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CAMNEWTON4PRES: so Biram Diouf ain't fulani?

He might be Fula by culture as you can see his first name is typically Fula of Senegambia. m
In that region , Guinea and even Mali there is a LOT of intermarriages, depending on who your mother is, where your family has settled, you can change ethnic groups. After all, ethnicity is a social construct. Once your culture is Fula is one of your parents is, you are Fula/

CAMNEWTON4PRES: thank you, how about Diouf?

Diouf is Serer. El Hadji Diouf of Senegal is Fulani though, I remember in 2012 or 2013 he came to Guinea and mentioned it. He said that his real last name is Diallo but he carries Diouf as his star name because in Senegal they lived in a Diouf household( maison commune if you speak French).

Fulaman198: I thought that Toumani is Mande? Hamadi is from Hamid so it has Arab origin.

All the other ones I agree with. What about Sy? That's what a Serer name or Wolof name?

Sy is a wolof name. I know Hamadi sounds Hamid but just like Toumani they are names of preIslamic era.
Toumani is mostly born by Wasulu Fula, due to their proximity with the Mande, the latter bear it too but it's an Fula name.
Sy, Ly, are both Fula, I had forgotten about them. Also Souare, which is originally Diakanke, but now thousands of Fula people in Guinea carry it without knowing that their ancestor is Diakanke.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: both if you don't mind

Biram,
Sadio,
Hamadi,
Toumani,
Pellel,
Pathe,
Yero,
Saara
Malal
Penda,
Ahidjo
Barkindo
Samba to name a few

Now last names Bah, Diallo, Barry, Sangare, Diakite, Sow, Sidibe with the Fulanis. The Tukulor group in Fouta Toure have Ka, Ba, Diallo, Sow, Thiam, Tall, Sall, Kane or Kann and other predominantly Wolof surnames like N'Diaye, Lo.
Today in Senegambia and Guinea it's becoming hard to pick Fulanis by last names. Toure, Camara, Sylla due to mixings and social contacts have turned into Fulani names in some places. Even in Mali, ATT the former president considered himself a Fulani.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: not really ...i didn't know fulani existed back then
so demba Ba is also fulani?

yep he is. He even mentioned how his parents forbade him from speaking French in the household. He only speak Pulaar.
Now he might be from Futa Toro who are considered Toucouleur. Your Mauritanian friend is probably from the valley of Senegal too
which is pretty much Futa Toro.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: i don' think y friend is fulani tho
can you give a top10 most famous fulani names?
not arabic

you mean first names or last names?

Fulaman198: @OmarBah, ada andi Yero Maama? Moy woni Yero Maama Galo?

Mi anda Yero Maama, ko honto woni sare mako?

CAMNEWTON4PRES: fulaman don't make me send you back to futa toro

btw i have a friend called oumar bah but i don't know if he is fulani he is from mauritania , is bah a fulani name?

of course it is. You've never asked him?

Bororojo: I have heard it numerous times.... it is beautiful. Some words are unfamiliar though
Thanks for posting it.

from youtube?

sure Fulaman, have you followed the link I posted? It has Islamic Poetry from 18 and 19 century Futa Jallon

Musi6e Jul6e, hino Yimre Ceerno6e Futa Jallon. Janngen faamen di Yimre, hidi wondi e nafa.
http://lesecritsislamiquesdufouta./

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Why would you assume that Ivory coast surpassed us Lmaoo or you believe we ain't progressing too ?
@ jiggaman.I don't have your time today , Ghana has a sinking economy and you have nothing to offer to us + your currency is weak and useless so shift front
Exactly we played like 2 or 3 games against ivorian and they are shouting rivalry

I'd be glad to have the GDP of Cote d'Ivoire for 2013 instead of 2009 as I posted. By the way, the African Development Bank just transferred their seat over to Abidjan from Tunis.
As of today, Ghana Cedi to Dollars=0.27 while CFA BEAC to dollars =0.002.
Like I said, when the time comes, the decision will be easy for your leaders. We'll welcome your beautiful country in our union.

