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GloriousGbola:
obideients do not realize this but people like this are what are refered to as kooks.

america is literally full of self important nutcases who are constantly writing different agencies with ridiculous demands

if the FBI was still doing paper mail- this would go direct to the dustbin or if filed be filed under loony bin.

from uber facts to daily loud to lone nutcases

who will be the next obidient recruit?

All they care about is his nationality and skin color. These are the types of self-loathing clowns who think being white and American is automatically enough for everything you say to be of global importance, as if there weren't literally hundreds of millions of such people living as ordinarily as anyone else.

North4Obi23:
Yes is he not a human being?

If that were all, nobody would keep posting his irrelevant opinions as if they had any weight whatsoever. The only reason he's repeatedly treated as any kind of "authority" on this site is because he's white and American. This "Guterman" clown is a known grifter with no special qualifications or political clout, a complete nonentity of a conman who has spotted an opportunity in the inferiority complexes of a few delusional Africans desperate for any validation of their political fantasies.

MasterJayJay:
Must you know every group in the world?.

Their Facebook page is nothing new. Continue to live in denial.

https://m.facebook.com/YYFPage

Like it takes any effort at all to create a Facebook page. I specifically said "media presence" for a reason. What serious publication or news channel has ever given a minute of attention to this group before now? Isn't that why the OP didn't provide a single link, just a pair of pictures. Simon Ekpa and his delusional "Biafran cabinet" have far more visibility than this group, but I bet you wouldn't agree Ekpa and company are representative of Igbo opinion. Why then are you trying to puff up some silly Facebook page and some pictures of a nobody as if they spoke for any significant number of Yorubas?

Admit it: you want this utterly irrelevant "movement" to be taken for more than it is because it suits your political purposes of painting Tinubu in the worst colors possible.

MasterJayJay:
MC Olumo, Bayo Onanuga and FFK that threatened Igbo more than the person holding poster are also not Yoruba.

Living in denial promax.

What those other people have or haven't done has no bearing on the fact that this "Yoruba for Freedom" group had absolutely zero media presence until today, conveniently appearing right on the hills of the "Guinean passport" and "drug helicopter" manufactured stories. You're the one living in denial, hoping against reason that some miracle will appear to either derail Tinubu's inauguration on May 29, or that you can plant enough fake stories to push the country into chaos once that happens.

Christistruth03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8BtTHYGTZU

Thank you! An entire thread full of empty bragging and tribalistic paranoia, and this is the first post to point out a glaring fact contradicting all the "Yorubas are blocking us" conspiracy ranting. Onne seaport is not only functional, but in many ways better run than Apapa, so why don't all these Igbo supermen traders use it?

I've never even heard of a "Yoruba for Freedom" group before now, and I strongly suspect it doesn't exist. Any clown can call himself a member of some made-up group and make ridiculous demands, and given how much anti-Tinubu propaganda has been flooding this forum lately, I am 90% sure this is just one lame "Obidient" who isn't even Yoruba trying to make up something to stir up tribal animosity.

nairalanda1:
It's not necessarily about the money...cities, even in developed areas , have more amenities, life, opportunities, and crucially entertainment than the villages.

I like using the internet. Even if I was sent by the state to a village, and paid a million naira monthly, can the state guarantee me that I would have the same level of internet I get in the city, compared to the village, where I would most likely get 2g internet? Or none.?

Can the state guarantee that I can get good schools in the village like the ones in the city? Especially if the school is a private school like the posh ones in some cities?

Even if Nigeria was developed, the trend these days is for people to move to the city. Rural areas don't get much in terms of money for development. The city is where it is at.

Sure, cities are more attractive, but that still doesn't justify treating fresh university graduates like slaves to be deployed willy nilly. For one thing, there is a huge hidden opportunity cost to robbing people at the peak of their physical and mental powers of an entire year in which they could be honing their skills, building the companies of tomorrow that will power the country out of its economic stagnation. How old were Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg when they started their businesses? Imagine if the USA had forced them to spend that initial year of their lives teaching in primary schools in the middle of nowhere?

