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NgoZeemama:
So fresh boys like this dey nairaland chaiii wish you the best o

Yeye dey smell.

iamdbull, continue dey whine yourself

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ihatebuhari:
don’t mind the guy he’s just talking rubbish. In life grace matters, you can go to abroad with tourist visa and be a better person in space of 2yrs

Please no one should listen to that ode I live here in Los Angeles just do all you can to leave Nigeria

You see how stuppid you Africans are?

In the same sentence, you spoke about grace and tourist visa right? If am correct, tourist visa is meant to last a little while and you go back right? So why break a Law and call it grace you criminal? You see why Oyibo people deny you guys visa a lot? You guys dont believe in due process. If they allow you here, you will come here, dupe their citizens, call it grace and run back to Nigeria.

So your grace of God supports illegality? God allows you to flout peoples rules and call it blessings? Same way I was telling the other guy that his cousins maybe wire fraudsters parading as working class in Europe.

Let me ignore all your gibberish brother or sister. Please can you teach us about this your special grace? And how you migrated to LA through this grace? The public wants to learn.

Abudu2000:
everyone can't be as dumb as you baba. The fact that you have been there 30years and have not even a single crop on a land to show doesn't mean everyone is as lady as you are. Working for a top firm that means u must be one of those pen pushers. Why won't taxes kill u when u are still in the matrix, I recommend you listen to more of Andrew tate and maybe join his HU so your life can change before but die for nothing.

The same mindset that every rich dude is wire wire is the same as Sars seeing every young man and calling them fraudsters. You want to die in proverty thats your choice but don't ask other youths not to go overseas and seek greener pastures for their families, not everyone can survive proverty as you.

Mumu boy...

I had money in Nigeria before my company sent me for training and assmiliated me far long ago. Thats my saving grace.

Maybe you didnt see where I said the massive investments I had in Nigeria also sustains me here?

Do you know what? Please find a way and come to Europe.

But am guessing you are totally useless and hopeless. Because if what you are saying is the truth about your cousins having millions... They would have brought you to Europe legally long ago.

But I guess they know your destiny is dead just like your ambitions. They also know that whatever conditions you are in Nigeria now is your last bus stop on earth.

CIAO.

iamme1234:
Alaye face your warrant
Who s seeing asylum
So I made mentioned of such in my statement
If you want to beckoned someone in life always walk through the right way.
Or you think she is there seeking asylum
Nigga we would keep sending money to her till she standardized,or do I tell you we are broke ass nigga.
Follow ur own link
Follow ur own life and leave story

Ok bros... Keep on sending money till she standardize indeed

Let me guess her plans of standardizing.... Get Oyibo husband to give her a child or find a black man with papers and settle abi? Because thats the surest way.

But let me bust your bubbles.

Oyibo people see black women as shiit. Yes.. They see black women as vermins who they can't deposit their seeds into. These guys dont even have time for themselves not to talk of black women.

Why am even engaging you silly lots on this forum is because I know a lot are reading and I dont want people to be misled.

I pray your sister standadizes soonest too

artworks1:
The gospel truth about this travel thing is; What works for A might not work for B and what Works for B might not work for A.

But mehn, abroad is harder than Nigeria where you have to wait 1year to pay rent, ask your friends to send you 2k to eat or offset bills, move carelessly whether money de or not, still hope to eat from any of your friends around.

But abroad? Oga abeg no de there. U get 2k no de, rent na monthly, no careless gum body because your family no de there, no work, no money or food, u live illegal, no work for u, no free movement for u, u keep watching over your back. But for how long??

I saw alot abroad and I concluded nothing ever will make me overstay my welcome. Na u go suffer, because beautiful streetz, houses, 24/7 light no go put food for your table.

All in all, plan well and make sure you don't get into crime anywhere you find yourself.

Abudu2000 also read this comment by this gentleman above. Check his profile. I dont know him from anywhere.

But see where he said he saw a lot abroad and prolly ran back to Naija?

Oga if you are illegal... Na only beautiful roads and trees you go dey admire everyday till they arrest and deport you. Their police in the west is so efficient and good at this. These guys are computerised top notch.

When I was in Sweden, I saw them bundling targeted blacks like logs of wood. Their cameras have facial recognition that detect you anywhere you go.