@CAMNEWTON4PRES well there is no reason to argue about certain things like music or football because they are a matter of personal views. But knowing how Cameroonians like Eto'o, Song and Ivorians like Drogba and Yaya Toure make the important part of African players in Europe, I really doubt the rivalry is somewhere else. But like you said I am young, so I certainly "do not know". I humbly accept your position.

If you read my previous comments you'd realize that I clearly pointed out to Fulaman that we can have a Fulbe "nation" without a clear territory of our own, and a stronger ECOWAS could be our area that we will obviously share with our brothers. That's when I mentioned Cameroon and you guys took the conversation to whole another level. That too, let's leave aside in order to avoid spoiling this tread .

But I'd like to rectify a few errors on your part. Just because Ghana is having economic problems does not mean it is sinking. Their economy is of 103 billions with a currency that THEY, the Ghanaian people control. That of Cameroon according to estimates of the same year (2013) is of 53.162 billions USD with CFA piloted from Paris. Cote d'ivoire's GDP is 35.8 billion USD and that is an estimate of 2009 by now they are probably close or have surpassed Cameroon. Senegal is coming along. Guinea which has been trailing is also picking itself up. So you can't label as useless, economies . Let's even leave Nigeria out of the equation. If Nigerians achieve stability and good governance, nobody in Africa will even come close to them. With all this Boko Haram, political rivalry, they still make it to number one place and even Nigerians believe they can do far better. You might say you do not care about these "useless" countries but your leaders sure think otherwise.

Finally, Gbagbo, I mean why would you even bring religion into this hein? Did Henri Konan Bedie of the Baoule (Akan group) support him? Henri ain't no Muslim name I ever heard of, and as far as I know, Akan are vastly Christians. The war in Cote d'Ivoire has deep ties to economics and land. But I see you simplifying everything and basing it on religion. Gbagbo would not have survived had Guinea went against him. The man had rebels from Burkina , Mali and Liberia. He didn't receive trouble from Guinea. So labeling all West Africans as snakes is quite a stretch. Gbagbo simply made too many enemies that wanted his skin including his own people. And he was not the anti colonialist that people claim he was. He just wanted to hang on to power with the blessing of France while there were other forces in his country that had gathered more strength and momentum due to his Ivoirite policies.

Radoillo: Dang! I finally find material on Fulani history that seems to be comprehensive...and it's in French!

sorry, you can still find some books in English on the website though like the Fulani Empire of Sokoto
http://www.webpulaaku.net/defte/hasJohnston/ack.html
Don't know if you have read it before though.

@ BahPullo
Here is an ebook on webpulaaku. On this website, you can learn about the history of Fulbe throughout Africa including those in Senegal and Nigeria.
http://www.webfuuta.net/bibliotheque/btm/tome1/tdm.html

@BahPullo, since you have not replied yet, I'll just go ahead and name the nine Diwe( province) that formed Futa Jallon and the leaders of each at the creation of the Kingdom.

Timbo, the capital headed by Alfa Ibrahima Sambegu, the first Almamy of the Kingdom

Labe, the largest region which is present day Labe, Mali and Koumbia, headed by Alfa Mamadu Sellu known as Kamamoko Alfa Mo Labe

Timbi-Touni, Pita and Telimele, headed by Thierno Suleyman

Koin which is Tougue headed by Thierno Saliu Balla who is Thierno Suleyman's half brother.

Fougoumba, Alfa Mamadou Sadio

Kollade, Alfa Amadou

Kebali, headed by Alfa Musa who was the only "Sow" among the leaders.

Bhouria headed by Thierno Samba Bhouria who was at some point the Islamic Teacher of Afa Ibrahima Sambegu

Foudouye Hadji located east of Timbo was populated by Maninka, they had their own Chief but he remained attached to Timbo. Present day Dabola was part of this province. The town is populated today by Fulbe and Maninka with a dominance of Maninka's in terms of numbers.

