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PointB:
Again you failed to read your own text.

These are group of protesters. The text from the section you posted said 'person' The law has the choice to include group of persons. But some reason, it failed to do so.

Third-rate sophistry from a clown who's watched one too many episodes of "Suits" and now thinks he's a lawyer.

You're free to start a one man protest to arrest the protesters for sedition, since you know more than the writer of the law you so quoted, Mr. Full Literate.

Luckily for me, and sadly for coup-sympathising sore losers like you, I don't have to run around ranting and raving to get my point across: the government needs to enforce the laws on its books, particularly the ones focused on attempts to illegally overthrow said government. From the amount of wasted effort you've put into justifying these criminals, odds are you're one of them, and hopefully you'll soon be joining the other lawless creatures behind bars where you all belong.

PointB:
Think? I posted your link back to you, Obviously, you didn't even read the iink you posted.

What is "iink"? You can't even take the time to spellcheck, yet you feel qualified to lecture me on reading a link!

Not all seditious act requires prosecution, much less that of justifiably angry, disenfranchised protesters.

The laws on sedition do not care how " justifiably angry" or "disenfranchised" some embittered internet ranter may feel the agitators to be. Calling for a coup is a crime against the laws of Nigeria. See

https://journals.unizik.edu.ng/index.php/lrj/article/download/52/52/106

or

https://jurist.ng/criminal_code_act/sec-51

which says

(1) Any person who‐

[L.N. 112 of 1964.]

(a) does or attempts to do, or makes any preparation to do, or conspires with any person to do, any act with a seditious intention;

(b) utters any seditious words;

(c) prints, publishes, sells, offers for sale, distributes or reproduces any seditious publication;

(d) imports any seditious publication, unless he has no reason to believe that it is seditious, is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction for a first offence to imprisonment for two years or to a fine of two hundred naira or to both such imprisonment and fine and for a subsequent offence to imprisonment for three years and any seditious publication shall be forfeited for the State.

Moving on ...

If you feel they have broken the law, maybe you need get off your arse and go to court.

And now you reveal yourself to be nothing but yet another semi-literate with no understanding whatsoever of the law. Individuals don't prosecute criminal cases, the government does - and yes, government prosecution of these idiotic criminals is precisely what I've been calling for.

PointB:
Because sedition is overt, it is typically not considered a subversive act, and the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition


Chop your own medicine.

What a ridiculous non-sequitur. Standing in front of a barracks and begging the soldiers to seize power is as overt an act of sedition as it gets! Did you stop for even a moment and think before typing out that nonsense?

PointB:
MC Oluomo was filmed, Tinubu was film asking supporters to snatch power and run away with it, bayo onanuga was brazen with his ethnic bigotry and doubled down on it when confronted. Same with FFK. So clearly no big deal.

Some of these actions may be criminal, but none are treasonous, and ethnic bigotry, while vile, isn't even criminal. In fact, there is no law against being a raving bigot, as long as one doesn't actually do anything about it.

These people calling for military rule in the protest are clearly misguided. But I doubt if they have committed treason. They are protesters.

Unfortunately for them, what you doubt or believe has nothing to do with it. Agitating for the military to overthrow a democratically-elected government is the textbook definition of sedition, and which is a criminal act in any country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition

These agitators need to be immediately arrested, tried and sentenced to long jail terms. Nigeria has suffered enough under soldiers who believe they have the right to tell everyone else what to do at gunpoint. You may like what they have to say because you're bitter about losing an election, but your sympathy for these seditionists counts for nothing under the law.

Horus:
Shooting them dead is not the solution; it is a peaceful protest. Every Nigerian citizen has all the right to demonstrate, as long as they
do not destroy public property or indulge in violence”

There is a gigantic difference between protest and calling for the violent overthrow of a democratic government, and these individuals have crossed that line. At the very least they should be immediately arrested and arraigned for treasonous sedition.

Eniitankorede:
They should have arrested all of them for treasonable felony. Calling for toppling of government is a treasonable felony offence.

It says something about the laxity of the country's law enforcement that these loons not only openly agitated for such an act of treason, but they also allowed themselves to be filmed in the course of it, so confident were they that nobody would ever hold them to account. Calling for the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government is sedition, not some act of "free speech" that should be tolerated.

