₦airaland Forum

~Bluetooth:
[b]First,you said All nigerians voted for obj and now you are saying the ibo voted more for falae.[/b]Are you sure the ibo voted for AD that was dominated by yoruba ? Who did YOU vote for ? Who are the strong politicians the ibo have that could have stopped obj ?
the decision to allow a yoruba was ibb's idea and he wanted someone that wont put him on trial and also protect the northern interests.these are things Abiola was not ready to do cuz it was evident to him that Abiola may send him to jail if he becomes the president.obj was a product of northern decision and no ibo man would have stopped him and this is exactly what is happening to jonathan,no ibo man can stop him.it is a DEJA VU

Ndigbo are progressives in Nigerian politics. We voted (most Igbo and myself) voted for Falae. PDP rigged the polls (the outgoing military did) and handed over to Obasanjo.
Either way, a Yoruba would have won.
That is the bottomline.
Today Obasanjo is stabbing everyone at the back.

sjeezy8:
Since when was it Zik of africa vs the rest when THE PRIME MINISTER OF NIGERIA WAS BALEWA and Zik was second in command.

in 1979- Since when was it Zik and what votes did he win? 3rd

1999- Arthur Nzebire -  In 1993, he was a prominent supporter of the Association for a Better Nigeria, which backed General Ibrahim Babangida.

yea sure . . . . I think youre proving my point.

I dont have anything against igbo but it seems in history they like being second to Northerners- well the politicans atleast.

I dont know because no ones recognizes the VP- glorified boy boy spot
Only mugu fall for that - If you like being VP why are talking about 2015 presidency? You can win VP with a northerner go head! lol

I've told you that you talk like a kid. Zik was the President and commander in chief of the armed forces of the federal republic of Nigeria. Balewa was only the head of government. Zik was the head of state. He could fire the prime minister and call for new elections.
Who is more powerful then?

As for Arthur Nzeribe, a lot of folks don't know that he stopped Abiola and why.
Arthur stopped Abiola because when Abiola was campaigning, Arthur approached him to make demands on behalf of the east (that time Arthur still had CARIA -cross river, akwa ibom, rivers, imo and anambra state movement). Abiola said he was going to give the position of secretary to the federal government to the east. Arthur asked him "so the best you can do for us is to make us your tea-maker, eh?" That was it!

He approached IBB and told him he had a plan to nullify the polls. IBB didn't follow through that plan, else there would never have been an Abacha presidency. The rest is history.

We have people in Igboland who can do a lot to stop Nigeria from moving forward. That is why no one can push us over.

2015 is our year.

sjeezy8:
Not your cup of tea abi? how bout coffee cause[b] in 1960- It was Awolowo VS Balewa[/b], 1979- It was Awo vs Shagari, 1993 it was Abiola vs Tofa, 2003 it was Obj vs Buhari.

Cmon we know already.

What are you smoking?

In 1960 it was ZIK of AFRICA vs the rest! 
In 1979 it was Zik, Shagari and Awo.
In 1993, it was Abiola vs Tofa, and Arthur Nzeribe!
In 1999, ALL NIGERIANS ceded presidency (out of benevolence) to the Yoruba. (you conveniently left that out )
In 2003, it was Obasanjo who stole the elections(through incumbency) - Buhari won. 
BTW, 2003 will NEVER happen again. Pray that we let you rule again in Nigeria because you betrayed a sacred trust.

~Bluetooth:
Who are the ''All Nigerians'' you keep referring to ? There are many yoruba that did not vote for obj,his votes came majorly from the north.june 12 success was an evidence that yoruba are more active and it would have been successful if Abiola had followed the path obj pass through with the north but he just didnt want to.

OBJ and Olu falae (both Yorubas) contested in 1999. Ndigbo voted more for Falae than OBJ (though PDP rigged it). Bottomline is that if the Igbo and other Nigerians rejected the zoning of presidency to the Yoruba, heavens would not have fallen. The Yoruba couldn't do sh!!t about it. Frankly I respected Nigeria a little for that gesture then.
Well, what is OBJ doing since then, trying his darnedest to sabotage zoning and manipulating the polity to remain relevant. Pure betrayal of the same system that empowered him.

So, yes, ALL NIGERIANS agreed to cede presidency to Yoruba in 1999. Only one Igbo man called Arthur Nzeribe stopped Abiola. Do you think Ndigbo couldn't stop power shift to the Yoruba in 1999?
Some northerners are still angry that Yoruba tasted power in 1999.
They are waiting for an opportunity to pay you guys back.

