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naijainfogalery:
From experience Church girls and decent girls suffer more in this regard why?
1. They avoid the good guys because those guys are either shy, boring or broke
2. they want you to keep begging and toasting and running after them for 2 years, gone are those days girls,
3. they think they are too holy or saint and because they think you had a bad past they wont give you a chance at all
4. most of this girls wouldnt even grant you on a date request
5. Good girls/born again girls are very rude expecially when you are showing signs of feelings, they either dont pick you calls nor return your calls, they talk to you like you bothering them, they make communication frustrating
6. They always get it twisted thinking because they are good they will get a husband but unfortunately life is not like that
7. They should stop being rigid and be more welcoming

My little cent

I could remember i started liking this decent over religious girl, she replied my messages after 3 days, when i call she mostlt doesnt pick and when she does she starts talking like someone is bothering her. I was just trying to get to know her, even though she is a special jewel, sometimes a jewel might become too expensive that it will wilther off in the store for decades, it got so annoying that though i still like her now i just totally ignored and stopped bothering her that the thing is now paining her that she deleted me from BBM cos i didnt ping her , call, text or chat her for over 6 months, i was like why pretend when you freaking feel the same way

Now she is 28 but who cares, God wont come down to answer your prayer, after they have sent out all suitors with their own hands, they will now start crying and disturbing God that one mama is doing them.

I know a lot of good girls in that same shoe, One funny thing about life is when you get to that desperate age no matter how good you are, how saint you are men would run away from you.

So ladies be wise, You need to know how to hold your self in high esteem without sending away possible suitors, until a man marries you always have a way of keeping possible suitors around in form of friendship, Be wise one of the reason why most girls also have marriage issue is over depending on a guy that has been dating them a long while without puting a ring on it, find a way to allow other guys stick around. When that guy finally dumps them after 5 years, it becomes a disaster

@bolded...summary of some of the "good girls" in naija...U said it all
Ad infinitum likes for you bro

sweetrace:
Op, must you work for someone else? Don't you have skills you can put to some good use? I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in one wasting their time and lives attending deliverances. Where is it recorded in the bible that anyone had to undergo multiple deliverances. Even the case that needed fasting and prayers was sorted out without the multiple sessions. I think you've attended one too many.
The time you spend attending these sessions could have been spent improving your skills or acquiring some. In the 3 years you've spent searching for a job, I sincerely hope you've improved yourself. Lamenting helps nothing. Neither does always being online. Make a fundamental change to take your life to the next level. Remind yourself everyday that you are in it to win it. You are your most valuable asset. Do what you need to do to make it happen! Infuse your life with action. Don't wait for it to happen. Make it happen. Make your own future. Create the mindset that will bring out the Greatness in you. You will not only survive, You will thrive.
Look at your environment and recognize a need that you can fill and make some money. Cnn did a report of a young guy who saw the need for paper bags in his community. With very little money and 0 machinery, he set to work. Today, he is an employer of labor. Another guy with no education harnessed the wind to generate electricity for his community. ALA gave him a scholarship.
Now, all these and more people can do it, why can't you? Please make God proud by thinking outside the box and doing something.

My dear Ad infinitum likes for you jare...You much

Joe50:
pls how do i make mine to browse?
help

just noticed that it stopped browsing..thats why i needed d balance code to check

cud some one pls help me with the code to check the balance for this bundle...i tried *123*133# and *141*1*1# but both responses are telling me i have 0mb

Lindx93:
Does this work on Android pls?

works on android too
no restrictions
my problem is that you cant see any mb when you check ur balance...

timilehing:
What I ve issues with of how do Churches spent these tithes? All the money/materials given to early churches were used to help those in need, there were used for the welfare of the people not building.

I keep saying that "if God can abandon Solomon' temple (the most expensive religious building till date), why is our own generation focusing on building magnificent edifice??

Truth is am not too bothered about what happens after i have offered my money....Though at times i cant but ask how these monies have been able to benefit the poor and needy in d present churches contrary to wat the early Christians did...

