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meetdonald: dictionary.com defintion of change : to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone.

Reason Well, Ooman.

exactly.

from that definition, where did you see it stated that the whole system must change before we can term something as change.

Did you not write content with your own hands.

So change remains any difference in any part of a system.

Use your brain.

Ihedinobi: ooman, I think you're tired. Maybe you should take a rest before continuing with me.

dont worry man, i understand you are out of answers.

good luck and enjoy your defeat.

meetdonald: yet again you fail to realise the Most Important Element of the Story, that ''paying for a son sch fees'' is a father's role. When the child is young and weak, the dad is responsible to deliver the fees to the sch, just as how God sent down Mana from Heaven. You will not be happy if your dad still treats you like a child when you 25yrs. Therefore a good father shld knw how best to care for his growing child. Does his trust in his older and mature son to pay the sch fees by himself means the father has changed? Isnt ''change'' meant to be a total deviation from one state to another? Surely if the dad stops paying for the son sch fees at any point of time, then there is a change in the father.

If you attribute ''change'' to sublime aspects of a system instead of a system-wide change, as a change in the system, then ur understanding of the word ''change'' is wrong.

Ooman you clearly do not reason well enuf.

change could mean any slight difference. why does it have to mean a large change in the whole system?

you need to check the meaning of change before typing dumb religious logic to me.

Proffdada: It's ur freewill to choose hell but God gives u d chance in this world. You can ask more questions in the afterlife while roasting in hell.remember hell is only for devil n demons but you can keep them company for eternity as their chew toy

dang, i cant believe you believe this sh1t you are propagating.

I dont have much time, pls take them to sunday school, am not moved.

The fact is that there is no heaven, no hell, no god, no devil.

peace out man!

striktlymi: Good morning guy,

Na wa o ooman, are u still on this matter?

my guy i still dey oooo, am just catching fun though. You know, typing here is so much fun.

meetdonald: God Never Changes. If your own dad who always ''pays your sch fees'' by coming ''directly to your sch'', but later when ''your older'' gives you the money to ''pay by yourself'' is the same as him ''no more paying'' for your sch fees when your older means to you that your dad has ''changed''. Then you FAIL in English Comprehension and Logical Reasoning.

The Same goes for all Atheists

What sort of a dumb and pathetically impossible logic is this Even though your dad wouldnt go to your school anymore, if your teacher asks you who pays your school fees, would you say because your father no longer comes to your school to pay himself, therefore he is not the one paying it but you?

Besides, even assuming your stup.id line of thought has any thing reasonable to take seriously, there is still a change because

once: your dad comes to pay

now: he doesnt come to pay anymore, he now sends you.

That is a change, same man, but different way of doing things.

So shut the f4k up, this analogy fails and can never achieve anything. Only the iddiots in sunday can believe this sh1t

meetdonald: What will you atheist say Next about God?

you havent answered my previous reply sensibly

meetdonald: Ooman your inability to reply means ....

Inability to what exactly.

Debeloved87: who started the talk of a monster that roast in HELL?..lol...noW i can see that your whole life is all twisted up...sory bro, go get a new life...and go call your father in antheism to face-off with me,i can see that you are still a toddler in that religion.

, are you saying those to make yourself feel much better , then you better find something else because not even a hair is raised on me by anything you dumb religious people post here

Proffdada: Exactly he's still an infant,that's why we need to wean him with the TRUTH. God is love and wants d death of no sinner,that's why He sent His Son not for d righteous but d lost n damned dat believes in Him. Sadly it seems ooman is trying to cauterize his homo infection by hiding behind atheism. He needs divine excorsism

This dumb iddiot. "God is love and wants no death of sinners" yet he took his time to design hell to burn sinners

Once again, carry this dumb logic to the iddiot folks at sunday school

Ihedinobi: I gave you an analogy, dude. If you felt that it was not competent, you should have presented a solid argument showing its incompetence and offering a better analogy. But rather than do so, you decide to edit my analogy and demand that I defend your edition of it. That is very bad reasoning, my man. In fact, it's rather poor and quite unintelligent reasoning. So, go fix it.