HilcomTech:
Chinedu Gbadebo Rodes-Vivor lost because he was openly supporting BIAFRA, IPOB and insulting the Yorubas

Exactly. These trolls want to pretend that it was all due to an "Igbophobia" that is mostly in their heads, rather than what their preferred candidate said and did to alienate Yoruba voters. I wonder how many of them would vote for a candidate who pulled a similar stunt in the SE, even if said candidate were full-blooded Igbo and married to an Igbo woman. These are the same people who call Joe Igbokwe "Yorubakwe" simply for daring to back the APC!

Kobonaire4:
Still has a long way to go....if they can clean out the slums and then extend the raillines all the way to Epe and Badagri..plus bring in Lagos underground rail....then we can start talking

It will never be possible to clear the slums as long as there is unrestricted immigration from the rest of a country with 200 million impoverished citizens whose numbers continue to swell at nearly 3% a year. Lagos simply can't ever build infrastructure and housing fast enough to sustain all the migration that is incessantly drawn to it.

LikeAking:
It's fine, it's a great project, but it came at the wrong time.

Imagine powering the various terminal's with generator and the various consequences?

This rail line can't even serve up to 50k people per day, it can't generate up to 100k isd per day, yet it has gulped $2 bilion.

The $2 billion USD would have been used to build a world class has turbine that will provide 247 electricity for Lagosians. That will in turn create lots of revenue for the state and also trigger the industrialization process of Lagos State.

What would be the point of splurging $2 billion on power generation if the end result will only be fed into a dysfunctional grid? And how will the costs of all that spending on power be recovered when power tariffs have been capped too low by regulators, while Nigeria's laggardly court system makes prosecuting deadbeats almost impossible?

If you knew anything about Nigeria's electricity sector and how it is regulated, you'd be aware that there is already a surplus of power generation capability available, but most of it is lying idle because the grid can't handle it (hence "load shedding" ) and in any case the DISCOs can't recover their costs due to a combination of unsustainably low prices and customers who refuse to pay their bills.

millionboi2:
For what use exactly

Precisely. Nobody worth reading will be paying for this dubious "benefit", and all it will prove is that the people who paid for the badge are desperate to force their opinions down the throats of others, whether or not they are interested. In short, it will simply be a marker for trolls, and anyone with sense should leave Twitter for more sensible alternatives. Let Elon Musk handle the fallout from overpaying for Twitter and then running it into to the ground all by himself.

Seun:
Wow, you are actually right! I just saw this in my inbox:
> I never meant to remove Ishilove, but she resigned after I criticised her
> for going to the market while she was supposed to be working. Well she didnt
> submit a resignation letter, she just started saying mean things to me and
> said that was her resignation.
>
> The main problem between us prior to that was that I insisted that
> she must stop telling lies and half-truths and threatened to sack her if she
> did it again. Was that bad? (I also made her ban her bosom friend who
> clearly broke the rules. Hmm)
>
> Nairaland has reached a point where it is necessary to have moderators who
> are more displined, reliable, etc. People who can be told what to do and
> counted upon to do it faithfully every day. Our competitors are stronger and
> smarter and will surely beat us if we don't get serious.

However, you didn't express yourself the right way. You just broke rule 2 and rule 20. Too bad. 🤷‍♂️

There is only one scalable solution to problems like this: more reliance on automated tools, like the Bayesian filters used by email services, sentiment analysis based on NLP techniques, or Slashdot-style auto-moderation. Simply adding more bodies to the problem won't work, as they merely bring their own biases into the mix.

CodeTemplar:
This claim is flawed Seun. Drug trafficking news comes in randomly and the fact that one tribe is involved most cannot be conclusively interpreted as a campaign against that tribe.
I can decide to post news of ritual related beheadings but that's no proof I am targeting the tribe, state or region most involved in that type of crime.

Agreed. We can't stop talking about particular crimes simply because they are disproportionately carried out by certain sections of the population. Otherwise, we might as well say discussion of any of Nigerian society's ills should simply be ruled out altogether, from fraud to prostitution, drug trafficking, kidnapping, suicide bombing, etc. There is no such thing as a crime which is practiced at the exact same rate across all sections of Nigerian society.