10% of the population (don't know if it is accurate) is still an important number. Like I said I ECOWAS is to be stronger union, I would really like my Fulani brothers from Cameroon to be part of it.
I think the Lamido was threatening to leave because he wanted better treatment and respect. After all, Modibo Adamawa studied in Hausaland and his state responded to SOKOTO which happens to in modern day Nigeria.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: what mainstream culture?

are you trying to link colonial past with ethnicities or cultures? I am sure there are many cape verdian interested in what is happening in Angola it does not mean Angola is a west African country

we hate France , as long as there is something to say or do against them you will see Cameroonian there .

Ecowas is a basket of snakes and crabs nope thanks, we have seen how you all went against Ivory coast nope we are fine, as far I am concerned we should leave ECCASS too

I am certainly not basing myself off of colonialism. Cameroon, the French part that is, was part of French Equatorial Africa not the Western. So if colonialism was the only criteria you'd have a strong argument for staying where you are currently. But the Anglophone was part was not, that's still an important factor.
By mainstream culture I was referring Football, music, comedy, universities and politics where Cameroon and other French speaking French Africans tend to have a rivalry/friendly relations. Sometimes it is pushed to point where Cameroonians and Ivorians are called "freres ennemis" as a joke since they will collaborate with one another if their common interests are on the line.I've mentioned in previous comments how you tend to hang out more West Africans in Universities such as Moncton that many West African students attend.
My friend, needless to remind you that just like all of Francophone West Africa but Guinea, you use CFA as a currency. As long as it will be the case, you'll have to deal with France. Knowing how messed up the deal is for members , I am sure you and Cote d'Ivoire will be compelled to work together to regain monetary independence even though your CFA zones have different central banks. Unity behind that goal is the only way to end it.
Look , Gbagbo survived for 10 years under French diplomatic and sometimes military attack and under a rebellion. He did so not only because he was a clever politician but because he did receive some support from other presidents. It is in Guinea that he kept his helicopters when France was on the verse on destroying everything. But the same Gbagbo made a huge mistake by letting the UN certify the elections. Therefore he lost before the elections had begun. And do you know how much xenophobia there was during Gbagbo's rule?He alienated himself an important part of the population with his Ivoirite business. He might not have started it but his followers use it throughout his regime to fight who they considered foreigners. His death squadrons destroyed countless lives. He had made too many enemies.

For now Cameroon can trade with Nigeria but with a stronger ECOWAS(that's what we are dreaming out here lol) new terms will be imposed. I am sure Cameroon will make the best choice for her people. I mean come on, Nigeria(first economic power on the continent), Ghana, Senegal, Cote d'Ivoire and many other promising countries, it's a no-brainer . Instead of being in the same unions with Centrafrican Republic populated by savages, I am sorry but they are. Sorry Fulaman but what they did to Muslims there was unspeakable. No other term qualifies them but that.

Now am I denying your ties with Central Africa? Of course not, you've mentioned the Bantu groups. I know for a fact the Fangs would love to reconnect Ekang people. Maybe you can members of both Unions?

BahPulo: This thread has develop to a great learning place. My brother fulaman I see you guys have made a new friend from guinea. I am telling my dream of a united fulbhe seems to be making progress little by little lol. Keep posting guys I am learning .@ omarbah where in guinea are u from? Do you happen to have any info on the nine Almamys who founded the kingdom of foutah?? Thanks

In today's language I will say I am from Pita but in real Futa Jallon's term I am from Timbi Touni. As you know it was once of the Diwe (provinces) of the Theocratic Kingdom. Yes I do know a bit about the nine leaders who founded the Kingdom, what would like to know?
PS: the Almamy was the leader of all of the nine provinces, he was the Head of State.

