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frosbel: I admire your motto, if only atheists Stalin and Chairman Mao had nurtured this same value, 200 million lives could have been saved in the 20th century alone.

its has been proven times without number that those two characters indulged in state religion - google that - they weren't atheist. they believed in spirits, they just didn't believe in the dumb jewish and arabic god.

striktlymi: Do you really want to dwell on this? It's rather silly!

Anyone can see that you did not quote me but yet you want to go down this un-intellectual journey? You have a sharp brain and an active mind, don't allow them dwell on a matter so trivial...

Just agree you failed

[quote author=baby_123]Ooman, I have a question for you. What exactly do you believe in? Where do you get your morals which guide you as a human being? Don't make reference in thought or words to anything similar to the bible or upbringing or culture, because all that is rooted in part in some religious belief.[/quote]I believe in what I can prove

In the law of DO NOT HURT OTHERS, upon which all other laws judicial or religious are based.

I only reference nature, never customs or religion.

OLAADEGBU: I trust you to be left with the use of ad hominems when you cannot come up with any reasonable, rational, logical or scientific argument.

another dumb reply

striktlymi: Oh okay! I have longed suspected that deep down, you do believe in deities but have a problem with the Abrahamic viewpoint of God.

At least it's an improvement from your deluded initial position of unbelief...

Duh? man, you need your binoculars for real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

striktlymi: ...for sports really! It's kinda dull being
on sabbatical without having a 'past
time'

Weak excuse. Pls check the meaning of apologist again to educate your self. If you are not an apologist, then am not an atheist, i just dont believe in god. Such dumb logic. A failed excuse

striktlymi: If you want your car not to be stolen by
armed robbers, I guess in your view, it
would be wise to lock your car in a tilt?
Or it would be foolish for a parent to
keep his belongings inside the home
just because the Children would still
have access to it?

Again useless, baseless defence. We are talking about a very delicate fruit that changes course of events and you are presenting car analogies? Am disappointed.

striktlymi: A two year old would do something
without fear of repercussions from the
parent because he is not up-to the age
of reason but here are two adults who
are capable of thinking for
themselves...the analogy with the two-
year old does not hold water.

Another heartless, non thinking reply and evasion of truth. We are talking about newly created humans who are created tabula raza. They didnt know the real repercussion and they were only told they would die after which god left them with the ultra malicious sneaky serpent who told them the truth. And you still think my 2 year old analogy cannot hold water?? Dont be silly.

striktlymi: Have you heard of the term: "Garbage in
and garbage out"? If you give a
computer crap, it gives you back a sh*t
load of crap! This has nothing to do with
the design really but how we put what
has been designed to use. The design is
created to follow certain laws and one
of such laws is: DO NOT SIN!!!

You are right. A dumb designer puts garbage in, and mistakes are ubiquitous in nature.

Sin cannot cause mutations in babies. Wake up my guy.

striktlymi: God gave man all that he needs for
sustenance but man decided to put man
at the mercy of man, not God.

Where was god the designer as such times that his designs were getting corruption right at the foundation?

striktlymi: Lucifer was an Angel but as it stands
now, we really cannot describe him with
such a title...the best we can call him is
'fallen Angel'...hope you don't need me
to show you the difference between
Angel and 'fallen Angel'?

Fact remains that he remains an angel, all other things are useless prevarication.

striktlymi: No one is given immediate Eternal
punishment without a chance to prove
him/herself.

What second chance was the devil given?

striktlymi: God does not need your money...and it
is inherent in man to want worship. Go
through history and see for yourself.

It might be inherent in you to want to worship because you and your kind remain primitive, it is never in me to worship. Heck, i could also worship my d*ck.

striktlymi: Sin brought imperfections as I have
earlier said...

How exactly has always been the question

striktlymi: Not mine buddy...yours? You have already demonstrated that you have a thing for the pagan gods.

yes, I have a thing for african gods because they are our gods not some strange, human sacrificing jewish monster. but that still doesn't mean I believe in spirits.

striktlymi: *In your voice* Am I your teacher?

enjoy this delusion why it last and tell me the meaning of "quote me"

onyfrank: dnt lie. Well, anytn goes 4 atheist. Bt i knw u ar lieing.

good tins appen to atheists, then na lie. but when it happens to xtians, na miracle.

