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Proffdada: ooman u r not an atheist, u r a blasphemist who thought he is an atheist. u acknowledge God's existence but u don't respect Him cuz u feel u r already hell bound. meanwhile to the real atheists they should know that they r no different from animals if they don't believe in the afterlife cuz as humans we bound to return as souls to the afterlife where we spend eternity with the Creator or Destroyer. as science proves for every matter there is anti matter....a word is enough...

Am not an atheist?? ?? you wish.

I speak no blasphemy, I only show the evil in your holy books.

The story of an after life is a bed time story, thanks for sharing it at night.

FOLYKAZE: Goshen : Mary was a virgin, gave birth to Jesus without having sex and no knowledge of artificial insemination.

Catholic : Mary is a virgin forever with additional five kids

Obadiah : Joseph is the father of Jesus. The Jewish man f*ucked Mary

we learnt that the fact is, Joseph, Mary and Jesus didn't exist. They are all like talking tortoise in the yoruba mythology

Dang, I cant stop laughing.

^^^sorry for calling you kid.

I hope now, you know what the word "time" means and that the only thing that can exist outside time is "nothing", so you saying god is outside time is saying god is nothing, god being nothing means he doesn't exist.

davidylan: Dumb. I am one of the few christians here who actually believes that the bible supports the earth as being way more than 6000 yrs old.

Engaging you dumb fools more interested in gotcha moments is a disgusting waste of precious time.

Why not, because you have irrefutably and unwillingly but forcefully understood that 6 days creation 6000 years ago CANNOT be true LMAO soon enough you will drop the whole myth, am optimistic for your situation.

Your other comment is a cry for help I can help ya, just listen to reason, you will be healed from this god madness

davidylan: Complete idiocy. Why are "smart" atheists like you parked in European nations? go home now...

Whàaaaãâaaaaaaaaaaaaāææättttttttttt

who is talking?? someone who lives in the US or he who lives in Ojota.

Why dont you come back home first, you hypocrite

plaetton: Yeah. By the same logic, if god is seperate from creation, as most theists would claim, then, god does not exist in creation, as all atheists claim.
It is funny that , in this case, both theists and atheists agree on the same logic, but disagree on the implication.

Plaetton, you are simply great by this comment.

Can you allow me to reuse it, then maybe open another thread so that we can discuss this?? or you can do it

Joblessness - the fact is that there is no god.

davidylan: Well if you calmed down long enough to READ... OVER 6000 yrs ago means 50000 yrs is in frame no?

BIG LIE

you said 6000 years because you believe in a 6000 years old earth, no?

davidylan: Well then what are you doing parked here?

am telling you to stop believing in santa so that Africa can progress. people like yourself, the shameless adults who believe in bogeyman are delaying our success

Ihedinobi: Lol. You don't wanna catch fun anymore?

had enough

Ihe -

God is outside time.

God automates creation

First species popped into existence from nothing and evolution started

If a designed system is faulty, blame the system or the parts

etc etc etc



am done laughing.

thanks for the good time kid

davidylan: well keep searching now...

You mean I should keep searching for god like a needle in a haystack?? ?? I'd rather search for a needle in the ocean

davidylan: Dude you're in the incoherent babble zone now. Of course people of faith see faith in a deity as the central tenet of their religious conviction... that has been so for over 6000 yrs. Are you just noticing that people of faith embrace faith?

Wrong!!!

Oldest religious artifact dates back to 50 000- 70 000 years

ifeness: How about intelligent designers not designer ? I think our planet is an oasis in a galaxy of stars. It will be arrogant of humans to think they are the only ones in the universe. Perhaps some advance beings came over to make sure man's evolution was a success. I am not talking about the bible God here pls,so no unnecessary bible quote in case anyone want to reply me.

Looking at the way humans presently carry out research on animal behaviours,cross breed etc......other beings may have done the same to us.

@bold- dreams and delusions

Emusan: LOL you're a little bit confuse here because some of your past post read "the fact is God doesn't exist"

My point simply buttress the fact that he does not exist, how is that confusing to you??

davidylan: this makes absolutely zero sense. I mean you know for a certain that the lack of a God in the observed world means there is none in the world YOU have not observed?

God is a person not a thing. If he exist, he wont be so elusive to find.

simply great

PhenomenonVFX: Now u sound exactly like a christian I discussed with once.

Well, you edited my comment - this crime is as serious as impersonation.

While my mind is open enough, I dont do very well with ifs and coulds when it comes to spirits.

In my own field - life science - God cannot exist.

^^^this guy really think I have time for his amusement keep dreaming

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]this requires considerable debate.

Let me give you an example, say for example out of a feeling of goodness, a King decides to pardon a serial killer and r.apist. the same person later comes back and murders the King. His goodness was WRONG. He should have done the RIGHT think by being bad and killing the evil guy, without listening to his mercy pleas.[/quote]If the king pardons a serial killer/ra.pist, giving him freedom, then the king is not good enough in his judgment. The king has not done good in this regard but a great evil by letting a murderer go free.