Fulaman198: LOL I forgot that you have high standards for standards. Admittedly though, it does look poorly made. I have not made any attempts to buy his new album yet. What do you think of auto-tuned Fulani music? I prefer non-auto-tuned. I don't want to leave our bro OmarBah out of the equation.
My Fouta brother OmarBah, what do you think of auto-tuned Fulbe music?

I absolutely hate auto-tune. I prefer a borrowed beat from another culture than using it. To me it is an easy way for the musician to produce a melody. Either the musician works on his/her voice or produce quality music with instruments using his natural voice. With auto-tune I feel like a robot is singing to be sometimes.

Fulaman198: Oh ok, was there ever a hero in time that combined the name Sangaré Barry?

I've heard the name before but I do not know any story on such name. Why did you ask?

Fulaman198: OmarBah, moy woni "Sangare Barry"?

Diakite=Ba, Sangare= Barry, Sow=Sidibe. It was under Soundjata Keita that the Fulbe living in Hirnaage Afrika adopted the Surnames to conform with the society. Every last name in Manden society described back in those days a socioeconomic group. The Keita were the rulers, the Camara were blacksmith, the Kouyate were the Djeli or Historians so they were the counselors of the King etc... It is not exactly clear how these came to be but one thing is for sure, all fulbe belong to four tribes, the Ururbe (Ba, Diakite), Dialloube( Diallo), Ferrobe (Sow) and Dayebe( Barry, Sangare). Some say they are equivalent to the four cardinal points and each has different vertues.

For instance, Diallo's cardinal point is the East and corresponds to yellow, fluidity , air and wisdom. They are considered the "geniuses" of Fulbe. Throughout Hirnaage, shop keepers are known as "Diallo le boutiquier". The first secretary of the OAU( organization of African Unity) was Diallo Telly. Guinea's first deputy to the French parliament was a Diallo too.
The "Ba" , the warriors hail from the West which corresponds to the color red. Koli Tenguelle was a Yette Ba, just like the rest of his clan, the Yallalbe known for their warlike mentality. Souleymane Baal the leader of the Torodo revolution was a Ba too before changing his name to distance himself from the ruling class.
The "Sow" have the South as their cardinal point and is equivalent to the color black full of enigmas. They are considered guardians of the temple and are known for being religious. Lastly the Barry, known for being noble hail from the North, the white color and water. All the other groups of Fulbe are from these four. You'll notice that in Fula society in Hirnaage, Ba and Diallo are Sanaku or playmates (West and East) same thing for Sow and Barry.
For some reason the Fulbe of Wasulu do not carry Barry and Sow, they use Sangare and Sidibe for those. It might be that these two were subgroups of Barry and Sow in the past. I am not sure. I still have to figure that out.

Romanciella: heres my fulani besty

your besty looks good.
Is she from Nigeria? I see Hausa Fulani on the description.

why do you keep saying "sorry"? This is no big deal, you can remain in Central African Union, no problem. It's just that we would not disregard our ties with the Fulanis in North for that reason.

Here is a link to the article. It had another story with it too.
http://guineeactu.info/HTML/que-reste-t-il-du-pulaaku-.htm

Here is a story about Guelaajo Bayo also named Guelaajo Ham Bodeejo. The story highlights the three states of mind of a Pullo that arises depending on the situation.

So Guelaajo Ham Bodeejo, the great warrior accompanied by a troop of horsemen met a "Red" Fulani. Girded with three leather straps, carrying two spears and a kind of spear with foliated iron, the Pullo was herding his cattle.

"Here Guélaadjo said to his men, is a Fulani summarizing the three states of mind a man of our race. "
"How to go about if one would like these states of mind to manifest themselves asked one of the riders "

"Nothing is easier, said Guélaadjo. Let he who is not afraid of dying volunteer for the experience. Just go try to rob the Pullo of one of his bulls by force. "One presumptuous rider did not wait to be told twice. He fell directly upon the shepherd and said:

"Ahoy! Red ear! Pullo with a stick! Guelaadjo orders you to give me the bull for his horsemen!