All I know (and I suspect most educated and intelligent Nigerians know too) is that Nigeria has no future without an Igbo man enjoying his own 8 years at the helm. We are fixed on 2015.

~Bluetooth:
First and foremost,not all nigerians voted for obj.A consensus candidate was agreed upon and that person happened to be obj,so whether anybody voted or not,he was too sure to win that election.did you vote for obj ?
the fact is that yoruba are more political relevant than any other tribe and at par with the hausa before but with way things are going,the north seem to be loosing it and that is why ibb is bring the ibo to his cause against yoruba.

There was never a time the Yoruba was at par with Hausa in Nigerian politics. Not my cup of tea though.
My message to your brother sjeezy8, which you alluded to here is that the Yoruba would NEVER have produced a Nigerian president if ALL NIGERIANS did not cede the 1999 polls to the Yoruba. The same will happen again for the Igbo or it can also happen through zoning.

The Yoruba is not more important than the Igbo in Nigeria. If you doubt that, wait until the day Ndigbo pull out of Nigeria and see who would be left.

sjeezy8:
Onlytruth - theres NO "VP" that can sway yorubas votes - We want Fashola for president and hes not contesting in 2011, Mimiko whos party is now Donald Duke and Oshiomole not contesting either.

You think we fall for Mugu things - NO

And history shows yorubas dont go for  VP spot like Zik, Ekwueme, Sylvester Ugoh.- all igbos who have went for the VP ticket with Northerners.

IBB's VP trick always works with igbos- they didnt try it on the West- who wants to be boy boy?

H.ELL NO we dont go on false promises.

Frankly dude, I don't know who you think you are kidding.  
Do you think a Yoruba would have ever ruled Nigeria if not that ALL NIGERIANS agreed to cede the 1999 polls to the Yoruba?
Do you think a Yoruba candidate can win elections in Nigeria without zoning?
How can you forget things so soon. What do you think stopped Abiola?

Frankly dude I think you are really a KID.

Nigeria is what it is. Zoning is there for a purpose. The Yoruba won't rule Nigeria for at least 32 years. Learn to live with it.

excanny:
Pure twisting of facts!

Igbos had a communique with the Northern Political Leaders, not with IBB, to work together to address the imbalance in the country and also to keep to agreements.

We are not interested in hide-and-seek politics. Sincerity, concrete agreements-these are what we stand for, not SW mago mago politics.

I couldn't have put it more aptly.

These people (specifically sjeezy8 ) can't understand such simple things as upholding agreements. Check the history of this country and you would see who has been reneging on agreements from 1950 to date.

Obasanjo is currently championing the quest to trash the ruling party's agreement, after he had enjoyed it for 8 years. Same people would try their best to make this a south east vs south south issue. Not that we care anymore , because everybody else have been betraying the Igbo from 1950 to the civil war, till date.

All it takes for a northerner to make Yoruba turn against Jonathan at the polls, is to pick a VP from south west. They would likely vote massively for that Yoruba candidate.

As for the Igbo, I really think we should not go back on our culture of abiding by agreements. Not that the north is worth the sacrifice, but the international community is watching. A day will come when Nigeria will be discussed at the UN level. Then our case will be easier. This is important. We must not join the band of betrayers.

We must not!

excanny:
Keep lying through your teeth and playing 'ibadan' politics. 

Since you've got what you want, now it's time to busy your head in the sand.
Your i-dont-have-other-option except Jonathan is just selfish reasons, not for the interest of the country.

Hausa-Fulani tenure must be respected. Zoning is beyond PDP and will outlive it.

Don't mind that guy.

Anytime he rolls out that his ridiculous list of possible candidates for 2015, I wonder which country he is talking about.
Is it the same country that risk disintegration in 2015?

None of those candidates can keep Nigeria together if Ndigbo feel cheated out of their right to produce the president.

The other point is that there is an ongoing negotiation among ACN, APGA and a long list of others.

If that alliance talk succeeds in merging even only ACN and APGA, a very popular presidential candidate representing the alliance could actually win the polls next year.
In my book, next year is still verrrrrrrrrrrry far!

