₦airaland Forum

@cantell - LOL, ahn ahn - you don get beef for mumugee before ni?

@Ranks
I have learnt quite a bit, I must admit. Although it takes awhile to get through your posts because they can be incoherent sometimes. Please don't take that personally. I don't mean it as an insult.
I think we'll have to leave this issue now. You believe your God has installed you on earth to deal with all the gays. You're well within your rights to believe that.

Ranks007:
If we want to go into religion we argue out our lives!!!

We can argue religion if you want. To be clear, I am a heterosexual, christian male who doesn't agree with being gay and regard it as a sin.

Having said that, If the brand of christianity you subscribe to is the intolerant kind advocated by Pat Robertson and his ilk on CBN, etc, then this is a debate I'm very happy to have.

the sole reason I choose to use that signature, is everything you do in life boils down to Justice, moral deficiency and all that, your justice is human, but my justice its meaning its self explanatory, be it good or bad, capital or due process diplomatic-law-court human right type, for every sin or flaw there is a punishment that equals it.

 1. A man sleeping with animals -  punishment = death

2. Gay man or woman - punishment = death

3. Looting - punishment = Court wahala = Imprisonment, etc

Seeoooo the moral universe is very, very long to satisfy, that's why persons lack the virtues to sustain pure morality down God's earth, but in as much you can't exercise it, my brother justice that equals your type of sin is waiting for you just at the end of your journey, if not by God, then certainly by man, for any evil committed by man under the sun can never go unreplied.

This punishment you refer to here, is it to be meted out by man? - or is God the final arbiter of this your justice?

I'm sure you will quickly refer to sodom and gomorrah. Was it Man or God who destroyed the city? (it was God by the way).
- Why do we as men suddenly think we can do God's work for him?? How are we different from the Taleban and other such extremists who claim to kill on behalf on their God? - I'm sorry o. My own God came and died for me. I dont need to blow myself or anyone else up for him - gay or not.

You use all this simple equations to trivialize something that is pretty serious and widespread. If we killed everyone who sinned (make no mistakes about it - sin is sin o.), gosh i really wonder who else would remain on this earth. You go on and on about this your justice. Where is your mercy? - people who bleat on and on about justice without mercy usually need to be very very careful.

if not by God, then certainly by man

My goodness! - i really cant get past this quote. That even if God decides to let some things slide, that man will still hold it against one?

No wonder David said it was better to fall into the hands of God but prayed not to fall into the hands of man (2 sam 24:14).

Guy, think about your position again please. Kill all gays? -  ALL ?? - remember that african saying about those who point one finger at others!

where u the guy with the long arms that pulled my girl from the bed while we where at it Huh Grin

That story sounded one kind

Ranks007:
Long before now, all formin' Rambo. I bet bro they would not dare to do so real lyfe, I mean big-time!

Guy, nobody forming rambo here. Sometimes passion runs high. Thank God for people like you to help calm things down. I appreciate>

We're moving away from the issue though.

I respectfully asked you to explain to me how killing all gays was justice, since as you say, the arc of moral kinikan bends towards justice. I still await an answer

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=411339.msg5678783#msg5678783 date=1268402183]I sometimes honestly wonder if nigerians are born silly or they acquire it later in life. . . .

The general replies here borders on "If you don't like it quit", "Don't complain, some are worse off" and bla bla bla.

Don't complain? Why the hell not?! He's employed as a trainee and given the same workload and targets as a full staff without the same financial and fringe benefits. . . Is that not SLAVERY?

Rather than castigating or speaking against such exploitations by coporate organisations they prefer to rant "Half bread. . .", "Complain not", "Quit". It means the morons aka nigerians have come to accept this act of coporate slavery as the norm and perfectly legal.

No wonder everybody including politicians and religious leaders shits on you nigeriansdeadbeats.

Shame on you deadbrains called nigerians.

@poster.

Pls complain and cry out!! No human being should be exploited this way. . . . Hopefully the imbeciles called Nigerians would one day wake up and stand against such crimes against humanity.[/quote]I'm in love with Tudor o

Na real wa oo

uc nduka:
My thoughts exactly, imagine giving pension to a thief that's stolen enough. Finally, NASS seems to be waking up.