I think its also best that our act of benevolence goes beyond churches and start touching the lives of individuals who are downtrodden...they are all around us..Lets all reach out to them!

oceanwhale4u:
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fellow awardees millionaires,
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NumberOne2:
As always (and I am getting tired of), English translation and comprehension has been the reason for this lenghty thread.

Truth is am really enjoying your merry go round(which i tink confuses YOU )...it simply tells me the kind of person that you are...keep going round in circles...when you are finished let me know

NumberOne2:
did I say, I tithe TO BE as seed of Abraham? Why dont you read my comments properly.

Who made dis statement below...

NumberOne2:
I tithe as a seed of Abraham NOT as a Jew (Abraham was NOT a Jew).

In other words,you tithe just the same way Abraham supposedly tithes for you to be recognized as his seed or better still as part of his origin...rite?
And do you have any other reason why you tithe aside from being a seed of Abraham?
Do you see how you have confused and boxed yourself to a corner??

NumberOne2:
If I pay tax AS A Nigerian, [b] am I paying tax TO BE a Nigerian? [/b] What is it?

bro you have contradicted your self enough...dont muddle urself into more confusion...And am not ready to go into that "pothole" with you
Don't compare Tax-paying to being a seed of Abraham because they dont connect...
Tax paying is obligatory...being a seed of Abraham requires faith in God...
Are you saying you must pay for some thing to be a seed of Abraham??
Are we not back to the same reason why you tithe...??

NumberOne2:
TO THE BIBLE: I say again, the spoils of war were Abrahams legit property. If not, will he TITHE on someone elses goods. Even the King of Sodom knew this (highlighted in BOLD below). It was Abraham that CHOSE TO RETURN those things back for personal reasons.

"And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine , lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:" - Genesis14:21-23

i tink you need a better translation to understand the meaning because it was stated in that highlighted verse by abraham that d war spoils belonged to the king of sodom...please read d highlighted below

22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I promise to the Lord, the God Most High, the one who made heaven and earth. 23 I promise that I will not keep anything that is YOURS —not even a thread or a sandal strap! I don’t want you to say, ‘I made Abram rich.’

Have you seen that Abraham said it belonged to king sodom...This occurs when you hastily read the bible like a novel...the word THINE in verse 23 of genesis 14,is synonymous to ownership of possession and Abraham was using THINE to refer to king sodom as the owner of the spoils...shey you now understand who now owns the so called legit property?

NumberOne2:
To your comments about Abraham being in the spirit, the Spirit of God (before Jesus came) did come upon men in those days. Read about Samson, David and others too many in the OLD TESTAMENT.

That is so untrue...
Please do me and others a favour by providing old testament scriptures where the spirit of God appeared to these men that you mentioned..Thank you

NumberOne2:
This is irrelevant. Tithing PRECEEDED the Law. I have showed you this in Abraham.

And i ask again....was abraham obligated or instructed to tithe by God?
Aside Abraham's supposed tithe,can u state with scripture another individual before the law who observed the same thing that abraham did?
You can check from now till the end and you will never find a single person who paid tithes to king Melchizedek before the law was established..

NumberOne2:
Abraham WAS NOT under the LAW. He was NOT a JEW.

Your position to use a generous gesture by Abraham to use as your reason to tithe is not only erroneous but unfortunate...
One thing i can not understand is why do you after claiming that tithe preceded the law and that Abraham is not a Jew,yet you still abide by the Jewish regulation on how to tithe..You keep using the old ordinances of how to tithe according to the mosaic law...yet you claim tithe preceded the law...That my bro in English is called Hypocrisy!

NumberOne2:
So far, I am yet to be convinced that tithing AS A (NOT TO BE) seed of Abraham is wrong or OLD testament cos Abraham was NOT a JEW.

My question is what do u really understand about being a seed of Abraham?
If according to you,Abraham was not a Jew,hence he wasn't obligated to the mosaic law,then why do you still run to old covenant which has the mosaic laws as a way to justify why you tithe...?

