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dr stone: Your Solution is far worse, Why dont you openly Say, You Want a FULANI STATE CREATED from all Over Nigeria? By the way that should be the Largest state, and i bet you, it wont stop there....they would ask for Nigeria to be Renamed FULANERIA. Are these guys even really Nigerian. The fact that they sacked the Hausa Rulers in Gobir and established a Caliphate doesnt mean every Fula Man is Nigerian....There ancestral homeland is in Sierra leon's Futa Jallon. Not every fulani man should have rights here as not every Yoruba speaking person is a Nigerian. We have the Yoruba in other countries as well. The Origins of the Nigerian system disorganisation has the fulani as its most cupable culprit. Their "born to rule ideology" has formed the Basis of Northern domination of Political affairs in this country these past 50years. Unfortunately, this domination were by Mediocres who form the cream of their Political intelligentsia[Tafawa,Shagari,Buhari,Murtala, Ramat, IBB, Abacha,Abdulsalami n Yaradua] and a few other Puppets[Gowon, OBJ as Military Head of State,& Ernest Shonekan]
What ever they fula people f***kin think as their believe about their Rights to other peoples land; does make the fact that it is completely illegal for them in consonant with todays Constitutional rights of Communities whose farmlands they happen to graze.
I can tell you one thing the fulani's really believe in.... BRUTE Force!!!.......the so called poster of this article is posting his article from the stand point of cultural superiority and dominance. UNFORTUNATELY, like all other 'PAST TENSES' or "HAS BEENS" of History........their time has passed. They have to Reform or Be Deformed.They should learn to humble themselves to their new status and the flow of Present Realities or else...They will be FORCED to Eat the HUMBLE PIE, shortly!!! Note: This is not an ADVICE.

First of all Futa Jallon is not in Sierra Leone, it's in Guinea. Second of all, you like to talk about the violence of Fulani but when they are victims of attacks or when their property, meaning the cows are stolen or slaughtered by others, you see people pop bottles of champagne. And when they retaliate, and Allah knows they always do, they are called brutal. If you want peace for everyone, you need to stop being bias. Give the same fair treatment to everyone.
With all the hatred towards them, don't be surprised that they are so attached to holding power. Because they know if you are the one ruling , they'd be deprived of their rights.

I personally think that Africa needs justice. Africans needs a good judicial system to make sure that
those in grief won't see their oppressors get away with whatever they do. We need to solve our internal
problems. One good example is Nigeria. Igbos tend to hold a grudge against this country and they are
angry at what happened during the civil war. With the lack of justice, people stop feeling loyal to their
homeland. We also need to work toward economic development and achieve great things. It is the only way
that the future generations won't feel inferior to others. We need to heal our past through education and
teach the truth about slavery and colonization so that the same mistakes won't happen again. I don't think
we are supposed to apologize to anyone.
Black people in the diaspora are NOT Africans, they don't feel like they are anyway. I don't feel guilty about
slavery at all. It wasn't done by all ethnic groups on the continent.

Beaf: The core-Northern elite have held the keys to this country for donkey years now, and it is only a break from their current elite that will completely free the country up for development. It might not be easy for ordinary eyes to see, but they own every thing that moves in Nigeria; from oil (80% of indegenious oil wells) to the CBN.

As soon as this class is defeated, their lackies across the terrain will fall like ten-pin's. They are the key.

Do they own it through the government?

Beaf: Exactly! Just look at what the Northern elite have done with 38 out of 51 years of power. Nigeria is a dump and the core-North is phucked with 10 million almajiri's.

The core-North desperately needs new leadership.

I agree. But its not the North only that needs it. This is a problem in many west African countries.
You have old folks such as this "Lawal Kaita" that incompetent but stick to power because they don't have
any other way to fatten their pockets. A change of the ruling class is a strong need.

Its ridiculous how certain people love power and when they get, they can't make anything useful
out of it. What is the end purpose of having power? Its to make life better. When you look at the
economic conditions in the North, its not it. They should revive their strategy and objective.
Power for the sake of having can never last.

[quote author=ekt_bear]This is one thing about Africa that I don't understand. There is this mentality since the 60s that anything western is bad, or that we should do things in an "African" way.

I suppose it is tied with colonialism, trying to show that you are your own person or whatever.

But...why not just do what is most effective rather than necessarily what you invented/came up with yourself?