Nigerians! - We are such a cynical bunch - which isn't really our fault because we've had our hopes raised and dashed repeatedly by those who were supposed to look out for us. So in some ways, our cynicism is justified.

I know because of our experiences, we now automatically expect everyone to loot and steal.

However, imagine just for one moment (just allow yourself to dream for a few seconds), just imagine one day, we got a president who didn't steal, misallocate funds, etc., and who simply lived on his federal salary and benefits of office. Shouldn't there be some constitutional provision for such a one to enjoy a pension?

I know I will be castigated here as naive and much worse, But you guy are letting emotions control your arguments.

Legitimate presidents of the country deserve pension.

Making sure that legitimate presidents dont steal, cheat, loot, etc is a different argument. Dont mix issues please.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=411897.msg5678590#msg5678590 date=1268400900]Wipe them off and lets concentrate on educating Ugandans about HIV and it's dangers.[/quote]Finally, I've gotten you to state your real position.

Just one side note. After wiping them all out, there will be no need for this education you propose cuz all the HIVers would be dead 

I blame the donor and the recipient of your Y chromosomes.
The money spent on your education shoulda been used to buy condoms to prevent an autistic savant like you populating the planet.

The Lord bless you sir,

Ranks007:
I do not know if you heard about the 700 club or CBN, atleast Mr. Oladukun won't come and lie to his veiwers, he once said over 1million indecency sites are created daily, now tell me how can one challenge that fact, all were drawn from the new york police department,
You just took my mouth,

@Ranks007 - I am really trying but I honestly don't know where to start with you. You are both ignorant and clownish at the same time, which really can be a fatal combination.

Because Mr Oladukun said it, therefore it must be true?

Because it was said on CBN or the 700 club, it is gospel?

Atleast now I understand why you've taken your position. You cite one of the vilest, most hate-filled, rightwing TV programs in the world to justify your hatred of gay people.

Your signature talks about the arc of kinikan tending towards justice. Please 'splain to me how killing all gays represents justice?

I too mean no contempt sir - apologies for the name calling.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=411897.msg5678445#msg5678445 date=1268399871]You are not a stark illiterate.
Go to the internet and search for yourself. U really expect me to educate you?

I don't come from a depraved family like yours.[/quote]

Touched a nerve did I?

Intolerant, Vile, Evil, Insensitive people usually get riled easily.


If you are REALLY concerned about the spread of HIV and not your blind hatred for gay people, you will indeed agree to lets just "wipe out" everyone with HIV/AIDS. Isn't that common sense? - Wipe them all out and then there's no more HIV to transmit!

Idi-ot  

Ranks007:
@sauron easy with omofat, I think there are two things involved,

1. Maybe he or she is gay,

2. Or, he has hates capital punishment

I am neither gay nor am I completely against capital punishment. There are some crimes in this world which really rankles and for which capital punishment can be argued. Simply being Gay is not one of them.

Very, very true, I watch it on TV, also a survey was taken too, even in America

The highlighted portion above says it all.

Please exhibit intelligent and original thought and don't just feed yourself on TV only. "I saw it on TV" is not a sound defence of a position.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=411897.msg5678157#msg5678157 date=1268397635]Why should we wipe everyone of them? The heterosexuals with HIV mind their own business and are less violent.
There's a strong relationship between homosexuals and violence - it has been proven time n time again.
In South Africa, gays punish all and sundry by deliberately infecting other people via ra[i]p[/i]ing or sodomising innocent victims.

You are not making any sense.
If any of your family members is GAY, i advise you now to tell them NOT to venture going to UGANDA.

It seems you were born with a manliness in your brain.

We don't breed sexual deviants in my family.
I dunno why it irks you so much that GAYS will be executed in Uganda.
Go there and start a riot instead of throwing temper tantrums on a forum.
Bloody coward![/quote]Please provide references for your assertion that gay people are violent and straight people are calm and docile.

