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Ihedinobi: Is it now. Let's see.

If God is outside time, He doesn't have a future. [size=15pt]Therefore, He does not have foresight.[/size] He sort of exists in the present and knows no such thing as a past and a future. So what, for you, may be yet in the future, a future decision is not future to Him. It's happening for Him in the present. [size=15pt]He's not foreseeing it,[/size] He's witnessing it.

Seun: We will add it when we see a similar feature on Facebook.

striktlymi: Provided my defense and still waiting for that counter-attack you promised.

striktlymi: Don't worry...though I have no girl friend but I have lady friends who are just what an intelligent man with an eye out for beauty, like ya sef , is looking for....so fainting would be out of the question.

striktlymi: Please humour me with the tale of my 'type'...

striktlymi: ...when I carry out my threat of pecking your girl na then you go know

Logicboy03: Strikllymi cant. He must avoid muskis comment by all means

striktlymi: Your sentiments are understandable...

How do you say it again?...aah yes!..."I Don't expect you and your kind" to see the points I raised.

Ihedinobi: I'm actually barely able to give as much as half my attention to this post because there's a sweet documentary about Nature on TV right now. But, just seeing the beginning of this post bowled me over.

Do you have a Toyota (or whatever brand you prefer) engineer ride with you everytime you operate your car? I'm sure you don't. We're discussing Design, dude, not operation.

A designer could build proteins to fold spontaneously and to fold properly provided certain requirements were met. Spontaneity does not disprove design. At all.

Ihedinobi: About operation, we Christians will very gladly tell you that a great deal changed in the overall dynamics of life when man broke with God. That would account for your "mistakes with grievous consequences".

Ihedinobi: This "genome built from scratch" thing needs explaining from you. What are you insisting on here? That all known species have genomes that were not built from scratch? What does that mean? What were they built from?
Impress me this time, if you can.

striktlymi: you better mind me or...

striktlymi: My comments are still up there awaiting some rebuttal of some sought...

OLAADEGBU: Do you see how you just shot yourself in the foot? I asked you why we have the 7 day week and you then reply by saying that it was derived from the Julian calender dating system which was introduced by Julius Caeser about 2,000 years ago. Let me give you a clue whether you will be able to fathom when this was written:

"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exodus 20:11).

Now let me ask again: Why do you think we have a 7 day week?

OLAADEGBU: I have noticed the illogical fallacies used by atheist evolutionists which is now used by some "Christians" to divert focus away from the topic at hand. We are talking about the origin of the universe instead of answering the question you start to attack God that you don't believe exists, how does that answer my question?

OLAADEGBU: How does this make logical sense? If the universe didn't create itself but evolved from itself then what did it evolve from? In other words; Where did the matter come from to "evolve" the universe in the first place? It doesn't appear that you believe in the law of cause and effect, do you?

OLAADEGBU: Both the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics go a long way in confirming the truth in the book of Genesis, that since God ceased from the creation of matter and energy nothing has been added since unless He supernaturally or miraculously intervenes.

The 2nd law in particular describes disorder as entropy. The most commonly cited issue is that of "disorder." The term used to describe this disorder is entropy.

1 This law states that closed systems tend towards increased entropy which is an increase in disorder. That is, the amount of energy available for work in a closed system is decreasing.

2 This law also allows for increasing the amount of order in a given system.

OLAADEGBU: 2. The univese has always existed:

Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work." This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down. [size=20pt]The universe as a whole is losing energy[/size]. In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death." This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement. Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work. Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning. The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic, another speculation gone with the air. This leaves us with only one possiblility based on science. Which is that:

OLAADEGBU: Yet another tactic used when atheists are losing the plot. How is your ad hominism showing any evidence to counter the facts I presented? The closed system argument you used only buttresses my point that the amount of energy available for work in a closed system is actually decreasing. You don't seem to know what you are arguing about.

OLAADEGBU: This brings us back to the foundational question: Where did the matter, energy that produced the universe come from if it didn't create itself nor eternally existed?

If you don't understand Genesis 1:1 then read Exodus 20:11 that I quoted earlier for details. Find out what the word Shamayin means in Hebrew before you come back.

striktlymi: When next you summon me without refuting my points na kain I go take flog ya yansh

Logicboy03: Is this some escape tactic? Address muskeetos point

musKeeto: All the unnecessary obfuscations... Well, it was to be expected.


let's assume we have 5 points

A B C D E

God being God, knows that given an option to pick 3, a man might decide to pick any in whatever permutation. But this isn't omniscient.

Being omniscient means God knows exactly what options he will pick, and in what order. e.g B A C or D B A.

Like I said on an earlier thread, omnisicient isn't just about probabilities. God knows FOR CERTAIN WHAT will happen else, he fails to be OMNISCIENT.


