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striktlymi: **In the voice of master LB** EPIC FAIL!!!

that only displays your lack of unbderstanding of basic matters

striktlymi: ..so you do believe in deities! Gooda! Gooda!!

nope

striktlymi: ...that would mean the OP believes in deities which would render his beliefs as an Atheist invalid! Atheism is really not compatible with your beliefs...

to prove something wrong you must use available proofs. I only use available proof of the xtian god to show why he doesnt exist, that doesnt mean i believe he exist.

Rossikk: @poster, Always qualify your references to "God" with "the christian God" or "the Jewish God". Most of what you are typing is related to accounts about God given by THOSE specific groups.

sorry. Will do just that.

striktlymi: I don't consider myself an apologist! I am not smart enough to be one!

if you are not an apologist, then, why are you replying critics. You dont need a ccertificate to be aan apologist, you are one already. or dont you know what it means to be an apologist anymore? na wa oo!

striktlymi: The above has been thrashed before. Refer to the discuss in https://www.nairaland.com/1254148/why-idea-god-fraud/6#15236954

in your dreams. all the did was prevaricate.

striktlymi: You have started with this baseless accusations again. You know full well that being a test-subject (as used by you) is very different from testing someone. Need I explain the difference to you?

what "baseless" accusations?

what I have there usa fact.

striktlymi: You really amaze me by this line of thought...are you saying that it is wrong for a Father to have his own stuff because he has children around? God did the responsible thing by keeping the tree separate in order to avoid a mix-up somewhere.

ha ha now you really amaze me with this pathetically dumb reply. why cant god put that totally unnecessary tree on a volcanic island in polynesia or somewhere in the middle of sahara desert where no man inhabits in the beginning.

do you really have to make your self dumb just to make an already dumb god sound wise??

striktlymi: If. a dad asks his children not to mess around with his stuff, he actually means that and when the kids decide to be naughty, do we then say that the Father is wrong to have gotten some things for himself?

A wise dad wont put his next presentation where his two years old can tear it or scribble on it. that is exactly what god did. how silly and stu.pid

striktlymi: Directing the affairs of man is just like saying without God there won't be man. That is, God is a prerequisite for the existence of man. It does not mean that God decides for man.

you obviously have problems understanding english language.

you know, you are really annoying when you deny the obvious. next time ignore what you cant answer.

when someone directs, what does hhe do? he controls. the opinions of his subjects do mot matter. he is the boss, his decision is final and that iis exactly what god does according to isaiah, which is wwhy we lack freewill if god exist.

striktlymi: If you must know, death, diseases etc are a consequence for sin. Man chose to sin and in effect chose the path to sickness, death and the likes...if man had not sinned, all these wouldn't have happened.

man didnt choose to sin because god already knows man would sin which man must or god's foreknowledge is false and god becomes fallible.

what am struggling to understand is how the eating of a fruit affect the amount of rrain that falls for example which leads to flood tthat kills man or how ut turned lion to aa catnivore or changed man's physiology to this present one overnight.

striktlymi: Do we say that a man who chooses the path of lawlessness does not necessarily choose the path to the jail house or gallows?

how exactly did man "choose " lawlessness by eating a fascinating fruit?

striktlymi: The point is still the same...different designs does not necessarily imply a deformity.

except if it is inherent on the designs to fail, or loose suddenly as life dies or fails suddenly

striktlymi: God has given man more than enough resources for everyone to get by. There are more than enough to feed every man, woman and child in the world but sadly, these resources have been hijacked by a few. The ish we have in terms of starvation etc is not that God has not provided but that man is being inhuman to man.

so god put man in mercy of man and see how everything goes? good plan

striktlymi: You make me laugh!

you just did

striktlymi: The Angels worship him willingly!

ir they get flung to hell. they have no option. they are slaves of worship because god is aa tyrant and a dictator.

striktlymi: If there is no option then Lucifer would have remained an Angel.

what exactly is he now, a man or a cow

striktlymi: Itis amazing how we are quick to say things we won't tolerate as humans. A president will never accept a coup d'état or even espionage will merit someone the hang man's noose...a captain of a ship will not accept any form of mutiny...thinking of it alone may earn you death but when it comes to God, the story is different. Hypocrisy is what I call it.

so you really think that etetnity of lake of fire. is just? then you must also think god is just right for killing lit's wife

striktlymi: Lucifer mutinied against God and got a just punishment for his actions!

