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Kendzyma: 24 and 30 respectively...am 48 now still lukin for admission...Gods time iz d best..hope still dey

There are is always hope.

I finished primary school at age 9, secondary at age 15.

thrash

mogentle: Need a dictionary?

Bro, we are not brawling.

who knows her?

rckdude: @olugbenga,
Like I said earlier, I do not know about engineering and u will notice that my comments were selective and directed at management courses.

Let them keep shouting that they are better than us. We including them know that a B.sc holder has always had the upper hand. All their whining here will not change it. I still maintain that HND should upgrade their certificate, work up the corporate ladder and change things. Their incessant whining here would not change the norm.

Thread is already getting boring.

Thanks for this. I'm unfollowing the thread soon.

How did i miss this thread?

Sincere 9gerian oh

Pukkah, i salute your work here.


mukina2, Seun, FP abeg, this is truly comedy unlimited.

Pukkah is heartless.

anochuko01: if numbers of course offered is anything to go by, what then will you say of a school like AAUA that doesnt offer ANY engineering course let alone medcine and law?

Do you want me to start listing the worst set of polythenics?

thrash


Boring codes

rckdude: I know where I stand. I believe HND is equivalent to B.sc in Accounting. I have mingled and acquainted myself with both parties and I saw no intellectual imbalance. And if you ask around besides audit firms and banks, what employers want is an HND or B.sc in Accounting plus a professional certificate.

I agree this is true to an extent.

I know little about engineering where I think the champions for and against the issue on his thread are from.

But there are no professional exams in Accounting (ICAN, CITN, ACCA and CIMA) where a B.sc holder gets a better exemption than and HND holder. They both start from the same level.
Accounting deals more in practical where you will actually prepare financial statements, management accounts, prepare taxable profits and tax returns. Although in my final year we did business policy ( to prepare us for managerial positions) which I am not sure polytechnics do.

In conclusion, if an organisation were to engage me as an Accountant, whatever I can do as a B.sc holder I expect an HND holder to be able to discharge the same responsibility as an Accountant.

Now, you are being objective. I think it dffers in profession etc.

A recognized professional body, ICAN gives both degree holders the same preference and we agree both degrees are equal in that respect, right?



Now we have recognized engineering bodies or in institutions, NSE & COREN giving special or higher preference to University Engineering graduates over HND holders. Now would the HND folks agree with this one?


It's the same reason most of the HND holders on this thread, claim to have Bsc certificates in addition.


This shameful act, hypocrisy is what i can't stand.

Happy birthday K2039

lemme send you my account no

GEJ lost my vote a long time ago

rckdude: Well maybe there are no official statistics, but inferences are drawn from tutorial centres where polytechnic student perform better.
As regards quiz competition, yabatech never took first position in all 3 I experienced, but they were 2nd once and the others they came 3rd. Only unilag and OAU faired better. The contestants from unilag where mostly OND holders who were also PE students, some where even chartered. The funny thing is for NUASA quiz completion, unilag will not put the best students (based on CGPA) in the dpt to represent, you have to be an ICAN or ACCA student (and most of them already had their ONDs). I also think Ife does the same thing too.

You would notice i left this debate for a while now. The same sentiments potrayed on this thread is what i can't put up with. Some folks don't even know where they stand, others can't comprehend what they want exactly.

This is coming from both sides, but i would address the one i'm most opposed to. As i said earlier, The major i've problem with HND folks is the way they go about proving their equality or, their certificates equivalence with that of Bsc holders. You don't belittle one entity, just to uplift yours. This is exactly their bane of engagement. It explains the negative and popular circulated opinions of Bsc holders being not exposed to praticals, halfbaked, less intelligent than HND holders etc.

They also err a lot when they try using foreign tendencies to justify their equality, leaving out the things that should be said to explain that, stating only what favours them in the argument.

Now, we know all these are over rated lies, half truths and hear-says. People choose what they wana believe, they hear what they wana hear.

If i go on engaging some statements here, they would be swift to label me a HND hater.

They should come with clean hands first.


BTW, i'm still open to decent debates.

kennytidistar: YES, A Professor is the leading expert in a certain area in a University. and is only a champion or elder in a family that received chieftain title. yes ke. but no matter How your Prof chop winch reach, e no go earn past PhD. ALL na wash

zebra: He told u guys he was a given a direct MS in the US with his HND, and u're asking him of PGD. He meant that he didn't have to do a PGD.