Like I've always said, there is no way of knowing who the Yoruba will vote for until all the candidates are known.
Same applies to the Igbo. But, you can be rest assured that the Yoruba will vote for any Yoruba on a ticket, even if only as VP. History shows that they never voted for any non-Yoruba when there is a Yoruba on a ticket.

All these information is necessary because we might actually have a free and fair elections next year.

I believe that in such a scenario, PDP is being unduly lionized. We are giving them more power than they actually have. In the Anambra guber polls, they came a distant THIRD.

Ibime:
Which Abam? Are they related to Abam House in Okrika?

No I thought Abam is the Ohafia. Could be wrong though.

Ibime:
^^^I said Jaja was sold to Anna Pepple house. Everyone knows Aro captured Jaja.

You see the European connection?

Last time I checked, there was NO African name like that except slaves or whites.
Ibime, una people came with Oyibo. QED.  

Ibime:
^^^ Every man who wants to have a compound in Ijaw land must first raise a War Canoe House. The more people you have in your House, the more powerful and successful you are. The War Canoe is mostly used for trade, although in times of war, you must submit the members of your War Canoe House for war purpose. The War Canoe is simply an administrative structure to ensure that each Ijaw City state has a ready-made standing army to call on at any time. Back then, they fight wars with each other on monthly basis. 


Typical War Canoe seats 80 people. A War Canoe House can have fleet of these canoes. Ijaws would often raid Igbo lands to collect slaves to beef up their War Canoe house. Jaja of Opobo for example was sold to Anna Pepple War Canoe House and later became the head of the House.

I'm sure they were raiding their Igbo neighbors like the Ikwerre and Ngwa. They never made it up river Niger.

Nobody raided Nnewi (Anaedo) from outside and got away with it. We had a very organized heredity based kingdom dating back to 17th kings. The British only met two Nnewi kings -Igwe Orizu II (Eze ugbo nya mba) and Igwe Orizu III (the current Igwe).

C'mon Ibime, its no big deal really. Everybody sold slaves in the east that time. I'm only trying to understand the "war canoe".

My Nnewi people sold social deviants and miscreants. We didn't have jails or capital punishment then. So, we simply sold dangerous criminals. We used to banish them from our land when they were convicted. However, when the white man showed up with slavery, we found a symbiotic relationship. We made profits from offloading our criminals.

We've always been ingenious businessmen.  

Ibime:
Ask EzeUche. . . him and his Aro brothers should know more about raiding slaves inland. . .

You swear say your people no raid slave? You fit swear am?

That "war canoe" is a slave ship I swear.

^^^

And if you throw in the cowboy hats, it suddenly starts to make sense!

Chineke me! Ibime!

Ibime:
How Forest people go dey yab Canoe people?. . . . we prefer to be called War Canoe people or Eleworukwo (Waterside people) like the Ikwerre call us. . . . 

Hmm. .

Ibime, I'm beginning to believe this story that you guys came with the Europeans.

Which one be "war canoe" again?

No be oyiba man come with war ship canoe? Which he used to raid slaves inland?

Dis Guy:
Taraba (its a state in nigeria just in case) to build another one, after abandoning the one by the previous governor


Taraba State government said it has set aside N10 billion to construct an airport in Jalingo, the state capital.The airport will be built with a standard of 3.3 kilometre runway, Governor Danbaba Suntai said at the Nigerian College of Aviation technology (NCAT), Zaria.

Former Taraba state administration started an airport at the cost of N2.68 billion but the contractor handling the work stopped. Suntai said the government had surveyed a new piece of land for the airport project.

He said: "But having bought all the equipment and everything, I came to the conclusion that the assignment of an airport was beyond his capacity. So I called him and requested him to handover the airport and paid him off.

"I brought in PW to complete the airport. When they went and assessed the airport, they came up with a cost of almost N10 billion. So when they came up with this cost and I discovered that I could only just add a little to build a new airport; they told me they could not give me guarantee, even though they will do it."

He said the issue of guarantee worried him. "So, presently we have surveyed a new piece of land for a new airport", he said.