LZAA:
Yarimo
Afamed
Helinues
and his multiple accounts
Ihordspy
Those accounts should be banned

You are at least as deserving of a ban as any of the accounts you mentioned.

Fucklove:
He's from south south.

So there are no longer Igbos from the SS? Or will this only last until the next irredentist pops justifying the region's inclusion in a "Biafra" map on the basis that the "Igbos of the SS" supposedly want it that way?

verybadmouth:
Why ban them when they can always create new accounts. Just make it mandatory to link your NIN or BVN to your nairaland account. With that you can easily curb scam and catch people that use hate and tribal speeches. Simple

1. That would be a gigantic violation of people's privacy rights. What happens when a government decides to then issue a legal order for Seun to give up the details of commenters said government doesn't like?
2. It would also mean nobody outside of Nigeria would have the ability to participate in the forum. The millions of Nigerians and descendants of Nigerians in the diaspora have just as much right to be on here as you do.

VawulenceProMax:
U mean like afonja, skull miner, developer, Igbo etc?

Um, "developer" isn't a slur of any kind - see, for example, "property developer" or "software developer". The term is certainly used sarcastically, to mock the pretensions of certain people, but sarcasm isn't the same as tribal insult, and it is a perfectly valid form of political discourse. Advocating for an end to tribalistic slurs doesn't mean we should go all the way to "snowflake" territory and start treating ethnic groups as delicate and endangered species in need of special protection - at that point, all scope for meaningful political discussion will simply vanish.

Omoawoke:
What of monikers with ethnic slurs. For example, a moniker like YorubasBastards , igboPig, why do u allow such monikers?

Exactly - one would expect such accounts to be banned permanently if this is going to have a chance of working. In fact, I'd go further and suggest a filter be added at registration time to prevent the creation of accounts with such monikers.

aderoju3921:
Hope they will use the high IGR to build toilets,lols and stop open defecation a.k.a Shotput,that is scattered all over Oyo and Ogun state.Hope they will use the high IGR to build toilets,lols and stop open defecation a.k.a Shotput,that is scattered all over Oyo and Ogun state....

And here we see another loon with an inferiority complex who is triggered by simple statements of fact about IGR data by state. I'm betting you are just another sockpuppet for "AnambraLastSon" to work out his deep-seated issues.

Bobbiee:
You are a bigot. I do not hate people, but I hate you and others like you, because you can't be classified as human beings. You disgust me. You know your kind are an endangered species and your erratic outbursts are just the pathetic attempt of the drowning man trying to stay afloat. Do not respond to me anymore you filthy bigot. I have no time anymore for your kind.

Look at this brazenly hypocritical tribalist without an iota of shame or sense. The very phrase "you can't be classified as human beings" comes straight out of the Nazi playbook of dehumanizing others, and is as foul as bigotry can get. Your type of rhetoric is what leads eventually to people being shoved into gas chambers.

It's ludicrous how thoroughly you typify the very worst form of prejudice imaginable, all the while accusing others who look like saints in comparison to you.

Bobbiee:
Like I said, you should leave your village once in a while. Anyone worth his or her salt would laugh at this last statement. Having lived in the east, the South South, the north and the West. You just make me laugh. Just four years ago, I spent a year in Asaba. The number of Yorubas there alone is at least 10% of the population. Enough so that many of the officials in the ministry and local governments are Yorubas. Asaba, being an Igbo state, mind you. And yes, any one who've even travelled through Asaba can attest to the number of Hausa/fulanis that can either be found by the road side or living rent free in shacks (mostly scrap yards where iron works are fabricated).

Anyone slow-witted enough to think his unverifiable personal anecdotes outweigh elementary logic - as you do - has no place telling others to "leave your village once in a while". I know this may be hard for a bush-pikin like you to comprehend, but some of us weren't born in villages to begin with! I've seen parts of the world wretches like you can only ever glimpse in your sad dreams, yet I still don't make the mistake of treating that wealth of personal experience as generalisable for everyone else. Save your anecdotal tales-by-moonlight for someone stupid enough to give a dåmn.

I'm just another laughable simpleton bigot texting from the comfort of his forgotten village and nothing more.