About your question, apparently, it is impossible for you to see that your question is neither a yes/no question nor a correct one. If a system is found to have a fault or faults, it is not assumed that only two things can be blamed, namely, its designer and the system itself. This is because even a perfect system could develop faults if its operator handled it poorly.

Now this new twist of yours about a new system coming originally with faults is interesting. How does nature fit that description exactly?

man, i freed you from that burden already, after discovering that you realized you are choked by your own saliva

Ihedinobi: You keep claiming that a five-year-old could fault my submissions while you yourself are not even proving how easy it is to do so by actually faulting them? What, are you four?

why would you think am four years old? have you been discussing with a four years old?? am glad you know your logic doesnt pass that of a four years old

Ihedinobi: Anyway, I am sure I said nothing about how soon creation changed. What else I'm sure about is that things headed south, started to deteriorate after man broke with God. And I said also that if God is the natural sustenance of creation or, in other words, the power on which it runs, then it makes sense that creation should start failing after disconnecting from Him.

You see why i continue to say your idea of god is made up in your head. How is it ever possible that you couldnt see insanity in what you wrote above.??

God holds creation, then a single species, of all billions of things god created broke off with god, while others remain connected, then everything went south makes perfect sense.

Again, god holds creation, then a single species, of all billions of things god created broke of with god, then god left the WHOLE of creation to fall into sh1t just because of a single individual makes perfect sense

God created everything, then man broke off, then god allowed the his whole creation for fall into sh1t - how is that for an "intelligent" designer he would ABANDON his WHOLE work just because one small part doesnt function properly, common sense didnt tell this dumb iddiot god of yours that whenever something goes wrong in design, you dont abandon the whole design, you correct it.

Besides, i thought god was omnipresent, he was there as man broke off and decided to stay off in the name of offering freewill, so if he knew his WHOLE work would fall into sh1t and still allow a man to let it, then this god of yours is the dumbest of the dumb. Now i realize why you are so dumb and illogical

Ihedinobi: Now, do go ahead and actually fault this, mm. Unless you really are younger than five.

you really think the rubbish you wrote above cannot be faulted, well, read again.

Ihedinobi: Right. Don't worry, I can afford to help you look your dishonest face in the mirror again.

Well, I said this:

Note the bolded word. Now the following was your answer:

Again, note the bolded word.

Did I produce evidence that I'd given an answer or "any supposed answer"? Well, I did. What was your answer? The following:


So, apparently, it wasn't even "any supposed answer" that I was supposed to produce evidence of but a "reasonable answer". Only, I was to find that out after I'd taken the trouble of digging up the "any supposed answer" that I did have.

However, your response to my evidence does remind me of something. What is it, mm? Ah yes, the stink of your dishonesty with a species whose genome was built from scratch...oh and something more, your commitment to shifting your positions and challenges as much as possible to avoid accepting defeat.

Ah yes, ooman, you are quite the liar, my friend.

Ihedinobi's logic

Ihedinobi: Class, what is 1-1

After a long silence......

Student: 2

Ihedinobi: At least we have an answer, now we can move on, class what is 2-2??

Makes perfect sense

Ihedinobi: Well, I was actually thinking aloud

But, before I run off with my own tangent, what mechanism is terminating nature?

ah, so that this what this thing meant.

No intelligent would let voltage that can burn his design power it.

No reasonable intelligence would let mistakes - mutations - bring about NEW organisms on earth because it terminates existing once

This is what you failed to understand and while not, since you know if you show you understood it, then you have no more ground for debate

Ihedinobi: I was surprised to see that we did not conclude that argument. It was actually that you dropped it without notifying me, perhaps so that I could forget it as I did unless you suddenly saw something you thought you could use it to accomplish.

Ah well, I'm still game for it. Now, I remember that I'm still waiting for you to show how I conflict the Bible on the matter. Maybe, you'll show it now.

Duh how many times would i do that. I said the bible says god COMPLETED AND FINISHED HIS CREATION TASK and said everything should reproduce ACCORDING TO THEIR KIND, you IMPLIED god NEVER COMPLETED his task and ordered that everything MAY PRODUCE OTHER KINDS - that is where you contradicted the bible my dear dumb liar.