The reason why anything is termed good is because it favours people

Anything that is good in itself cannot lead to evil

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]for example, many a times, you have good intentions, but they are wrong and lead to wrong things.

there has to be a balance.[/quote]If your so called good intentions lead to wrong things, then they are not as good as you think.

Good will always produce good, bad :- bad.

Maybe what we should debate is how we define good. Different definitions of a subject matter always lead to disagreements like this.

ghostofsparta: Appreciate the call to correction but I forgot what the ancient Chinese military class were called?


My response to the bolded ^:
I consider myself an A'theist (Aborisha Theist) while you, supposedly a Yoruba African think yourself an Atheist (those who don't subscribe to any sort of theistic assertions such as the believe in the existence of deities (God, gods and divinities), and also the disbelief in ridiculous claims unprovable by science such as miracles supernatural magic and the paranormal), if so, did you happen to watch a video sometimes ago wherein two fornicators were jujufiedly glued together? Can science provide an explanation to that? Don't tell me that penis captivus crap, can science provide an explanation to some element of people among us in Yorubaland and Igboland whose skin and body have been rendered impervious to bullets and machete cuts? Can science throw explanation to preternatural feats some deep-rooted Babalawos, Oniseguns and certain agbas (very old folks) in remote villages underdeveloped by government, all whom still possesses esoteric knowledge on how to vanish or become invisible, effectuate teleportations or walk through wall among several others? I know you won't believe and that's why I exist, because one day you all religious and scientific disbelievers in Nigeria and abroad will have nothing to say when you watch it on YouTube after reading my book either in form of a blog or paperback, I can't say for now but would be titled 'Why I Am Yet To Be An Atheist, Enter: Yoruba Advanced Sciences', and ofcourse it's also going to be published on Nairaland too.


My response to the bolded ^:
I also don't like using the term spirit since a whole lot of people don't even understand the concept of what should be addressed as 'spirit', therefore let me enlighten you a bit so you will hopefully stop getting it twisted like them religionists do, before I continue, note that I want your mind removed from the kind of spirit the religionists refers to i.e. the human kind of spirit that the Bible always illustrate to be in need of redemption and salvation. The Christian spirit is a concept I find not only illogical ut also self-contradictory because, why should after death, one's spirit will be liberated from the same body whose mind was never aware of when the body was alive and conscious, only to chart it own path, also more confusing is it divine association with no other God but the Abrahamic God, I wonder if that could be said of the spirit of those that should be called murderapists many of whom can found at murderpedia.org...

...Without deviating further, let come back to the true concept of what a spirit is, Spirits are umastered energies, what do I mean by that, well I would explain it in detail in a book I am still researching and writing. But note that Sorcerers Arcanists from ancient cultures throughout the world especially those of the Yorubas have studied, understood and personified various forms of these hidden energies/forces, these super-intelligent humans mastered and enforced them with identities only to be summoned by the initiates belonging to various esoteric schools groups scattered around the world since time memorial. As I gradually take you to the realm of metaphysics, I want you to note that these forces are ONLY set to task by those who have truly mastered and can control them otherwise it will consume its wielder. It is some of these suspended personified forces that different folks from different parts of the world tend to call 'spirit' when experienced. Note that the concept of a ghost and the soul are completely different from 'spirit'. Think of spirits as energies/forces yet unknown to science just like the scientifically known forces maintaining the dynamics of an air-craft or the energies that are set to task in your USB flash-drive in the form electricity.


Why would a disbelieving Yoruba atheist want to waste his time learning about the Yoruba's Ifa and Gods Irunmoles /Orishas? Unless you wouldn't mind becoming like me, an A'theist (Supernaturalism - Religion x Science).


Sorry I am not a father confessor...

Leaving the spirit system out of this for now, what do you actually mean? Is it that money ritual can't be performed or it isn't just true?

Why are you just reiterating what I have explained already explained before, because I can't see any question here. Secondly, please be corrected about Eledumare/Olodumare because according, to Ifa; there's not odu that describe the sex of Olodumare/Eldedumare, it's even stated that no one, even the Irunmoles and Orishas have seen IT before, for it has no gender, it is only the Abrahamic God that has and is still continue to be addressed as a 'he' implying that their monotheistic God(Yawheh/Allah) is a male. According to Yoruba cosmogony, as repositoried in Ifa, all matters concerning morality, ethics, good and evil are left to 400 Irunmoles in their respective departments. Eledumare/Olodumare doesn't share the same moral dictatorship with the Abrahamic God, and also doesn't have a permanent adversary or any adversary at all, aside from the Irunmole Owo (money) whom according to Ifa defied Olodumare/Eledumare and was hence cursed to seek and be sought after by the same humans he proclaimed before Olodumare/Eledumare to more popular than, other than that, Eleduamre/Olodumare has no enemies, not even an approximate equivalent of the Abrahamic Satan the Devil.