Ok take for instance that you over stay a visa.. How do you intend to move around? Because there cameras at train stations, supermarkets, shopping malls, schools, toilets and offices are interconnected.

In Germany, every station has at least 50 cameras that search through your intestine and maybe your soul

How do you intend to run or misbehave?

Once a facial recognition software detects you, you have the police or immigration waiting for you outside wherever they detected you.

Abroad is a scam if you are illegal or have nothing doing. And believe me 100%... NO ONE EMPLOYS YOU WITHOUT PAPERS OR IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL. This people have a process they follow to the last.

Abudu2000:
why are u guys blowing lies from your ass like this, are u ppl this wicked that you don't want your fellow Africans to come see real life and make better life for themselves? I'm in naija but all my cousins over there are stankily rich. If u see the house my age mate built at ikoyi it's not your regular 100m Houses o, everything fully digital down to the gate. He now brings cars from that way into Nigeria. Last year b4 he came he shipped in a range Rover 2018 model, he refused to sell that it was his personal ride all through the 4weeks he spent and it's still packed in his compound.
Let me not even talk about his elder brother and sisters, the house they built for their mom alone and I know when these guys went there via land with absolutely nothing. Nigerians are too wicked

Mad Man... Someone went by land and is building houses... Iddiot somebody

I can bet everything I have that I have more papers than your so called cousins and relatives. I can slso bet that I work more hard and way more smart than them. The only difference between me and them is that I play by the rules. Hundred millions indeed!

Oga, tell your cousins to teach you the wire fraud they are doing and use nonsense as cover

To show you how stuppid your arguement sounds, how do you intend to store over 100 million in your account without European authorities arresting or investigating you? You think Europe is Nigeria? Oga, these guys know every penny that enter your account. How do you intend to transport such amount to Naija by the way without them freezing it? Bitcoin?

Oga oo... You say we are wicked abi? Just ask yourself.. Why do I need to be wicked to a total stranger and random black man I dont know from anywhere? What do I gain? Shey being wicked to you will increase my balance?

Oga, I am a consultant for a top firm. I know what I earn and I know what I pay in taxes. I also know what I save which is absolutely normal to what average people earn in Naija.

The reason you are mentioning millions is due to inflation and it makes the money look so big. Just ask yourself... If 1 euro was exchanging to 1 naira which at some point in our history it did.. Do you think you wil regard your cousins as so rich again?

The thing with you empty head Nigerians is that you dont like those that tell you the truth. You like me to tell you that you are coming to paradise. How I wish I can vaporise you tonite to Europe and abandon you. The kain suffering you will experience eh...

Oga, ask your cousins or agemates what they are really doing to be blowing money. Nobody blows money in Europe. They maybe drug traffickers, human traffickers, wire fraudsters, organ harvesters via eastern Europe or any other evil thing. The final thing I will tell you is to listen to this comment by another entirely different stranger also in Europe.

tope3x:
You're right,i am in EUROPE and i don't earn my money in euro,i earn in dollars couple with my business in Nigeria,if not for that,the suffer wey i for suffer eehnnn,all i can say is whoever that is planning to relocating to Europe should have a very strong back up,it's not easy getting a job at all

jieta:
I will really appreciate a reply.

Those that cross from Africa (Libya) to Europe (Italy) are there giving asylum? If yes, can there get work with there visa given to them.

They deny asylum applications 95% of the time. Bros, let no one deceive you. They investigate cases one by one. These guys have a process they follow.

The only asylum way I know that may work for you is for you to claim homosexual or marry a man before coming. Thats what I know may work. But know you that this is very risky because they will monitor you 24/7. Even if you admire a woman not to talk of touching, they will deport you immediately. They will even trace your background through social media and AI to check if you are homo.

At extremes, they check your this thing... I don't wamt to mention it.

Am not homo so I will not advise this.

I would have advised conflict asylum but Nigeria is not at war or an ongoing conflict. So they will reject it outrightly.

OlawaleBammie:
Bro pls can someone go tru job offer?? And how easy is this?

One can go through job offer but its very hard. Now think of it this way... what type of job do you think you can do that Oyibo people dont have millions willing to do it?

In Europe here, there are thousands if not millions of Smart guys from Japan, Korea, USA and Canada all competing for white collar jobs. Do you know how smart these guys are? Can you compete with them?

