles: The Meaning of the Miracle Stories in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam (reprint ed.). Simon & Schuster. p. 189. ISBN 9780743200295.

2^ Denis Gril, Miracles, Encyclopedia of the Qur'an

3^ F. E. Peters (13 Oct 2010). Jesus and Muhammad: Parallel Tracks, Parallel Lives. Oxford University Press. p. 205. ISBN 9780199780044.

4^ Kenneth L. Woodward (10 Jul 2001). The Book of Miracles: The Meaning of the Miracle Stories in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam (reprint ed.). Simon & Schuster. p. 183. ISBN 9780743200295.

5^ Ibrāhīm, Zaynab; Aydelott, Sabiha T.; Kassabgy, Nagwa, eds. (1 Jan 2000). Diversity in Language: Contrastive Studies in Arabic and English Theoretical and Applied Linguistics (illustrated ed.). American Univ in Cairo Press. p. 31. ISBN 9789774245787.

6^ David Whitten Smith; Elizabeth Geraldine Burr (21 Aug 2014). Understanding World Religions: A Road Map for Justice and Peace (2 ed.). Rowman & Littlefield. p. 142. ISBN 9781442226449.

7^ Brown, Brian Arthur, ed. (1 Jan 2014). Three Testaments: Torah, Gospel, and Quran (illustrated, reprint ed.). Rowman & Littlefield. p. 403. ISBN 9781442214934.

8^ Edward Sell (5 Nov 2013). The Faith of Islam. Routledge. p. 218. ISBN 9781136391699.

12^ a b c Leaman, Oliver, ed. (2006). The Qur'an: An Encyclopedia (illustrated, reprint, annotated ed.). Taylor & Francis. p. 423. ISBN 9780415326391.

13^ F. E. Peters (13 Oct 2010). Jesus and Muhammad: Parallel Tracks, Parallel Lives. Oxford University Press. p. 153. ISBN 9780199781379.

14^ a b c d e f g h Kenneth L. Woodward (10 Jul 2001). The Book of Miracles: The Meaning of the Miracle Stories in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam (reprint ed.). Simon & Schuster. p. 186. ISBN 9780743200295.

15^ Sarah Stroumsa (1 Jan 1999). Freethinkers of Medieval
Islam: Ibn Al-Rawāndī, Abū Bakr Al-Rāzī and Their Impact on Islamic Thought. BRILL. pp. 51–2, 57. ISBN 9789004113749.

16^ a b c d e f Kenneth L. Woodward (10 Jul 2001). The Book of Miracles: The Meaning of the Miracle Stories in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam (reprint ed.). Simon & Schuster. p. 188. ISBN 9780743200295.

17^ Kenneth L. Woodward (10 Jul 2001). The Book of Miracles: The Meaning of the Miracle Stories in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam (reprint ed.). Simon & Schuster. pp. 197–8. ISBN 9780743200295.

lexicot:
When I saw the word "seizure" on front page I couldn't help to comment. I am also passing through the whole ordeal of one that's epileptic. mine is nocturnal epilepsy(meaning it happens when I'm asleep or half asleep), but it is one of the most dangerous.

My story is long.. But I want anyone reading this to encourage anyone passing through it. I am very close to Jesus (not ashamed to cry it loud) and that as helped me alot.. I finally got the required drugs for me and I have been seizure free for 1 year.

Talk about suicide, talk about depression, I passed through all of this for close 10 years.
I am young and very good looking and brilliant, that you won't have an idea that I pass through this. It almost terminated my life but thank God.

Please it is not infectious. I got mine from an head injury when I was much younger.

Op, God bless you for helping that fellow. My drugs is on the high side but thank God for his provision. Would have typed more but I have to run to bible study.

God bless

As God made you totally free of it, so shall he make me too.
I have been on carbamazipine(tegretol) for 1 year now. I will be weaned in 2 years. I just can't wait.
Mine was from a head injury too, a motor accident.

I had a traumatic brain injury (tbi)(motor accident) before and consequently, seizures. A take my drugs as prescribed by my neuorosurgeon and I hope to be weaned off in 2 years. One year is passed already, and as it is, I don't notice the seizures anymore, so much that I sometimes don't know if it's a seizure or just normal body movement . I have had episodes of it so I know it. Sometimes I notice an aura, but I don't fall, shake or become unconscious. It has been controlled. Seizures after head injury are rare. But head injury is common. Making seizures after head injury underlying common. It's just unfortunate that there are too many uninformed people in Nigeria. Even as technology broadens. One can only enlighten and hope that Nigerians will one day become "advanced humans".