immediate eternal damnation without second thought or second chance, you call that just?

striktlymi: You want to compare punishment meted against the flesh with that given to the spirit?

lame failed excuse. the fact is that the pubishment is etetnal and that is unjust. even man offer parole to those condemned to life imprisonment.

striktlymi: If a president wants service, you want respect from your kids when they come, I want to dominate my computer, another person wants to ride his horse the way he sees fit, why then do we complain when God wants worship from his creatures? Do you ask a horse if you can ride before you ride it? But God wants us to choose whether to worship him or not.

if god wants my money, I can give him the little i can afford, but I cant give the beggar my life and time
that is too much. a president could also ask that all his country men start worshipping him and we ll see how that goes. everything other thing can be given, never my life in worship.

striktlymi: Do you have principles? If you do, you would know the essence of not breaking those principles at will. God has designed it such that man will be self sufficient...need I repeat this again? Abeg refer to my previous comment.

and who says its just about man? what about the processes we have absolutely no control over like earthquake and mutations in embryos. abeg commot for here

striktlymi: Refer to my earlier comment!

absolutely useless and uunrelated earlier comment uh?

striktlymi: I am glad you know that that the logic you presented was dumb!

am glad you agree your logic and analogy was dumb but why use it when you know it was dumb?

Ihedinobi: It's ok if you're surprised. I think you've been in a cave too long to have experienced human intelligence, real human intelligence before.

Anyway, I can choose to not believe that your flying pig doesn't exisr. That's my affair. But the instant I start claiming that it in faxt does not exist, it becomes my responsibility to prove that it doesn't.

Like I said, simple logic.

how can you say something does not exist without claiming in fact that it doesn't exist.?

once you think my flying pig doesn't and dont believe along with me, then we have two opposing sides and burden of proof is on both of us to prove our sides.

is logic too much for your low capacity brain?

Ihedinobi: Well, nature is God's design

If nature is god's design, then your god must be a quack and inept for creating such an imperfect harmful world.

ihedinobi: The question remains, "could it not have been designed to continue developing and producing new life forms?" Does a creator's work of creation not end when he has finished actualizing a "mechanism" that can go on producing new elements?

The problem with that line of thought is that it was said that god already completed and finished EVERYTHING on earth according to Exo 20v11 which therefore closes the room for the appearance of NEW life forms, but which have been documented.

And we are talking about a living god here not an idol and so, the terms "could, if " do not apply.

And your god couldnt think of a better 'mechanism ' than that which leads to death. He must really be limited in his designs or at least evil.

Ihedinobi: An iddiot's comprehension Weren't you the one who talked about mistakes? Why sound now like the whole system was designed to kill? Are glitches the same as the system itself or failures in the system?

A fool's reply so the lions system is not designed to kill or the snake's venom not designed to paralyze or kill? your god carefully designed such systems for such purposes (if he did) so what exactly do you mean by the bold?

Ihedinobi: Now, by definition, a designed system operates correctly when certain conditions obtain. When they vary in some way, the system's output varies accordingly. Creation, being a designed system, will only run perfectly if its optimal operating conditions are met.

what exactly do you mean by the rubbish above if a designed system doesn't function well, is it the fault of the sysem or the designer. Dont be dumb!

Ihedinobi: Your common sense is only common around willfully dense people. As I have already said, it is not unreasonable that a system continues to produce new elements after its creator has finished producing it if he designed it to do so.

quote one single place in the bible where it says god designed life to continue to create itself except that god finished making everything.

Your reply is a fool's reply to denying the obvious by using the term 'if' when refering to a living god who wrote a book that contains both the past and the future. Your own concept of god is made up in your mind.

Ihedinobi: Sure I do

then you are indeed dumb

Ihedinobi: By deciding that God was not trustworthy and choosing to fashion his own destiny independent of Him.

the god that we can see or that which we cant?. Why would any reasonable person fashion his 'destiny ' according to a mythical character? na wa for you ooo!!

Ihedinobi: Well, creation went south. Man was lord of all the material realms so when he rebelled, like any other monarch or ruler, he took his realms with him into rebellion.

story! story!! what is this rubbish?. even a five years old will find fault with this nonsense.

Ihedinobi: As for why consequences exist, our universe runs on cause and effect. If man broke with God, he effectively broke with the power that kept him and his realms going. That would mean that everything that needed that power to maintain itself would start to break down. It's that simple.

did a person with a functioning brain write the above? how does man breaking with god affect the amount of rain that falls for example.? dont be an idiot

Ihedinobi: Lol. Are we?