Commenting on the state's capacity to run an airport, governor Suntai said [size=18pt]the federal government had shown interest[/size] in the project.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201008200159.html

there are some states in nigeria i consider 'useless' unnecessary  they need to be converted into huge farms so we can make money exporting the products and feeding Africa the people can be moved to other states!


this governor that has a personal hobby to become a pilot has just signed state money to a new airport, you will notice he didnt even talk about traffic, customers or anything with regards to the viability,  To be honest i think its about time Finance ministry, Aviation ministry and others start scrutinising what some state government are budgeting for, putting us in more debt with their useless fantasy!!
http://allafrica.com/stories/201008200159.html

You should have noticed why they are doing it in the first place. Imo state built an airport without ANY federal government support. Meanwhile Imo state is far more viable than Taraba state, but Taraba has ALREADY attracted federal government interest.

That is why Nigeria needs to be renegotiated/restructured. The injustice is unsustainable.

EzeUche22:
You say the Ngwa story is a fable but I doubt it since both the origin of the Ngwa and Ikwerre can be traced to Mbaise. And I am pretty sure Igbos were present at the time when the arrival of the Ijaws came to our regions. Remember population movement was common throughout Ala Igbo in which the Igbo spread in all directs from North to South to East to West. My Aro went East into the Ibibio communities.

Ijaws are not natives to the East. Ijaw language is a language isolate from the Mande-Congo while Yoruba, Igala, Edo and Igbo is Benue-Congo language family. I do not think these Canoe people are native to Nigeria.

I literally fell off my chair and was rolling with laughter! lmao!

C'mon now bro Ezeuche, you couldn't hate the Ijo that much!

This term "canoe people" is killing me.

Beaf:
^
There is a lot of motion in the power generation field. In the next few months, there will be billions of dollars to be made. That is on the business scene, outside of oil (further billions with the reorg of NNPC).
Anything to with national structure has to wait until he has a four year mandate. Its ok for mere aspirants to promise heaven and earth, reality (or deception) will set in when they are on the hot seat.

For now, Jonathan is doing the right thing by being quiet, after but September 10 when he has declared and the machine swings into full activity, una go hear from Johnny!
No rush.

The south east governors said they're waiting until all candidates have declared before deciding who to support. I'll tow same line.
A lot can still happen. I can only say that if Jonathan wins the PDP primaries, it'll be hard for Ndigbo not to support him.

sjeezy8:
no SW is going to support him because theres no one else to support.

hes should consider himself LUCKY- this 2011 is his year Best believe this oppurtunity aint gone come around AGAIN.

He should win first. I've learned never to underestimate Nigerians. There could be a coup tomorrow. Nigeria is unpredictable. That is why he should develop balls fast. He looks more and more like Shagari.

Nigeria is sitting on many big issues that needs to be addressed, fast. He should show leadership by speaking on one. He still has months in office and can still do a lot before May next year.

For as long as he continues to look clueless, he won't command confidence.

sjeezy8:
There is no yoruba candidate presidential or vice for 2011-

there going for 2nd term busy- So I know that jonathan has support in the SW. I know Ribadu and elrufai probably are going to contest- Oshiomole that can win votes in the middle belt, SW and edo isnt contesting.Fashola isnt contesting and neither is Mimiko of Labour party( the party donald duke is going for).

You cannot say that yet. Lets just wait!

The south west is sneaky in politics. We can't know where they stand until AFTER the elections.

Beaf:
Yeah, cos the SW has swung to Uncle Joe, so the cartoon is a lie.
It should be SW, Middle Belt and Kaduna PDP helping Jonathan up to the apple with SE only undecided.

South east may still support Jonathan.
I can't see them voting for a northerner over Jonathan. Its just the way it is, fortunately or unfortunately.

Some of us even think he is from Onitsha! 
It is well. Let him develop balls fast.

^^
this boy escaped to nairaland before but has been successfully recaptured.

To indulge him a little. .

I strongly suspect this story is about bk.babe.

[size=14pt]Boy shoots step mum with dane gun[/size]

From Kolade Larewaju and Gbenga Akinwunmi
ABEOKUTA- THE  Ogun State Police Command, Monday, said that it had been able to arrest 1,664 suspects in the last eight month, just as a 12-year-old boy, Mayowa Abegunrin who allegedly killed his step mother with a dane gun belonging to his grand father, was paraded alongside nine other suspects.

Parading the suspects at the command headquarters in Abeokuta, the Commissioner of Police, Mr. Musa Daura, also paraded two Chinese nationals, Mr. Long Chen and Yianhui Gong who were kidnapped while returning from a meeting from Lagos state. were working at the Free Trade Zone in Igbesa Ogun and were reported to have been traced by the suspected kidnappers before they were eventually nabbed at Igbesa.