Nollywood should also send good messages to people and consult professionals in their movies. Bad movies have really done a lot. The Yoruba chapter is worrisome.

People with seizures or epilepsy need our supports and care.

NB: seizures are actually attempts by the brain to repare itself.

plappville:
More light please, how old was Aisha when Muhammad (SBUH) Died?

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

9+9=18 years

According to ibn hisham it was consummated when she was 10.

19 years then.

Annunaki:
You mean I should bury my brain and just take mohamed's word for it despite the overwhelming evidence in the quoran and hadiths that he was an evil criminal

I didn't say "take muhammad's words for it", I just wish the debate was scholarly.

...Backed up by references

Because not everybody thinks that he was a criminal.

Annunaki:
It still beats my imagination why anybody will accept such a vile character who was not only a armed robber but an extortionist as a prophet. But it's now clear to me were boko haram and isis get their inspiration from and it's clearly the pathetic individual who is islam's best example.

I wish you and your colleagues were scholarly.

HE DIDN'T DIE OF POISON

A few months after the farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and suffered for several days with fever, head pain, and weakness.[193]

He died on Monday, 8 June 632, in Medina, at the age of 62 or 63, in the house of his wife Aisha.[195]

References:
193 An Introduction to the Quran II (1895), p.279

195 The Last Prophet, page 3. By Lewis Lord of U.S. News & World Report. 7 April 2008.

Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/ or /ˈɑːlə/;[1] Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh, literally "the God".[2][3][4]

The word has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.[5][6]

It is used mainly by Muslims to refer to God in Islam,[7] but it has also been used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times.[8]

It is written as ܐܠܗܐ (ʼĔlāhā) in Biblical Aramaic and ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ (ʼAlâhâ) in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God".[17]

Pre-Islamic Christians, Jews and the monotheistic Arabs called Hanifs used the name Allah and the terms 'Bismillah', 'in the name of Allah' to refer to their supreme deity in Arabic stone inscriptions centuries before Islam.[29]

According to Böwering, in contrast with pre-Islamic Arabian polytheism, God in Islam does not have associates and companions, nor is there any kinship between God and jinn.[30]

According to Francis Edwards Peters, "The Qur’ān insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews (29:46). The Qur’an's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[22]

The Aramaic word for "God" in the language of Assyrian Christians is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[5]

The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for "God" than "Allah".[21]

(Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for "God".) Arab Christians, for example, use the terms Allāh al-ab (الله الأب) for God the Father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) for God the Son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) for God the Holy Spirit. (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God.)

According to Marshall Hodgson, it seems that in the pre-Islamic times, some Arab Christians made pilgrimage to the Kaaba, a pagan temple at that time, honoring Allah there as God the Creator.[39]

Some archaeological excavation quests have led to the discovery of ancient pre-Islamic inscriptions and tombs made by Arabic-speaking Christians in the ruins of a church at Umm el-Jimal in Northern Jordan, which contained references to Allah as the proper name of God, and some of the graves contained names such as "Abd Allah" which means "the servant/slave of Allah".[40][41][42]
The name Allah can be found countless times in the reports and the lists of names of Christian martyrs in South Arabia, as reported by antique Syriac documents of the names of those martyrs from the era of the Himyarite and Aksumite kingdoms.[8][43]

In pre-Islamic Gospels, the name used for God was "Allah", as evidenced by some discovered Arabic versions of the New Testament written by Arab Christians during the pre-Islamic era in Northern and Southern Arabia.[47][48][49]

Pre-Islamic Arab Christians have been reported to have raised the battle cry "Ya La Ibad Allah" (O slaves of Allah) to invoke each other into battle.[50]

"Allah" was also mentioned in pre-Islamic Christian poems by some Ghassanid and Tanukhid poets in Syria and Northern Arabia.[51][52][53]

References:
1 "Allah". Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.

2 "God". Islam: Empire of Faith. PBS. Archived from the original on 2014-03-27. Retrieved 18 December 2010.

3 "Islam and Christianity", Encyclopedia of Christianity (2001): Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews also refer to God as Allāh.