So all the above says what exactly? That there was nothing built from scratch from which other things came?

that the story of a designer in nature is dumb and not true.

striktlymi: You want to compare the flesh and the spirit? Punishments meted on the flesh is different from that given to the spirit.

so you seriously think eternal damnation is just you must be a boko haram member

striktlymi: You want to compare the flesh and the spirit? Punishments meted on the flesh is different from that given to the spirit.

seriously now you know the spirit is different from the flesh?? what about those times that you use analogy of man in place of god?? na wa for you ooo

OLAADEGBU: I have given you the scientific evidence that demands that there is an infinite uncreated Creator. Let me give you another declaration, I hope you are well seated so that you don't fall out. The Bible says that Christ, the Creator, "Is before all things, and by Him all things consist (held togeter)" Colossians 1:17

He also said:

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:.

You can see that Christ (not gluons) holds all things together.

what scientific evidence did you give for this hypothetical infinite uncreated creator??

and you think jesus holds all things together because the bible says so, you live in your own world of mental impairment by the bible

striktlymi: Good day Dela,

That's not exactly true...since you didn't read through the post, my first inclination is to pretend as if I didn't see this but what da heck...

When someomeone commits murder and he is sentenced to death or life in prison, do we say that the judge is unjust?

you want to compare jail term with billions and trillions of years of eternity of infinity in lake of fire that god has decided to punish people just because of mistakes they make in 80 or 100 years they live "willingly"? Pls stop denying obvious fact here that god's punishment is too cruel.!

Excuses offered for lack of answeres

striktlymi: ooman I must give it to you, you sure know how to bring about a comic relief when everywhere seem boring...Lol!!!

striktlymi: I hope you don't take me for an apologist?

why not, according to Mat 28v19-20 you must preach the gospel, and another place in NT says you must defend your faith but run away when you are loosing - my emphasis added

striktlymi: Well ooman, the free will God gave is not just meant for him to see whether or not we will worship him willingly. God made us in his own image and likeness and as such, it is expedient that he allow us make our own decisions, which includes whether we want to know him, love him and worship him or not.

the decision that he already knows right? then we are not making a decision, we are only following his set path. except if he doesnt know them, then we are really making a decision.

striktlymi: It takes sheer brute and strength to force someone to worship you but an act of love and respect for an individual to allow another decide to worship him or not. One does not make another a test subject simply by allowing the individual make his own decisions.

YES, one does test someone by waiting for which decision he might take. stop denying logic again. How can you say the bolded. You put two options before someone, you might want to test the person to see which options he might go for, probably to blackmail the person. This is exactly what god did for man, when he told Adam he shouldnt eat of the centered sweet fascinating fruit. He was testing him only so he could blackmail him and hold him hostage of worship forever.

striktlymi: On the contrary, one becomes a test subject for the very reason that the individual is not permitted to choose. Take a 'lab rat' for example. That's a typical test subject that is not allowed to choose freedom or captivity. If the lab rat had been given the freedom of choice, I bet it won't be in a cage.

but such is not the case with god. remember he directs the affair of man according to Isa. 41v4 NLT. So, just like the lab rat, we dont have much options too.

striktlymi: Now to the ish with blind Bartimaeus...


John 9:3
Good News Translation (GNT)
3 Jesus answered, “His blindness has nothing to do with his sins or his parents' sins. He is blind so that God's power might be seen at work in him. 4 As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me; night is coming when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light for the world.”

When it is said that God is pleased that a man is born blind, the simple meaning is that God is aware that the child will be blind and allowed that to happen. You some times argue against intelligent design because of this same reason...how can there be an intelligent designer with the many imperfections we have in nature?...