^^^two dumb iddiots deluding each other

Rexyl: The truth of all matter is that man exists in body, soul/mind and spirit. What makes us different from animals is even beyond our reasoning ability which many people are trained to believe. If the spiritual aspect has not been there we could not have reasoned and design beyond what our mind had been programmed to achieve going by the way of nature. In science a system works and delivers within the scope of its use, what is programmed to do. A radio set can not deliver the work of a refrigerator. Learning from what happened to the first man, he was originally living within the frame of his mind until the time the Spiritual aspects came in that he began to imagine a bigger picture about himself and beyond. Also, consider the animals they have not performed beyond the makes of their souls - their instincts even with all complex phases of evolution that might have incurred . You have not seen a group of one of the closest relatives of man: gorila, monkey or chipanzy as science makes man to believe, living their habitats in the wild and thinking of building luxuries to comfort their lives. Evolution is just a concept of physical phenomenon over the time, it is the spirit that makes man to diligently and intellectually fulfils purpose of creation. Man has been from time prone to forces of evil and good, and done some unreasonable things that science can not handle except there is a spiritual rebirth.

For humans and animals both breath the same air and both die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! Both go to the same place - dust from which they came and to which they must return. For who can prove that human spirit goes upward and the spirit of animals goes downward into the earth? Eccl. 3v19-21

kambo: The bible says the
life of the body comes from the spirit
and wen the spirit is taken out of the
body the body dies. Meaning... The
electrical pulses that keep ur heart
beating comes from ur SPirit!

If the bold is true, why does a pacemaker keep the heart beating. Does it have a spirit too?

kambo: Science believes man is body
and mind (mind is a component of d
soul) - so by extension science believes
in soul because the mind can b
observed to some extent. Science
doesnt blve tht man is a spirit, in other
words science picture of man is
incomplete using this incomplete profile
it tries to solve man's problems

Science never believes man is body and mind. Science knows man is body only. Where do you get your own science from? Science can also believe man is body and memory - what sort of dumb thinking is that which you continue to force on science.

kambo: Some problems baffling society
and science. Divorce: high rate of
marital failures despite relative affluence
of modern man. 2.) violence : violence
gore murder is d bane of urban life 3.))
Indecency - a billion dollar industry tht
is corrupting young children wrecking
homes and marraiges and causing wives
heart ache. 4.) greed and corruption:
the picture abt the modern man is a
materialistic one . Tax evation,
corporate prostitution, money
laundering etc these are some problems
plaguing soceity threatening the very
fabric of it. And science is almost
helpless at providing a lasting solution
because it's viewpoint.
.

How exactly has religion helped the above?

ihedinobi: Are you sure that it was my post you
meant to respond to here?

Duh

ihedinobi: Until I CLAIM (note that word, claim, I
bolded, italicized, underlined and
capitalized it just for you) that your
flying pig does not exist, I have nothing
to prove to you or anyone concerning its
inexistence. I can simply disbelieve you
and hold on to whatever private
conviction I have about it.
However, if I challenge you, then I must
produce arguments for my conviction.

I also have shared my view of the existence of god. I challenged god not you, so why are you replying.?

There is a reason for everything. If i ask whether you believe in my flying pig and you say no, then burden of proof comes on you. So, do you belie in my flying pig?

Besides, i dont go about, preaching my flying pig, i dont force it down your throat like you dumb religious do, because whenever i did that, then, you will be forced to speak as atheists ate this day.

So when next you see an atheist thread, let your brain be sharp enough to ignore because once you join a discussion, then you are making a CLAIM my dear dumb oaf.

ihedinobi: No, logic is a pretty nifty tool for me,
I've found. We get on rather well. You,
on the other hand, are a shame messing
with it. Because of you, iddiot logicboy
now has bragging rights, that there's
one person who has even more calcified
brains than he does.
Honestly could not compute how that
could be because lb is so dumb that his
brains seem to be completely made out
of bone. Perhaps, the difference is that
you've got bigger and denser brones
than he does.

and you said this, why??