"The bull, said the Pullo, was not born to Guélaadjo nor purchased by him. He is mine and, as such, inviolable. "

"Since you do not want to hear anything, 'said the warrior, here's how I would do it" and so saying, he rushes for the bull. But the Pullo, with an imprecation, started running behind him.

The rider, turning and seeing himself closely pressed and in range of the launch of the shepherd, wanted to ward off the blow, but too late. The first spear penetrates his hip and, the Pullo, brandishing his second spear exclaims:
"Be careful because the one you have in the ass is just a small warning. But this one is a burning pin, which will be welded to your body and saddle it with your horse, sending you to sleep at the dreary city with small sloping slabs. As for my spear, it will permit me to explain to Guelaajo how I deal with peasants of small caliber, even when they bring me his orders. "

The rider, failing, exhausted, joined almost lifeless the troupe of Guélaadjo.

"Behold, he said, here is one aspect of the Pullo's state of mind. Believe me, however big the the size of our troupe is, if the the Pullo is attacked, he will charge us as long as he can do it but he won't let us take his bull by force "

Guélaadjo, turning to the griot: "Join the Pullo, he said. Sings the praises of his brave race and wait for his response. "

The griot executed the order immediately. The Pullo was deeply moved, with every part of his body trembling. Transported, he forgets everything else and exclaims:

"Take the bull. I give him you, with nothing else to offer but my weapons as they are essential to settle my dispute with Guélaadjo since I just brought "down" his messenger.

The griot coming to Guélaadjo, said, "Strange! The Pullo graciously offered me the bull for whose sake he was ready to kill us all. "

This gesture, replied Guélaadjo illustrates the second aspect of the Pullo and is revealed when we can talk or do the right thing. "

"Now go back and propose to the Fulani, the commitment to carry your ox." Hesitantly, the griot objected: "Hey! Guélaadjo, how dare I make him such an insult? "

  "Go, and forget that it was he who gave you the animal" Coming back to the Fulani, the griot questioned; "Would you herd my bull to the village, for a fee? "

"Of course yes, why not? "

Amazed at such courage, generosity and servility succeeding without transition, the griot came back to Guélaadjo who added, "this is the third aspect of the Fulani mentality. But it shows itself off where there is need to . "

Alternately paladins, great lords with incredible magnificence and beggars, the Fulani are divided into three categories that have in common only the physical and language.

the Pullo of the stick -

the Pullo of the spear,

- And the Pullo of the book.

Understood to mean: the shepherds, warriors and sages.

Story from Amadou Ampathe Ba of Mali.

PS: sorry for the mistakes that I might have made. It is translated from French.

hey it's not ECOWAS really needs anything from Cameroon or vis versa. This post being about Fulanis, the only reason why
I mentioned Cameroon being in ECOWAS is because if the regional organization is to be stronger politically I'd like the Fulanis of Cameroon to be part of it.
Plus I mentioned main stream culture which French speaking Cameroonians share with others in West Africa like Ivorians. Plus when it comes to politics, whatever happens in West Africa greatly interest the political in Cameroon. I remember how enthusiastic some of them were in support for Gbagbo against the French. Cameroonians seem to have a "rivalry" with Ivorians when it comes to football and music.
Finally one can mention that the Northern Part of the country is inhabited by Sudanese and Fulani groups.

Fulaman198: You are too concerned about the well-being of your cattle lolll I am joking. I like Fouta Djallon as well, I love their music and how they have their own style with the Fulani flute.

funny I thought the same when I saw Adamawa's geography "I can get used to this, it's exactly like Futa"

Fulaman198: Bororojo before I go to sleep please listen to this song this is true pure Fulani music. The music of our forefathers, jam e kisal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vZtYS24kJk&

the farmers in Futa Jallon sing similar songs when working. The lyrics are different but the rhythm is the same. When the moon is full in the village, they often come out play and sing. Women create their own circle, sing together, clap. Despite the distance we have a lot in common. A Pullo will remain one.