There lies your answer ooman...some of the imperfections are allowed to be by him. Now, what the designer does with his designs is entirely up to him. A fashion designer has the freedom of being creative...he can decide to make a shirt with sleeves and another without sleeves...

then your god must be really evil and at such, he is not worthy of worship. How could he allow death and diseases always, how could he allow bacterial resistance to our drugs, nullifying oyr efforts? how does that sound like a loving father to you?

striktlymi: Can it be said that because one shirt is made without sleeves then the designer is making a test subject out of that shirt? Why not say that the one with sleeves is actually the test subject? The ish we are having is that man has set a standard for himself, such that when some things do not meet such standards, we tag it generally as bad.

why not? what if the designer is really making a test and see how the market accepts one design or the other.

i set no standard. The only thing that baffles me is how a loving god loves horror movie so much, loves to see children die of hunger and diseases when in the bible, he helped as many, what is happening now. why are many African children dieing of hunger, why cant jesus feed them with 12 loafs of bread anymore?

striktlymi: But the truth is that, the beauty of God's creation lies deep within our souls and not the flesh...the flesh ultimately dies but the spirit lives on. To you, Bartimaeus is blind but to God Bartemaeus can see because the spirit can never be blind when one is with God.

there is no evidence for that

SENTIMENTS- is what the above is

striktlymi: Really? God only cared about our worship of him and decided to go through the troubles of given man free will? I don't think so. It does not make much sense for me to want worship at all costs and allow the creatures I can force to worship me by taking away their free will go about disobeying my every law.

did you read my opening speech - that "willing" worship is what god wants now, he's probably tired of angels, which is why he threatens us with hell.

striktlymi: You forget that the heavenly worship God gets is done by his creatures who decided to worship him willingly. Refer to the battle between the armies of God and that of Lucifer. Lucifer prefers not to worship and he was not forced out of this decision. Those who remained with God were not forced too, they decided to worship him of their own free will.

except that was what they were created to do, angels dont have option of worshiping god or not, they either worship him or get flung to hell, like the devil was or have you suddenly forgotten that? and we are victims of the same evil, silly xtian god!

striktlymi: This is really funny...do you disobey the laws of Nigeria and expect to get away with it if the Government own up to their duties? Would it be wrong to sentence a man to jail for breaking the law? I really do not see how it is wrong to punish one who is disobedient to constituted authorities.

you want to compare jail term with billions and trillions of years of eternity of infinity in lake of fire that god has decided to punish people just because of mistakes they make in 80 or 100 years they live "willingly"? Pls stop denying obvious fact here that god's punishment is too cruel.!

striktlymi: The Devil is not God's greatest enemy because of just worship...it is about winning the souls of Men. The Devil has promised to take his dismissal from the heavenly court on humans and that is why the war he started ages ago rages on to this day.

yea, winning the soul of men for what exactly? isnt it for worship like satanist do this days? na wa for you ooo!

striktlymi: Everything is all about worship and he came down, assumed the flesh of man, allowed himself to be killed because he does not love us? That to me does not sound like a God who wants only worship and who lack care.

did you read this?

ooman: It is obvious that God does not want the best for us, what he wants is the best from us. What about dying for us, his test subjects, isn’t that a great offer? No researcher will ever take the place of their test subjects in an experiment, except of course if the result of the experiment is already determined and if there is some personal gain in it. God understands that if we all perish, at least according to his theory of sin, there will be no creature to willingly worship him, so he took a giant leap, incarnated himself as a harmless and loving savior of humanity when he is in fact saving himself. He made salvation so simple: worship me and live, only so you can worship me forever or reject me and languish forever, in a lake of fire. That doesn’t seem like we have much of a choice, and both will end up the same bad way anyway, you either spend your whole existence worshiping a God and nothing more, or spend it having a compulsory swim in a lake of fire – no personal gain, no personal satisfaction for all involved, it’s all about God. But then, it’s a good thing that God doesn’t exist, that’s great comfort, because as an atheist, I can’t imagine swimming compulsorily nor drowning in a lake of fire, is God kidding me? It’s the most grisly, gruesome evil I can imagine, as if the evil we experience daily in this world is not enough and the irony is, it was well thought out, carefully designed, perfectly built and finely tuned by a God who loved us and gave himself for us. Isn’t it clear now that God doesn’t love us but himself?

na wa for you ooo!!

striktlymi: A glass cup is left on a ball and I had the opportunity of taking it down but decide to leave it to see what will happen...the glass cup fell and shatters on the ground and I scream: ohhhh my mistake? Will that qualify as a mistake? I don't think so. When God allows something he can correct happen, that indeed is no mistake.

so god can really help the situations around but decided to keep watching as everything falls into sh1t your god must really love horror movies then.

he watch as over 300 African children dies of hunger, HIV and malaria daily

as the black death killed millions of europeans in the middle ages.

what sort of a god does that The xtian god is indeed not worthy of our worship.

striktlymi: Obasanjo wants Nigerians to vote for him...

Obasanjo decides to give up his wealth and affluence because he needs these votes...