4 L. Gardet. "Allah". Encyclopaedia of Islam Online.

5 Columbia Encyclopedia, Allah

6 Brown, Francis; Driver, S.R.; Briggs, Charles. A. Hebrew and English Lexicon. Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendricksen. p. 41, entry 410 1.b. ISBN 9781565632066.

7 Merriam-Webster. "Allah". Merriam-Webster. Archived from the original on 2014-04-20. Retrieved 25 February 2012.

8 Rick Brown, Who was 'Allah' before Islam? Evidence that the term 'Allah' originated with Jewish and Christian Arabs (2007), page 8.

17 The Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon – Entry for ʼlh Archived October 18, 2013 at the Wayback Machine

21 Lewis, Bernard; Holt, P. M.; Holt, Peter R.; Lambton, Ann Katherine Swynford (1977). The Cambridge history of Islam. Cambridge, Eng: University Press. p. 32. ISBN 978-0-521-29135-4.

22 F.E. Peters, Islam, p.4, Princeton University Press, 2003

29 Hitti, Philip Khouri (2002-09-06). History of the Arabs. Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan. p. 800. ISBN 9780333631423.

30 Böwering, Gerhard, God and His Attributes, Encyclopaedia of the Qurʼān, Brill, 2007.

39 Marshall G. S. Hodgson, The Venture of Islam: Conscience and History in a World Civilization, University of Chicago Press, p. 156

40 James Bellamy, "Two Pre-Islamic Arabic Inscriptions Revised: Jabal Ramm and Umm al-Jimal", Journal of the American Oriental Society, 108/3 (1988)

41 Enno Littmann, Arabic Inscriptions (Leiden, 1949)

42 Rick Brown, Who is "Allah" ? - International Journal of Frontier Missions, (23:2 Summer 2006), page 80.

43 Ignatius Ya`qub III, The Arab Himyarite Martyrs in the Syriac Documents (1966), Pages: 9-65-66-89

45 Adolf Grohmann, Arabische Paläographie II: Das Schriftwesen und die Lapidarschrift (1971), Wien: Hermann Böhlaus Nochfolger, Page: 6-8

46 Beatrice Gruendler, The Development of the Arabic Scripts: From the Nabatean Era to the First Islamic Century according to Dated Texts (1993), Atlanta: Scholars Press, Page:

47 Rick Brown, Who was 'Allah' before Islam? Evidence that the term 'Allah' originated with Jewish and Christian Arabs (2007), page 10.

48 Frederick Winnett V, Allah before Islam-The Moslem World (1938), Pages: 239–248

49 Michael Macdonald, Personal Names in the Nabataean Realm-Journal Of Semitic Studies (1999), Page: 271

50 Irfan Shahîd, Byzantium and the Arabs in the Fourth Century, Dumbarton Oaks Trustees for Harvard University-Washington DC, page 418.

51 Irfan Shahîd, Byzantium and the Arabs in the Fourth Century, Dumbarton Oaks Trustees for Harvard University-Washington DC, Page: 452

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53 Al-Marzubani, Mu'jam Ash-Shu'araa, Page: 302

Nonetheless a cute family

Ok that's fine.

But why do some people frown at it?

It's just a legal age and it's different for different jurisdiction.

Or do you hate that some countries or jurisdictions don't be like yours?

A girl 17 years and 364 days old is a minor and is not fit to be married by law, but do you think she will only be fit for marriage and on exactly the next day?

Naaa

Is 18 not just her legal age to be marriageable?

Couldn't it have been 16 or 21 as it is done in egypt?

Is it not recently that we know or hear of "child bride", "pedophile" ,"minor", etc ?

Has it been for about 50 years?

In France before the french revolution, the marriageable age was 12 for girls and other countries have theirs in that range too.

Yeah, all countries were "modernize" and "civilized" in their own time too.

They most have had something "in their head" to have thought that 12 was cool.

And on 18 years palava, did we not just agree to it because most countries agreed to it?

Ok if you had all parameters at your disposal, would you choose 18 independent of others choices.

Did you know that if it had been 17, most Nigerians wouldn't still hate it. They were never at the table when it is asked and their opinion was never sought for.

Did you know that 146 countries's state or customary law allows girls younger than 18 to marry with the consent of parents or other authorities?