As for the notion that no amount of money will convince people to willingly move to the countryside, I think the evidence strongly argues to the contrary. At this very moment large numbers of Nigerians are risking their lives making dangerous crossings through the Sahara desert and the Mediterranean ocean, all in order to try to make money working as underpaid illegal immigrants with no rights, perpetually living in fear of the police. How many of those wouldn't gladly take 2x a city-based teacher's pay to teach in Nigerian rural areas instead, where they would be treated with respect rather than meet the racist contempt they are guaranteed to face in Europe?

In any case, there is a more economically sensible way to deal with a shortage of skilled workers in Nigeria's rural areas, assuming LGAs and state governments refuse to do their duty: rural residents can simply move to the city. This is an option no one needs to tell them to take, as we see it happen every day in huge numbers. Were it not for the relative lack of birth control in the countryside, this shift in the population would be easier to see. There is no country in the world with a functioning economy where large numbers of highly-skilled people are forced into relatively low-skilled rural labor during their prime years - you only see such things in communist basketcases like China during Mao's "Cultural Revolution" in the 1960s.

nairalanda1:
Because you live in the city, where there is a glut of professionals to serve you.

Village people on the other hand, don't have enough medical people for their health centers, and teachers for their schools...that is where NYSC comes in.

That doesn't mean Nigerian university graduates should be forced to spend an entire year at the start of their professional lives in indentured servitude. If villages need teachers and doctors, let their LGAs and state governments pay hardship bonuses to those willing to live in the bush.

GboyegaD:
How much is sewage and thrash relative to minimum wage in the US and compare the same to Nigeria?

That's irrelevant. What matters is how much the services cost to provide, as operators have to cover their costs and still have enough left over for it to be worthwhile - otherwise they could simply invest their money in the bond market and rest easy. Too many Nigerians have an attitude of entitlement, expecting others to give them goods and services for artificially low prices (or even free) as if others owed them simply for existing.

CSTRR:
The stereotype that the vast majority of Yoruba are rascals and bigots is finally sticking.


Go to Twitter and see how the best and brightest among your people have turned to a joke because of tribalism.

People like you are representing your tribe very well.

Continue your dance of shame.
You people have decided to join your long term ethnic reputation with that of a drug dealer.

We will be here to remind your people of your history when you try to deny it.

Keep at it.

What exactly do you think this post of yours proves, with all its sweeping generalizations, other than that you yourself are the epitome of the tribalistic bigotry you claim to condemn?

CSTRR:
Diplomatic passports are for citizens of a country.

If you were not an illiterate, you would see that they have just incriminated tinubu.

Tinubu filled a govt form and said he is not a citizen of any other country.

He has committed perjury by lying to the court and that is a crime.

Did you not bother to actually read the article, or did your eyes glaze over the following bit because it failed to confirm your pre-existing prejudices?

Responding, the Embassy of the Republic of Guinea stated that “the diplomatic passport is issued only by the Presidency of the Republic.”

It, however, failed to “confirm the authenticity of this passport.”

In other words, there's still no proof that this is anything more than yet another piece of Photoshopped propaganda. The OP's editorializing title takes as a given what is in fact contradicted by the content he posted.

naijamanyoutube:
You say you have better things to do, but your multiple posts on Nairaland says otherwise.

Sorry that I made you feel inferior, but I was just spitting facts. You can't give what you don't have, so next time stay away from topics you don't know much about, especially when there are people with more knowledge and experience than you. Now go on and do better things with your time.

God, you are one pathetic loser!

Ohislee:
I got banned by the mod for replying a Tinubu supporter, saying obidients outnumbers bat supporters on social media and on the street.

If this is not suppression, tell me what is? People have experience of what they are talking about.

There are at least 2 problems I can see with what you say, namely

(1) without sharing a verbatim copy of what you actually wrote, it's impossible for the rest of us to judge whether something in the manner of your response violated the forum's rules,

(2) how can you know for sure the identity of whoever banned you? Last I checked, Nairaland doesn't divulge that information.

For what it's worth, I too was banned for several days not long ago, for pointing out to a troll slandering Wole Soyinka that the man had spent nearly 2 years in solitary confinement on behalf of people whose descendants now insult him at every opportunity. My comment was deleted, but the troll's tribalistic insults were left to stand. From the context it seems fairly clear what the likely background of that flagrantly biased moderator was, but I didn't see any info that would have allowed me to blame anyone in particular for certain.