Ihedinobi: You know what? I don't like to answer the same thing in two different places in the same post, so I'm leaving this matter here. What problems you have with the dumb analogies your pants are in a twist about you can show at the dumb analogies themselves. I'm not addressing this separately anymore.

why should i be surprised?

Ihedinobi: Ok, ooman, it can't be that you're blatantly dishonest here because even a bad liar would know that they'd be caught out saying something like the above. I'm sure it's just that you're despicably dumb. I'm going to quote what I said and I challenge you to show how it means anything you said in the above that it meant.

Now, point out where I intimated that I may change my arguments later. Oh, I included some explanations in blue to help your tired brones along.

Duh?? wat has this iddiot done here again ooooo ?? . You used probable words to mean I could change my arguments later : o. Man, didnt you see iddiocracy in that as you typed it.?

Ihedinobi: Did you mean the above to be your argument disproving myths?

another unnecessary comment to avoid replying the point. But am i surprised?? why should i be, am debating with someone who believe in a mythical character as his lord and savior

Ihedinobi: Well, your simple comment was an expatiation on this other comment:

See the two bolded phrases? 'Another abler designer...like nature'. Ooman, get a grip. You're unravelling. Can you not make up your mind whether nature is an abler designer than God or a flawed design?

, OK lets look at that : we know there is no intelligent coordination in nature and we know how sediments form, we also know of a natural selection mechanism, all this unconsciously bringing about life and death in time range of billions of years

We were also told of a designer who designed everything in 6 days

what could be proven? the first one - so for everything we see, nature is a better designer than your hypothetical god character. . While that isnt even my argument, that it can be shown that an unconscious, unintelligent process is much more realistic and intelligent than your omnipotent, sovereign god is enough to know your god is the lord dumb which also makes you one since he is right there in your head, evolving as you allow it.

Ihedinobi: Ok. This is a really enticing red herring to pursue but let's stay on point, shall we?

I think that you are destroying your own argument with the things you are saying. Man makes a dna molecule that does not make mistakes. Ok, fantastic. That makes man a better designer than any supposed designer. Good for you. That means that no designer ever existed. How? A perfect dna molecule is a dna molecule that does not make mistakes, no? In other words, it can also be argued that man had found the blueprint of the original designer and figured out how to fix the bugs in an everyday dna molecule, no?

Earth does not support life everywhere. Ok. That's a bad design. I hear you. But a bad design is a design, yeah?

you know the reason i love to debate with deist rather than with the religious is because they can always force their idea of a designer in just any tight space available.
You, though religious, have taken a deist position since you know your bible failed multiple time.

Did i ever implied that there was no designer with THAT PARTICULAR comment you quoted, no. I even asked if those errors were part of your hypothetical "intelligent" designer's plan.

What i attacked is that this "intelligent" designer of yours isnt as intelligent as we are now much more intelligent than it so where did you get this rubbish above from??

Ihedinobi: Answered above.

uh did you?? i freed you from that already because you know you are trapped

Ihedinobi: How did you know that the newly created man was ignorant or created tabula rasa and that the designer expected perfection of him?

because the bible says so. God created man, made women for him to f4k, then ordered them to not eat of a fruit, ONLY telling them they would die, and placed the ultra malicious sneaky serpent in the same garden and leaving them without prior experience with the snake, to obey him perfectly in all ways - makes perfect sense

Ihedinobi: Now, even though I am pursuing this with you, the fact remains that with my argument for man's failure, I have satisfied the demands of the problem of "mistakes" in nature. What we are doing now is chasing red herrings.

Man, i love how you deceive yourself. You really think that when you are debating, you are the one to claim you have satisfied your discussant or your discussant is to claim that.

How could you possibly explain that design had the tendency of experiencing cancer even before man broke off with god isnt a deviation from the norm and therefore an inherent mistake?

Well, dont worry if you dont want to answer, i understand you dont have any. But dont claim you have satisfied me, my dear dumb oaf.

Ihedinobi: Why? I agree with it.

duh!!

Ihedinobi: Did I say anything about a fruit?