Only fools know fools. I know better than to say anymore to the above comment, presumably made by a human

striktlymi: Good day ooman,

Is it possible to have a logical conversation with one who does not know the meaning of "quote me"?

pls my dear boss, tell me the meaning

ihedinobi: Is that right? I am certain that I have
already addressed this by pointing out designed systems run on set parameters. If those parameters alter, so will the output of such systems. Of course I say that because you will defend the above with appeals to the consequences of glitches in the systems, a tired routine that you are beating senseless with a stick.

Once again i ask, if the parameters fail, is it the fault of the designed system or the fault of the designer. Logic seem to be too much for you.

ihedinobi: The very argument that I answered. If
God designed creation to continue producing new life forms,it will continue to do so after He has finished creating. Simples. Saying to me again that the Bible said He finished, finalized,
completed, bla bla bla EVERYTHING is tantamount to asking me to repeat myself yet again. Nothing in any of the language you've
used disallows God from finishing His work of creation and creation going on to operate as He designed it to, e.g. producing new life forms if he programmed it to do that.

Well, you conflict the bible here. Your idea of god is created in your own head and your idea of god fails because the same way new life forms are evolving right now is the same way the very first life forms evolved and so, if nature lacks your god right now and even more complex beautifully superficiality designed systems are appearing anew, that is just a relic that it has always lacked a designer.

Now is when nature contains the most complex system and if it can self coordinate and originate those systems now, there is no doubt it can self originate even simpler compartments, combinations of which produced more complex systems existing presently, rendering the idea of a once upon a time designer god useless, my dear dullard Ihedinobi.

ihedinobi: My friend, are you tired of debating?

Duh!! We are talking about a living god here who wrote a book and who speaks to you, probability is not an answer for such except if your own faith is based on probability, Don Iddiot-in your own words.

ihedinobi: Again, a nonsense reply.

A fool's evasion of truth.

What sort of a god subjects his creations to extinction? Such intelligence is too dull to exist.

ihedinobi: Perhaps the lion's system was designed
like that, perhaps it wasn't. What I have no problem insisting on is that any failure in nature can be accounted for by man's break with God, not necessarily by God's poor design ability or wickedness. Until you can fault that argument, you waste your time saying things like the above.

Fault what exactly, a baseless, senseless ancient position? You would notice i ve been avoiding it, its not worth my energy.

Man ate a fruit and suddenly, lions started eating meat and snakes started producing venoms! Pls kill such dumb logic.

I hope you dont believe pigs can fly too! Its surprising what nonsense position you are presenting to me whats more surprising is that you believe it to be true.

ihedinobi: I don't normally do this and I doubt
that I have energy to spend like that, but this response here clearly calls all your show of science a lie and I would gladly
exhibit it as evidence of your quackery wherever I find you claiming some kind of scientific expertise. It is not only in engineering that systems control/control systems is studied in some form. Even in the biological sciences, we learn that changes in the operation of any given system or mechanism forces the system to shift to accommodate them thus altering the output. What's so hard to understand about that?

Lord dumb, how exactly does the above answer the question-if a system is faulty, who do you blame? The system or the designer?

Dont be a waste of time.

ihedinobi: And how is this reply not grasping at
straws and an effort to confuse issues?
The issue we're debating is if an intelligent designer cannot design a system he's creating to carry on forming, producing or "creating" new things after he's finished creating it.
Why do I need to shpw Scriptural evidence that God designed creation to go on producing new things after He
finished His work of creation? That's neither here nor there and is the reason I asked if you've grown tired of debating.

Evasion for lack of answer. You dont need the whole epistle above to substantiate your claim. We all know your own god is in your head. The bible god finished making everything and he ordered they must "produce after their kind " and here you are claim he said they "may produce other kinds "so pls substatiate your claims.

ihedinobi: Now it's obvious that you're unravelling.
What I submitted was an alternative
explanation for why there are
"mistakes", as you call them, in nature.
It is your unproven claim that God does
not exist.
You appeal to the existence of these
"mistakes" to say that God does not
exist and I have shown that they do not
nullify the argument for His existence.
Rather, they strengthen it.
So circling back to insist that God does
not exist is simplu singing "lalalalalala"
with your fingers stopping your ears.