The point I'm getting at with the above is that you can't simply jump to the conclusion that Mynd44 (or anyone else in particular) is to blame anytime you experience what you consider a bad moderation call. What I've seen you and many others on here engage in is what's known as brigading - acting in concert to focus all your discontent on Mynd44 in particular in the hope your campaign will push Seun to get rid of him regardless of the full facts (which you can't possibly have).

Given how badly so many "Obidients" react whenever someone says something they don't like - even when the person has openly campaigned and voted for Peter Obi - I find it hard to believe that any moderator would seem "unbiased" to you unless s/he was allowing you all to run riot while suppressing any critical voices. All of the irrelevant accusations on this very thread certainly feed into that well-justified suspicion.

Ofunaofu:
Obembet,

This is not a CR7 vs Messi banters


I know what I am saying

I have been a victim of his bias nature because of I different democratic choice on this forum

It's a strange kind of "victim" of "bias" and "suppression" who nevertheless continues to freely post irrelevant accusations that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread. You remind me of the character in the attached image ...

naijamanyoutube:
Na your delusion pass o! You dey put mouth for wetin you no know. You spend a lot of time on Nairaland, but still claim you don't have time to spare. lol

Only a fool will take your advice over mine. I've lived and visited many Spanish speaking countries, and I've also visited Brazil many times.

It's like you are telling people that they just need to enter the US and they will become rich, while I'm telling them it's not that easy o! That they will need to work and stay focused to make it. But you dey pull out google to show say the GDP for America big pass the one for Naija. Abeg sit down.

You keep on ranting until you've worked that inferiority complex out of your system. I have better things to do with my time ...

naijamanyoutube:
Misleading generalization is what you are pushing. I live this everyday. You have zero experience. But you dey here dey spout "rigorous research". lol

There are thousands of French words in the English language, that doesn't mean that many Nigerians understand French.

Only lazy people will listen to you, and they will get a wake up call when they arrive Brazil thinking they can get by with Spanish and not make an effort to learn Portuguese.

Whatever. You're the one putting the fragility of your ego on display through delusional ranting.

Kobojunkiee:
These are two consenting adults for Pete's sake! The man knows why he chose her for peace of mind. Why not celebrate with him?

As consenting adults they are free to do as they like, but that doesn't mean they have a right to be free from criticism afterwards. Unless this young man has some sort of bizarre granny fetish, all I see here is self-loathing combined with desperation.

To marry for permanent residency in a western country is one thing, but why does it have to be to a woman who looks old enough to be his grandmother? Were there really no other candidates he could find? Why couldn't he pull the usual African desperado act by finding some fat, lower-class white woman to tie himself to? Even that would be less cringe-inducing than this frankly disgusting sight.

Ofunaofu:
Mynd44


Your actions here is becoming so unbecoming

Are you a nairaland MOD or a Tinubu MOD supporter planted here to suppress, delete and ban dissenting opinion

How exactly has he suppressed, deleted or banned dissenting opinion here? How does his merely stating facts constitute any of those things? This may shock you, but someone saying something you don't want to hear doesn't mean they are in any way "suppressing" you.

onumadu:
I don't want to get into argument of whether Peter Obi did what you said.
There is a simple way to verify such allegations.
If you know Igbo people very well, you would know that they have zero tolerance for bad presidents.
Go through their voting records in Nigeria's history.
They consistently voted against BAD leaders even when they ran with Igbo Vice presidents.
Consider this:
Gov Soludo of Anambra state did not support Peter Obi (I'd say out of jealously because he Soludo thinks he should be the one to run for that office whenever), but Obi still won the state overwhelmingly.
Why is that?
Did you see the type of ovation Obi received when he showed up during Soludo's one year anniversary?
Why is that?
If you know Igbo people, you would know that anybody they accept as leader is the best among the rest.
Go and verify.

Is Peter Obi a saint? No. But in the context of Nigerian politicians, if anyone qualifies to be called one, Peter Obi is it!

