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I really would like a true census of Nigeria counting everything including income per capita. I don't see any other state apart from maybe Lagos beating Anambra. And for the counting to truly reflect this, state of origin should be in the census.

If you don't include it, the figures would be off, because for instance, you would not be able to explain the multimillion naira type of personal houses littering Anambra villages. My dudes ain't poor one bit!

If you start charging property taxes based on values of homes, then you get the picture.

~Bluetooth:
Do you know how much is given to each state from the federation account minus 13% derivatives accruing to niger delta states.what do you think those states would have earned if there is no such extra. .do you r own calculation and you will see that oyo would definitely go far than you expected.
Oyo had everything to have more than bayelsa that depend solely on oil wealth.

But they did not minus the derivations. That is why that chart is convoluted. It shows many oil producing states doing well, then, it suddenly included Oyo -a state with no oil and no other known economy dominating sector.

E be like say na Oyo man prepare am!  

Beaf:
Why don't you try to find out? All you need do is drive through the state. Enter from Benin, through Sapele, Warri; exit at Patani or Asaba. . . And change your mind.
In terms of development, it is really hard to compare Delta state and any other (except Lagos and Rivers).

You could be right about that. Una dey chop oil money na!  But don't worry though, we go soon catch una for that one too.

Ikengawo:
ok Oyo aside, what does Anambra have that Rivers doesn't have?
Is Onitsha really as big as Ibadan, Port, Kano, or Kaduna?

We are not just looking at population and oil money flowing into states by hook or crook using fake population figures.
Onitsha main market alone controls more money than Oyo state!

If you doubt me, go and try to secure the smallest shop there. If it doesn't set you back N10 million, then I'm wrong.
Meanwhile there are thousands of such shops controlling billions in daily business.

Beaf:
Delta state is by far richer than Anambra, even without oil. it is deservedly at the top of the per capita ranking in Nigeria.

The place is so developed that in a few years it would look like one huge metropolis.
The place is jammed with all sorts of niche industries. Delta state people form a very huge proportion of Nigeria's service industries (especially financial). Close to half of all the important media businesses are owned by Delta state indegenes (so much so, that we even gave Nigeria the Urhobo word, ikebe  ).

I could go on and one. We no de carry last!

Apart from oil industry in delta, tell me other industries there?

If we take it from citizens of each state controlling money, ol'boy delta has only Ibru. Anambra has many many people. One dude alone (capital oil dude) is controlling tens of billions of dollars in investments.

~Bluetooth:
Onlytruth. . .Is there oil in OYO state ?

What does Oyo state have in terms of money, education, commerce, industry or institutional investments more than Anambra? NONE. So how come Oyo is listed with higher per capita income?

That Oyo figure shows that this chart is trash.

Oil will remain the underlying income spinner for Nigeria for a long time. Nigerians are mainly lazy. Unless of course the country restructures with true federalism, then states with human resources will thrive. Either way, my state (Anambra) will kick a$$.

In fact when it comes to those non-oil based investments, only Lagos State beats Anambra State.

^^
Okay, let me drop state of origin. Let's just use commercial, industrial and institutional investments in each state to judge this.

It is still way off. Anambra has more of those than Edo, Delta, Imo, Abia, Akwa Ibom, Oyo, Rivers, you name it.
The only thing those states have more than Anambra is OIL.
Oyo is off.

Ikengawo:
i didn't know oyo had more oil then Bayelsa then. 
this isn't about oil.

oil is becoming less and less the factor in wealth in nigeria as the private sector is catching up fast.
people that think oil is still the only source of wealth in nigeria haven't been back since 1980 and still think that Tony One Week is whats reigning on the radio lol

The Oyo thing is what I call an outlier and truly proves that this chart is ridiculous.

What does Oyo have more than Anambra? Take your shot.

Oil will never lose its prime position in Nigeria. If you really want to measure per capita income, let's have a proper census.
If we have a proper census (complete with state of origin/income), I don't think any state is richer (per capita) than Anambra state in Nigeria. 

In fact, knowing Nigeria well, they simply added up the annual derivation funds (calculated at source-from federation account) and simply divided it by the population of each state. 
Naija sef. rolling on da floor.

To prove my point finally, look at Imo and Abia. The only thing both states have more than Anambra is OIL.

Not that I care much, but this graph is incongruous.  