If its menial jobs, forget it. Turkish, Arabs and Eastern Europeans have taken over that field. Not to talk of this Ukraine war were millions entered western Europe.

adeyemo1998:
What about qatar pls? Is it advisable to go there for work?

Qatar is good but its a very Conservative country. I dont know their visa process though.

But if I will advise you guys, always use google and Nairaland as reference when searching. Also search facebook groups.

Even as am talkin to you, am already on a facebook group where I can see that the living condition in qatar is terrible for Africans. Bros, make una pray for good governance. Naija is the best believe me.

Am not campaigning for Peter Obi. But I know he is the only person that the citizens will feel the impact of governance without knowing him personally. Thats how governance works in the west.

seansifo:
Hello,

I can assist you with admission into US university. All things being equal, you wont spend up to $800 to get your F1 visa (student visa) and travel by January 2023 (spring semester). All you need to pay for are

*Wes evaluation
*Application fees (at least 3 different schools)
*Visa fee
*SEVIE fee

With F1 visa, you can legally stay in the us for 3 years after which, you'll apply for change of status.

Send me a DM let's start the process for just #15,000 consultation fee

You are a liar. Stop deceiving people you criminal. If this were true, you would have been there instead of looking for a paltry 15,000 naira consultation fee which is like 20 dollars.

Should we bet you are in Oshodi or Ago Palace way?

Edoziesmart:
One of my class guy then in university tried Canada with 9m for masters but they denied him visa though.
I'm thinking of using Africa route to migrate to Europe. I mean following Liberia or Ivory coast to do paper and jakpa. That's if it is possible. I speak and write both in English and French.

Note: I have family and friends in both Ivory coast and Liberia. So where to live for one year is not the issue, as far as they help me process my paper from there.

If it works for you bros, follow it diligently. But make sure you migrate to the west legally and with papers. If not, you will suffer till they kingdom come.

BadNews:
If You don't have 10million naira in your Bank Account, Don't Travel

Oga what is even 10 million? 10 million currently should be less than 12,000 euros.

The cheapest apartments in Germany is around 700 euros a month. Switzerland is from 2000 euros. Thats only rent oo.

Nobody will give them papers or work to sustain their rent. They will beg and beg till they eventually die. Thats European reality.

Switzerland will lock you in one cell where cold will nearly kill you. Norway will lock you at a mountain top. Sweden wont even allow you enter. The seemingly merciful one is Germany. But they wont give you papers. They will deceive you to enter asylum case which they know they will defeat you. Eventually, they offer you 1000 euros and codedly deport you to naija without your consent where you start life afresh.

Even Landlords will not give them house because they will need something called anmeldung and when they go to get it from Rathaus or Burgramt... They will know they are illegal. Landlord will enter gbese for giving illegal house. Without anmeldung, no bank account, no tax id, no resident permit and no visa extension. Thats for Germany oo.

Here in Switzerland, na different levels entirely. These guys detest black people with passion but wont show it. They have a system to frustrate you till you beg them to deport you. Even their dogs are treated better and you will see it.

phidipe:
Apply for Master Program in Luxembourg is FREE Tuition fees Visa and other Logistics will cost you less than 1.2 million and you still have extra change to make a living. Remember Luxembourg is the richest country in the world and the only option is through Study Route. You can call me for further details I'm not a travelling agent oooo I just want to give you valuable advise. Another country is Estonia you can only enter though study route and be able to work and earn decent living. God bless you

If what you are telling them is the truth, you wont be in Nigeria. Study and earn a decent living in Estonia? Are you guys mad? Which Estonia?

1.2 million to Luxembourg? 2000 euros? And still have extra change? Bros are you mad? The cheapest apartment per month in Luxembourg is more than 3000 euros. How does he intend to survive? Luxembourg does not even allow students to work not to talk illegals that over stay visa.

And to think you ended the comment with God bless you. Madness?

I can bet your sorry arse that you are somewhere in Idimu Lagos or Ikotun Lagos while directing people to Europe. The real question should be... EUROPE NO DEY HUNGRY YOU NI?

iamme1234:
You better get sense
2m will only take you to Ghana
And get a house and start living there
At least you have escaped no light issues.
With honesty 2m naira is a peanut to land you in Europe
My sister went to Germany last week
Tourist visa hence she is isn’t coming back for now till she is fully standardized.
Total money spent is 3.350m

Don’t let anyone deceived you

Your 2m naira is a peanut

Your sister went to Europe on tourist visa and is not planning on coming back? How does she plan to survive? Seek asylum? Una think say Oyibo no get sense bros?

