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OLAADEGBU:
Constitutional rights and the morality of both acts are what are in question here.

Both rights are guaranteed under the constitution.

What is immoral about building a mosque/recreational center?

What is moral about deliberately burning the religious symbol for over a billion people (a significant number of whom are easily drawn to violence) ?

I hear you on this "sensitivity"argument. But can I ask you for one second to think about motive.

I very much doubt that when the idea for this mosque (let's even call it that) was conceived, someone somewhere just sat down and thought "you know, what would be a good way to rile up these bloddy americans?, I know! let's build a centrer in new york! yippee!!

That's pastor Jones singular motive, to publicly desecrate and provoke moslems - we can have a discussion about why the moslems have a short fuse, fall for easy provocations and always blow things up later. At least with the "ground zero"mosque that is not quite at ground zero, if one looks hard enough, you can still see "some"good in it. There is absolutely zero good intent about what the pastor proposed to do. Zilch.

Now back to this sensitivity thing:
If a group of your neighbours just suddenly decide to be "sensitive" about you living in that neighborhood and have a problem with you throwing a birthday party for your 18year old son based on the utterly irrational fear that the hood would be swamped with colored folks who talk funny and one of your neighbors had just happened to be carjacked 2 weeks previously by one such colored folk, I doubt you would be catering to their sensitivities. You may very well decide to do so in the interest of peace but most people would want to stand up for themselves.

In situations such as these, the govt usually has a moral responsibility to stand up for the minority (there is the oft cited case of George Washington writing that famous letter to the Jews of rhode island). The moslems in NY didn't blow up the twin towers. There were no sensitivies until the situation was jumped upon by the right wing loonies.

I urge you to look at the two cases again. Surely, you can see a difference.

What harm is it doing to 9-11 victim's families? - I heard some family come out against it and I have heard some other family come out in support or atleast indifferent to it. The whole ground zero thing is just an artificial thing to stir up anti-islamic sentiment. The "mosque" isn't even at ground zero.

Can I ask a different question? - imagine this mosque was already built at that location before 9-11 happened, would people be calling for it's demolition now?, because of "sensitivities"??

This is not even a case of two groups been held to different standards. The cases are NOT the same. At all.

Now as to question of why a significant number of moslems get violent at the slightest provocation (or in some cases, non-provocation)? - the same reason some would fly aeroplanes into building. Simply defies logic and explanation.

^^^
oh no not at all. They deserve all the criticisms and bashings they get.

It just seems tiring to me that all. Whenever we're having a slow day on NL, someone whips up anti-pastor sentiments.

All the arguments for and against these pastors have been made.

^^
Pastor bashing ?

Don't you people get tired?

^^^ Whilst in principle, you may have a point, I don't know too many christians who would personally fly planes into abu dhabi.

Do you?

Found my street in Lagos . Didnae know this existed. Cool

I don't know how some people here manage to equate building a recreational center with burning Korans (a book with significance to over a billion people on the planet).

False equivalence

While I don't agree with burning korans cause it's an act of provocation, I also wonder why it is such a big deal to the moslems ?

Heard someone ask the following on radio:

"If I downloaded a copy of the Koran on my BB/iphone/PDA/etc., and then put up a video on youtube where I literally pressed "delete" and wiped out the Koran app, would that also cause such anger and violence ?"

Deep Soul:
If my life depended on it and I had to choose one, it wld be ermmmmmmm an alcoholic.

Poster define 'alcoholic' sef. Person wey like to shack regularly or some1 who gets drunk and probably twitches when he doesnt have any?

Most alcoholic generally end up as (extremely) violent types. Would that alter your position?

Nice story. Well written. I like

^^^ Another ignorant post

Ko si omo iya ni London

Some people just don't really like jewlry. No? - Some times you wear a watch and you just feel abit uncomfortable with it and decide to take it off. Doesn't always have to be a sinister reason.

^^^ Nobody told her anything.

I know what happened.

She met another guy that has excited/is exciting her. She has to explore those feelings, thinking the grass is greener and all that rubbish.

She will realize that the other grass is brown later. It may or may not be too late then.

In the meantime bro, try and hold yourself together and keep your dignity - that's all you gat left o. Do NOT beg!

I know it is easier said than done (trust me, I KNOW). Natural instinct is to beg and convince and cajole and pamper. DONT DO IT

dayokanu:
Really is Al Mustapha to blame for carrying out the order of the Commander In CHief at that time?

