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PhysicsQED:
If Nigeria is to be divided at all, it might as well be divided into 100 countries. No reason whatsoever that it has to be three.

Only two centuries ago, the French and Germans were still worshiping the accomplishments of the ancient Greeks.

Now people are mocking them as decadent and lazy. Funny how things have changed.

In theory, yes, but in practice (when reality sets in and people concluded their analysis) NO.

What would likely happen is that the three big tribes would likely head off on their own. Then there will be fracas/negotiation/war in the middlebelt and the remaining parts of "SS". After that, everybody will fall in line. My educated guess is that there will not be more than three countries out of Nigeria eventually (when the dust settles).

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=887083.msg10339020#msg10339020 date=1331023380]Haha

So why are the Yoruba the Greeks? I reject that in the name of Jesus. We are the Germans or at least the French, not frikkin Greece

Though if this recent story of my governor's spending is true, maybe there is some accuracy to that [/quote]No be me talk say you be Greek o.
Na you talk am yourself. hehe.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=887083.msg10338438#msg10338438 date=1331017132]Yeah. China is a country I am deeply interesting in learning about. East Asians seem to have build up strong, successful countries without necessarily relying on this concept of democracy.

[size=16pt]This democracy stuff, truth be told a lot of it is probably just propaganda.[/size][/quote]

I fell off the chair at this.

Anyway, we all know where Nigeria is headed. No dictator (whether benevolent or not) can keep Nigeria together indefinitely.
We already know that Nigeria is like a country formed out of Japan, Aghanistan and Greece: one part has a hardworking culture, the other is an Islamic state, and the last is a "father christmas" state.
What you get is a permanent state of chaos.
Please, no pun intended.  

The near best solution would be to divide Nigeria into three countries, each with a sizeable minority population.

Now, if your state is a drag on Nigeria, why on earth should you continue to get lion share federal allocation based only on land mass and population?
If your state is 9 million, but produces 500 engineers in four years, why should your state receive more allocation than a state that is 6 million but produces 5000 engineers in same four years?

How long should we continue to reward retrogression in Nigeria?

To put it in my own words.
If you are not producing enough university graduates in highly skilled areas`-engineers, technologists, scientists, programmers, architects/planners, doctors and nurses; then you are a DRAG on Nigeria.

Now, check your state!

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My name is Onlytruth, and I endorse this message!

[size=16pt]Nigeria may not be greater if… – World Bank[/size]

By DAUD OLATUNJI

ABEOKUTA – Vice-President, World Bank (Africa), Dr. Oby Ezekwesili said, Monday, that Nigeria may not be greater if it continues to depend on oil wealth.

Ezekwesili, who delivered a keynote address in Abeokuta, Ogun State capital, at the launch of the Feed Africa, organised by Olusegun Obasanjo Presidential Library, OOPL, in commemoration of the 75th birthday of former President Olusegun Obasanjo, advised leaders in the country to emphasise on human capital rather than what she called ‘non-renewable endowment’.

According to the former Minister of Education during Obasanjo’s tenure,” the issue of human capital is much more important for Africa than this incredible debate which goes on all the time about oil wealth.

Oil wealth never creates the basis for economic development. This is the truth. The only benefit of oil wealth is oil wealth properly managed would enable you make an important investment in human capital to transform an economy. But simply sharing of oil wealth is such a lowly vision.

There is no nation on the face of the earth that shared resources from non-renewable capital, non-renewable endowment, and simply by sharing became great. It is the proper translation of the rent from non-renewable assets, endowment, the transition to physical capital and human capital that forms the basis of economic growth.

“It is from this place the countries that will stand in the ranking of great economies will not be the ones you see today. How much oil does Japan have? How much oil does Singapore have? Today, Singapore has become a country that the US depends upon concerning its science.”

Ezekwesili however argued that improving food security should go beyond managing fluctuating cost of food imports and traced the root of the problems facing the country to bad leadership.

While expressing concern on why the Africa, which according to her, possessed 50 percent of the current arable lands in the entire world would be having food crisis, she said “it can only be explained by poor leadership on the issue, poor policy around the issue, poor commitment to the issue, maladministration of resources, inappropriate investment to address the issue.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/03/nigeria-may-not-be-greater-if-world-bank/

[quote author=Dudu_Negro link=topic=883858.msg10337444#msg10337444 date=1330993063]^^^^^ this is good!!

this is bad vvvvvv
 

. . . . .it is bad because you need a proaction, not a reaction!   When 2015 land it will be too late to reverse dissapointments.  Your best action towards anything is under GEJ, your ally and a son of the SS/SE soil. 
I know you will respond demanding what Yoruba hopes to do,  . .  . .our politics is transformational as we are very good in the art of negotiation and compromise.  To stay alive in Nigerian politics you must master the art of politicking as Yorubas have done for years. 

