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“We Yoruba are ready to tell them that we are born equal. Democracy is for all and we need to let them know that we know our right. We are not leaving Nigeria, but every one must have access to his/her right without some tribe lording over others.The recent discovery of GOLD in the south west is finally yielding expected dividends. I knew it won't be long before resource control agitations start there. One Nigeria indeed! |
I bought a HUGE pack of popcorn to start watching the games. Isn't it a blessing to be alive to witness these things. We live in amazing times. ![]() |
RENOWNED cleric, Bishop Bolanle Gbonigi, has described the controversial return of President Umaru Yar’Adua to the country as a constitutional anomaly, calling for self-determination of the Yoruba as a means of actualising the progress of the race. Speaking with newsmen at the end of the meeting of the Yoruba Unity Forum (formerly known as the Yoruba Legacy Forum) held, at the Ikenne home of the Awolowos on Thursday, the fiery cleric condemned the return of the president to the country under secrecy. “What sort of country are we in, where the president was flown into the country in the early hours of the morning without the knowledge of the Acting President Goodluck Jonathan? Troops were deployed to man the airport without telling the acting president; who then is Jonathan commanding?”, he asked. Stating that the acting president was still in the dark about the presence of the ailing president, the clergyman declared: “We are not fools. This country belongs to all of us, though the Fulani are saying that they were born to rule, but over who? “We Yoruba are ready to tell them that we are born equal. Democracy is for all and we need to let them know that we know our right. We are not leaving Nigeria, but every one must have access to his/her right without some tribe lording over others. “We want self-determination in order to allow us have access to our resources. We want to have control over our resources to develop at our own pace,” he stated Also condemning the controversial return of the president, Chief Ebenzer Babatope, said that a situation whereby the country would be having a president and an acting president at the same time was unacceptable. “We were all here praying for the quick recovery of the president. Since he has returned, if the president is fit, he can continue in his official capacity as the president, but if otherwise, the National Assembly should do its job and what is expected of it. It is not tidy to have a sick president who is not fit to rule,” he said. http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/1898-gbonigi-restates-call-for-self-determination-of-yoruba.html |
ndu_chucks:Which requires more guts: having a real online identity or blaming a leader who saved my life? I would easily have a real online identity. Don't you think? |
ndu_chucks:Respond to these: Why is a dead man ruling Nigeria from the grave? Why are your people the least educated in Nigeria and yet claim a "born to rule" mantra? Why are you using an Igbo username while you are Hausa? [size=16pt]Answer those questions or sharaap![/size] Mutum banza. |
ndu_chucks:Are you the man's mouthpiece now? If you cannot decipher from my posts that I acknowledge strategic mistakes made by Ojukwu in not properly identifying the enemy, then, you must go back to primary school, Mister "quadruple identity" suffering from acute diplopia. |
oyb:Well the south south is threatening to secede now. Are they arrogant for wanting to escape humiliation and injustice? It is the idiocy of Nigerians that is keeping the country comatose for nearly 50 years. ![]() |
okunoba:This is the first coming from a Yoruba dude here on NL unless I'm wrong about your tribe. Anyway, I appreciate your line of thinking on the bolded words but Igbos don't need apologies. What we need is genuine repentance on the part of the participants of the genocide. It is in everyone's interest that they repent, else it may rotate. It has been rotating since the guns fell silent in 1970. The Igbo say "Tufiakwa" to demonstrate open rejection of evil, because we believe that anything less will turn the evil into a form of retribution which will not spare even the bystander who did nothing to stop it. |
desthan: ![]() Chai Nigerians go kill me for here! lmao! |
Katsumoto:I stopped discussing with you a long time ago. As a matter of fact I stopped discussing when I saw that almost all your people (about 99%) would never condemn the killing of innocent easterners after the coups of 1966, and the role Awolowo played in starving easterners to death. Unlike your people, the Igbo are ready to condemn even Zik for foisting a non-negotiated country on them. That is why Zik has far less value in Igboland than Ojukwu. Your people worship Awolowo even though he championed an immoral campaign during and after the war against easterners. All we need from you is a collective condemnation of evil perpetrated by Awolowo, but you are incapable of that because he truly did your will. Igbo can never condemn Ojukwu for the same reasons. So, I am here these days to warn my people to be very realistic and strategic in their political maneuvers in Nigeria. |