Anambra is one of the most educated states in Nigeria, and has two industrial/commercial cities: Onitsha and Nnewi.

Even Awka has some commercial activities too.

There are many tertiary institutions in Anambra as well (there are at least 4 universities).

Education cannot be the criteria here because Nigerian graduates don't have jobs. If education is it, then Anambra must rank among the top. So what is the criteria here then?

One trader controls more money than 10 graduates (who are unemployed by the way).

Nigeria is terrible with statistics.

I know that this graph is still based on OIL income.

These figures are very specious.

I know that Anambra AS IS should be at least double what is here. Then, if you add individual financial assets of Anambra folks, this figure becomes ridiculous.

One of my towns guys just concluded a $30 billion investment in downstream petroleum in the whole 6 region of Nigeria. There are other guys like that in my town alone, not to talk of Anambra state. 

I also noticed that apart from Lagos, other states are OIL states. Anambra's oil is under "strategic national reserve" (whatever that means ). Just putting things in proper perspective.

KenGali:
@Onlytruth
Ikemba must not suffer from mouth diarrhoea, He is too important. His power to unite the Igbos should be used only as last resort and sparingly. The governors should play their games and that will serve. When ever Ojukwu speaks, he binds every Igbo and we become predictable. We do not need that now, and part of Jonathan’s commitment is that he should relate to us with trust, as we as avoid a divide and rule strategy. The true test of his perception of the old eastern region, is his ability to woo the majority of the leaders

I agree with the bolded. I still maintain that as at today, only Ojukwu can unite majority of Ndigbo around a position. Of course there will always be the minority rogue  elements in Igboland who think they know more than their fathers.

In a land where everybody knows everything, all are f00lish, and are usually enslaved by the most foolish outsiders.

Part of my mission here is to scold such rogue elements whose rebellious tendencies deny us of the unity we need to fight off our enemies.

So, of course the Ikemba doesn't have to say anything yet; but when he does, we will listen.

He has no equal in Igboland.

As for Jonathan, we are waiting.

To think that this man OBJ is still pulling the strings. . . behind the scene of course.

steroid:
I will try my best sha, some persons' names are only a faisal of what they express.

Nwokem I've told you that you are entitled to your opinions.
Quit being st00pid and stop masking attacks.

I'm not on steroids like you.

When someone is talking to himself in a public forum, what other evidence of insanity do we need?
Stepped over as usual.

KenGali:
I forgot to add, whatever happens, it is our responsibility and our best interest to ensure that PDP remains intact. If not intact, it must remain the most nationalised party. While its not the turn of Igbo's to be president', it is their turn to use PDP to control the nation and her resources. Just like the SW and North have done!

That is what I was thinking when I gave my conditional support to Jonathan. Younger folks here failed to understand me. That support is not a blank cheque. It is conditioned on the premise that Jonathan will treat the East like an Easterner, not just an Ijaw man(south southerner). If he understands this, I think he would deliver for us, at least till an Igboman takes over after him.

When this whole zoning thing started, I did not support changing it. When Ogbulafor was removed because he supported it, I lamented his removal. However, I remembered that the north has never abided by agreements either, starting from Aburi to Ekwueme's failed presidential bid. So, I felt the north should taste some of its own medicine. Betrayal is BAD. So, if Jonathan plays his cards well, he will get Igbo support, which he needs to convince the north that he comes from a sizable political base, else they won't take him seriously.

When I saw Edwin Clarke leading south south politicians to the middle belt for accord, I laughed because both regions don't have enough population to produce a Nigerian president.
Igbo say that "adighi ahapu isi aka agba uriom" (you cannot snap or click your fingers without the thumbs active participation)

So, we are still waiting for whoever will deliver for Ndigbo before we vote for him on the election day. We only need to work towards ensuring a block vote. We must not allow contestants to split our votes.

That is part of why I'm still waiting for the Ikemba to endorse a candidate. Only he can unite Ndigbo behind a candidate. That much is clear. If he still re-endorse IBB after the blast of the whistle, then he is unstoppable.
If he supports Jonathan, then, he stands a real chance. 

steroid:
Hope you hold his hands on the day of election like a kid would hold the hands of his father , ensuring that whatever he does, you do. Since your decisions are a function of another person's decision.

Maybe you are forgeting that his final decision is in his mind and not what he says openly- thats part of the game. Please reason like an upcoming politician

Ojukwu is my political father. No apologies about that.

