jl115:

- According to Israeli reports it was pilot error and not taking the right evasive action that caused it to be shot down... Also fighters have several counter measures, they don't need to be stealthy to avoid radar detection or to evade Sam's.

According to Israeli report? Israel have been caught pants down falsifying reports, I don't believe any shit they say but the fact remains that an older s300 shotdown F16 fighter still stands.



Also straight from Syrian officials : "In 2020, Syrian military officials criticized the S-300 air defense systems supplied by Russia, saying they failed to protect Syrian sites from the Israeli strikes."

jl115:

Syrian Officials are just angry because they don't have control over those missiles, they will have to take order from Moscow before they can use it.

jl115:

- my bru how many impala were shot down in Angola?

Was s300 used in Angola how

jl115:

- yes very sure

Please show me.

jl115:

- my bru we talking about 4.5 gen Rafael, Su35 and F16 vs old Soviet era SAM....have at least some logic!! And again not even Ukraine has not confirmed any Su35 being shot down

I am also talking about F16 been downed by older S200 Sam in Syria both Su35, Rafael and F16 are not stealth jet so S300 will rape them hard!!!!

jl115:

- I said there are reports of SAAF impala evading S300 I didn't say there is video evidence

report with no evidence common man

jl115:

- Egypt has more Sam systems and better radar coverage than Iran

Are you sure...

Stormtrooper11:


Is it the same Isreal that destroyed Iraqi nuclear reactors you're talking about!!?!

Yes


Same Israel that ran away from Hezbollah

jl115:

-You act as if the S300 is some kind of juju weapon that can't be defeated, the reports of 2 Su35s being shot down by S300 are unconfirmed even by Ukraine itself....the S300 has failed many times and has been evaded by much less advanced aircraft like the Impala....Also let me just remind you that Iran doesn't have the latest version of the S300 like Egypt.

You actually overrate Egyptian jet like they are invincible.
Shooting down of Su35 jets defeat your argument already, because Ukraine have nothing better than S300 yet they shot it down the F16 have been shot down by older S200 in Syria Iran Bavar and different kind of SAMs ready to take out anything in it airspace.

And please show me where impala evade s300

jl115:

- you cant sink subs with ballistic missiles bru you need torpedoes or depth charges to do that!!

I never said ballistic missile will sink a sub, but it will definitely sink a ship, and Iran has it Egyptian navy will bleed.

jl115:

- Iran don't have nearly enough radar coverage or SAM systems to protect there entire airspace....be realistic bru!! however this is hypothetical since neither country poses the necessary power projection to invade one another.

Egyptian airspace is not half protected has Iranian airspace.

And yes fight between them will never happen, we are just having fun.

jl115:

- Egypt have some of the most advanced fighters in the world including Rafael, su35, mig29m, f16s.... And the s300 is from the cold War, you think modern fighters can't beat the S300? There are even reports that old SAAF impala were able to stay undetected from the s300 just by flying low.

You mean same s35 that are been shot down in Ukraine even f35 got hit by Syria s200 but Israel denied it which they are known for, mig29 are not invincible either they will be shot down by Iranian Sam systems. The f16 have not confronted s300 yet in combat, until it does..the f16 is not better and won't survive Iran airspace.

impala common I will shoot down those impala with Ak47 rifle

jl115:

- i'm guessing you think Egypts ships and subs are unarmed hey? ..... My bru just Google Egypts fleet and then Google Irans fleet..... No comparison, Egypt has them beat in quality and quantity

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Egypt has no submarine armed with subsurface or ballistic missiles, Iranian subs will rape Egyptian subs samr with ships.

jl115:

- and then Egypt will bomb the sh1t out of them with there much more advanced Airforce

How will Egypt do that?

Iran can hit Egypt with a distance of 1000+km, Egypt on the other hand will have to fly close to Iran to achieve that and they will be overwhelm and shot down by Iranian SAMs.

Odunayaw:
It is this hell-hath-no-fury stance of Israel I have tried to communicate to Omofaye99

The USS Liberty is a stark reminder of how loco these guys can be

Yes..Israel are very mean when it comes to retaliation, but we all saw what happened in 2006 against Hezbollah where they were targeting civilians in the name striking Hezbollah.


Hamas is a weak adversary to Israel, Iran is on another level..strike them and watch the middleeast burn.