Delusions. Presence of mistakes disprove an highly infallible, perfect, omnipotent god.

Does mistakes and perfection blend, does fallibility and infallible blend? How can a god be perfect and at the same time make mistakes?

Duh, you are a pain in a dog's azz.

ihedinobi: Well, if man was lord of the material
realms, then he was responsible to
administer them. Peehaps while he was
willingly God's minister for the earth, he
could have been learning to rule the
forces of nature and harness them to
God's purposes, but because he broke,
hwhat ability he may have had to rule
said forces may have deteriorated so
that now it may be imperceptible. Or
maybe hebroke with God before he had
completed his training in the mastery of
the material realms.
Whatever be the case, we know that
nature responds a great deal to man's
activities. How we use our land, water
and vegetation does, to some degree,
affect rainfall, in fact. That helps you,
I'm sure

How exactly does eating a fruit affect the amount of rainfall or cause lions to be carnivorous suddenly is the question. Stop prevaricating.

How exactly does one man's action of eating a fruit make everything fall into sh1t and cause disorder?

ihedinobi: Ok, I get it. You have seen one thing
built from scratch and you have chosen
the dishonorable path to break your
word. smiley
It's ok. I was sure that you are
intolerant of honor, so I didn't quite
expect you to really accept the
argument for creation when I accepted
your challenge and produced the
species you demanded.

Sorry i missed the species, pls provide it again, my dear liar!! .

striktlymi: Yes, Sacred scriptures does not contain a complete knowledge about God. Quote me!

I take it its revelation that gives complete knowledge then, delusions. bible is a failure then, am quoting you

striktlymi: Your comment proves you wrong!

how exactly?

yall leave the guy alone. he is just telling you prayer is really useless

striktlymi: Quote me! Sacred scriptures does not contain a complete knowledge about God!!!

God's word, revealed by him, about hhim, does not contain complete knowledge about him! great.

striktlymi: Now you are being emotional and sentimental!

Emotional blackmail do not work with me babby!

Emotional blackmail, exactly what your god is guilty of.

Am not an emotional person

striktlymi: Hmmm...but you know Yahweh not? How then is this comparison possible?

but the bible contains complete knowledge about yahweh and that is how I know yahweh or is the bible not complete anymore.?

striktlymi: Can you accuse a man of stealing his own property? All the Earth belongs to God...he created it and as such is free to give whatever land to whoever he wishes.

Are you going to say that you did wrong by taken a house you built, which per chance is presently occupied by a destitute, and given it to your son?

did some with common sense and emotion wrote this? even the house belong to me, I am sensible enough to know to go to court to send them out, even if I wont do that I surely will not send assassin to kill the destitutes but what did god do? he sent his assassin children to murder the inhabitants. how is that for a god who is love.

you are loosing your humanity speaking for that criminal called yahweh.

striktlymi: ...in your dreams man! in your dreams!!

you'd be surprised when we achieve that

Logicboy03: This was sarcasm. Dont take this thread seriously

understand that

^^^ah. probably as an equal with yahweh. definitely not because he is as evil as yahweh.

I see atheists eating me up.

Striky claims am notan atheist, LB claims my inputs are too much.

The truth about yahweh must be told and this i have taken up as a job till yahweh dies out of africa.

Not very great, however yahweh stole other peoples land for them on which they settled and built their greatest empire when a man who died an apatheist/agnostic, Solomon, ruled after which they deteriorated when other dumb yahweh worshiping iddiots ruled again

striktlymi: I am glad you finally admitted to your belief in deities

i dont believe in spirits. Both pagan gods and jah are all ideas formed in your heads

striktlymi: ...sure you are not but for the pagan gods

you know, the pagan gods are better than yahweh

striktlymi: I leave you at the mercies of your spaghetti monster

my flying monster doesnt care if i refer to another deity. He is not monster yahweh

striktlymi: Oh thou child of mischief...you still have the impudence to dishonour the flying spaghetti monster?

no, i meant a flying pig. Sue me

striktlymi: You are a deist...you are!

stopping force stup.dity on me. Am not a believer :p