I would love to see my brothers in the East begin a new HORIZON.  In order for something new and better to take root, the old and rotten must die and be buried. You have lived for Ojukwu in the past, he is dead and buried now. . . it’s time to live for yourself and your progeny into the future.  [/quote]@First bolded, I agree to some extent. However, it still depends on what he delivers before then. Ndigbo are beginning to ask some hard questions about what he has delivered, especially some projects very dear to SE, eg Enugu International Airport and Onitsha Niger bridge. I really hope he delivers those soon.

@Second bolded, Our future is inextricably intertwined with our past. If you are sincere you would know that our past actually empowers us in special ways to face the future. Ojukwu and Ojukwu"ism" will only grow in the East because he represented the best of the values we crave in ourselves.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=886679.msg10337326#msg10337326 date=1330990101]@Eze Onlytruth, you have stooped to a new low by posting a photograph which mocks some of the most marginalized Nigerians. Shame on you.[/quote]My friend sharrap dia.
They are not victims of war, but rather, victims of YOUR thieving Northern elite.
If it hurts you, go give them food and education.

Ngodigha1:
Onlytruth, please do not post photograph of wells here. You have just reminded me how one very early morning, I saw from my window an elderly Yoruba man unzip his trouser and urinated inside a well natives use for domestic duties. I feel like weeping for those people.

nwanne na wa for dis kain wickedness.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=883858.msg10327477#msg10327477 date=1330872610]Does this UN declaration prevent you from making your plans for a referendum known? Why the secrecy?  Since you are very knowledgeable about the UN, would you please provide the UN definition of treason and sovereignty?

My patience is running very thin with you and you are one silly post away from being called one name or the other.[/quote]I would guess that when indigenous people have decided to seek self determination, the bolded becomes MUTE as far as the UN is concerned. Of course rogue brutal regimes in Africa have been sidelining this UN General Assembly Declaration of 13. However, all the countries that experienced SERIOUS internal desire by groups to secede has since disintegrated.

Personally, I would admit that Ndigbo are still gauging things in Nigeria before deciding on what they want.
2015 will provide the needed key to that decision.

bakila:
Oh na so you fear death, Ikemba onlytruth ezeiboumubiafra of nairaland has started ranting like a fake drug seller well only one person in my family is less than 18
You will live and die a Nigerian, 4 the rambling I will reduce it to a goat if I am dead. When alive will bring cow, invite Bright Chimezie, SUNNY ADE, DANINDO to sing arise o compatriots Nigeria calls,
Will get a 13Yr old cook to prepare akpun miri. Will say here lies the corpse of another ,  Nigerian but Biafra in a closet.

The biggest fools on earth are the only ones who fear death. I say that because nobody owns anything on this earth; and I don't care who you are. I often laugh when idiots threaten to kill people as if they themselves are immortal. lol

If you curse me, I will curse you back multifolds.  

Meanwhile enjoy the picture I took in your village.  

So, essentially, if the North does not continue to get huge shares of allocation even bigger than some oil producing states, it means that "Boko Haram" is justified and by implication would likely continue?

Nigeria just has to disintegrate so that all these madness would end.

[size=16pt]North and Niger Delta’s oil wealth[/size]

By Ochereome Nnanna


MALAM Sanusi Lamido Sanusi fired the prompter. In an interview with Financial Times of London, he linked the Boko Haram Islamic terrorism to federal revenue allocation.

“There is clearly a direct link”, he said, “between the very uneven nature of distribution of resources and the rising level of violence…when you look at the figures and the size of the population of the north you can see structural imbalances of enormous proportions. Those states simply do not have enough money to meet basic needs while some states have too much money”.

That, surely, is a new, insidious, dangerous and shocking dimension to the rationalisation of the Boko Haram jihads and campaigns of terror in the north. Before now, northern “intellectuals” prattled that since Boko Haram is fighting just like Niger Delta militants did, there should be dialogue with them followed by a declaration of amnesty and initiation of post-amnesty goodies. Whoever explodes bombs and kills Nigerians should be given more of the National Cake!