True, that you are. You think spewing lots of laughable dribble can cover up for the fact that you see nothing wrong in Igbos discriminating against Fulanis in the very same manner you claim Yorubas discriminate against you. All you've accomplished is making clear what you have a real problem with: not discrimination per se, but that you should be the victim of it. You're perfectly happy to cook up b*llsh*t rationalizations for treating others in a manner you'd never accept, even as you hypocritically scream "bigot" at every opportunity like a headless chicken running to and fro.

Bobbiee:
If they pay then it should be criminal for them to be refused housing. Unlike you, I'm not a bigot.

Lol, see projection! Is it a sign of your "non-bigotry" that you leapt to the assumption these herdsmen were unreasonably demanding free accommodation?

My issue is the common theme amongst Fulani herdsmen where they come to a place and forcefully habitate in that place without actually paying the rightful owners and when they are being driven out, they become aggressive.

This is the exact same complaint made by Yoruba landlords about renting to Igbos. It must be a sign of that "non-bigotry" of yours that you rush to make the very accusation against Fulani herdsmen that you hate when made in your direction ...

For your information, everyone now knows the dirty laundry of Yoruba bigots that many people have know for years. Many yoruba landlords refuse renting accomodations to non Yorubas/Hausas and that's a fact.

You say "non Yorubas/Hausas", but the truth is that their problem is with Igbos, for the very same reasons you find acceptable when Fulani herdsmen are the targets. The all too common claim made by Yoruba landlords is of how Igbos are all sweet and light before they are given accommodation, but they turn into obstinate, inconsiderate deadbeats as soon as they are taken onboard. It's an absolute certainty that the Yoruba landlords have a lot more evidence to back their position than you do against Fulanis, seeing as there are far many more Igbos looking for housing in Yorubaland than there are Fulani herdsmen seeking accommodation in Igboland. You're nothing but another brazenly hypocritical Igbo tribalist.

Bobbiee:
You think you will come to someone's land and demand to be housed instead of pay rent or purchase the property like everyone else. Igbos are too accommodating.

What rubbish! Where have they demanded to be housed for free? What they are asking for exactly the same thing Igbos complain about in Lagos - to simply be allowed to rent accommodation without discrimination. Unless you have no shame, you can't claim landlord discrimination is wrong in the SW while acceptable in the SE.

Sleekfingers:
This is an idiotic question.
Are all fulanis herdsmen? You guys just like to condemn an entire tribe, just because of some criminal elements.

Yet they hate it whenever the shared ethnicity of 99% of drug traffickers in Asia is mentioned. There are no bounds to their hypocrisy.

spagettiluv:
Op you are right igbos have bought all the houses and lands in Lagos,we are planning to buy Lagos goverment house in Alausa.
We igbos will soon buy the sea and oceans while we send the fake oba packing out of his palace.
100% of those who lives in lekki,banana island,ajah and other posh and Behind areas of Lagos are igbos while yollabas now lives in akute,ajegunle,makoko and other slumish part of Lagos.
Before 2050,Lagos will be owned by we igbos cos we are buying up every where.
We would be the governor one day and the coward filthy yollabas will be relegated to their brown roof republic in Ibadan and ogomosho.
Proudly Igbo

Deleting this as it was apparently sarcasm. Too bad it's hard to tell that from genuine thing on here, so full of such arrogant boasting has the site become.

Phoen1X:
One undeniable fact is that any yoruba ancestrial land not sold now will be sold later,...of curse,to the highest bidder,and the proceeds to the latest aso ebi and owanbe supermarket.

And later on your kinsmen will be running around pretending the likes of you don't exist while lamenting about being "hated for no reason" ...

Corona22:
How many Yoruba people have you met ? You’re judging 70% of a tribe of millions by the paltry few you come in contact with or you debate with on Nairaland ? Then you assume we are all tribalistic , don’t you see that that particular assumption is … tribalistic ??

The person you're responding to is a diehard tribalist who is immune to any efforts at pointing out the glaring hypocrisy in his position. Unfortunately, far too many other people think just like him, especially in the LP since Peter Obi took it over. It's precisely for that reason that it was so easy to foresee Obi coming the distant third he did: they seem to think all those "Afonjas" and "Abokis" they were mocking would ignore all the insults and vote for their candidate anyway, and now they have the nerve to talk of a "stolen mandate" having never stood a chance in the entirety of the core north or the SW outside Lagos, thanks to their own self-sabotaging arrogance and rudeness ...