The problem is this knowledge isn't limited to the now. GOD, BEING OMNISCIENT KNOWS WHAT MY UNBORN DESCENDANT 3 GENERATIONS AWAY WOULD DO.

They've not been born, yet their actions have already been known. By knowing, God has made them set. If they deviate from what God already knows, then God seizes to be omnipotent. Else, their 'freewill' is just an illusion. They're only acting according to God's foreknowledge, just like the characters in a story must bend to the will of the writer.


And with this, I end my case...
May the verbal gymnastics continue...

striktlymi:

Ihedinobi: So, what's this contradiction you speak of?

Ihedinobi: I think you have difficulty understanding questions. What does the part of your post quoted above have to do with my question? I asked if inability to comprehend, [i](I add this part now, but it agrees with the spirit of my question) without help or guidance, prevents one from being curious?

Ihedinobi: Being curious simply means to have a desire to know things yet unknown.

Ihedinobi: Well, why do you then regard the bottom in this case to mean the center or the core?

Ihedinobi: So you choose Strong's because it agrees with your preconceived fallacious arguments. Nice

striktlymi: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!! Thou shalth not speaketh nor posteth any thing that the hearers or lookers need not heareth nor readeth

Spicybooty: topic: Guys How Does It Feel When Your joystick Is Inside The womanliness?: does it feel warm, soft, how does the di*ck feel inside the womanliness that makes it so sweet for you? just rying 2 imagine being the one with a joystick

striktlymi: After the dance with wieg, I believe I have earned the right to go play somewhere else

I will be back though with a response...don't miss me too much

Ihedinobi: I don't see how God needs to operate within time to produce effects in history. How does acting from outside time fail to producw effects in history? Do I have to be inside a football to alter its properties? I don't think so. In fact, being outside the leather ball is more guaranteed to facilitate any operation upon it.



And my question to you has remained invariably "what is this logical contradiction?" Insisting that it is a fact or that nine billion people agree that it is a logical contradiction is still not gonna tell me what the contradiction is.

striktlymi: LWKMD!!!

striktlymi: Good morning guy,

I have a very small brain o, put it not into foncusion!

striktlymi: Good evening ooman,

Well ooman, the above are not arguments but sentiments. I would have been happier if you had brought out some super arguments to refute mine and prove that I have been 'nacking my teeth' since the thread began. C'mon ooman feed me with logic...I am hungryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....

striktlymi: You still claim I rejected FACTS!!! ooman please point out where I rejected FACTS and I will do your laundry for a month.

striktlymi: Well ooman, with respect to those verses, I believe I have already explained those earlier in one of my post. I quite agree that to the uninitiated it looks more like God determines one's future when you read some passages in sacred scriptures but to the initiated this is not the case. Refer to my earlier comments on the Pharaoh and Judas ish.

striktlymi: Please post them at your own discretion...there is really nothing to hide

striktlymi: Sentiments man, sentiments!

striktlymi: You do need to explain your approach to this 'mutually exclusive' thingy. My approach basically is that God's omnipotence and man's freewill are mutually exclusive to the extent that God's omniscient has nothing to do with the freewill of man i.e. one does not determine the other.

striktlymi: In other words, God's omniscience does not impair the freewill of man and man's freewill does not render the omniscience of God invalid. There is no point of intersection.

Emusan: You don't, and if truly you have had encounter with Him definitely all atheist claims is wrong.

Emusan: You call it natural distasters! Anyway, all miracles will always look somehow to atheist. Before it happen everybody know something is wrong and it was reveal by the spirit of God the excert causes of the problem (which is the Rock/Tree) what kind of natural distaster that didn't affect buildings that sorunded the Tree & the road that beside it. I wish you were there you will give God praise.

Emusan: When did I say so?

Emusan: [size=15pt]One cannot basically rely on what the Bible says[/size] to conclude the work of spiritual realm unless you carry out some personal work. I personally have encounter with God.

Emusan: If I may ask you do all scientist claim that there is no God and why all atheist always hide under the work of science to justified their personal hatered to God?

Emusan: I want to ask you again. Human brain consists more than millions cell, who arranged those cell? Because if anything happen to a cell(s) it can cause brain malfuntion.

kambo: @ooman u are in a state of great denial and thick delusion. because d claims of science as ludicross as any myth u may class under religion.

kambo: First, stop lumping d bible (with other religions ) to spare u confusion. The bible completes ur knowledge about u. It says man is a Spirit, soul and body.

kambo: Science says man is a Soul and Body simply because scientist can discern the mind ( i think therefore i am jargon) and d body (uve got a mirror) .

kambo: Science is repeatedly and roundly failing at solving fundamental social problems because its fundamental premises about who man is is wrong... And based on this wrong warped premise it is cooking up hit-and-miss moral cures... Oddly success eventually boils down to a bible principle (the so called mythical book). Science without God will screw u up.

musKeeto: A white man welcomes them to heaven. A black man welcomes them to hell.