In my book, he is the one Igbo man that I can trust to take a position that would protect me. If I have not learned to know my leader, there is no way I can ever lead anybody.
Ndigbo say" Onye fee eze, eze eru ya" We cannot all be leaders at the same time.

I will not try to convince you on this. We are Ndigbo, remember? You are entitled to your views, and I, mine.

steroid:
That's the sentiments I am talking about    be yourself

There is nothing sentimental about following your leader.  

Everybody cannot be leaders at the same time. That is recipe for chaos. That is part of why Igbos have been taken for granted in Nigeria.

steroid:
I am a full-blooded Igbo man, but not sentimental. You seem not to have a mind of your own.

from your posts so far, you seem not to agree with the endorsement of your "super model" but find it difficult to express same.


One minute you are speaking for support of GEJ, the next minute you are speaking for Ojukwu's favourite (IBB).

Where has all these sentiments led the Igbo? NOWHERE.

If we continue in this direction, then the igbo presidency will only be a lifetime dream. Cos it appears these sentiments move from one generation to the other-never learning.

Okay, lets play an imaginary political game called "FIxed positions".
I support GEJ today (against zoning), tomorrow, he sells me to the north and backs off. What are my chances of getting my due ever again in Nigeria? That is why fixed position is a st00pid position in politics.

That is why I said "in principle, I would support Jonathan". But my leader (Ojukwu) had earlier on (before Jonathan ever indicated interest) endorsed IBB. Jonathan has since made some moves to suggest he is contesting. He is okay, provided he does not sell us. We need guarantees that he will not sell us. If we can get that guarantee, his presidency will favor us. If we can't, we should move on.

I don't know more than that.

Ojukwu would certainly know more than I because of his position.

So, I would wait for his final say on this.

steroid:
are you supporting the endorsement or are you supporting Ojukwu. Please be decisive.

I have said it severally that you change positions to accommodate changing POLITICAL realities. That is politics. Stay one place and die.

Things are changing fast on the political terrain in Nigeria.

Ojukwu remains my leader, and he gets more "intelligence" on the true state of things.

Learn to respect your leader (if you are Igbo ), if you are not Igbo, wetin concern you?

bk.babe97y:
No, no, no! Tell us what u learned from your Ibo leaders! Jumping from one candidate to the other like the prosti*tutes u are! Your Ikemba has endorsed Gen.IBB; nothing to be ashamed about. . . . . by now u think the whole world doesnt know u for who u are?

gay who told you that the endorsement has expired?

Here to your next 100 threads in the cooler.

I'm laughing.

[size=14pt]2011: Jonathan won’t contest—Reuters[/size]

ABUJA— A REPORT published by an international news agency, Reuters, quoting a Presidency source as having declared that President Goodluck Jonathan was considering not contesting the presidential elections due next January may have unsettled the Presidency, yesterday, as the government immediately reacted saying President Jonathan was yet to make a commitment.

The news agency in the report quoted the Presidency source as having said that President Jonathan will, however, make his intentions known by the end of the month.

The Presidency, however, reacted to the publication, saying the President has not declared that he would run in the presidential elections or not.

The Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, had said that President Jonathan has the right to run, because he was previously Vice President on a joint ticket with President Umaru Yar’Adua, who died mid-way through his first term earlier this year.

But the party also said it would uphold the principle of “zoning” and that other candidates were free to contest at its primaries, expected to be held in September.

The Presidency source was quoted as saying: “He is not likely going to run, simply because his party has retained the zoning of the presidency to the north for the next four years. Though his party said he can run despite the zoning, the party said this because they didn’t want to offend him.”

The source said Jonathan would make his intentions public before the end of August. The Presidency officials who declined comment, added: “He is a man that always ensures equity and fair play, so he may allow the North to have their remaining four-year term if that will ensure peace and unity.”

A decision by Jonathan not to run would come as a surprise to many in the country, because never before had an incumbent leader, constitutionally allowed to seek re-election, withdrawn from a presidential race.

Scepticism

Recent announcements by Jonathan’s administration, from pledges to end chronic power shortages to the imminent passage of long-awaited reforms to the energy sector, have looked more like campaign pledges, heightening expectations he will stand.