And now, Malam Sanusi (who suddenly turned a philanthropist with the donation of Central Bank of Nigeria’s one hundred million naira to victims when Boko Haram attacked his home town, Kano) is insinuating that this “rising violence” is a result of “low” federal allocations to northern states! Now that Malam Sanusi has unilaterally tied this Islamic jihad to Niger Delta’s oil money, do not be surprised if a faction of Boko Haram begins to post online messages demanding for the increase of north’s share of the oil money as their condition to stop the cowardly killing of innocent citizens.

Already, northern political leaders have taken up the refrain. Governors of the defunct region met and demanded that any oil found beyond 200 kilometres offshore should be shared equally as “commonwealth” among the states. As if acting on cue in a well-choreographed play, the Arewa Consultative Forum (ACF), which only recently told southerners in the north that they were “free to leave”, rose in support of the call for more oil money. I wonder where Sanusi, the northern governors and ACF will be getting any oil money from if southerners decide to leave the north and form a country of their own, taking their oil and ports along with them?

Beauty of democracy

Now, I begin to appreciate the more that lovely expression: “beauty of democracy”. Given the level of apparent consensus (contrived or otherwise) that the northern elite have generated on this issue, it should not be so hard to imagine what would have happened were the army still in the pocket of northern power brokers. In the 1970s and 1980s, they would not even bother to canvass the issue in the public.

The Kaduna Mafia would simply hold their conclave and after getting the consent of the emirs they would instigate a coup. The military would proceed to write a couple of decrees and pronto, the oil money they are looking for is theirs. Any activist who raises his voice will be hanged by a well-briefed sectional-minded tribunal judge.

Now that Obasanjo has put the military beyond the reach of any ethnic or sectional power brokers, the north will have to work hard to generate national consensus around this need of theirs before the laws can be tampered with. And that will not be easy because the oil producing states will not be sleeping.

Going down the history of Nigeria since independence, the interest of the north in the oil wealth of the Niger Delta Region is not a new thing. In fact, it would seem only two things have made Nigeria attractive to the north: the oil wealth of Niger Delta and the ports in the east and west of southern Nigeria. They bring in about ninety per cent of revenue to the federation account. During the long period of northern domination of Nigeria, these two were among the strategic national resources that were put in the hands of the highly centralised federal government.

Capitalising on the contrived population “majority”, northern leaders split the country into states and local councils giving their region an unjust and unfair lion’s share of federating units. Federal allocation was shared among these units thus giving the north that contributes very little to federal purse the commanding share of the nation’s commonwealth. This also ensured that they had more senatorial and federal constituencies thus putting the north in a position to preclude changes in the structure of the federation which they did not support.

Majority of the problems groups in the south had in the Nigerian federation were traceable to the north’s desire to control the oil resources of the Niger Delta. After the first coup of 1966 during which the north wanted to pull out of Nigeria, it was the oil which the British neo-colonialists used to persuade General Yakubu Gowon not to allow his region to secede. It was this factor that persuaded Gowon to dishonour the Aburi Accord he willingly signed and create states in a provocative manner that forced the East to settle for secession.

Coups and counter-coups against self

The coups and counter-coups the north staged against itself between 1976 and 1993 were all efforts to control the federal government and therefore the oil wealth. The Abandoned Property saga in Port Harcourt was actually meant to drive Igbo people out of the nation’s foremost oil city so that the north would have unrivalled access to the oil wealth of the zone. The mysterious assassination of Adaka Boro while fighting for the federal side was a ploy to ensure he would not come back after the war and resume his struggle for self determination.

The arrest, trial, conviction and hanging of Ken Saro-Wiwa and the rest Ogoni Nine on November 10th 1995 was to get the troublesome agitator out of the way and to deter any further such agitation. In fact, the late President Umar Yar’Adua’s ultimatum for the Niger Delta militants to surrender and accept amnesty was a threat that would have resulted in an all-out assault to retake the region by force and reassert the stranglehold of the north on the oil wealth of the Niger Delta.

That northern businessmen are still firmly in control of the oilfields was affirmed by an article recently authored by Samuel Diminas and circulated all over the internet. It showed clearly how the oil blocks were shared among northern businessmen and by Generals Olusegun Obasanjo, Ibrahim Babangida, Sani Abacha and Abdulsalami Abubakar between the 1970s and 1990s. There is abundant evidence that none of the other three defunct regions coveted and secured access to the oil wealth of the Niger Delta as much as the north has done over time.