If I were you, I would be very careful before declaring your immediate and extended family a "sexual deviant" free zone. You may just be forced to eat your words.

Ranks007:
I would rather say I am simply shocked at your level of logical reasoning, Is sexual communication the only form of transmissing this diseases if she claims 85% of such transmissions is through homosexuality, is banning the guys you support their habit [/b]not a prompt way to stop the spread of HIV and their unclean act rather better than wiping the repentant fallen heroes and heroines of the [b]fagot industries, I think we should leave them they have regret stories to tell, so that others will learn

I was being sarcastic. Sometimes, you have to go to the far extreme for stupid people to see the fallacy in their arguments. When you get porous arguments and attempt to take them to their logical conclusion, they simply fall apart.

Point of correction, I have not supported anybody's habit. But why do you have to KILL people who are gay? - come on.

Fagot industry? - Trying to debate you is a fool's errand.

Kill all the GAYS you hear. Kill them

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=411897.msg5677952#msg5677952 date=1268395821]You are a simpleton.
A[i]n[/i]al s[i]e[/i]x is responsible for almost 85% of HIV transmission and the fagz are the ones busting rectums here and there.
Ugandans are not classic dolts like you and if we factor the number of people HIV have killed in their territory, it is safe to put a death penalty in motion for any homosexual beast caught in the act.
If it irks you, start a civil war.
Anuofia![/quote]I wonder what your response would be the day your brother, sister, cousin, relative finally come out of the closet.

Kill all of them you hear. Kill them!

Insensitive clown

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=411897.msg5677952#msg5677952 date=1268395821]You are a simpleton.
A[i]n[/i]al s[i]e[/i]x is responsible for almost 85% of HIV transmission and the fagz are the ones busting rectums here and there.
Ugandans are not classic dolts like you and if we factor the number of people HIV have killed in their territory, it is safe to put a death penalty in motion for any homosexual beast caught in the act.
If it irks you, start a civil war.
Anuofia![/quote]By your logic, why don't we just shoot everybody that has HIV. You know, wipe them all out completely - Gays, Non-gays, children, the whole lot.

Infact, why stop there?, we should wipe out everyone with TB, herpes (common cold & the sti), and any kind of communicable disease.

I repeat your ignorance is not only shocking, It is stunning!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=411897.msg5677891#msg5677891 date=1268395189]I wish Nigeria can follow suit.
Gays helped spread the HIV epidemic in Africa. . . . . .They are agents of DEATH.[/quote]You know gay people force everyone in society to sleep with them. They are such tyrants!

Infact, you know HIV is spread by shaking hands, hugging and sitting down beside gay people.

HIV spread has nothing to do with heterosexual people having casual, unprotected sex with each other.

Your level of ignorance is shocking!

Ranks007:
yeah, I think so too. But I think as silly as an animal is, it will never in its whole life lay with its same. And as clever and cunning as humans are we are on the track of justifying our actions because we are made to see unclothedness of nature. Sovereign nature want procreation. Bald brains says no to it.

How would you feel if there is a newly enacted law that no one should marry but keep partners under the form of lovers and friends because of high rate of divorce?

Gays are just like those numskulls who lay with animals, what do have to say about them? look as cunning as humans are, they will always say trash to defend their acts, all abomination, all capital punishment, I firmly assert, that is the only human act that should qualify a capital punishment.

I'm not exactly sure where to start taking down your arguments. Lets just agree to disagree on this one please.

You think they should be killed and I think not.

Ranks007:
What will God do to a gay?

It is possible to say same what God will do to a thief also to a gay,

  But what did the old testament say about homosexuality, an abomination!

  and what is the penalty for an abominable act? ---- death of course so the Govt is on course!!!

Very warped logic. very very twisted and sad reasoning.

desgiezd:
What do they need pension scheme for having embezzled billions of dollars that they would never exhaust in their lifetime?

Guy, we know on this issue you are right - they are all thieves (loosely speaking) - that is for us to change how our society works and ensure that we dont get charlatans and crooks in power.