Western education has led to excellent results for those who have adopted it. Why is there a pressing need to find something else?

Islamic/Arabic style education doesn't work for the modern world. Those countries don't invent anything and aren't competitive scientifically...tiny Singapore probably out-competes the entire middle east + North Africa (minus Iran and Israel) combined.

Reject ineffective techniques and embrace effective ones, imo.[/quote]What do you mean by Islamic style education?

wealthtrak: ^^^^^


I'm not surprised Uthman Danfodi was also a Tijaniya mystic
[he used amulets] and the history books also clearly show that
he made use of "non-muslim Bororo Fulanis" in the so-called
Jihad he procecuted. [/b]

Who told you that Bororo are from Guinea? You won't even find any of them there.
Bororo are only found in Niger, Nigeria, Cameroon and maybe Central African Republic.
Also you have to know that Dan Fodio did not come from Guinea. He is from Fuuta Toro which is
in Senegal-Mali-Mauritania. All Islamic Fulani scholar came from that region including the
ones in Guinea. They spread around West Africa to establish Islamic States and fought even
Fulanis that were non Muslims.
As for Tijaniya, it would be a blessing if their teachings were spread as opposed to the
Wahhabi's teachings which is very conservative.

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Beaf:
There is no limit to the fight for freedom. Those who wear the shoe know where it pinches (you might understand if you have ever turned on the tap only for oil to come out with a foul smell).

As for organising another SNC, when the Americans wrote their first constitution, it wasn't good enough so they wrote another just 6 years later (after 27 amendments).
It is never enough until you've got it right. Look where trying again has got the US.

I was talking about limits with respect to what you said about recognizing enemies.
Anyway, that is not the issue here. What worries about this SNC is what will happen if
they do not come to an agreement? The Americans only wanted to set up a better federal
government. In the case of Nigerians, they want to know how the oil will be shared. Maybe Sharia law
will be another issue but we'll see. But the main one remains "Oil". And when I see some comments, boy
its scary because some of these politicians might have more radical positions.  

Obiagu1:
So you mean to say that Nigeria is fine as she is now, right?

Nope, I really believe giving more power to the states will make this country better. Its not the
case right now. Corruption is a huge problem and its not only in Nigeria. The only way to get
rid of it is by reducing of the Fg. All of this can be done trough congress. Now if you believe in a
SNC , go ahead an do one, but it will fails. You already have different factions organizing, setting
up committees to protect their interests as if it was a war.

Beaf:
There is no need to kill anybody. They have the lowest population in Nigeria and it will be proven.

you already have one southerner in power, isn't it enough?

Beaf:
Lol!
Anyone who does not recognise my enemy is my enemy.
Very simple rule that never goes wrong.

But one that limits your options by boxing yourself into different situations. Its like "you are either
with me or against me". It doesn't always work like that.
Nobody that "cares enough" about the future of Nigeria would deny the necessity for change. But a SNC
will not solve those issues. You can go along and organize one but in the future more problems would arise
as it often does in any nation, will you organize another SNC?

Beaf:
Fortunately for me, he is more your friend and is recognised as my enemy. No country is built on the principles of cuckoo land and imaginary laws to reward indolence.

recognized by you?For the rest I agree but is it the case of Nigeria?

tedben:
How can u say that the need for a sovereign national congress is bullshit. Nigeria if u have a short memory was forced into existence because of oil;then palm oil later crude oil. we have not sat down to commune as a people about our existence. A SNC is not a declaration of separation. it is a platform  for all Nigerians to sit and plan the future of this country, If the FG is scared of a SNC then it means there is something amiss. Truth be told some people have benefited more from this lie we call Nigeria, without a SNC, this nation will be sitting on a keg of gun-powder,

Why not use the institutions in place? What tells you that this SNC will be able to solve the problems? Why Nigeria has a congress in the first
place if it is not to discuss these issues?

Beaf:
I know someone who grows laws on his guinea corn farm; his wife makes laws with kuli kuli and his cows invent laws every time they shyte.

Then your friend will come in handy.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=888860.msg10353260#msg10353260 date=1331167956]You will not get a penny of anything in the sea. If God wanted you to have it, he wouldn't have located you by the desert

And I say this out of no selfish sentiment. My own state is not coastal, after all.[/quote]You can still hope, the law is the law and it shall be respected. I completely agree when it concerns on shore drilling.
No speculation on that part, its all for the states where the drilling happens.