Obasanjo has the choice of rigging the election and be president anyways...

Obasanjo will still have a hard time getting votes even when he becomes poor for the people...

Obasanjo decides to become poor instead because he wants people to vote for him in order to become president...

Does that sum up what you just told us? What wonderful logic!

such dumb logic and analogy. how many times will i tell you to stop taking man for god in your analogies. man is not perfect, god is, man exists, god does not.

and how does this apply to what you quoted?

striktlymi: Refer to my comments above...



Refer to my comments above...

excuses for lack of answers

^^^that is exactly what the religious think of atheism, without putting into thought that they agree to the same silly logic.

you say nothing comes from nothing, yet you say god came from nothing. what tha f4k is wrong with you all??

striktlymi: Oh gods of my fathers...how can this irreparable blasphemy be corrected? Oya change that thing now now before the flying spaghetti monster smite you with a mighty hammer

no no, i meant that

OLAADEGBU: There is no need to take me seriously. You need to be serious about seeking for answers to your questions. Foundational questions that the evolution worldview cannot answer.

I explained to you earlier maybe it went over your head. I implied that everthing that has a beginning is created but the Infinite Creator has no beginning neither has He got an end. I stated that He is not part of the chain of effects within time, all of which require a cause. He created time and therefore doesn't require a cause since He has always existed, He is beyond time if you can fathom that.

how exactly do you know the bolded?

Ihedinobi: Well, it's simple logic really. Until you have proved that a place does not exist, you have no locus standi on which to declare that it doesn't.

you know what i believe exists - a flying pig and until you prove that my flying pig does not exist, even though i cant show you, you have no locus standi on which to declare it doesnt exist.

how does that sound like logic to you??

na wa ooo!! am really surprised at your level of intelligence.

Ihedinobi: Now, I'm very sure even logicboy in his enormous stupidity would not have made such a patently idiotic conclusion.

The future is not future to God. It is a present event for Him, and for you when you arrive at it. That means that He witnesses your decision as you make it not before you do, because there is no past or future with Him. Everything is occuring in the present for Him.

am sure you dont believe the nonsense you wrote above. you are probable joking.

someone with common sense about the bible god should help this thing out.

OLAADEGBU: That is what I call escapism when you get stuck. It is usually the easiest way to chicken out when you have no leg to stand on.

you said god does not need creation, but you believe any other thing needs creation, how logical is that to you?? why should i take you seriously.

Ihedinobi: Good. I don't need to say anymore. You finished the job. Although I should mark your grave with "knowing who's responsible for a mystery does not preclude curiosity about it".

your opinion, your right

Ihedinobi: I missed where you proved that prayer is an act of insanity and a talking to thin air.

because it doesnt work. i missed when you pray and it works. you when we can try that out. i can bring an HIV patient to you and see how that goes.

Ihedinobi: Tell that to those kids who fire a staccato of questions at their parents at very little provocation, why don't you?

lazy evasion of the truth by the religious, typical of you. not surprised.

Ihedinobi: And I'm supposed to believe that God doesn't exist because ooman says so? Yeah, how perfectly sensible

The other curious thing is how you know for sure that God would direct me to the Bible alone. How do you know this?

ooman doesnt say so. nature says so.

because it is said in the word of god. in the NT where it says the bible is used for "reproof" and other nonsense, you can disprove that by quoting the place.

Ihedinobi: So you were only repeating Krauss', Dawkin's et al's opinions on the matter, that right?

you asked for which book i recommended for you but which you didnt read. stop prevaricating, will ya?

Ihedinobi: Is Strong's the only commentary out there dealing in the original languages?

olodo, Strong's concordance is a bible dictionary not commentary. why would i need a bible commentary in the first place. I only need a bible dictionary so that lairs like you would not get away with lies when discussing with me.

Ihedinobi: My my my. Somebody's bought a tar brush So how have I evinced knowledge of such a thing?

by denying Strong's input

^^^

[quote author=Area_boy]ooman, you are wasting your time.

When a guy uses a quote from the bible as proof that the 7 day week was from "god", you should know what you're dealing with

He started his argument by saying nothing can create itself, but excluded his god from the same rule,

Used the law of thermodynamics to assure himself that the universe is losing energy, but never bothered to explain where this energy "goes". Also failing to understand the law of energy conservation

Finally compounding everything by quoting his bible again as an answer to how the universe came into being and that must be the only answer.
Failing to realise that if everyone had that attitude, he wouldn't have the computer he is typing on right now.

olaadegbu, Do you honestly believe the sh1t you are spewing? really?


you sir, have just earned yourself a troll certificate [/quote]advice taken!