Did I not say that after man broke with God, everything that required Him for sustenance began to degenerate?

you are yet to say how that even makes sense to you

Ihedinobi: I already did. You are now to tell me why they cannot change. Whether gradual or radical, the change is advocated by my argument. The floor's yours, buddy.

Look at you, you made a claim and it is my position to substantiate it . You are to explain how man breaking with god caused either gradual or instant change in everything that exist with a provable position.

Ihedinobi: Like many of your other questions, it's a very dumb one. Again I advise you to look up the various meanings of "impress" in a dictionary.

Duh?? man, dont worry on that too, i will also let you off on that, hope you are relieved now there is no pressure on you, you know am just catching fun here

Ihedinobi: Did I call you 'lazy'? And 'dishonest'?

Yep, I did

You said you didn't, show me where you didn't, why don't you?

only if you show how i did. baseless accusations can get you no where. anyway, feel free to continue this debate anyhow, since i already engage you, i have to put up with your silliness.

Ihedinobi: I don't think I'm flattered by your use of my methods. You're degrading them, man. Go get your own.

Besides, that's a terrible analogy. And I'm not gonna answer this because it's the same as the "faulty system, imperfect designer" whine I dealt with at the beginning of this post.

feel free to run man, am not concerned, like i said, am just catching fun.

Ihedinobi: Everything above is actually borne of one thing. You said, gimme one species that had its genome built from scratch and it will be proof of design. And I gave you the first species from which everything evolved.

Now, look at how stu.pid you sound here. To begin with, PLS NAME THE SPECIES YOU GAVE ME.

Advise: You are falling into a ditch. First look at the meaning of species before attempting to call that first "thing" a species. Just an advice out of love man, since i know you are not so familiar with what you debate here.

Now to continue, how can a species have its genome built from scratch?? do you know how many base pair a genome contains I will say no further on that till you reply and wait to see if you will entrap yourself once again

Ihedinobi: Now, I could give a hoot about your protocells. What matters is whether or not there was a first species whose genome was entirely a novelty, not due to any ancestor before it, per your requirements. Was there or wss there not such a species?

As per my requirement,pls name this species you claim so much to have given me just name it, that shouldnt be hard and i dont intended to continue asking you this

Ihedinobi: I'm deliberately ignoring everything else you've said here, including your first laughable response to my comment. I think I've had my fill of red herrings. They can be delicious and funny and fun to chase, but they are useful for obscuring the decay of an argument. And what I'm interested in right now is whether or not you still have arguments worth a damn.

Once again, an unneccesary comment to boost your ego.

I dont much time for such, just name the species you offered that had its genome built from scratch and we can continue from there. Even davidylan will laugh at this

Take your time man, am not interested in mocking you. Love from ooman

meetdonald: If you can not show me an image that symbolizes your facts, i hve Jesus Christ. Then you are a Failure.

I dont have dumb images for dumb people, doesnt make me a failure, rather, it makes me a wise man

meetdonald: When you say God is violent and Wicked = Old Testament = God being Active

When you say God is dead = New Testament = God being Passive & Jesus Christ Interceding for God Mercy on Mankind.

What will YOU say Next?

I will say - i thought you used to say god never changes, then why did he change his character?? did he suddenly realize he was being too cruel and stu.pid and decided to be gentle??, then i would wait for your reply

meetdonald: You people who disproves God Existence must be "Perfectly" Ignorant. The Roman Catholic Church which is the biggest Religious Gathering, The Muslims and all Other Christian Denominations of the World all beileve God exists. These group of people make up almost 95% of the world population, out the remaining 5%, we have other people who have forms of worship to countless deities/gods.

Virtually the WHOLE WORLD agree on the idea of a God. Ooman you cant be that ignorant

I and some little people stand out to be the only sensible people on earth who knows that the idea of god is sensless

meetdonald: OP FAIL ;(

why should i be surprised. Its typical of you religious people to run away from debates why did you try in the first place

meetdonald: Defacing a Worldwide Image shows how pitiful you are. Actually shows we hv something in common or can u show me an image that symbolizes you ridiculous way of life

what could i possibly have in common with someone who believe in a zombie as his lord and savior. I'd rather have something in common with a dog than with you

meetdonald: The only word you fail to comprehend is "CHOICE" Since you actually read the Bible and used it as your agruement, i urge you to find the difference btw Man and Angels.

well, since i dont believe in angels, i will leave you to do the honor of explaning the difference between man and angel

striktlymi: The above is beautiful!