NTSA:

True use of proxies and Missiles is where we are at ...and as we stand Israeli missile technology and air defenses have the upper hand .....but what do we know.

Non of Israel air defence system have encounter advance missiles yet. But i agree with then having the upper hand for now.

jl115:

1. How did you get to that conclusion?

Iran possess different kind of SAM including S300 and it home built Bavar missile similar to the S300.

Khordad missile defence can also intercept stealth jet and cruise missiles. Egypt jets won't survive Iran airspace.

jl115:

2. How did you get to that conclusion?

Iran have Ships armed with antiship cruise missiles and are capable of confronting Egypt ships heads on, their subs are well armed with subsurface to surface missiles which will make Egyptian ships an easy prey the missile capability of Iran is enough to make Egypt think twice.

jl115:

3. Iran isn't just going to nuke Egypt... That would be suicide for them....please be realistic


You are wrong

Iran won't nuke Egypt, they don't have nuclear warhead yet. But they can hit Egypt with ballistic missiles if there is war between both nation.

NTSA:
Looking at this map what is the likelihood of conventional, state-to-state conflict between Israel and Iran.?...
Where would be the point of contact?
There are so many variables in play that are being ignored.

May never or will never happen


If Israel decides to take the fight to Iran then they are on a suicide mission Iran proxy alone in the middleeast are more than some nations army, Israel will be fighting alone and isolated.


Highest they can do is proxy, and that is where is Iran takes the lead.

Odunayaw:
Simplistically, WW2 has it's root causes in one [or 3] country's ambition for world domination IN an era where there were multiple players.

I don't see the Rus-Uk war as a piece of a larger agenda for world domination

Turkey in my estimation is a North Korea with geographic privileges

They're making best use of the nonsense in Europe. Turkey has a sour history with the Arabs so it remains to be seen what their gragra will produce

I will just wait and see what happens

Putin and Erdogan landed in Iran today.

jl115:

Iran self sufficient? My bru all there major equipment is imported.... However only difference is Egypt has imported some of the latest and most advanced equipment on the market and Iran has mostly cold War era equipment that have been obsolete for decades..... They have 0 modern fighters(Mig29s are from the late 80s), 0 modern gunships, 0 modern tanks,0 modern artillery(besides the G5 which they only have 50), 0 modern ships..... They literally have nothing



P.s there tanks are frankenstein monsters, just old T72s mated to M60s....

First no doubt that most of Iran military equipments are old, but when it comes to war Egypt got nothing on Iran..I mean nothing at all.

1. Egypt despite it modern fighters can't get 1km near Iran airspace without getting shot down.

2. Egypt clear lacks the navy power to go against Iran with ships and subs armed with antiship- cruise missile.

3. Iran have ballistic missiles with 2000km range that can hit Egypt, and Egypt have no counter for even cruise missiles.

How do you fight N enemy that can hit you without even getting close, while you are completely restricted from it own airspace.



But I may be wrong though.

jl115:
Iran stronger than Egypt??

Well Iran is self sufficient when it comes to military, Egypt on the other hand relies on import.

I am not using the global firepower rating.

Bloodofthelambo:


The US is civil in when attacking countries,
Isralelis like you said, fight for survival and they go very dirty and brutal to ensure victory.

And Iran will be fighting for what

Bloodofthelambo:

One thing I love about them is that they are quick to admit defeat but the goal has been achieved.

This goal will be their end bro.

Bloodofthelambo:

As powerful as the Arab collision was in the 1970s, tiny Israel that was barely 35yrs old, defeated them and took their lands.

Arabs are known cowards, heck why Saudi with all the advance equipments is still been wiped by slippers wearing Houthis.

Bloodofthelambo:

Iran might fare well, but they make too much noise over little things.

Israel are the real noisemakers, i can show you dozen of threats it has issued to Iran without action. People can them talk and do but in Iran case they can't do but only talk.

davefurn:

Tbh I don't really know the correct choice, south africa has managed to play neutral with being in brics maybe we can too

Neutrality is the key, stay neutral and take the advantage of the situation to your own favour, South africa understands this. I rather dine with both devils than become an enemy of one.

davefurn:

Yh, heard about it too, no information on the reasons yet; they said it was a military exercise, btw rimpac is ongoing now.... Haven't seen any juicy photos apart from a 5 hours fire today

Yes it a military exercise and no information from yet, guess they are still investigating the reason behind the crash.