henry101:Point of correction my brother, I no dey vex, I dey laff ![]() You know why i dey lafff? becuase our country is the biggest joke in the international community. why i no go laff? ![]() If people can't honestly discuss issues and honestly seek solutions, God is powerless. |
ndu_chucks:I am actually feeling like an enlightened easterner of 1950 when things were just beginning to take shape in naija, and I'm enjoying myself in the process. You can call me a devil's advocate if you like but I even think that I need to be more pessimistic. My people's optimism in the 60s led to millions of innocent deaths and nothing has changed. Mutum banza. |
Afam, You think anything has changed about generalizations in Nigeria? I wouldn't share in your optimism. Nigeria has not changed in any way since the 60s. That is why a near dead man is in charge and able bodied men can't do anything about it. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. I can only assure you that the only thing that has changed since the 60s is that the Igbo is now mentally prepared to fight anywhere in Nigeria. All it takes for another genocide to be triggered is for an Igbo guy to conduct a coup. |
doyin13:Don't worry about abokis. Honestly the Igbo find it easy to contain the northerner because the northerner is predictable. That is why the killing of Igbos in the north is fast coming to an end. The Igbo man is not afraid of fighting, and so we fight them even in the north. The most dangerous enemy is a hidden one. The one that smiles and laughs with you while at the same time scheming to annihilate you at the slightest opportunity. That is THE ENEMY. |
Katsumoto:I've had this argument with you before and I honestly don't want to repeat it. You are entitled to your opinions. Awolowo was the undisputed leader of the Yorubas then and he had the ears of most Yorubas just like Ojukwu in the east. He was in jail in Calabar and you would at least accept that if Ojukwu refused to release him from jail, or killed him in jail, he would not be alive to scheme the extermination of easterners. You also conveniently forget that several Easterners fought against Biafra. You really need to stop this emotional, childish, and incomplete analysis that you do concerning the events of the 60s. You keep arguing that the Yorubas were the real enemy? How were Yoruba people the real enemy? Did Yoruba people manipulate Igbo officers to murder Northern and Western political and military leaders.I have never said there where no easterners who fought against Biafra. Where did the word "sabo" come from? The bigger question is did those easterners play decisive role in the war? Did they scheme to starve innocent children to death as part of a strategy to break the fighting spirit of easterners? It might seem childish to you, but your "mature alternative prescription" led to unnecessary deaths in Biafra. It will lead to more deaths even today. So I am proud of my "childishness" on this very important piece of history. It might save my life! I would rather be a childish survivor than a mature dead man. ![]() |
In fact I would warn any Igbo politician to never take friendships in Nigeria seriously because most people wear masks in Nigeria. They should avail themselves of the real Nigerians on nairaland to better understand the peoples of Nigeria. Taking those friendships seriously could have fatal consequences. |
@Shoot2Kill I don't know what your aims are but if they are for unity then you are actually working against it. I understand what you said about Nigerians not being hostile to one another except on Nairaland. It is because your people mainly never say what they mean openly. One of my best friends on campus in my vasity days is from Ogun state, but we never really talked about deep stuff. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you if he would pick up a gun to fight against me tomorrow. That is how your people are. In the years before the civil war, our fathers were all over Nigeria. They had close friends who were so close that they exchanged family visits and gifts during festive seasons (Christmas or Muslim festivals). My parents spoke fluent Hausa and my siblings spoke Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba. Guess what? All those friendships vanished in a twinkle of an eye in 1966 and 67. It wasn't even replaced by lose associations or misunderstanding. It was replaced by genocidal hate. I have argued here severally that Biafra's biggest mistake was to not identify the enemy before fighting. Ojukwu never ever imagined that your people-the Yoruba- would lead the campaign against Biafra and that Awolowo whom he called father would design the most inhumane war and end of war strategies against easterners. That is a history you want us to forget? ![]() Are you kidding me? ![]() I don't know what you think, but my definition of madness is to repeat the same mistakes and expect a different outcome. I won't even talk about the 60s, what about today and here on nairaland? How many of your people have you seen here acknowledging the wrong done to Biafrans? What I have seen here are characters who mock the dead in Biafra and who threaten more should the situation arise again. So, if you are an Igbo or a reasonable easterner, what would you do or think? ![]() I'm not even interested in chanting the "we were right" line. I'm only determined to do my part to save my children the same way my father fought to save me. |