Won a lottery? I am thrilled that you are happy man!



Not in the mood for a dance with logic man! Just catching some fun like you.

#LB was my first victim!

i dont do lottery and am glad you are not in the mood for dance because am not also in the mood to play logic right now, am just catching fun

am out man

meetdonald: The Trinity is not what you can explain with your feeble Human Understanding. Ask Jesus Christ for more Wisdom

sorry but jesus died 2000 years ago, he is now a zombie

pls accept this gift from me ....

Proffdada: Your hell bent antics can only get more troubles now and in the after life

forget the afterlife, lets talk about now. I love you man that is all that matters, god is the iddiot that causes confusion, dispute and war always

Debeloved87: you scared i cross your path?...hahahaha. I said you are a Coward and thats it, and just like you born-fool is taking it personal with yahweh, as if he is already roasting all of your generation in hell and so shall HE do and continue to do with the whole of your existed generation and the ones to exist and that is even if they will, cos you will soon go and join them to be roasted like a fish...hahahahaha:-D;-)

you seem to love this idea of hell so much, i take it your whole family is already in hell.

anyway, its nice talking to you, pls get your deluded dumb brain to church. am too good to discuss with an iddiot like you

striktlymi: Your opinion man! your opinion!!

I am glad you had a wonderful day! What's up? Your gal said Yes?

My gal already said Yes, its another thing man, and am just smiling man

and what i said isnt just my opinion, its a valid logic that you can never disprove

striktlymi: So now your argument is that he does not exist because you believe he can't be found? What a proof!!! Anyways, I found him and he is very much available to anyone who wants to find him.


Your so called proofs are just merely claims you and LB pride yourselves as proofs. If I call something proof, it does not mean that it is indeed a proof.

my argument is that he cannot exist because he cannot love us and be so elusive to find at the same time. simple logic , like i said, just catching fun. I had a good day.

striktlymi: When you have something tangible, you know where to buzz me...

am not surprised, you know that simple logic destroys your argument and then you prevaricated. Typical of you and your pal here. Am just catching fun though ')

striktlymi: This does not address my post...

because it is irrational to believe by faith that there is someone using the username 0909090909090090909090909090909090909090909090 090909 090909 09090 909090909 0909090 9090909 0909090909 09090909 on nairaland without receiving any inputs from such a username.

hope you understand why it is irrational to believe that there is a god out there now

striktlymi: Guy, are you saying that 'elusiveness' is the 'almighty formula' you used to prove your belief that God is non-existent?

you seem to forget that we are talking about someone here not something. if he indeed loves us and does not want us to perish, then he will be available so that we can find him, but no he isnt and still we must believe that he loves us??

get your facts staright man. there are so many other proofs i have offered on this forum, i am leaving very soon sha, you wont see ooman again soon enough so learn as much as you can while you can from me

Ihedinobi: Lol. My twin always got out of a discussion when it became a dance in absurdity. It's one thing that I truly admire him for, but I tend to get in for the long haul whenever I do get in, so I came ready for the absurdity, stuppidity, insanity and plain foolishness. However, this is truly the first time that I have debated someone until they started talking nonsense confidently.

Yeah, I know I've pushed LB hard enough for him to star speaking in conflicting tongues, but at least he had the shame to try and appeal to whoever was reading our discussions to validate him in some way. Ooman, on the other hand, is amazingly dishonest without shame, amazingly dense also without shame and completely without sensitivity to the logic he claims.

A taste, mm?

Ooman asks me, "why would i need to impress you?" because I said, "if you impress me with the need to shrink your head back to normal size for effective discussion, I will. If you don't, I won't." No warning that he should look up the various meanings of "impress" would get through to him. But had he checked, he would have discovered that another way of putting my statement is, "if I get the feeling that you're getting too arrogant for effective discussion, I'll cut you down to size with the "harsh words and abuse" you referred to. If I don't, I won't"

Another?