All this talk and yip yapping about breaking Nigeria is around the oil revenue. I mean let's be serious. There are laws
that govern Nigeria and they should be followed. The government does not have the right to redistribute the oil from
on-shore drilling  and this means apart from taxes, the Fg should not touch any of it.  The Northerners should not ask for it either.
And for the off shore drilling, it should be redistributed to the whole country since it is the territory of the Nigerian' government. And the Fg
is the only one that should determine how to do so.
Now certain people want it all. They want the Northerners to be completely deprived of any resource from oil drilling. If they had to decide
the North would not get 1 penny from oil just because they live close to the "Sahara".
There are laws, let's apply them. These conferences are all bullshit.

koruji:
A group of nations is only as strong as its strongest member(s).

It doesn't matter what political power you give ECOWAS as long as Nigeria remains a laughing stock of the world, so will West Africa.

This is a reality we and our West African brothers must face, and work to correct.

As Nigeria goes so does West Africa.

Maybe in order to expand , this is what Nigeria actually needs. I mean this country rely some much on oil while
it has the human capital to industrialize. It is true, it would not be powerful at first but as the economy grows as the power of ECOWAS.
The main thing is unifying the little strength each country has to realize something that will have an impact.

Do you think that a political union among members states can help? I mean having the same currency, same market, the same voice on
international affairs. This is only a simple form. Businesses in different states would probably have better opportunities to expand and this can create jobs.
What are your insights on this? And what you think West Africa needs to do to make its economy better.

Yujin:
So much for the fulanis, what about the hausas?

From what In know, Hausa moved from Nubia to install states in Northern Nigeria. And this way before Fulani came in the region. Their language is actually grouped as Afro-Asiatic while Fulfulde (Fulani native language) is grouped as Niger-Congo. The Hausa language is easier to speak compared to Fulfulde that is one of the reason why it is accepted by many Fulani living among them willingly adopt it even though they still identify themselves as Fulbe.

sbeezy8:
too add the Northern Ghanaian Muslims have been slaughtering fulani like chickens.

[size=13pt]Kokombas fight each other over Fulani property
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After killing and sacking Fulanis in Gushegu in the Northern Region, some Kokombas have turned the anger on each other fighting for the property left behind the fulanis.

Two communities- Jujong One and Jujong Two communities are fighting among each other and hastily amassing the wealth of the fulanis, Joy News' Tamale Correspondent Mahama Shaibu reported.

Last two weeks 13 Fulani herdsmen were killed and several others injured in a dawn attack in Gushegu which forced many of them to seek shelter and refuge at the Disabled Resource Centre, leaving their cattle and food stuff behind.

When the Fulani start retaliating, people will accuse them of barbarian acts. This is exactly why they are so violent in this part of Africa.

cheikh:
@pechhamboi
I think that the overall peaceful nature of other Nigerians have been construed as laziness or cowardice by the Fula and it raises the mystic of the so called brave fulani in the Nigerian sphere quite unlike other places where they are looked down on or even discriminated against.

This is a misconception. Many Nigerians believe that the peaceful nature of Hausa encouraged Fulani to take over Northern Nigeria. When the Fulani came to
Nigeria, many of them being Muslims, they were constantly attacked and discriminated against. Being generally skinny and looking physically inferior, they were taken for easy targets. Their cows were occasionally killed. Some of them had to flee Hausaland for their lives . The local administration also imposed heavy taxes on them. It is in this context that Usman Dan Fadio organized his fellow Fulani to conduct a Jiihaad that lasted many years. He himself did not fight, he only served as religious leader.
Now I have to say that the Jiihaad in Nigeria was not the first and only Jiihaad conducted by Fulani as it is believed by most Nigerians. The first one was Futa Toro in Senegal,Mali, Mauritania. They are the ones that facilitated the propagation of Islam in that region. The second one was in Futa Jaloon in Guinea. Both of them were Islamic Kingdom. The family of Usman Dan Fodio actually came from Futa Toro. Dan Fodio took example from these to establish an Islamic state.
You are right though to say in some countries they are discriminated by they are not looked down on. Other tribes usually blame them for feeling superiors to others and wanting to dominate all the time. For example in Senegal, many accused them of racism because they avoid intermarriages and want to have president as one of their own. In Guinea, they are accused of wanting to control the government after controlling the economy. They are also seen as crafty people that always look after their interests without caring for others.
But if you want to understand the violence of Fulani herdsmen you have to look upon their history. They have been beaten, killed, they saw their wealth being destroyed throughout history, not only in Nigeria but in all countries they reside. So they have developed this sense of disproportionate retaliation for even the slightest provocation.