Daura said the murder incident took place in Amusan Sapotu, Odeda Local Government area, while other criminal cases spread across the state.

The grand father of the minor, Mr. Moses Abegunrin, 65, explained that he was at the market before he was informed that the boy had used the Gun, which was inherited from the fore fathers to murder his step mother who was on a visitation to the village.

While the boy could not speak to journalists as he was weeping uncontrollably, Abegunrin said, “The boy was asked by the step mother, Modinat Abegunrin, to go and fetch knife and join them in pealing cassava but the boy refused. Witnesses told me that it was in the process that the woman beat him.so he went inside to take the gun which I had filled with bullets over two years because I a,m a farmer.

“He is my grand son, his father is an electrician, based in Lagos. He is in the village to leave with me because his own mother has divorced my son. But the police should free me because of the old age  I am not the one who killed Modinat.”

Daura noted that the command recorded no fewer than 12 cult cases and 173 robbery cases adding that over 5,000 life ammunitions were recovered between January and August.

“Our achievement in this command is the rescue of the two Chinese nationals, it is not for us alone but for Nigeria.

We were alerted and before the suspected kidnappers had not started negotiating the ransom before we stormed the place and we were successful to have rescued them.

“We have recorded six cases of kidnapping in this state while 57 murder cases have been recorded. This command has been able arrest over 170 armed robbers and recovered 154 vehicles in Ogun State.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/08/23/boy-shots-step-mum-with-dane-gun/

^^

Interesting cartoon.

.

sjeezy8:
LOL ibb knows he cant assure igbo presidency the only person that can assure igbo presidency is SS middle belt, ND and core north- thats whos voted count in 2015

Into 2015- SW, edo, middle belts (ATLEAST Kogi, Kwara,Niger, Nasswarra) and the Core Norths votes will SURELY go to either- Oshiomole, Ribadu, Elrufai, Fashola or Mimiko. - Who knows some of them might team up as vp and president.  

Theres no Doubt about it. No one cares about PDP zoning in the SW, core North,middle belts(Kogi, Kwara,Niger, Nasswarra)- If they have a good candidate from their region going for president or vice- Those region and states ill vote for him.

All mathematical junk as we may not even have a country in the first place after that.

You think anyone is deceived by all these nonsensical permutations? 
Keep dreaming.

There was a civil war that is yet to end.

@chyz

Thanks for all the videos. You make my day here. 

chyz:

Exactly! he was not our problem, he was the yorubas problem

He wasn't even the Yoruba's problem. The man made a mistake and has since corrected it by ensuring that a Yoruba rule Nigeria for 8 more years.

Abacha was the Yoruba's enemy. The man is dead.

sjeezy8:
lol- are you serious or kidding?

What are others saying about how to solve Nigeria's problems? Please educate me.

Beaf:
Even the famed Obj walked on tiptoe for the better part of his first term. It takes time for anyone to settle down, by his second term, he became the Obj we know. How long did it take Obj to tackle the army, even though he is ex-army?

Anyway, if the right of the SS is undermined by the SE, pay back will come in 2015 (if maradona has not performed according to his decieving type).

Believe me, payback is the last of our worries. We want our dues in Nigeria, and will not cede that right to anybody.

The so called maradona cared about south east more than other presidents Nigeria ever had. We felt his impact. Even now, only he talks about resource control, state police and balancing the federation. Others are hiding.

A chicken cannot turn into an eagle overnight. 

Ndigbo cannot be intimidated by anybody. Nigeria does not want our trouble, believe me.

2015 is ours. Bottomline.

sjeezy8:
and you should not deiceive yourself by thinking that ONLY two candidates from one zone will emerge again like in 1999.

lol- pull out of Nigeria because  Northerners are more likely to elect a northerner over a southerner? LOL

You and I know that there was no "south" at independence in 1960. All these talks about power rotating between north and south is cheating.
It is a way the north maneuvers the south. Ohanaeze Ndigbo have never accepted that zoning along north-south axis.
So let's stop the nonsense.

Do they want one Nigeria or not? That is the question.

And as some Yorubas are here castigation Igbos for thinking about supporting IBB, the man is busy making hay in the heartland of the same people (Ogun state) . What type of a country is this?
Why not go and chase the man out of YOUR own land instead of trying to chase him away from Igboland?

Duplicity from these folks knows no bounds.