NumberOne2:
To the OP, tithing is relevant in the NEW convenant. However, the NEW convenant even goes beyond tithing to giving ALL (only if you can). All should be done WILLINGLY not BY FORCE. God sees the heart. He doesn't really need your goods or money. Its just a way of putting God first even in your finances.

Until you understand that tithing is an obligation not free-will,you will keep making those same errors...and confuse voluntary giving for tithes
...A TITHE IS A TITHE...FREE-WILL GIVING IS FREE WILL GIVING...DONT MIX BOTH TOGETHER LIKE THOSE WHO MIX GRACE AND LAW!

I have noticed with total disappointment that you keep evading most of my questions that i asked you in previous posts..Its either because you have absolutely no answer to them or you just chose to ignore them...
One thing is certain,you have not been able to prove or point a scripture where it was commanded or obligated that you should pay tithes as a new covenant believer...

Now if just like you said previously on a particular post that it was a personal revelation,pls carry on..am not stopping you...
But pls dont hinder others from knowing the truth about tithes with you personal revelation!

NumberOne2:
To the OP, tithing
FACTS:
1) It is not by force. Nothing about God is by force. We have free will.

Ohh pls spare me that...tithe is a requirement to the people operating in the old covenant...which is part of d Mosaic law!
Tithe isn't free-will....Its an obligation to the people of israel not to new covenant believers!
Stop trying to be manipulative...why are you not doing burnt offerings since according to you,its not by force!

NumberOne2:
2) It is scriptural and preceeds the OLD testament (Mosiac Laws)

Yes its scriptural...just like burnt offerings
Or physical Circumcision ..
Or burning of incests
Or killing enemies supposedly instructed by God in the old testament
Or Do you partake in the observation of New Moons to set Yahweh's Feasts. (Exodus 12:2) (Deuteronomy 16:1)
Or Do you partake in the removal of leaven on the Eve of Passover (Ex. 12:15)
and a host of other laws of moses too numerous to mention ...Hope you are doing All those laws since you claim they are scriptural

If tithes preceeds the law,where was it stated aside the "generous gesture" that was done by Abraham?
Where was tithe a commandment or obligation before the law?

God mentioned circumcision to Abraham but ohhh...he forgot to include tithes...how convenient...but since you know better,you insist it was an "unspoken commandment" from God before the law was established...

Please do not add to what is already written..if you tink tithe was practiced before the law was established show me...
I can give you several verses in the old covenant where tithes was practiced as instructed by God...but please provide me with verses where people observed tithes...Pls don't go running to Abraham's one off generous gesture or the mischievous Jacob's vow...

NumberOne2:
3) It is given to God and are blessed for it. Surely you cant give it directly to God, but through your Pastor. (God sees the heart)

Yeah...Give it to the pastor because he is the only one dat has the keys to heaven....
Where is it stated in your bible that God receives your tithe through your pastor??
And please don't make me laugh by telling me your pastor is now the new levite?
Now i understand explicitly wat someone once said dat...
"Tithing is an attempt to purchase favor from God by giving cash money to some guy who claims to have his phone number."
So true!!!

NumberOne2:
4) In fact, if you can go beyond 10% kindly do so. Early disciples gave ALL.

once again sorry...but the early disciples Gave from a willing heart and a decisive mind and they gave with an intent to provide for the needy not because of what they wanted to receive as a result of giving....
It doesn't matter d amount or the size,but they gave from a cheerful heart...thats wat pleases God

NumberOne2:
FICTION:FACT:
1) It is OLD testament. It existed BEFORE the OLD testament.

NumberOne2:
2) It was abolished by Christ or the Apostles (It was NEVER abolished)

FACT 1

11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

FACT 2

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

FACT 3

4 Christ ended the law so that everyone who believes in him is made right with God. ROMANS 10:4

FACT 4

23 Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming. 24 I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith. 25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law to be our guardian. GALATIANS 3:23-25

Please Next time provide scriptures to buttress points...OK?