OLAADEGBU: The fact that you are asking where God came from only shows your misunderstanding of the nature of God. You erroneously think that God is bound by the universe and that He is part of the chain of effects within time, all which require a cause. The fact is that God does not require a cause since He has always existed, He is not bound by time and is not part of the physical universe that you see. God is a Spirit, not a sequence of energetic reactions and therefore the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to Him.

forget i ever discussed with you. you are really dogmatic.

Ihedinobi: Is that so, Don Morron's disciple? You don't realize that what you have stated is where designing ability and/or purpose varies, mm?

wrong. that is where nature varies from man's intelligent design

Ihedinobi: If He designed His Creation to evolve to.produce new life forms, why shouldn't they?

i thought that creation was already "completed". dont forget Gen 2v1 - So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was COMPLETED.

why then do we have NEW life forms, new land formations called volcanic islands among others if god's creation was actually COMPLETED AND FINISHED according Gen 2v2 NLT.??

Ihedinobi: Perhaps because it was designed to - that is, if new forms of life are really coming into existence in the manner that you mean.

you mean that god designed a manner that would cause man's extinction, death, diseases among others. your god must be really evil indeed if he truly exist.

Ihedinobi: So?

common sense should tell you that because creation was already finished, new "things" shouldnt be "created" anymore. but we have documented new life forms and understand how they came to be, that they adapted to changing environment and never because they were created from scratch.

Ihedinobi: Something a little beyond you, it seems, judging by the above

here is your gibberish!

Ihedinobi: About operation, we Christians will very gladly tell you that a great deal changed in the overall dynamics of life when man broke with God. That would account for your "mistakes with grievous consequences".

seriously, you really think that the above means something rational??

how did man "break" with god?

when man "broke" with god, what happened? what are the consequences? why should there be consequences?

Ihedinobi: Lol. Ok, let's agree for the sake of argument that evolution is true, then a good example would be whatever triggered the whole thing. How about that?

perhaps now, we are getting somewhere.

What triggers evolution is the changing environment. such evolution is called adaptive evolution, when organisms adapt to different environment, they evolve differently - called divergent evolution, find a pic below - both moths are actually offspring of same mother which developed in different environment.

when they adapt to the same environment, they evolve similarly, even when at different locations, such is called convergent evolution.

ratio of green house gases is the cause of the environmental change, no room for your god in nature, only in your head does he exist.

Ihedinobi: You really are doing your best to surpass logicboy in stupidity, aren't you?

You couldn't possibly have read that post and made such a sttupid conclusion.

Now, I was explaining that because God is not subject to time, our conception of His omniscience in terms of what it would mean if He were subject to time is completely wrong. His omniscience does not run on time, it runs outside and independent of time. So, while an "omniscient" human being would have certain knowledge of a future that is yet to happen even for him, [size=15pt]God has certain knowledge of the "future" because it is not future to Him at all. He's watching it happen, even though for us, we're yet to experience it.[/size]

exactly the point here.

the future god sees must happen according to how he saw it or his vision is a lie. our freewill is therefore a lie.

striktlymi: oh my goodness...buddy ooman just opened another thread just for me? I am touched but unfortunately, I no get power o!

God is your strength - no be so you dey talk?

striktlymi: Yea right, you countered them alright...in your mind

not moved. you are known to deny obvious truths

striktlymi: ^^^Hmmm...having difficulties convincing your brethren that you are Atheist? Don't worry some people can't come to terms with the fact that I am Christian

glad you understand my plight now address the op

Emusan: You didn't get me right, I said one can't base everything about spiritual on Bible you need to do some personal work. Just like someone that wanted to cast out demon and he was poiting the Bible without quoting any verse.

Is it only brain that can damage in humans body?

What I'm saying is this just like Intel processor, it contains more than millions of transistor just in a single 1mm square chip and is being arranged by human likewise somebody must be responsible for our brain too that contains billions of cells for you/scientist to reason well. Give God the glory for that.

except the transistors do not replicate or change and evolve. The cells spontaneously replicate, change and evolve, this is why intelligence is not involved in their formation.

Ihedinobi: And with the above, thw Crown Prince of Idiocy shows exactly why his and his little brother's arguments about the depths of the earth are untenable.