Abubakar Momoh, professor of politics at Lagos State University, said:”Everybody knows that groups and interests are campaigning for him, and they are well-funded …

Nobody is deceived. I don’t believe in this idea of mobilising but then saying, ‘I’m not too sure yet.’” He added that  Jonathan’s failure to declare is “impinging on his integrity.”

But sources close to the president have been saying for weeks that he was concerned about the implications of ending zoning and about his own credibility as a candidate in polls he says he wants to make free and fair.

Presidency reacts

The Presidency, yesterday, reacted to the publication stating: “Our attention has been drawn to a report published by Reuters today, quoting “Presidency”sources as stating that President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan may have decided not to run in the 2011 presidential elections after all.

“Information at our disposal indicates that this is a story sponsored by interested parties. Unfortunately, the highly rated global news agency was misled into publishing it.

The truth is that the president has not said he will not run. Neither has he said he will.

“At different times he has given clear reasons why he considers it premature, in the interest of governance, to make any commitment both ways. At the appropriate time, the president will inform his country men and women of his future plans. Until then, every comment on the subject remains mere speculation.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/08/17/2011-jonathan-won%E2%80%99t-contest%E2%80%94reuters/

steroid:
He endorsed IBB, be a leader, don't wait to be led by some unscrupulous fellas all in the name of loyalty

And I supported that endorsement then.  Politics is a fluid game. Stand one place and get killed. I learned that from Obafemi Awolowo.

You cannot be a good leader if you cannot be a good follower. 

And by the way, Ojukwu is NOT "some unscrupulous fella". Take correction.

In principle, I am willing to support Jonathan as a southern minority man vying for Nigeria's presidency provided he will not connive to undermine my people in Nigeria.

Most of the so called northern Nigerian presidents were in fact northern minorities: IBB, Gowon and even Abacha. Only Murtala Muhammed and Tafawa Balewa were Hausa's. Buhari is Fulani, so I'll add him too. Abacha was Kanuri (unless I'm wrong). None of these northern minority presidents sold away the interest of the north.

My anger with minorities like the Ijaw is that they think they can undermine Eastern Nigeria and survive. No they won't!  
So, they should understand that. If their only game is treachery, then I assure them that they can never match the Igbo.  

Like I said before, in principle, I would support Jonathan. However, if he so much as sneeze treachery, then, he will not contest. In fact if he is not sure of Igbo support, he should not contest.

Igbo is split for now on this issue, but I'm sure we'll reach a direction later.

I'm still waiting for the Ikemba to speak again.  

marcdunu:
Are you saying there are no qualified Igbos who are good enough to hold one or two key ministries in Jonathan's cabinet?

We will also Judge Jonathan on merit when the time comes and for most of us, we do not approve of the the job he is doing.

Bros I don't even think ministerial positions is what Ndigbo need now. Yes, there are Igbos in GEJ cabinet with powerful portfolios (Interior minister for instance), but we are talking about other things, like normalizing the number of states and instituting a system of merit in Nigeria which would benefit Ndigbo.

You are right on other points. I'm following your flow.

paddy_lo:
ok who is the best man,among the bunch of characters parading themselves now?

GEJ,IBB,ATIKU,Shekarau?

if i was to rank them i will rank as follows

1. GEJ
2. IBB
3. ATIKU
-10. SHEKARAU

Ol' boy dis your ranking be as e get o!

Truth be told, there is no way GEJ is better than IBB in leadership, let's get that part straight. I'm yet to see GEJ do something without OBJ's backing. We are talking about courage of leadership now.

Kobojunkie:
Dude, make up your mind already. Or better yet, have a mind of your own so we know where you really stand. One minute, you are speaking of how it is Goodluck Jonathan for Ibos. The next you are telling us Ikemba makes the decision. The man already decided to endorse IBB. It is no secret, unless you expect him to renege sometime soon, in which case, I would not even be surprised.
Which one is it? Goodluck good for ibos or Ikemba's choice?

You mean you expect me to behave like the Igbo man that you can easily tag down for easy betrayal? Keep dreaming!

I will change into 1 million positions if it ensures that I put Igbo on top of Nigeria. No apologies there.

The weakest attribute of the Igboman in Nigerian politics is rigidity.

General Paton said: "Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's folly."

Kobojunkie:
Ojukwu has not been speaking all the times he has been quoted as having support for an IBB presidency?

He may still be standing on that position, in which case, IBB will get Igbo votes.

You may not believe it, but it is true.