Consider this: Tinubu could not win Lagos state, a state he governed for 8 years, and despite MASSIVE RIGGING.

When people talk about sentiments and emotions, they are referring to the sort of rhetoric you're using here. A sentence like "If you know Igbo people very well, you would know that they have zero tolerance for bad presidents" is nothing but raw sentiment, believable only to those already pre-inclined to believe it out of ethnic sentiment (i.e. other Igbos). Why would any reasonable person expect others to accept that his or her own ethnic group has an exclusive lock on objectivity and a desire for merit? It's the height of ethnocentric egocentricity to say such things with a straight face and expect to be taken seriously.

israelmao:
Fashola performed some feats in Ministry for Works and Housing to be candid but that doesn't exempt him from telling some lies and making some excuses.

You seem like a reasonable fellow (unlike some of the others bashing Fashola above), so let me ask you this: where was the lie in what Fashola said? Is security not a problem along that route? Haven't there been multiple attacks and kidnappings even on the trains running on the newly built tracks there? If even train passengers aren't safe from such attacks, how exactly are ordinary construction workers supposed to manage while working out in the open all day long?

It would be one thing if Fashola were also the minister for internal security, but that isn't part of his job description. Let's place the blame where it is due, with the useless Buhari who has squandered the last 8 years refusing to decentralize the Nigerian police, in spite of its decades of failure and rampant corruption.

naijamanyoutube:
You are quoting articles with no experience whatsoever, meanwhile I live it on a daily basis. Anyone who believes you will find out the hard way when they get there. Do you speak Spanish or Portuguese? If not then it's useless arguing with you. But if you do, then let's speak and the phone and put it to test and see how much an educated man like you understand.

Yawn. I have no interest in, or time to spare for, any kind of d***-measuring contest with strangers over the internet. Feel free to believe whatever helps you sleep at night: for my part, at least I've ensured that those who are able to distinguish between anecdotes and rigorous research have the necessary information at their fingertips to counter your misleading generalizations.

Kobicove:
Since she did not study engineering in school I wonder if she has the competence to do basic troubleshooting if the train develops a fault and stops in a dangerous spot

That isn't a train driver's job, any more than it's an Uber driver's job to troubleshoot the engine in an electric car. This isn't a role that should require a university degree.

TemplarLandry:
She looks smashable.

Here you see a young woman who has overcome the overwhelming misogyny in Nigeria to get to where he is, and this is all you have to say? What next, reducing her to body parts? Shameful.

North4Obi23:
Have you been to US and which part of US do you want to cite? You're a liar writing trash you practically know nothing about.

Like I said, you're just another intellectually impaired "Zombidiot" too lazy to read (and incapable of understanding even if you tried). All you can do is fling insults around like a chimp throwing its dung at zoo visitors, and even there you're so unimaginative you simply re-pasted the exact same line of offal you did before.

Not that I expected any better of you: an "Obidient" able to hold a rational discussion instead of spouting insults like a Tourette's sufferer is as likely as a dog reading a newspaper. I know the likes of you are ineducable and will keep regurgitating your inane propaganda until you run out of phone minutes, but it's important for others to see just how intellectually hollow your gibberish really is. Keep on blaming INEC for the failures of your silly personality-cult with its crooked demagogue of a "savior": May 29 will be here soon enough, no matter how loudly you and your ilk scream your conspiracy theories or how much abuse you fling at anyone who dares to pop your bubble of copium.

North4Obi23:
Have you been to US and which part of US do you want to cite?

Look, you foul-mouthed imbecîle, I lived in the USA for over a decade, earned my degree there, worked there, and traveled all over the country. Maybe international travel is something rare and wonderful to you, but we don't all exist in your wretched and miserable condition.

You're a liar writing trash you practically know nothing about.

You're just another thick-as-a-brick "Obidient" quick to spout insults rather than engage with facts even when they are laid right in front of your lazy eyes. Did you even bother to read the Economist article I linked to? Imagine the gumption of someone too lazy and dim-witted to read a freely available article calling someone else " a liar writing trash you practically know nothing about"! You've perfectly described your own self, though you are too slow on the uptake to realize it.