This thread is not about Biafra but it will be foolish to discuss it without discussing the events that led to Biafra and the roles played by various groups in Nigeria. If the north must be broken, that implies that there is a south to do the breaking, right? There is no south. The south died in 1967. It was Archimedes who said "give me a place to stand and I will move the earth". Where will you stand to break northern Nigeria? A one legged man cannot make a good wrestler. |
ndu_chucks:ndu_chucks, will you then explain to dayokanu that there is nothing like south south as far as the coup of Jan 1966 is concerned? If you are honest, you would tell dayokanu that Nzeogwu was an Igboman from the current south south. So, if he was from south south, how could dayokanu claim he killed a fellow south south man to further Igbo agenda? If that is true, can't you see how idiotic south south sounds in that coup? |
Katsumoto:I never dreamed I was speaking for Igbo people. I know for sure that I am speaking for myself as an Igbo person, and I thank you for acknowledging my right to do so. You are quick to take offense when attacked, but you feign innocence when attacking others. Typical. I deliberately decided to ignore your attacks; don't misunderstand that . . . I won't say it again. The funny thing about Nigeria of today is that it amazes me how things are remarkably similar to the events of 1964-1966. Some people have decided to throw the country into a crisis, every concerned friend of Nigeria is warning about it, but the lords of Nigeria go about their business as if nothing is wrong. Why? Because they know that NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. So, my advise to Ndigbo -wait this one out, don't ever stick your neck out even if heavens fall. This is actually the time to go home, sit down and think. Nigeria's history has shown us whom the enemy is (at least for us Ndigbo). This is another opportunity to make decisions that will determine the well being of our children. Let's not blow it by making the same mistake again. A northern Christian is a better ally than some southern Christians. We must make those moves deliberately and calculatedly. Any alliance in the South minus the Yoruba is fine by me. |
@marcdunu Please save your breath. It is no use explaining these things to people with hearts of stone. I never understood the term "cut off your nose to spite your face" until I started studying the Nigerian civil war and the roles played by some tribes. So let it be. Frankly, the most idiotic concept I can think of today is that of "southern Nigeria". It is so warped in illogic and idiocy that I wonder how we (including myself) ever thought of it as a solution. THERE IS NO SOUTH. I have personally found out that most northerners are people who keep their words -they are reliable. If a northerner says yes, you can take that to the bank, likewise if he says no. So, it is easier to work with them. Among them still, you see that the christian parts are even better to work with. They are peaceful and try to go to school. So, the idea of breaking the north as a political unit is not a bad one provided that it does not mean bringing them to join a "South". We in the East can work with the Christian north in a political alliance if you like (Like Zik did with Solomon Lar in Plateau State 1979 NPP). We must avoid any political alliances that involve the Yoruba. |
Also the Minister for Works, Housing and Urban Development, Alhaji Hassan Lawal, who was bailed to visit the state could not get into the state as the Enugu-Abakaliki Road was overtaken by the militants. Police eyewitness was quoted as saying[b] that the militants turned into skeleton, making it difficult to capture them.[/b] I rolled off my chair laughing and rolling on the floor! Chei! We never see something for that naija! |
Katsumoto:Do you frankly think about the implication of your post -what you are really saying? The guy says he pays taxes and local dues to the Lagos state government and owns a property there (unless I misunderstood). So, you want him to go ask for accountability from "his state of origin". Do you really see how twisted that is? ![]() Saying the truth to you means that I am set in my ways. . . . what does that mean? I have come to the understanding that those who fought against the easterners where not fighting to keep Nigeria one. They were fighting to kill as many easterners as possible -probably to wipe them out. Is there a wonder that easterners say that the war was against them, not against those who want to divide the country, because frankly those who want to divide Nigeria fought on the Nigerian side and they are complaining even today. They are at it here! Forpeace, your concerns and issues are LEGITIMATE. Take it to the highest court in the land if you must. You are standing on solid grounds. In fact buy more lands if you can. NEVER EVER think about leaving. You are on your land. ![]() |