So the Nigerian government is actually overwhelmed with these attacks. This is crazy.
Boko Haram has to stop these attacks. They are not supporting any religious cause because
this is not Islam. You do not go to Jihaad to die or kill innocent people. As far as I am
concerned, Muslims have the right to practice their religion anywhere on Nigerian soil.
Why kill all these people? Just because they are the resources to do so?

alj harem:
Yes o, Our people say " One na One day monkey go go market e no go fit come back" that is the issue with Nigeria now.

The people tired of promises and promises. People want to see change I mean at the end of the day we would all enjoy it together.

I am proud of Nigerians for this action. God bless Nigeria, God save the President

I would rather say, GOD guide the president. Making the right decisions will be crucial to resolve this crisis.

It is really admirable to see Nigerians stand against what they is unfair. I personally am optimist about Nigerian's future and about Africa's future. The new generation will be able to change things around. We only had our independence for only 50-60 years so there is no reason to be fatalistic about our situation.
Keep it up!!!!!!!!

As far as I am concerned, this does not mean that other financial institutions not operating under sharia law will be banned. So what is it with all the noise ? You will go to your regular banks and whoever wants to deal with Sharia Banking and financial institutions will go to them. It is that simple. if you make a big deal out of this, then it will create social tensions which you obviously do not want.

If this country gets divided, everyone will regret it. Endless conflicts will start. Who will resolve the questions of
oil profits?

Coward is not even enough to qualify those governors. A worthless group of people are bombing
buildings, killing citizens and to make them, they ask for negotiations. They are useless. How can
they even look at themselves in the mirror when they wake up.
Find those guys and put them behind bars. Nigeria should make a good example of Boko Haram.

ghostofsparta:
Regarding your analysis, do you seriously BELIEVE Nigeria would surely still work?

Yes I do believe it can work. This country have faced many problems including a bloody civil war.
But it is still standing. What is needed today is a responsible ruler who has to courage to take on hot
issues. If Boko Haram was being tracked efficiently by security forces, if the Oil spill was being taken care of,
if a Nigerian whether muslim or christian could practice his religion and anywhere without fear, would you still
ask for division? I do not think so. One day it will be the turn of young folks today to rule this country. Things should
be done differently.

ghostofsparta:
Answer this question:
1. Do you know anything about the rush/exploration/partitioning/conquest of Africa? (They even gave it the name 'Africa')
2. What makes you think it is out of reach, does U.S.S.R., U.K., ring any bell?
3. Which one of the following twos is the oldest and that has been existing thousands of years before?
a. Yoruba race and Nigeria
b. Igbo race and Nigeria
c. Calabar race and Nigeria
d. Ijaw race and Nigeria
4. Yeah you are right, those old guys are the problems, so should we just keep suffering and dying without doing anything AT ALL?