Of course, my dumb friend, any country or point on the surface of the earth could be under the earth depending on where the speaker is standing.

Indeed, the core of the globe can be argued to be the "under" the Bible speaks of, but then the Bible speaks as much of spiritual realities as of material realities so if anyone will judge its words, they have to either prove that some or all of its realities are nonsense, in which case, ot cannot be used as a reliable authority or else the Bible's peculiar method of reasoning must be accounted for.

Here, the Bible talks of the heavens above and means, some of the time, the space above the earth's physical surface and the rest of the time, the spiritual place where God "dwells"; the earth, where we live; and "beneath the earth", generally a sort of the headquarters of the powers of darkness.

So until you can find such a place scientifically, you cannot measure the distance to it scientifically. And if you dismiss the existence of such places, you cannot at the same time talk of having proved the Bible wrong about the distance to it. That would be having your cake and eating it too, Prince Idiocy, wouldn't it?

you must be kidding. You really think I or other rational people will spend our time looking for a mythical place.

Heck, i could also start looking for Atlantis or the talking snake.

na wa oooo

^^^ you can’t disprove something you don’t have proof of. I can’t disprove leprechauns, or Bloody Mary, or ghosts, or Smurfs, or anything that I don’t first have proof of. You can only disprove something by showing how the proof of it is not valid. So to disprove God, you have to use present proofs.

Hope you understand the logic!

Ihedinobi: How is it obvious?
If it doesn't, then what are you complaining about with your thread? The Bible's submission that one cannot discover a thing does not preclude one from being curious about it. Thus, your claim that God and religion stops anyone from being curious is completely destroyed by your own admission.

you obviously dont know what you are talking about. here is your input

Ihedinobi: I think you have difficulty understanding questions. What does the part of your post quoted above have to do with my question? [size=15pt]I asked if inability to comprehend[/size], (I add this part now, but it agrees with the spirit of my question) without help or guidance, [size=15pt]prevents one from being curious[/size]?

which is what i answered no to.

i hold on to the fact that believing in god and in creation stops you from being curious because "god made it" will be enough for your seeming curiosity.

Ihedinobi: Talk about utter nonsense, that's what the above is. I ask God to show (that is, reveal) some mystery to me or teach me something I hitherto did not know, and you conclude that that singular gesture is not only [i]not an action (wonder what it is then) but it is actually a refusal of taking action to learn things? Typical atheist nonsense!

you call prayer and other acts of being completely insane and talking to thin air an action? then you are a complete dullard. since when is talking to oneself in the name of talking to god an action.

Prayer means failure and laziness. Prayer is never one of the adjectives that qualifies curiousness.

Ihedinobi: A teacher does a lot of revealing by asking his students to take a variety of actions. It mat be to read a particular book or try some particular experiment or make certain kinds of enquiries from some particular person or people. Why should God's role as a teacher/instructor/revealer be any different?

because god does not exist and god will not ask you to read any other book except the rubbish he already wrote in the bible. besides, the teacher exists, god does not.

Ihedinobi: Right. Which of your books am I to read to know why you think such a thing?

so many books, Krauss' and Dawkin's or have you forgotten?

Ihedinobi: Don Morron's disciple, your answer to my initial question was that you used Strong's because it "exposes the stupidity of the Bible..." Is it not your stand that the Bible is stupid? Using only a commentary that you believe helps your case does not encourage confidence in the balance in your arguments, my rather dull friend.

sentiments, ad hominems and abuses are not the way out for you.

you are the dull person here. Strong's exposes the bible in its original language, how does that relate to my own beliefs.

I understand you know the bible is worthless when understood in its original language and so you rather hide under the modernized, modified english version. Hiding under shadows - good for you.

Ihedinobi: Is it possible that you really don't know how [size=15pt]omniscience[/size] contradicts [size=15pt]free will[/size]? Or perhaps that there is no contradiction at all, but your atheistic position needs there to be such a contradiction so you need to force me to accept the existence of one?

you just said there is nothing like omniscience here

Ihedinobi: Is it now. Let's see.

If God is outside time, He doesn't have a future. [size=15pt]Therefore, He does not have foresight.[/size] He sort of exists in the present and knows no such thing as a past and a future. So what, for you, may be yet in the future, a future decision is not future to Him. It's happening for Him in the present. [size=15pt]He's not foreseeing it,[/size] He's witnessing it.

which one you dey now, guy??

na wa ooo