Let wait and see, i have not see any pics yet.

Odunayaw:
Why do you think global politics has changed? The Rus-Uk war is just another small war in the history of wars.

Small war tell me how the world war started.

Odunayaw:

It has not altered anything politically or militarily in the world (except exposing the image of Vlad's red butt cheeks)

It has bro..you are not following.

Just recently the US congress blocked the sales of F16C/D block to Turkey because they felt Turkey is not doing their what they want same as Israel and Greece holding joint military exercise, we all know Greece and Turkey are not good terms even Turkey and Israel are not friends either. Biden and Israel says they won't let Iran be a nuclear power after their joint meeting, and a day later Turkey and Russia announce their trip to Iran for a meeting that is not just a coincidence bro.

Israel even gave Saudi full control of land in the red sea just to get support but still Saudi says it open to dialogue with Iran.

China, Russia and Iran are set to hold joint military drill in Latin America, that in Uncle Sam backyard the world had changed man, even European leaders are finding it hard to Govern their states.

Odunayaw:

It's not like Turkey are exactly friends of Iran. Heck, Turkey disdains Iran's ambition of being sole power in the region (something nuclear weapons will give them)

Says who? Turkey is wiser now not to follow Uncle Sam wishes and the little demon called Israel.

Odunayaw:

What assurance will Vlad give them? Veto in the UN?

Not assurance bro, but military support.

Odunayaw:

On the matter of Taiwan, I don't really know much (I don't bother myself actually) with security and geopolitics outside our continent and by extension the ME

Ok.

Odunayaw:
You are wise. The very reason why M.E militaries will continue to be impotent is due to the capabilities of the Mossad

Omofaye is saying Russia and China will back Iran like Xi and Putin told him so.

Israel places it's survival above geopolitics and that's why it looks like it is a US lapdog in the ME. Time will tell

That was my own speculation bro


Global politics have changed since Russia invade Ukraine. Putin and Erdogan are heading to Iran, just after Biden visit to the region, they definitely didn't go there for gossip


China have warned USA to stop it arm sales to Taiwan or it will take necessary action, this is another thread to follow.

davefurn:

It will be an interesting fight anyways to watch. Lemme grab my 3d glasses, had my fill of kalibrs and islanders(kalibrs were developed 2012, just found out today btw and tomahawk had over 50 yrs of development, in the missiles area. Russia are leagues ahead of USSR). Time for drones not tb2 shit.... Reapers
needs to be tested !!!!!!!

Heard a Reaper drone crashed in Romania

Odunayaw:
Okay

Fare enough

Bloodofthelambo:
many underestimate that tiny nation called Israel,

Naaa..it is actually the other way round, many over hype Israel.

Bloodofthelambo:

Iran will not survive a war with israel.

Opinion bro not FACT.

Bloodofthelambo:

One fields very advanced military technology, the other can barely put modern military equipment together, except missiles.

Are you serious you mean a country despite sanctions thT built it own tanks, aircrafts, drones missiles, radar etc. is not modern enough? the same country with it so called outdated technology brought down Uncle Sam so called advance RQ-4 Global Hawk drone.

Bloodofthelambo:

In the cold war kind of hostilities look how well coordinated the Israeli assassinations have been against Iranian scientists.

coordinated assassination carried out by MEK for Israel not Mossad

Bloodofthelambo:

So much that Iranian govt no longer trust their security personnels for fear of infiltration by mossad.

Nope MEK are the ones doing the assassination, but this time we are talking about war not cat and rat game.

Bloodofthelambo:

Judging by history, the Israelis are good at surprising their enemies. And with or without ''uncle sam'' the war will be a very interesting one for the Israelis.

Yes a very intresting one like the 2006 Hezbollah vs Israeli war.

Bloodofthelambo:

We know the Zionists have very good and enviable air/missile defence system,we need to also see what they have for ICBM.

Same way Iran are very good at missile tech, we will love to see how those defence system fare against Iranian missiles.

Odunayaw:
I repeat, there is nothing Iran is right now that Egypt wasn't (same as Syria)

Iran being a strategic counterweight in the M.E is the only thing they have going.