Ooman asked me, " Who do you blame for the laxity in the car's security?" concerning an analogy that I (oh, if your browser can't display it, the "I" is italicized for emphasis) offered saying nothing at all about laxity, in fact, when considered, quite the opposite. Ooman decides unilaterally that in my analogy the car computer's security must be lax and I am not permitted to wonder why But I am under obligation, according to the new brones on the block to answer for it. Isn't that great reasoning?

Anyway, if I keep pointing the absurdities and inanities out, I may answer the entire post right here and I have no intention of doing so now. I still have to go fetch posts ooman can lie about and I'd much rather grab some lunch and do the other things that come with weekends

Well, ooman of the great brones, see you around. That was one hell of a truly inane and dishonest post, didn't know you had so much in you. I mean, I knew you had more than average, even more than LB, but this much more? You must be shooting for Global GO of atheists. Anyhow, later

Now, what is this that this thing has written again. You never cease to amaze me .

You decided to spend your time posting adhominems when you could have just answered simple questions or countered simple arguments.

No sense can come from anything you wrote above because they are not answers, they are just cries of defeat .

It is understandable though, whenever the religious lack answers, they result to abuse, probably to piss off their discussant so that the argument can be forgotten.

PLS NOTE THAT YOU MAY RUN AWAY FROM THIS DEBATE ANYTIME YOU WISH. You have stayed long enough, even beyond my expectation, the religious dont normally last long in sensible debates, i wont be surprised if i get this sort of replies any time in the future because whenever the religious lack answer to anything, then they term such as inane.

You didnt fall my hand though, i have expected this earlier

Proffdada: Don't let him work on ur anger n try show him the love God wants him to have so he won't perish

there is no love of god to show, there is only hell fire and a man roasting monster called yahweh god to scare people of , however, pls continue to lecture the iddiot to not take this personal

Debeloved87: listen boy, you can think and write or type without speaking. i know you are a coward and an infidel, thats why i challenge you, and you can see yourself hiding under some folks name, you are such a shame of creation.....and going by your signature i can see everything about your belittle destiny of no impact....and let me tell you what Atheism is so you get this into your defective skull....."Atheism is a religion of indolent folks like you with no future, that knows nothing about their begining nor reverence their end, an embodiment of shallowy minds that cant see beyond their nose". Hope u understand that Coward.

What i dont understand is why you have to take this personal. I never refered to you, you refered to me, you could have just ignored me, but you caught fire up.

I am not surprised that you took this personal though, because it just confirms that your god was made up in your head and it doesnt exist anywhere. that dumb iddiot called yahweh god is the coward here for not showing his face, you on the other hand is the deluded sissy who couldnt see beyond his fears.

hope you understand that, junky

alfaman2: Yes, but it doesn't change its nature. Gravity cannot suddenly stop pulling and do 180 degrees and start repelling things. The strength can change but its nature remains the same. This is true of all forces. What you are now insinuating is that this DARK force of yours, after expanding with the universe initially, somehow decided that laws of motion can be dispensed with, and start decelerating on its own. Think hard man. Think hard. Even if you are not a scientist, this should be logically clear to you. Even the most ardent proponents of dark energy have never insinuated that it has the ability to change its nature.

if you have an answer, just post it

Debeloved87: i have not seen you neither do i know you so you can type the rubbish you want to type with you uncircumcised hand, but in The NAME OF THE SUPREME GOD, JEHOVAH ELOHIM, RULER OF THE MIGHTY CHERUBIMS i challenged you and i asked you to profess those things you've been saying about the "SUPREME GOD" with "your mouth" publicly wherever you are and lets see how you will live through this year. Go Ahead, Coward.

Dumb iddiot. How can i write without thinking and speaking first. If i couldnt speak, i wouldnt write. I have spoken and i still live, same as Sam Harris, Dawkins etc and this people are still alive walking down the streets of their countries so shut the f4ck up. Your dumb iddiot god does not exist

striktlymi: Good evening oh demoted one,

On second thoughts, I will 'chicken' out of this debate.

Oh demoted one, i am not surprised.