Wow!!! That much?. They must be very uncivilized. *winks*

In 52 countries, girls under age 15 can marry with parental consent.

May be it's different for religions, customs and countries anyway

In contrast, 18 is the legal age for marriage without consent among males in 180 countries.

In 105 countries, boys can marry with the consent of a parent or a pertinent authority.

In 23 countries, boys under age 15 can marry with parental consent.

In summary, it's based on different customs

I was not paid for this and minors are not my thing

I don suffer!!!....................... mobilization nko?....................dey don dey count am for me for house ooo. The number of years.

Yeah, I knew it too. It was easy.

So that blind people can use it. The same goes for computers

Yes........I have been heart broken before, and I cried

emmyskies: goddess abi?? No wonder they are making progress as such. The devil is truely the ruler of this world. Big names, big countries, fame and so on. Brethrens, forget the vanities in this world. Turn to GOD, so we can together inherit our portion in GOD'S kingdom prepared for us. Righteousness and holiness in christ will take us there. JESUS CHRIST is the saviour. GOD bless you all.

It's reasoning like this that has kept us behind
....pathetically, your post received '5 likes' as at this writting...

Nigeria-South Africa relations refers to the current and historical relationship between Nigeria and South Africa. Both countries are former British colonies. Both countries are members of the Commonwealth of Nations and African Union.

According to a 2013 BBC World Service Poll, 63% of Nigerians view South Africa's influence positively, with 24% expressing a negative view.

Apartheid era
During the apartheid era in South Africa, Nigeria was one of the foremost supporters of Black South African liberation movements, including the African National Congress; the Nigerian government issued more than 300 passports to South Africans seeking to travel abroad. Sonny Okosun, a Nigerian musician, wrote the hit song "Fire in Soweto" in 1977 to commemorate the 1976 Soweto uprising against white-rule in South Africa.

Post-apartheid
Following the end of apartheid in 1994, South African businesses sought for professionals to immigrate and a large number of Nigerians did so. It is estimated that there were 24,000 Nigerians living in South Africa in 2011.

Much of South Africa's good will towards Nigerians for supporting the country's liberation movements during apartheid has disappeared due to the activities of Nigerian criminals in the country. Nigerian orgaised crime groups, mostly involved in illegal drug trafficking, in South Africa grew rapidly between 1994 to 1998.

Increasing competition between the two countries for positions at multilateral organisations is also thought to have worsened relations. Nigeria acted against South Africa to replace the incumbent Jean Ping, who Nigeria supports, with South African Home Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma for the powerful position of the African Union Commission chairperson. Relations further deteriorated when South Africa backed incumbent president Laurent Gbagbo for control of Côte d’Ivoire in 2011. However after Dlamini-Zuma won the election Nigeria’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador Olugbenga Ashiru stated that although Nigeria supported Ping for the position of AU chairperson in "a position which was principled along with our ECOWAS members and we stood by it. But as usual, people can insinuate that once Nigeria was not in the camp of South Africa, it means that Nigeria is against South Africa. We are not against South Africa".

Human Rights Criticism
The Mandela-led ANC had been seeking to help resolve the political crisis in Nigeria since 1993 following the annulment of the Nigerian elections in June 1993. In June 1994 Nigeria's military ruler, General Sani Abacha arrested and sentenced for execution 40 political opponents including former Nigerian head of state Olusegun Obasanjo as well as Chief Moshood Abiola. Mandela sent Archbishop Desmond Tutu and then Deputy President Thabo Mbeki on successive missions to Nigeria to lobby for the release of Obasanjo, Abiola and nine others.

Right up until the Commonwelth Summit in 1995 Mandela was misled by Abacha into believing that there would be a stay of execution. However, one of South Africa's first experiments with quiet diplomacy failed when in November 1995 Abacha moved ahead with the execution of the nine Ogoni leaders including Ken Saro-Wiwa. After which South African president Mandela then publicly criticised General Abacha for human rights abuses and personally pushed for a two-year suspension of Nigeria's membership in the Commonwealth of Nations. Mandela also criticised Royal Dutch Shell for going a head with a US$4 billion gas project in Nigeria despite its unpopularity within Nigeria and the rest of the world.