Each of the 3 countries that made up the whole of Britain are approximately 60 million all together and yet as individually separated as they are, each one of them isn't up to the whole of Igbos in terms of population which is approximately 40million or even the Yorubas. The British amalgamated us together doesn't mean we have to remain amalgamated forever. There are several nations that aren't up to a million or two. A large number of population doesn't imply might or 'GIANT' if that's what's deceiving us. Little Japan dominated the eastern front during World War II, and even today Nippon as they like to call themselves have a say in global affairs and decisions, and as one of the manufacture giants of Asia with such social and technological advancement is among those who determines the shape of world economic 'G-8', and yet the population of these nation isn't up to the 2 billion people in China. That's not even the point, the point is why should we keep deluding ourselves with catch phrases such as "united we stand, divided we fall" or cliché such as "giant of Africa" when in fact we can't manufacture needles or matchsticks. The only thing this crippled giantess is good at is, exporting of its crude oil only to be resold back to her because she intentionally misplaced the keys to the doors of its refineries. A giantess with no shame or guilt, where PHCN offices relies on 'chinko' generators to power its billing/receipt machines while payers line up in rows outside in the sun or rain looking irately at the crudely design poster pasted on the wall announcing the and increased bill charges and people ask "na wa o! wen dem go carry digital meter con dis area". A giant whose roads are so horribly undulated with death traps it makes the rugged terrain of Mars look beautiful. A giant with such bastardized education system that it produces more incompetent graduates than employment opportunities, and oh! If they are too much competent graduate, not too worry there are special abattoirs reserved for NYSCs to go serve, after all not everyone need to work, since our so-called leaders are doing the main work - fixed!. Why should our fate be directed by some bunch of inept cabals who don't even know the definition of 'government' or the 'principle of demand and supply' and yet they manage the country affairs as if it's their playground. Why can't there be Biafra Republic or Igboland after-all there is Englishland i.e. England; why can't they be United Creeks of Delta lands, after-all there os Kuwait and Malaysia, Why can't they be Bokoharamistan or The Islamic States of Fulani Emirates after all there was once U.S.S.R. and the Yorubas with their United Tribes of Ile-Odua, after-all there is Deutschland and Netherland, ba wahala!, its only some soul-less people who are benefiting from the present status-quo that wouldn't be happy with the sound of peaceful secession. They are BIG fools because they can make everything in this country better and yet Okadigbo will buy his 32 cars, Tinubu, IBB, Abdulsalam, Abubakar, Tafa Balogun, Bode George, etc may still quietly embezzle without the people minding provided an common citizen is relatively okay since he can afford 3 square meal, but that is not the case. The case is deeper than most what most know, the then successive JIHADIC conquest of West Africa continued downward islamization the Hausa state and of which during the time its aggressive and violent campaign on the places of the south was about to take full course, it was suddenly halted due to the campaigner with bigger guns i.e. British colonialists/missionaries, subsequently the Jihadists resumed with such bequeathed power from the British who were like:

"Hey Russ, please inform uncle Sam that my newly created weapon 'neocolonialism' doesn't only cost less but is also more subtle and civilized, oh jeez! Russ is busy with communism, well let me check on my colonies, Ghana, can't use it, Sierra Leone, no way, Nigeria, ah! ah!, lets see, this educated south think they've gotten independent, let's see how this experimental trick would turn out if I use my weapon like this, and, like that, now let see if they can be free themselves from the north that we've empowered, love this weapon"

And this has been subconsciously aided by some greedy elements in this systemic structure. God, Jesus and Mohammed are not too slow to act on these evil so-called leaders of ours like many been praying and hoping, they just don't take action as we all have seen in the numerous instances of these legislooters, sinators, and gunvernor have always sworn by their holy books before assuming office. If they don't want Nigeria peacefully dis-amalgamated then let them incorporate Ogun and Shango into the present constitution ajd lets see if things would change or not.

The same China that is kicking ass today, the same one that will replace the United States as the world first power is multiethnic. That country was torn apart by warlords and conflicts between the largest two ethnic groups. Even today, they still fight among them from time to time. The only way that country was able to take advantage of its human resources was ORDER and that's what we need.
We can blow the whole country into tribal republics, it won't do any good. They will just end up fighting each other.
I know Nigeria has a serious religious problem that should be resolved.But who is responsible for that? The Fulani ?
Those people established Muslim Kingdoms in three other countries. One was in Senegal (Fuuta Toro), one in Guinea(Fuuta Jaloon), one in Mali (Macina) and the Caliphate of Sokoto. For your knowledge, the one in Sokoto was established after the one in Guinea and Senegal. And yet Nigeria is the only one among these countries to experience religious problems. The majority of the population in these three countries is Muslims and yet they live peacefully with their Christian countrymen. Now what is my point?
The federal government has to take its responsibility and ensure the religious neutrality of all governments in this country. Even in Saudi Arabia, or ROME, Muslims and Christians don't attack each other. Why is it the case in an African country? Lack of Order and Responsibility.

This Boko Haram sect is clearly a problem. And they claim to be Muslims. Who tha hell told
you that if bomb yourself you gonna go to paradise? The notion of jihad is clearly misunderstood.
The government should not negotiate with these people. It will only encourage other extremist movements.

What is it with people always talking about nigeria being divided into two states?
Do you really thing that would do any good? Look at what is happening to Sudan today. They are still fighting.
The country has problems, instead if wasting your energy trying to get something that is out of reach, rather
try to change the way things are done.
This country's problems are mostly political. Almost all of west africa has the same problems. The same old
folks are running things. They do not have any ambition except keeping their jobs. So they will
manipulate the mass, encourage youngsters to take weapons and create a mess. These guys are the problem.