Principle IV of the Nuremberg principles:

Principle IV states: "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him".
This principle could be paraphrased as follows: "It is not an acceptable excuse to say 'I was just following my superior's orders'".
Previous to the time of the Nuremberg Trials, this excuse was known in common parlance as "Superior Orders". After the prominent, high profile event of the Nuremberg Trials, that excuse is now referred to by many as "Nuremberg Defense". In recent times, a third term, "Lawful orders" has become common parlance for some people. All three terms are in use today, and they all have slightly different nuances of meaning, depending on the context in which they are used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles

lwise:
I'm not sure this is the first kidney transplant
St. Nicholas in Lagos has been doing this for
long.

Please read the article

the transplant was the[b] first of its kind handled in the institution[/b] without the assistance of any foreign surgeons, since the Kidney Centre was established in 1993.

the Chief Medical Director of UMTH, Prof. Othman Kyari, said “first ever in the history of Maiduguri Kidney Centre, a team of doctors and surgeons from this hospital and others from Ile-Ife and Kano performed a very successful kidney transplant on Suleiman Usman without the intervention of any foreign doctors and surgeons.

MOBO444:
My friend in north London just told me that he met a 36 years old FUSTRATED Nigeria lady who works in Lloyds bank (UK biggest Bank) and drives a very big jeep here in London and she took home for dinners at her 3 bed room apartment in Victoria, north London, my friend even said he was impressed with her big house and fancy furniture, she also had 2 foreign Masters degree, she is one of the daughter to a Nigeria ex Senator.

Well after the dinner and the wine and all the good stuff they settled down for action in bed [/b]and to be honest he said the black Nigeria sister has a very good body and he kind of admired and complimented her body (when she was unclothed), then the real surprised came, she broke down in tears and told him IT COULD BE ALL YOURS IF YOU MARRY ME[b], then she added including my bank account and car key, I could also get you a bank job.

Then he told her he had a white lady partner with 3 half caste children and can’t do such cheating, but the Nigeria sister then insisted just get me pregnant s as 2nd wife and she offered him £50,000,000 pounds cash, my friend told her to give him time to think it over, please we need advice here from serious minded guys here please, what will you do.

1. Lloyds is NOT the biggest bank in the UK
2. Victoria is NOT in North London
3. Your friend said he can't cheat AFTER they already settled down in bed for "action"

Guy you need to dey hire editor make your stories dey join

Technically he would still be 69 at the time of the elections

Orikinla:
Wedding with rings are not biblical.

We don't wed with rings in our R.C.C.G parish.

Rings are just tokens to me.

Exchanging precious copies of the Holy Bible serve a better purpose.

And exchanging the Holy Bible is biblical abi? - apply little thought before posting naw

^^^ Ma da OP loun, O fe je eran agba

yiboboy:
ibos killing ibos: good riddance, the world is all the better 4 it!

^^^ was that a joke? - if it was, then it wasn't funny

Omolola1:
Poster, tell this to her also 'u cannot withstand my kpekus' *lips sealed*

haaa -- omololaaaaaaaaa - i thought you were one of the good ones? - Kpekus, lol

Bros, she was speaking yoruba english to you ni o, "Oo le gbe eru mi", or better still, "eru yi le ju e lo" - basically saying, "you can't handle ALL of this" na yab oo  

Looks like all the shady folks in Nigeria have houses/apartments in Potomac, MD.

http://huhuonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1969:abusive-abubakar-audu-forces-wife-to-pay-4000month-as-rent&catid=103:more-news

This guy go away jo. Leave seyi alone. You're not stimulating us

^^^ There are people struggling in the UK, just as there are people struggling in Nigeria (and there are people doing very well in both places).

Remind me what the point was again ?

Just another example of the disunity within the body:

I go to a church that was bringing in a 'celebrated' US gospel artist into town for a one-day concert. As part of the whole publicity effort for the event, it was advertised on radio, tv, posters, etc. They sent a batch of flyers to other churches in the city to help promote the event.

One church in particular returned the flyers - because they weren't the 'first' to bring this artist to this city.

Approx 6 months later, they had an event of their own and they then invited this same person to come sing.

Their initial reluctance to publicise the first church's event had nothing to do with anything they had against the singer, or the church even. Twas just naked, raw bellus. That my friends is a typical example of what we have to deal with in today's "church".

You guys just moan moan moan. Have you seen the scale of the disaster in pakistan?

Come on