NumberOne2:
3) It doesnt involve money (Yes it does involve money or whatever you have)

Yes it can also involve your time...and your commitment to a cause...not just money..

NumberOne2:
You keep going in circles about Abraham and his house maid.

...seriously?..you are d one actually roaming in d circles of confusion about being the "seed of Abraham"..
You are so engrossed about being the "seed of Abraham" yet you forget Abraham had faults of his own...
Like i said,he slept with his maid...so since according to you,we are to practice wat he did,have you slept with you maid assuming you have one?
You see where your error of observing some tin Abraham did out of a pure heart?
And by the way,one of the instructions that God laid before Abraham and his family for being part of the promise was a PHYSICAL CIRCUMCISION
Have your done your own circumcision since you intend following every practice of Abraham to the letter??

NumberOne2:
I have answerd this before.

no sir you havent...

NumberOne2:
However, that is NOT a good way to speak of him

Oh please,we are trying to make comparisons...Abraham was by no means a perfect man...That's why its wrong and ill-advised to TOTALLY PLACE YOUR PRACTICE OF CHRISTIANITY on ABRAHAM...
No doubts,we are to learn from his unwavering faith in God but let CHRIST BE THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF YOUR FAITH...SIMPLE!

NumberOne2:
and you should know that it was his wife Sarah that GAVE the maid to him.

This is very shocking and mind-blowing ....are you saying Abraham could not have refused to do his wife's request?
OR are you saying you can commit adultery with ur maid simply because ur wife gave u permission to do so?

NumberOne2:
ANSWER: If Christ and some Apostles were hung on the cross, should we do the same?

Ohhh..this is where you really get it wrong...
That was the real essence of his coming to the world...


To redeem man from his sins....
He came to die so that we can live...
For he was pierced for our transgression....
he was crushed for our iniquities...
His punishment brought us peace...
And by his stripes we were healed...

He came and laid down his life for your sake and for mine so that we do not need to take up the cross like him..
He paid everything in FULL on the cross of Calvary
So that you and i can stand righteous in God's sight not by what we have done good or bad...

So please my broda,You dont need be nailed on d cross...
Some one already did that for You..

Hope i answered your question??

NumberOne2:
"But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance." - Numbers 18:24[/i]

From the above verse, you will see that the TITHES were given FIRST TO GOD, then GOD gave to the Levites. If you read further, you will see that God instructed the Levites on HOW TO TREAT the tithes. It wasnt theirs, it belonged to GOD.

Am guessing that while you were studing or reading numbers 18,you didnt see this verse below

21 “The Israelites will give one-tenth of everything they have. So I give that one-tenth to the Levites. This is their PAYMENT for the work that they do while they serve at the Meeting Tent.

From the 21th verse,can you see that the lord gave it to the levites as payment for the work they carried out??

Let me go further...this is wat u brought out

24 But the Israelites will give one-tenth of everything they have to the Lord, and I will give that one-tenth to the Levites. That is why I said these words about the Levites: They will not get the land that I promised the Israelites.”

Hope you can now see that its because they have no inheritance,thats why God decided to provide for them through the tithe of crops and cattles dat the people of israel gave?

NumberOne2:
QUESTION FOR YOU TO PONDER:
So if you say God created tithes for the Levites to survive cos they had no inheritance, why is it GIVEN FIRST TO GOD? Why is it not taken straight to the Levites. It would have been easier right?

Again please go and read numbers 18:21 to get your answer or you can as well...check d highlighted verse above..

25 The Lord said to Moses, 26 “Speak to the Levites and tell them: The Israelites will give one-tenth of everything they own to the Lord. That one-tenth will belong to the Levites. But you must give one-tenth of that to the Lord as your offering. 27 That tenth will be your offering to the Lord. It will be like grain from your own threshing floor or wine from your own winepress. 28 In this way you will also give an offering to the Lord just as the other Israelites do. You will get the one-tenth that the Israelites give to the Lord, and then you will give one-tenth of that to Aaron the priest.

after reading verse 24,you sud have continued reading further to see your answer...