Standadize in Europe?

If you guys know how Oyibo people treat blacks like shit, una go think twice before any random decision.

Una think say work dey Europe? Or Europe is a so called green pasture? Minimum am giving your sister to standadize is 10 years. Just give it a few months or years. Thats if they dont catch and deport her to to an asylum centre before then.

Oga, I have toured Europe oo. This people have a system that is unbreakable. I have seen lots of people here for 10 years achieving nothing.

Everything is digital. If you are illegal, they know. Even the smallest company or kiosk.

Please quote this my comment for reference.

Joshmoore:
I'm seriously considering study visa in Canada for my masters, my budget is 3.3m, can this do it ?

Oga you need at least 15 million realistically for Canada. And they may deny you visa eventually. But una no go hear right?

AllDModsAreMaad:
Bro, how you dey?

Can I reason something on this with you?

Oga ooo. This one you are now reasoning with people. Be like say dem never scam you before?

Let me tell you something. The best place for you to hustle is Nigeria. Quote me anywhere.

I am in the West here and its not easy at all. But una no go hear. The only good thing about Europe is good roads, good Internet, nice people, good electricity and good healthcare system. But you pay for all these from your nose. There is no job here. Not even the so called menial jobs. The Ukraine situation has even made it worse. Millions of refugees all over Europe.

Your next question will be what am I doing there right? Well, am enjoying the dividends of good governance by progressive people but I PAY FOR IT HEAVILY THROUGH MY INVESTMENTS SCATTERED ALL OVER NIGERIA AND THE US. Please there is no job in the west. I have virtually hustled wella in all parts of the world.

I see those telling you Germany. Bros, if you dont have at least 10 million, Forget Germany or Europe. And thats for you to come as a student which is your best bet.

By the way, there is nothing like visa conversion. If you come into Europe with a tourist visa, you are coming to spend money and not make shishi. You will be broken and shattered like glass. Those that have papers and are legit are suffering here. Oyibo people have rules and laws for everything. No one will give you work because they are law abiding and obey there government.

I repeat, forget Europe and make money in Naija. If not for bad government, Nigeria is your best bet.

Lol... My dear don't blame them. Its the system they came from. The system made Nigerians very wicked and mean. Everyone is on survival mode.

From Europe to New York to Brazil... I see same shitty Nigerian attitude.

If am being honest, the first work that gave me serious money na Indian man connect me to the job. I go there see fellow Naija guys wey be say we dey live the same hood back in Sweden. But they will always tell you say work no dey.

Back in Naija, how many Nigerians help fellow Nigerians? Its a tough world girl.

Man up and face it. Nobody really cares about you.

Indians cooperate far far above with each other than Naija. Naija people see competition in everything which is so sad.

You wear better clothe wahala
You buy better car ... Big issue
You land better job... Gbese
You date oyibo... Jealousy
You eat better food.. Envy.

Honestly, I spit on Nigerian heads whenever I see them in Europe or America. Terrible lot.

diportivo:
ori e o pe rara

won sa,won ki,oni ohun o mo eni t'oku

reading is easy,comprehension is a challenge....just as u were told yesterday

seller put video,write say na similar motor....u,wey no ready to buy say na deceptive marketing??to prove what point really?that it's not worth 3m?dem put gun for anybody head to pay 3m?abi kini gbogbo woran woran yii gan sef?

eni ba b'olokurun jiyan,o fe pa ni

theres no point truly

I will ignore the gibberish you were typing as a normal language bro. You are on a piblic forum. So use a formal language everyone can read. That aside.

Lets discuss your statement in bold. What do you mean by similar video? Why not do the actual video of car being sold?

slimmoney:
am sure u never saw where he boldly wrote sample video of similar Corolla

What do you mean by sample video of similar corrolla? Is he selling similar corrolla or actual corrolla?

Why not make the video of the actual corrolla being sold? Why similar?

Deceptive Marketing?

Now the car below in picture is what I believe you actually have and want to sell. You posted the pics in a thread earlier on which you later modified for reasons best known to you.

(1) The car in picture has basic, aluminium alloyed rims. Its not the beautiful alloyed rims you have on video.