What would you like to bet with? and it shall be proven to you that not only do they exist, they are everywhere to be harnessed and tapped by those who can.


You seem to be mixing things up big time, if you believe there's nothing like money ritual, fine, it's 4:21 AM now, drowsy and tired of typing over a slow connection, I have done my own bit by freely clarifying and explaining years of personal research and observation all in a bid to enlighten those who are confused about Bebe2's misleading topic of which, ever since it popped up on the front page, haven't slept properly, wasting my life trying not to convince you but inform you.

GOOD MORNING
Zzzzzzz!

will reply soonest

PhenomenonVFX: ooman From what I can see now, the both of us are in no disagreement that the god personified by most religions is spurious. Where we disagree is that u choose to believe there is NO God at all but I believe there MAY BE God. I am afraid it will take us the lifetime of the universe to agree on that part as long as there remains no conclusive evidence to prove or refute either claim.

What is darkness except lack of light.
What is spontaneity except lack of automation.

The evidence for the absense of god is conclusive enough.

^^^NL religion section is so much of an amusement park.

^^^ The guy is a muslim, a jihadist, I couldn't expect any better from terrorists and he has extended this islamic terrorism to NL.

Muslims should be ignored, I have learned that.

PhenomenonVFX: Ur premise is based on a false assumption. U assume that God wants to be found. What if He doesnt? That is the centrality of deistic beliefs. The aloof God. The apathetic God. That is why I am a deist not a theist. Ur arguments will better resonate with the theists.

By logical syllogism, if the bolded assumptions are false, then ur conclusion in red is false too.

Am sorry. Am so used to theists than to deists when debating, this is why I seem to shift to a theistic argument.

From a deistic point of view, you may be right, what if this Intelligent Designer ID, does not want to be found? What if he is just some aliens with sophisticated technology to make a universe?

What ifs and even more what ifs are not answers, they are assumptions and we know from observation that there is a great difference between automated works of intelligence and nature. I used 'automation' since the deistic point of view is that the IDner started everything and allow it to continue itself or is that right?

Intelligent automation follows a particular algorithm, deviation from this stops the system from functioning, but in nature, in living systems now, we do not see such algorithms, instead, we see spontaneous occurrences based on changing environment and we also document appearance of new organisms. We see favorable traits occuribg by chance and every other thing provable in nature are chances and spontaneity that could terminate the whole of everything that exist.

We know that the sun will blow in some 10billion years and earth will be destroyed.
We also know the universe cannot exist forever.

This makes one ask questions about what intelligence would start something he/she wouldn't finish? what is the aim of this designer since everything designed could self destruct and in fact will self destruct with time?

Works of intelligence always have purposes, life and the universe seem to lack purpose, aim and objective. This is why an intelligent designer couldn't have made nature, except if what we now debate is How much intelligent is this designer?? If that is, then at some points, it still wont add up for any designer in nature.

The only thing that completely add up is that there is no god, or IDner at all in nature. The only thing that adds up is atheism.

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While I find nothing wrong with the updated rules, the whole world knows that NL religious section is run with bias against atheists.

The Flying Spaghetti will vindicate us and save us from oppression of Jesoul and like.

^^^already in the op

PhenomenonVFX: But we arent certain that there is no
God. I like to think of the existence of
God as a theory yet to be verified or,
more precisely put, proved. Take dark
matter for instance, which itself is still a
theory at the moment (although I hope
they find proof for it soon and I have
faith in science). In the case of dark
matter, scientists realised that there was
a great discrepancy between the
observable universe and what their
equations was giving them. Hence they
came up with dark matter to account for
the unobservable. It is still a theory at
the moment. Gravity was a theory at one
time too. So we need conclusive proofs
before we adopt or refute a theory. And
in the case of God we dont have it yet.

Talk of dichotomy, the perfect between "someone" and "something". God is not dark matter that doesnt have intelligence. God is a conscious entity that in fact want us to find him as we are told. Therefore if god exist, he wont be so elusive to find because he is someone not something. Hope you understand that.

God is not a needle in a haystack, he is supposed to be the most obvious one in the universe.

The fact that god is so difficult to find disproves his existence to begin with. We may continue this if you wish

^^^what is certain is that if there is no god in the observed world, then there is no god in the parts we have not observed.

I love to take this argument with deists than with xtians, even xtians now abandon their bible and take deistic position this days.

This one really beats me.

14. Scientists once thought that the universe was 12-15 million years old

www.nairaland.com/915300/chance-intelligent-design-creation#10617977

11. God created things and allow them to evolve.

This particular lie is being propagated by Striktlymi on NL, how he could not know that such thought would term god lazy beats me.

12. The whole universe was made for man and man alone.

13. All atheists and fans of other religions will burn in hell, only xtians will make heaven.