But the general principle that past presidents should receive some form of pay stands. What this particular bill is about is simply that it should be legitimate, elected presidents who get it and not heads of military juntas.

Lets not confuse issues or get into emotional arguments. The whole system needs to be fixed but small small. Lets celebrate our little victories, so we can continue fighting the war.

sir t:
@ beeke

May God bless u for hat response. At least we av pple that can reason like human beings and not otherwise. At times, i wonder how pple think. What benefit does the bill has on the common man in the streets? Whether millitary or "selected" president, what av they done to this country that warrant retirement benefit from tax payers money?
Surely, my own God is not happy with this pple ( Legislators ) and will not be happy with them untill they av the interest of the masses at heart.


@ Slap1

Can u imagine? FOI bill was with them for years and nothing come out of it. Now they are passing retirement benefits for the looters. Can u see how silly they are. Honestly, these bunch of craps will not know peace in their lifes.

You are right, they should be doing more for nigerians in general.

You are wrong. This change is a positive outcome to this particular issue. Former presidents receive pension payments. It only makes sense and is only logical that it should be narrowed down to legitimate presidents.

Please continue fighting for the common man, complain, shout, protest, do all you can. We will get there eventually. Small small

LOL @tactical espionage -

harakiri:
Alright,

I haven't been picking her calls or replying her text messages until noon yesterday.She said we needed to talk and i was like, no problem.She came to my crib later on,said she was sorry and didn't mean to hurt me and it was only those two people calling her and nothing more than that.The whole thing sounded like crap and i switched on the TV to watch BBC. . .at least there is 30% truth in their news reports.

After a while, she came to meet me on the sofa and said i wouldn't understand why she did what she did, and i was like. . .okay.She started sobbing and saying she did that to hurt me and i was like, how? She wanted it was because i refused to donate blood to her sick father  when her mother requested for more donors (he died recently of prostrate cancer and we buried him about a week ago in Akwa Ibom).I reminded her that i had initially gone with her on my own accord to donate blood and the docs there said my PCV was 35 (which is ridiculously low for a man. . .a normal woman has a PCV of 36 while a man should have at least 40).My PCV was low coz i had been ill and i was on a heavy dose of medication and that resulted in me losing a lot of blood cells.The docs said i needed at least 8-12 weeks to get back to normal and there was no way i could donate blood without collapsing right there (or even worse).So how on earth could i donate blood when i was still in recovery!

It would have made no sense coz the docs would still turn me down.I told her outrightly that her story was lame.I really felt like telling her there and then that it was over and done with but i decided to follow the advice of several posters here who suggest i take things slow and "keep my tail in the water in case i need to swim again".As of present, i am gradually withdrawing into myself.I no longer take the so-called relationship seriously.If she's the one, she will do whatever that's necessary to amend the massive damage that's been done.If she's not, i cannot be bothered.I've already made up my mind for the worst.I just hope i'm not going about this wrong way.Perhaps i should have cut it all off there and then.

Wetin una think?

In between, thanks for the priceless of responses.It really went a long long long way putting my mind at rest.I appreciate that.

Wait wait wait,  Slow down abeg.

Your woman decided to allow another chap to pansh her from all sides as your punishment because you didnt donate blood when her father was sick even though you offered to and the doctors turned you down?

So in her eyes, "your" punishment was to have another man ride "her" like horse?

That's a bloddy wonderful arrangement o. Na win-win situation for the chic sha. For all future real and imaginary offences you commit, YOU will be punished by HER enjoyment of another MAN's willy Think about it.

I don't know why we are still discussing this issue to be honest.

You people will not fry my brain on this nairaland.

My guy, if you believe in GOd, then He must really love you oh because he has handed a way of escape.

Pack your things and run. Run as if your life depends on it. If you look back, walahi you will turn to salt.

There are other girls out there oooooo,  hmmmm

kosovo:
and what do you call yourself? who want to keep carrying the placards your forefathers carried, yet No single achievement can be spotted.  

Chairman, no vex - but abeg please lead the charge from the front. we will follow you.