You know what? I'm feeling generous, so here are a few more articles you could have found yourself if you weren't a lazy Obi-cultist afraid of encountering information that would burst your bubble of fantasies.

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/the-history-and-role-of-poll-watchers-in-us-elections/5613917.html

https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/poll-watchers

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/poll-watchers-election-trump

No doubt you'll claim these are just "lies" and "APC propaganda" and then return to spouting your lame propaganda between bursts of flinging random insults around like a chimpanzee in a zoo flinging its own faeces.

ogugwa1992:
What then are the options before the Obidient Movement going forward? Form a formidable opposition base and hold government accountable. Strategically organise instead of consistently agonizing online. No matter how much we shout or wail, it will not change the technical interpretation of Nigeria's constitution or the law. Threatening members of the tribunal or making derogatory remarks against the judiciary won't make them issue a ruling in our favor.

Sound advice, but bound to fall on deaf ears. "Obidients" prefer to console themselves with made-up nonsense about Abuja's special veto and Guinean passports rather than engage with trying to build up an organization that can come back and win outright in 2027. The latter would require actual work and reaching out to others instead of repetitively posting the same stale propaganda and flinging insults online.

One thing we can do, is set standards with which we can hold in the incoming administration accountable in its delivery of the dividends of democracy as well as its campaign promises to Nigerians.
Again, I admonish us to tone down the heat and the verbal altercations online. Let's be civil in our communications. We can disagree without insulting one another or setting the nation on fire with our unguided utterances. We have no other home but Nigeria.

Again, this is asking the impossible. Insults, threats and inflammatory rhetoric are the bread and butter of the "Obidient" movement. You might as well be asking them to refrain from breathing air!

KanwuliaExtra:
Imagine the nonsense. . .
After spending billions, the parties should also do the work of INEC and the sleeping security operatives too?
Even where the parties provided their own agents, what happened with INEC TIPPEXING AGENTS?

You clearly don't know how elections work in other countries if you can say something so ridiculous. The purpose of having parties post their own agents at polling centers is so that the parties can verify for themselves that nothing shady is taking place. The intention is to prevent just the sort of situation we're seeing now, where the LP is screaming "rigging" in places where it never bothered to place agents, leaving one to wonder how exactly it could know that an election it didn't monitor was "rigged" ... Go tell the United States and other developed countries that election monitors aren't necessary because elections can simply be left to some government agency.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/11/08/as-america-votes-there-are-more-eyes-on-its-ballot-boxes-than-ever-before

Bottom line: INEC was right, and the LP was negligent in failing to provide its own monitors at so many centers. This failing is one of the reasons why Peter Obi's attempt to challenge the election results is doomed to failure. You can't claim "rigging" of an election you didn't even bother to oversee.

naijamanyoutube:
You are the one over exaggerating. I lived in Uruguay for 6 years and I'm fluent in Spanish. I moved there when I was 18 years old. I too had to study Portuguese to understand it. And all my Uruguayan friends that never studied Portuguese don't understand jack. And these are people that have even been to Brazil on vacation. And same with my Brazilian friends and people I came across while there.

When it's written, it's easier to try to make out what it means, but when spoken, even slowly, it's hard. I communicate in Spanish and Portuguese almost everyday, and when I mistakenly switch language with the wrong person, they get lost and I'd have to repeat in the correct language.

You're just stating your own personal anecdotes here, when I've already pointed out that I could do the same. Your personal experience proves nothing about the general case. Personal anecdotes are not the basis for making such sweeping judgments, only objective, peer-reviewed research can.

https://blog.lingoda.com/en/what-languages-are-spoken-in-brazil/#:~:text=Spanish%20speakers%20in%20Brazil,is%20estimated%20to%20speak%20Spanish.

4% is not much.

A blog post by a random company is hardly comparable in credibility to the peer-reviewed article I gave you a link to, an article which has actually received 127 citations. Here are more peer-reviewed articles on the subject.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14790718.2017.1350185
http://www.lrec-conf.org/proceedings/lrec2014/pdf/1183_Paper.pdf
https://ejournal.ummuba.ac.id/index.php/pbi/article/view/203