Oil as a commonwealth

Northern intellectuals have often staked their rightful ownership of the oil deposits in the Niger Delta. An eminent professor once claimed that the oil is derived from “bones of northerners”, which leached through troughs of the Benue and Niger Rivers! Another northerner on a radio phone-in programme, came up with earth-shattering claim that it was ground nut money that was used to dig the oil!

But those who realise how untenable such talk is settle for the claim that the oil is a commonwealth. Obasanjo, in his moment of candour, would tell you that the federal side and their international supporters went to war against Biafra because of the oil wells. Having fought and won “the war of unity” the oil becomes a commonwealth which those who led the war reserve the right to decide what they want to do with it.

There are also those, especially Niger Deltans, who firmly believe that after over forty years, the buffet is over. The oil is no longer war booty. It is now time for the owners of the oil to take control of their resources. All over the world, it is those who own the land on which a natural resource is found that lay claim to it unless, of course, they were vanquished in war and driven out or restricted.

On Thursday, I will focus more on the claim that “low derivation” payouts to the north are responsible for rising violence. Perhaps the oil has done more to deepen the poverty of the north and spread it to other parts of the country.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/03/north-and-niger-deltas-oil-wealth/

When are we dividing Nigeria?
All these talks of cows occupying land mass the size of USSR is not impressing anyone.

Only Imo state has more university students than the WHOLE North.

Give us our "3.14% of the area called Nigeria"; march off to your desert of greatness, we will not miss you one bit. 

bakila:
Or you do that. How old are you? You are no better than an almajiri you will soon be without a country. We will bury you a nigerian. Sponsors of criminal and political boko haram. Where is olodostien on a more concerned note. Hope you have not kidnapd him.
You will die and be buried a Nigerian and Nigerian Breweries product will be consumed at your funeral will probable send a cow.

You will die before me. Of that I am very sure. 
You are already dying. 

After you, EVERY ONE in your family will die.
Even your cows won't survive.
Then your whole town will serve a FOUR HUNDRED years sentence of sudden death.
No one there will see 18 years of age.

^^

almajiri I've been saying it in REAL life to whoever cares to listen. 

BTW how many cows did you hump today? 

Onyocha:
my advice to you is not to start what your Ikemba could not finish.dont start another adventure that will see the devastation of innocent lives and property.

if you admire him so much,you can feel free to follow him to the grave,but remember not to drag anyone else with you.

as for the funeral aspect,i'm sure you are hinting at Yaradua's funeral for its simplicity,which is a trademark of muslim burial.they do not keep their dead frozen like meat for over a month parading him up and down as was done with your ikemba.

I still maintain that you are a satanic goat though. lol
We don't care what you think. Keep it to yourself.

Biafra is the only thing that will even slow down Igbo rampage in West Africa because we will have to carry people along. If it turns out to be Igbo only country, then give us just 10 years.

Onyocha:
[b]if there is truly law above everyone, Jonathan ought to sack this woman tomorrow.

how can a minister of the federal republic of Nigeria be an advocate of biafra or appraising herself for it and still hold her job? this is confusion!

as far as i am concerned,ojukwu and the proponents of biafra are evil-mongers and greedy people.the igbo states are too small and unproductive for them to form a landlocked country.obviously,that wasn't the aim of creating biafra.it wasnt to give igbos a country.rather it was to take over the niger-delta and control it as "big brothers".it is all about the oil.

when i actually listen to people like dokubo asari,a muslim from the niger-delta,supporting his "igbo brothers",i find that ridiculous and mischievous.dividing nigeria would only lead to igbo domination of the oil-rich niger-delta and eventual war against the igbos by the niger-deltans.then ofcourse its a pandora box.

i hope all this civilian nonsense and silly statements would not lead this country's democracy to a failure which would see the army take over under the excuse of protecting the country's unity and sovereignty.[/b]

Listen here you satanic goat; your fear is more likely in Nigeria than in Biafra.
I tell you for sure that soon you will be begging Ndigbo to leave Nigeria.
We are already taking over everything and we will not stop until you beg us to leave Nigeria.
If you doubt me, take a look at how our late leader was buried better than a sitting president who died in office.

WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE!

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[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=885421.msg10335106#msg10335106 date=1330966974]Have you consulted with your Governors, State reps, and LG officials on this matter?  These superiors of yours, and leaders of your people, do not want a biafran nation.   [/quote]We don't need to consult them because they only have "terms" in office and most of them are closet Biafrans anyway.
When the time comes, ALL OF THEM will be championing the new Biafran national agenda. 
They are slowly beginning to identify with it OPENLY.