This led to South Africa being isolated in Africa amid accusations that it was:

“ "[M]anipulated" into taking up an anti-Nigerian position by "the forces of British and American imperialism".”
Within a month South Africa started back tracking in an attempt to patch up its relationship with other African nations; and in an attempt to regain regional prestige amongst other African governments at the expense of its international prestige. On 29 March 1995 Wole Soyinka, leader of an exiled Nigerian democratic movement, attempted to hold a conference in South Africa. The South African government responded by refusing to grant any visas to Nigerian democrats for six weeks prior to the conference. South Africa's ruling political party, the ANC, called for the conference to be cancelled.

The Nigerian debacle forced South Africa into a new foreign policy approach. Leading the country to abandon a 'go it alone' policy and into a policy that sought to build partnerships with fellow African states through regional and continental bodies. It also made South Africa reluctant to engage in any confrontation with any other African states.

Visa restrictions and expulsions
Relations between the two countries were damaged in 2012 when 125 Nigerian travellers to South Africa were expelled due to not having valid Yellow Fever certificates. In retaliation Nigeria expelled 56 South African business people. This prompted the two countries to enter into discussions around easing travel and visa restrictions between the two countries as a means of enhancing bilateral relations and trade.

Trade and investment
In November 2009, South Africa hosted the South Africa-Nigeria Bi-National Commission in Pretoria. At the conference, it was noted that Oando, an energy conglomerate based in Lagos had recently been listed on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange and the Nigeria-based Dangote Group had invested a record $378 million in South Africa's cement industry. In 2008, approximately $2.1 billion was traded between the two states. By 2012 total bilateral trade had increased to $3.6 billion.

In 2012 83% of trade was taken up by South African imports of Nigerian crude oil. Between 2002 and 2012 South African imports from Nigeria have increased by 750% (mostly increases in oil imports) whilst Nigerian imports from South Africa have increased by 130%.The Nigeria - South Africa Chamber of Commerce serves to improve and facilitate bi-lateral trade relationships between Nigeria and South Africa. Its offices are in Lagos, Nigeria and it has in its membership 315 companies currently trading in both Nigeria and South Africa. It is made up of blue-chip companies, Nigerian companies and South African companies.

Nigerian business people have expressed concern over the pace and perceived rapid expansion of South African business interests in the country.

source:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria%E2%80%93South_Africa_relations

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That's strange oooooo

Hmmmm..
Strike continues, OAU resumes december 8, I resume january next year.
MORAL: "we're all in a world of our own"
#GBAM

"Brrr"
Oh no!!!.....it says "three different"....ok, still thinking

...You can shoot yourself twice in the head....
...Yeah, with a cork and shoot gun

The 24 hour competition started several hours back and is coming to an end. The NL programming section hasn't been too aware of it.
To the members, past competitors, aspirants, followers and the general community of programmers....
Let's have how it's going, ur past experiences, problems and why u think open competitions and programming don't receive too much hands from the Nigerian youths.

[quote author=Okija_juju]O Snaps....








They have taken their Jihad into space.. Now where are we gonna go when we die?! [/quote]Oh I see
You go to space when u die...

.....Hmmmm nice...
How did he have his ablution...**wondering**.....hmmmm
Glob of water droplets everywhere

Yes of course.......in this "perceivably different" situation of ours in Nigeria....

Deekaydadon: FIRSTly, I want TO dedicate this COMMENT to God, my daddy, my mummy, my brother and my sisters, my friends, my pastor in the Church and also not forgetting MTN for not messing up today.

Hmmmmm wondering if we all have the same descerning instinct of when to be "funny" and when not to..

...And in ur attempt to be "trendy"....u just "lost it"....
U dedicated a "RIP to d dead " statement to ur parents, siblings and friends.

Yeah, and u expect that I read all this?......*bursts into tears*

Dubby6: Rubish

...Exactly why africa is always "behind..
How could you call such a wonderful study "rubish"?
Pathetically, you got "likes" too.

Well, I really can't say if this is possible...true there are no scientific evidences or facts to hold that, it may also be 'dangerous' to completely discredit the stories of the many people who claim this...what are the chances that few of the stories are true?....I'm not saying it's true because most people believe it...most people believe the earth was flat too...and most people were wrong....but u sure should agree that it's worthy of a 'look into'...
But one thing is clear...."It's dubious"
This claim and similar ones have always failed the "indirect test", simple questions thrown at them....Let's begin.
If the rain can be 'held', why (to be continued)