forpeace:The bolded are all legitimate issues, questions and concerns from a NIGERIAN citizen living where he chose and pays local taxes, and of course is entitled to his concerns since they are all LOCAL concerns. Here is what a fellow Nigerian told him: Katsumoto:Forpeace, all your concerns are legitimate and you have the right to air them. I wouldn't live in Lagos (though my folks own properties in Lagos ). I cannot remember spending more than 2 nights in Lagos because I really believe that the place is a HELL HOLE at least until someone honestly try to fix things there. Don't leave -YOU ARE IN YOUR COUNTRY. BUY MORE LANDS if you can. You are a Nigerian and can live anywhere in Nigeria. Take the Governor to court if you can and demand accountability. The more people like you speak out the better. You are a Nigerian Lagosian! |
ndu_chucks:Balawo mutun banza! Dan iska kowai. |
ndu_chucks:You are a full blooded idiot! ![]() The people who died in Biafra were from former Eastern region of Nigeria - be they half aliens from space. I knew you would not answer the question, I just wanted to make sure. Atulu awusa! |
ndu_chucks, I throw a challenge your way: I am an Igbo man from Anambra state, Nnewi to be exact. Where in Nigeria are you from ![]() If you dodge this question, then you must stop commenting here. |
ndu_chucks:That is the problem! We don't know what you are, because you have refused to say. How dare you demand truthful answers when you can't even identify your tribe in Nigeria You are Hausa (which you have alluded to in your past posts), but you bear an Igbo username. Considering the topic of this discussion , how fair are you by bearing a false identity? You are simply an unscrupulous individual charging others to be honorable! You are not qualified to comment on Ojukwu's integrity because you lack that. |
ndu_chucks:I have already told you to go and hang because our hero survived and is still alive and growing old gracefully. Our God and the spirits of innocent Igbo children who you starved to death will continue to haunt you. Meanwhile go and answer to why you are trying to kill off Christians in Jos. More people have died in northern Nigeria than all parts of Nigeria combined since after the war. Go and ask your Sultan and all your emirs why they are not sending your children to western education and schools. Why are you breeding terrorists more than any region of Africa? Go answer that first. Leave this section if you are not a miserable hypocrite. |
okooyinbo:I think you are being outrightly dishonest here and you know it! So, if Biafra never grabbed world attention, how come all the powers you listed before in your post supported Nigeria with weapons and other logistics? How come Medicine Sans Frontier (French doctors) was formed by the same doctors trying desperately to save Biafran children, and they have been to all wars since then? Above all, how come most foreigners who was old enough during Biafran war know about the war (they would always ask you which part of Nigeria are you from -Biafra or Nigeria)? I can go on but what is the point? The world brought war crimes charges against war criminals in Rwanda and Darfur; you think that was accidental? Well, it depends on interest. Please dont put your trust too much on world leaders, they have disappointed several times. I have come to know a lot of how the world ticks. BTW, I am a victim of Biafra too. The pounding of artillery in ORE was felt in my village you know. It was like the world was coming to an end. You have not experience war. Dont pray for it. It is absolutely not a fun thing.I never said I was trusting anybody. I only stated the facts as they are. Please stop using the sound of artillery from within your earshot at Ore to compare the sound of all types of explosives, warplanes and weapons traumatizing Biafran children for nearly 3 years. Nobody prayed for any war. In fact our dear leader tried everything within his power to avoid war, but people we thought were friends schemed to annihilate us. Even at Aburi, Ojukwu and Gowon exchanged hugs and threw banters. I'm sure Ojukwu never imagined the type of hate within the hearts of his fellow compatriots. I'm sure he was shocked by the methods employed by Nigeria against Biafra. I speculate that treachery from "friendly" corners of Nigeria dealt the most devastating blow to Biafra. I lament that we never knew who the real enemy was. Ndigbo are Christians and our brand of Christianity taught us a lot of things which made us vulnerable in Biafra. That is why we (Ndigbo) must sit down and think long and hard about how we survived and how to plan our survival going forward. |
Add to my point above, the world has changed partly as a result of the Biafran deaths. No world leader would allow something like that again. The world woke up after Biafra and Medicine san frontier has been in wars taking care of the needy and wounded, and world leaders have instituted war crimes charges against war criminals. Nigeria committed too many war crimes in Biafra and the world knows that. |
^^^ The comparison stopped at the enemies they fought. They -Germany and Nigeria -wanted victory by ALL means. Civilians died as a result. |
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