Hear him yourself. He stated Profs and Phd holders earn the same pay again, called professorship just a title in the university system.


How do you expect us to take him seriously or even his word?

rckdude: Here is my point. I get pretty upset when some dude with a certificate from an obscure african country comes around and some employers just feel he should be better than us here cos he is "foreign". That how HND graduate also feel when employers just feel B.sc is better than HND without even giving them a chance. I hope you get my point and how it relates to this issue?

Yea bro. I understand you perfectly now.i hardly debate issues revolving about equivalence, but my grievance on this thread is not even the equality they propose if you notice from my posts.

It's coming from claims by HND chaps, that they being better than Bsc holders and they are discriminated. I take no pleasure in denigrating any individual's degree or level of education but i do take serious offence when mine is on the heat, especially being demystified falsely.


I don't endorse unrealistic approaches to employment either and do hope the standard of various educational institutions are improved. We can discuss such issues here, but reaching a prevalent compromise seems almost impossible.

Oga Dayokanu, wetin do your post?

who commot am?

Op, goodluck.

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kennytidistar: and So? who told you there no Dr in polytechnic? is Prof not just a chieftain academic title? do you want to earn more than PhD? let start thinking above our cap!!

Prof is just a chieftain academic title?

Bro, your colleagues would cry for you.

Od31: Na wah for una oh, so even with the fact that mentioned that my HND was evaluated to be equivalent to Bsc, u still asked that question. So what was the point evaulating my HND? So to spell it out. My HND was evaluated b4 I was admitted for the masters programe. You must have read also in this forum that in the US, HND is evaluated to be equivalent to BSC.

Do you know PGD Post Graduate Diploma is?

Run from this thread, while you still have the chance.

rckdude: I was expecting this predictable answer. So are you telling me graduates from ghana, togo, ugandan, angola and the likes are better than us here? some employers just get carried away with a non nigerian certificate. They don't care where it is from, are we that bad?

PS: I agree with you that non african graduates are better equipped and trained than us here.

Sorry, i should have said Europe or western trained graduates explicitly.

Btw, i still don't get your point.

cashkid18: its their oil money,so let her spend it hw ever she liks.

I hope you would prefer the devil to waste your life this way?

I smell something

*following

Tolexander: She should thank her star she wasn't caught in Malaysia!

Yea. Thank God. God bless the woman.

This is why atheists insult religious folks.

Davo93: Hmmm... I am kinda con fused now. Thanks Okija. So which of the Dell Laptops will you recommend with the above features and not too expensive.

I'm afraid Okija_juju is right considering his first hand experience. Hp has the most negative reports. Some folks believe this is because it's the most populat brand in Nigeria.Though, there are cases and widely believed opinions which are over rated, Hp standard had fallen drastically over the years, this i agree with.


However, you might be lucky to get one of their decent products, varies for model too.


Dell for less risk, i think.

Davo93: GOD bless you sir! I think i will be opting for one of those Pavillion series you suggested.

Amen. God bless you too sir.

Soyedele1: Did you do Masters with your HND?

You would notice he fled after this question.

rckdude: Hey pls no name calling. Let's have a civil debate here. You don't know about the accounting discipline, if u do, u will know that Nigeria just adopted ifrs as a standard for financial reporting but ican and acca had incorporated it in their syllabus for a while now. The competent lecturers we have on ifrs are mostly ican tutors who are mostly yabatech lecturers. I never said unilag accounting doesn't have competent lecturers, I only made reference to Group Account and ifrs. Which as ridiculous as it may sound, we do not have and not many schools have it.

Bro, you have grave reading problems and comprehension issues.
You see why i referred you to you as a clown. I earlier stated that i'm not a novice though i'm not in the field, and you are trying to score cheap points with that.


I know of ICAN tutors/organisations, PYE, WYSE etc and i know those who lecture there exactly. I've a sibling who is chartered, so i know exactly what i'm talking about here. Stop trying to inject false conjectures to create a disparity involving the focus of this discussion.


I only refuted your earlier claim and you are yet to disprove my accusation, so what are you on about?


That only Yabatech has competent lecturers on IFRS?

I don't intend disgracing you here. Make your points clear, if valid.