(2) The car in picture which I believe is what you actually want to sell has the basic oil paint job. Its not the oven baked car you have on video.

(3) The car in the pictures which you actually want to sell has an upholstery which is obviously black and worn out. Its not ash like what you have on video.

Gazzuzz, I also noticed very sharp differences in the car you have on video and the one you actually want to sell which you posted in the previous thread you deleted.

I put it to you that the car in the video seems totally different from what you posted as the cars pics in the modified thread.

(1) The car in the video has beautiful, black alloyed rims.

(2) The car in the video has a distinctive oven baked painting.

(3) The car in the video has an ash formica interior and upholstery...

buygala:
Much as I hate to admit it, car looks good in this video.. Maybe na the phone wey you use snap am before make the moto be like pikin shit wey don stay overnight


Still on still sha, I still maintain that you have learnt bad tin

Oga seems you are daft bro... Check the video well and the pics posted. 2 very different cars.

The car in the video has beautiful black alloyed rims. While the picture has basic, aluminium rims

The car in the video has a formica interior and upholstery... The car in picture is far from it.

This reeks of pure deception.

Chairman like I said before,

Nothing like barely used or just like toks. Its either Tokunbo or Naija used. This car is obviously a Nigerian Used Car. Call this car what it is in the title which is a registered car.

Everyone just wan cash out this period thanks to Buhari that turned our money to tissue paper.

For the fact you didnt want to call it registered car means you are not being honest bro.

Thanks.

And 3 million for this? Well... na your market. I will never tell a man what to sell his goods.

Munamoqel:
obi didn't achieve all this long Grammer as a governor for 8 years ! He didn't build the world. Class University in his state .No metro buses and state University was closed for 6 months and didn't hold LGA election for 7 years .una dey mad .his only achievement according to idiots is investing state fund in breweries that his family owned share ,hiding 50 USD in Pandora in daughter name not to pay tax . Claims to save money when teacher where on strike on money issue ,lied severally on air that he own 1 house while he has another in uk .lied his son doest have a car .lie the nation export 31bn USD while it was 41 .Ni signature project in anambra like the airport built by obiano . Lastly 35000 Nigeria going to the uk is good . ( It free up more job vacancies) and. They will send back remittance soon ( this a good investment).

You see how stuppid you are bro?

In one statement, you are complaining about capital flight because of students leaving and in the other, you are saying that students who travel is good because they will remit money? Just tell me who thinks like this if not a bandit?

Oh... I now see what your problem is. They are mopping up your country money and maybe you have people who are travelling abroad for studies who needs forex?

Oga, go and buy it at expensive rate. Stop being selfish. I tell you one thing... Am abroad too. But you see shishi?

I no dey send shishsi to naija. There is too much naira already and am using it to mop up the available forex to store abroad like your politicians.

Even if it reaches 2000 naira, WE GO MOP AM.

N.B
Am not here to argue Obi with you. Honestly, he is even too good for Nigeria. We have other plans for him. When jungle mature, una go know.

This op na mumu raise to power 2.

No go tell your government to find ways to raise forex for the country.

You are talking about 35,000 students leaving for the uk. How about your useless country fixing their education sector so that no one really leaves the country again for studies and making sure forex does not leave?

How about fixing your idiotic education sector so that foreigners can come to the country and study? There by bringing in forex?

How about fixing your energy sector so that there will be constant light 24/7 which means people will buy less fuel for generator at home and business thereby lessening what you import and subsidize on fuel which on the long run will increase the forex in the country?

How about investing in your public transport sector and making it world class so that people have to use personal cars less and less? Which means less demand for fuel and less importation of fuel which will boost your forex?

How about more transparency in your oil exports and telling the citizens how much oil was actually sold? Thereby boosting investments in that sector from citizens?

I can go on and on and on. But you seem naturally daft and hopeless.

Thats why when someone mentioned Obi, you went haywire talking about 3rd class and shit. But this is actually Obis plan for Nigeria where you dont have to be a worthless consuming economy but a productive one.

Be there and be concerned about how people source local dollars and hoard to safeguard their future. As am talking to you, am buying thousands tomorrow to hoard to safeguard my family.

Wait till it reaches 2k... Oponu.

Even you Oga Gazzuzz?