But for goodness sake, please dont just sit there at HQ while you send other people to go die for your crazy ideology. Tell me how's that different from those terrorist henchmen who sit there eating the same KFC chicken they decry while some poor sucker goes to blow himself up? - or these wayward rightwing extremists you see on US tv whose only solution is "send in the troops" while they avoided military service themselves.

We will celebrate our heroes who show themselves to be heroes. We will even tolerate and makes excuses for our cowards who show they are cowards. What we cannot and will not accept are cowards who dress up as heroes.

Please lead from the front. We will follow you. Walahi!

Sky Blue:
I won't further engage you in diversionary arguements, the research is there for you have been shown that examples do exist. Let us get back on point. You want violence? What is stopping you? Are you all talk and no actions? Are your convictions that worthless? Are you more lethargic and lazy than those that even have the courage to protest? What is stopping you from instigating this "change" you want? Does your courage end with the ability to post online recycled commentary? Are you unable to swallow your own remedy and expect others to do it for you? If you are all these then what gives you the moral authority to call those who are more proactive lazy? Who among the two have a bettehr chance of getting anything done? Why not cut out the diversionary arguements and engage in some worthwhile introspection?

Thank you Sky Blue. All these people that want to fight to the end with the last drop of other people's blood. Bloody cowards!

Sad sad sad

cap28:
what planet are you living on?

please explain to me how the IBB era is different from where we are now?  

didnt obasanjo invite the IMF and World Bank in to nigeria to privatise the entire public sector, didnt he agree to impose austerity measures on the nigerian populace in accordance with their instructions just like his predecessor IBB did in the 80's - didnt obasanjo handover the baton to Yaradua with instructions to carry on with these measures which are making the lives of ordinary nigerians hell on earth?

a democracy is a system of govt for the people controlled by the people - if you are seriously telling me that the nigerian people have any control over their current govt then you deserve to be placed in a secure unit as you are in an advanced state of clinical psychosis.

i am inclined to agree with you partially on this one but not entirely, yes Jonathan was forced in but the question you should ask yourself is why?  i can tell you now that it had nothing to do with any of the reasons you set out above - i have said it before and i will say it again the west do not have nigeria's interest at heart and their intentions towards us has not changed since the days of slavery, they are imperialists they are only interested in going where they can gain.  i believe yaradua was forced out in order to make way for a more malleable leader someone weaker - someone like jonathan - the question you should ask yourself is this - why is it that no-one has set eyes on yaradua since his alleged return to nigeria over 2 weeks ago? 

since you havent got the balls to even advocate let alone take up armed insurrection prepare yourself, your children and your grandchildren for another 200 years of bondage and suffering as that is what the nigerian kleptocrats have in store for us.

By IBB's era being a different one to our current situation, I simply meant in terms of us currently running a democratic government. IBBs was a military regime so it was pretty clear that the full range of resources couldnt be deployed. The judiciary was virtually nonexistent, journalists were arrested willy nilly and there was general chaos. And by the way, please remind me what the success of the IBB must go riots was? - you really think the guy left office cause a bunch of people coming to take him in aso rock? - you gotta be kidding me.

Obasanjo was "democratically" elected (we can argue about election rigging and the legality of the elections, etc on a separate thread). But the point still remains. We elected the clown and so whatever policies he enacted, he did in our name. If we didnt like it, then we the people had the power to eject him (like we did with the 3rd term agenda - and nobody took up arms for that one). It was all civil protests of varying forms.

No one has set eyes on yaradua since he got back because the joker is very sick and he has a bunch of loons trying to perpetuate him in power and spread confusion so that Jonathan doesnt exercise his full range of powers. that's what i think. I'm sure you'd correct me otherwise but I dont see what your question has to do with what we're talking about. Jonathan's weakness is Jonathan's fault. The fight hasn't really been about him. If a dog happened to be the VP, it should have been giving the powers to steer the ship of state - end off. It wasnt about Jonathan at all.

Sadly, I agree that the nigerian kleptocracy as you put have no plans but evil for us. However, I still maintain that armed insurrection isnt the answer. The last thing we need now is to provide the military with an excuse to return. Change doesn't come overnight. It takes time and persistent pressure - and I dare say that in 200 years, our grandkids and greatgrandkids (yours and mine) will live in a much better nigeria - one where equity and justice reigns. Cynicism doesnt get you very far my man.