Still on the way forward. . .

I decided to make my own suggestion regarding the style of government best suited for a Biafran nation.
IMHO, I think that Japanese style or Israeli style of parliamentary system would suit a fast growing and fast changing country that Biafra will be.
It would enable us to keep the cost of government low as well as be able to change prime ministers very quickly.
I don't mind having 6 prime ministers in one year like it happened in Japan sometime ago.
The presidential system is too expensive and prone to corruption.

noblezone:
Still on the way forward!

I have stated in another thread that commitment to Our Dear General even at death is not just about his person, but also about the Nation of Biafra.

Biafrans must realise that as much as we would not mind "one" Nigeria, we should seriously be considering and be discussing the other option of a disintegrated Nigeria. We must not be cuaght unprepared and unplanned.

We should be looking into the future at this moment. We should be developing a blue print for our costitution, leadership/governent style and international relations.

We should be working on the blue print for total industrialisation as Africa will be looking up to us to lighten up the continent through Industrialisation.

We should do this bit and also teach the younger generation about the the spirit of Biafra. Even if it is not in our generation, the next generation will find some guide on the way forward when Nigeria eventually crumbles.

My brother I agree with all the bolded words POWERFULLY.

This is big, because this woman has international connections. For she to openly admit her role in Biafra, and that of her father, is a form of statement. More people will do the same.
Each time this happens, one more nail goes into the coffins of the Okija_jujus of the North.    

And this is the point I leave the thread once more.
Signing off

Onlytruth.

@Other abokis here.

When are we SHARING Nigeria?
We Ndigbo REALLY want out, and we will either leave or YOU must leave.
If you make a peaceful dissolution impossible, then be ready for a new 21st century style conflict.
Our fathers who fought in Biafra are having less and less say in what we the youths would do.
So, don't rule anything out in our resolve to leave. 

I don talk my own.

[quote author=c.fours link=topic=885573.msg10330429#msg10330429 date=1330921239]see coward. Nigeria will disintegrate by magic. fool
better go and grab your igbo made tankers we will meet you on the battle field.
shebi it's 2 million igbo last time, this time will be 80% igbo.
maybe then biafra will fit all of you comfortably.[/quote]Anyway why am I even paying attention to a goat. lol
Just like your fathers are trooping to the East to identify with Ojukwu, if you make peaceful dissolution impossible, then you will get a violent disolution.
Go and ask your fathers what they saw in Biafra when they were attacking and we were ONLY defending.
Let's wait and see if we will wait for you again in Igboland.

You must go, or we will force you to go.

[quote author=c.fours link=topic=885573.msg10330421#msg10330421 date=1330920914]^
stop making noise already and go grab your gun. yeye fowl.
abi you no get backbone?

boko haram for example does not need to make noise. their action speak for them.
so also, let your action speak for you.

all your noise is just bringing disgrace to you if you don't know already. big mouth empty head.[/quote]Believe me, you people don't want us to grab a gun again, because if we do, we will likely chase you all the way to the Mediterranean or Sudan.
You keep the taunting coming.
What I know for sure is that Nigeria MUST disintegrate. It is only a matter of time.

^^

Yes we love it JUST LIKE THAT.

Current Super Eagles is us (Igbo) 80%.
We have 30 TRILLION cubic feat of gas, just in Anambra state alone ( I don't want to mention oil or other natural resources). 
We have the ONLY private car manufacturing company in West Africa using 70% LOCAL materials. 
We have the most skilled and educated work force in Africa. 
I cannot even begin.

Y'all are DEAD WEIGHTS on our backs.
We want OUT.

So, all the aboki in the house, when are we breaking up Nigeria?
The country is a big wedge on the psychology of the black man. If not that my people Ndigbo have demonstrated their abilities OVER AND OVER again in Nigeria, some of us would have been deceived by your lies.
Like I stated before, EACH state in Igboland, from Ebonyi to Rivers, from Imo to Anioma, would be MORE SUCCESSFUL as a country, than the whole North combined with Niger republic.
Land is only as good as its occupants.
100 million cows in a land space the size of former USSR can never produce a single bolt in 1 million years.
So, go figure that.

We want out of that evil cesspit designed by satan to stop the children of God from reaching their manifest destiny.
Yes, BREAK THE DAMN country and give me my Igboland.