Everyone just wan cash out this period thanks to Buhari that turned our money to tissue paper.

For the fact you didnt want to call it registered car means you are not being honest bro.

Nothing like barely used or just like toks. Its either Tokunbo or Naija used. This car is obviously a Nigerian Used Car. Call this car what it is in the title which is a registered car. Thanks.

And 3 million for this? Well... na your market. I will never tell a man what to sell his goods.

Ournolly:
Swift doesn't offer unlimited Internet service.
The unlimited service is only available at night time and weekends and I have read very horrible reviews about their services. Besides, Swift is not available to my location.

Smile is a huge pile of trash. Hardly get 3mpbs in my location, let's not even talk about the 'unlimited' stuff with them. I purchased their router and Internet plans and can authoritatively tell you they are a huge pile of shit. Maybe my location.

I also use vsat Internet, Konnect Africa. They offer Internet services similar to Swift and can be good at times but I currently cannot understand their free night unlimited in their plans.

Mtn hynetflex is by far the fastest but they are not unlimited.
I have over 5 different routers and can tell you Internet services are piece of trash in Nigeria.

What I do with 100Mbps?
I currently get an average of 90mbps with mtn in my location and I do stream a lot in 4k resolution on Netflix and other services and sometimes 8k on YouTube.

Sir I beg to differ. Swift has high speed unlimited internet at 25k a month. I have used severally.

I have gotten speeds of up to 10mbps.

I ask again, what do we really need 4k or 8k movies for when we are not oyibo?

Are you aware that 1080 movies are super clear not to talk of 2160?

If you observe, all my talks is geared towards non wastage of funds which this star link is all about.

What they offer is already offered by Swift and MTN at a far cheaper rate. Thanks.

Ournolly:
Bro, StarLink offers unlike, average of 100Mbps.
With this you need not dstv subscription etc.

The only better Internet service you get Fibre Optic service but most of them in Nigeria are not reliable.

Granted, the price is not cheap but trust me I spend more monthly with MTN hynetflex but won't get unlimited Internet.

You guys are very funny in Nigeria and thats why oyibo dey use una mop ground.

Swift offers super unlimited internet at 25k a month. Same with Smile and Spectranet. But una penchant for anything oyibo dey kill una.

Pray tell me, what do you intend to do with a speed of 100MBPs? Are you streaming data from heaven?

I do hope you know that at 99$ a month and you have like only 1000,000 subcribers... Thats 99 million dollars leaving that country monthly? Una wan die?

Okoroawusa:
Igbos wey get sense...

I am BATified

Yoruba people never cease to amaze me. So because they support the walking dead, they have sense?

But if they support Obi, they become IPOBS or Obi supporters?

ElSudani:
The world is like a mirror, if you smile at it, it will smile right back at you. You are only receiving back the hate you project towards others.
Nnamdi Kanu spent years cursing and threatening Yoruba and moro.ons like you supported him with money.
Life is like a mirror my friend.

Neanderthal Ape.... You didn't see where I said I am not IPOB yet and was never IPOB but have every plans to become one due to wickedness from irascible Gorrilas like you?

We will continue to press the knecks of terrorists like you that want to over run liberal yoruba land till the last air leaves your wind pipe.

ElSudani:
I haven't seen any Yoruba threatening Ibos over anything. On the other hand it is Obi's supporters who are threatening people who dare to criticize Obi.
They threatened to harm Reno Omokri's daughter.
They are issuing death threats left and right.
Nobody is afraid of you people.

You iddiot seriously? I hope its not me you are using to catch cruise?

Which political Oba told a people that he would throw them into the lagoon if they don't vote his candidate?

Which political party and their murderous supporters made a coffin for a sitting president?

Which political party and their murderous supporters killed corp members (Yorubas were killed too) and innocent citizens because their principal lost an election.

Which political party leader called a section of the country he rules over 5% because they didn't vote for him?

Have you and your mates not boasted here of how Igbos will never unite behind one of their own?

All of you crying tinrintinrin like old bicycle bell have not even recieved half of what you gave and give.

Sir I can assure you on one thing, most Igbos like me were liberals before. I have lots of Yoruba and Hausa as friends. But this election is showing us Igbo liberals who you guys are especially the Muslim pigs. The Christains largely are sensible.

Finally, post 2023 will determine if all of us becomes IPOBS.