Yes!  I dare to dream!! -

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=411562.msg5675164#msg5675164 date=1268350920]Like our Peaceful Protests would change the hearts of those thieves
and make thm stop stealing our money. . .[/quote]Lets go and kill all of them then. We do we meet for this operation?

kosovo:
On the Greece issue. That was exactly the example i cited when i brought up this issue, it is rather unfortunate that  the engineers of 'IBB must go' have given birth to Lazy and timid children, when they are pushed to the wall, they would rather jump over the wall and keep running rather than fight to regain Justice. It is pathetic to say the least.

th
You must understand that the IBB must go era was a different one.

For better or for worse, we now operate a democracy - even if only a fragile one. We can use all the elements and resources at our disposal to put pressure on these folks. Like someone asked you earlier, how many of the reps have you called or written to? - did you vote?

You think those guys in abuja suddenly decided to swear goodluck in just because they suddenly liked his face? - it was pressure my brother. International pressure, people protesting, journalists writing articles, lawyers filing supreme court cases, the combination of all those things together brought change, throw in strike actions where necessary, mass mobilisations and things will change,

However, if you want to lead an armed insurrection, why not lead from the front ? - instead of yapping on nairaland. talk is cheap, show us how its done please.

aisha2:
Kosovo is so right, lets just stay on nairaland and complain, after all even Rev. martin Luther and the Black Movement in the 60s achieved nothing, he died for nothing, he just let his family suffer. Ha, the people that came yesterday just suffered themselves for nothing, abeg its better to just sit and complain and talk about what needs to be done on nairaland, alongside our many tribal and religious bashing threads, all these is what will make Nigeria better not any freaking Peaceful protest (For Those of you who are to slow in understanding, am being sacarstic) Ride on Kosovo, we are behind you. More complaining on nairaland, less action on the streets.
Sky Blue, U have my heart this night

The truth of the matter is that we need all forms of non-violent interventions to fight against the fools rulling us.

Mass rallies, peaceful marches, strikes by key workers, citizens persistently lobbying their representatives and senators, people writing letters repeatedly to shoddy govt agencies, lawyers filing lawsuits against corrupt officials all the way to the supreme court if necessary. lectures and open forums, citizens phoning in radio and tv public affairs programs, journalists asking sensible questions from politicians and demanding sensible answers - call out those who say rubbish, musicians need to sing more about social justice and against corruption, nollywood, etc etc

You get the point sha. Basically everyone needs to play their part.

And for goodness sakes, we need to stop being sycophants. If a man who has been shown to be a thief throws a party or drives by our neighborhoods in his flash car, instead of chanting baba alaye, call him a thief and look upon him with disgust.

It'll take time but it can be done.

Tarmpa:
Listen,i dont hav 2 cal 2 anounce my visitatn since it was mearnt to be a suprise visit.d house is'nt a family house,but one of my own bungalow buildns that i told her to live in,her parents are PH based.U can enter her room either through the passage directly outside or through the sittn room.If i was knockn on d door directly at d passage,then she'll be too scared of adjustin the windows as any sound may make me know that some one was in there.She cant jump up & off the light since it may either make a sound or perharps she forgot that the light was on.I never thought of peepn her room since every where was dark,& i also thought she must have locked d passage door frm insid & pass out through d sitn room.Just turnin 2 go wil make me face her window,& if d light came,den it was my luck, holdn her hand through d window is very easy since the switch she wanted 2 turn off was directly at d side of that window,i dont hav 2 push in my head,inshort! If you know d house very well,then u'll kno dat it's very easy 2 get hold of d hand dat's touching d switch without any stress.Well,belive it or not,it is'nt just a story but exactly what hapnd to me[b] arroud 8:11pm [/b] last night.

8:11pm? - not 8.10pm or 8:15pm ?

You're a very specific man oo. Attention to detail, hmmm, will take you very far in life