Some things are just facts. Hate or love Israel, history has proven they are among the few who walk their talk

Israel won't dare strike Iran, if they have the balls to do it they would have without ranting. They know the consequence that follows it heck they are waiting for Uncle Sam to give the green signal for a go ahead which will never happen.



Iran is not Egypt or Syria. it is far stronger that both nation. Iran will give Israel a bloody nose any day anytime.

davefurn:

Israel is pretty powerful though, don't underestimate them and don't overestimate. Iran will have a hard time facing them without foreign help

Israel is powerful no doubt about that,, but the Israelis that fought the six day war are different to the present Israelis.

Striking Iran is like diving into the Ocean with your arms and legs tied together..suicide. bro!


1. Iran influence in the middleeast can't be matched by any country in the region. Even Uncle Sam.

2. Israel will be overwhelmed with Iran proxy attacks, even Hezbollah gave them a hard time in 2006. imagine what will happen if Iran was to declare war on Israel with it proxies going gaga with enough supplies. That is why all Arab nations in the region are avoiding any form of coalition with Israel and Uncle Sam.

3. Iran is not a push over for any country even Saudi won't dare provoke them. Houthis is enough headache for them. Israel will be fighting alone this time, and if Uncle Sam comes to their aid, China or Russian will openly support and even provide equipment to them, Uncle Sam have show everyone how to provide for a country fight for surviver Ukraine comes to mind.

Odunayaw:
History has shown that Israel carries it's balls in two wheelbarrows

Those balls will melt at the face of Iran, baby Israel can only flex it muscle against Arabs with Uncle Sam backing not Iran. All the threat of strike are just wailing or should i say last kick of a dying horse.


USA won't be there to save them. There is a report that Putin and Erdogan are heading to Iran for a meeting and even the Arab nations are distancing themselves from Israel and USA. Nobody wants the destabilization of peace in the middleeast.

Odunayaw:
This is a bad mistake

How?

Exnavyboy62:


Speaking of Iran, as anyone thought of why the U.S wants to use Israel as a watchdog to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons, and yet the U.S has a myriad of stockpiles while Israel is said to have in secret (although I'm not sure).

The USA for you bro

Exnavyboy62:

Yesterday's night news got me suspicious about Biden's visit to the Middle East and the pledge to prevent the influence of Russia, China and Iran in the middle east. Seems Uncle Sam is afraid of something

The visit was a total failure for Uncle Sam, the Saudis have rejected any form of military cooperation with Israel even UAE stated that it will not be part of any coalition against Iran so Uncle Sam and it lapdog Israel are on their own.


And know this...Israel don't have the balls to strike Iran that will trigger a war they can't win or survive, all those biblical story won't save them.

Stargate254:
Kenyas modest version

Funny

jteku:
https://www.facebook.com/KnowledgeJunctionMedia/videos/3229092710698351/



Weakest Armies in the world

Joke

davefurn:

True sha but we have the flutterwave saga of recent

Yea at least it made headline even though it all false allegations with no proof.

aduragbemi00024:


When you dont know something listen and read and then try to make findings. You can apply for a position with them, doctor your cv to tailor it to suite the post and then go for interview try to have contact with staffs and make further inquiry infact alot happen there. And mind you they dont permit phones, pictures etc inside their factory so when smuggling it be careful. These are things I made findings about before you come here and start saying "Evidence to this Jargons"

You made findings with no evidence to present except this long epistle

So this staffs have been working without pay for months and still continue to work for the sake of what Who works for a company without been paid for almost a year without speaking out? I know some won't but still you have no evidence to backup your claim.

aduragbemi00024:

Mind you this same company dont pay staffs November and December salaries in those months these are months very critical to everyone. They usually and normally go home without a dime after hard work for the year couple with salaries unpaid.

Yet they kept working abeg this story no clear.

aduragbemi00024:

Just recently Two of their key Expatriates left in Anger.

Why?

If this expatriates left because of salary issue I bet it would have made news headline, Proforce is not a chichi company man.

davefurn:

Odunayaw sure knows how to play with words

davefurn:

Yh, it's pretty common; that's why I didn't really doubt his claims that much

If what he said is true, there is no way Proforce would have cover that shit up.

Odunayaw:
Thing is like a diss track
I was expecting some great write up + evidence

Lol "diss track"