But wait ohhh
Where in this scripture did the israelites tithe because of jacob's vow to tithe...?
Cos u r only trying to let me explain my answer but you are yet to provide me with yours
and thats how israel were instructed to tithe because of Jacob's tithe...pls am waiting ohhh

MrPristine:
Is there any biblical injunction to tithe as a seed of Abraham or is it your own self made doctrine

My bros i had too shake my head several times before trying to comprehend how tithes became a prerequisite to become a seed of Abraham...

Like i always say..These tithers have never said any thing new...still the same old bandwagon....from malachi to matthew,from 1 corinthians 9 to genesis...Even sumone said tithe started on the garden of eden...

Am even hearing for the first time that jacob's vow to tithe was the reason why d israelites were commanded to tithe..Imagine

Well am still waiting for him to provide scriptures where i must tithe as a requirement to be part of Abraham's seed!

NumberOne2:
Maybe I have not been clear enough. You see, there is a BIG difference between Abraham tithing and the law of Moses.

With all due respect bro,you are simply d one confusing urself..cos if you claim to know d difference,wat has a VOW by jacob have to do with abraham's generous gesture or an obligated tithe commanded by God to israel?

Many leaders and righteous men in the old covenant made VOWS in the bible using sacrifices...how does that translate to new covenant Christians...?

My problem with you is that you are yet to understand that u cant keep moving in circles..let me give u options:

1.If u want to tithe according to the tithe commanded by God in the mosaic law,then stick to it and do the rest of the laws...
OR
2.If you believe there is MORE to Abraham's generous gesture to king Melchizedek,..very simple..do wat he did by going to war and recover d loots,den meet ur
pastor whom u see as ur priest...give him d tenth and give the rest to the government like abraham did to d king of sodom...
OR
3.if you want to obey jacob's VOW to tithe...very easy...people make vows every day about paying a particular amount of funds if God can do dis or that for them...

Now you have it,i have seperated them so that you can make a quick option but dont come here and tell me all three of them are related because they are certainly not...

NumberOne2:
The Israelites were obligated or commanded to because Jacob (Isreal) vowed to tithe.

I saw this same assertion in the other tithe thread and i was shocked and tried to hold my self from not being naughty...
There is certainly no connection between jacob's vow to tithe and the tithe that was commanded by God to israel...
But come to think of it,if indeed i was to believe ur opinion dat both tithes are connected,then i can state without doubt dat jacob's tithe and the one commanded by God has been abolished by God along with other laws in hebrews 7:1-28
....Its as simple as that!
but no there is absolutely no connection whatsoever between jacob's vow and d tithe commanded by God...
And with all due respect...d scripture u provided says absolutely nothing about how d israelites were obligated to tithe because of jacob's vow...
And pls dont tell me its becos of d name dat d angel of God gave to jacob...that will sound funny and preposterous

NumberOne2:
see scripture below:

[i]"And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." - Genesis 28:20-22

Am still waiting for you to highlight in this scripture you have presented where d israelites were made to tithe because of jacob's vow...Am waiting!!

NumberOne2:
You call it spoils of war, but it was Abrahams legitimate property.

And yes,thats what it is...spoils of war,plunder...but not Abraham's legitimate property...pls read Genesis 14:22-23 so that you can understand who owns the plunder...
I repeat,Abraham went to war not as a ritual but because he went to rescue his cousin lot...he came back with war spoils...was offered food and water by King Melchizedek...in a show of appreciation,Abraham gave him a tenth of the war spoils...FINISH...END OF DISCUS!

But no,ur likes wud say there was more to it and start making comparisons...just to find reasons why you tithe when you have been boxed to a corner!
I keep asking why you ignored d part where Abraham whom u supposedly said did a tithe left with NOTHING ....YES WITH NOTHING...because after he gave Melchizedek a tenth,he gave d rest to the king of sodom..

So in other words,Abraham left without "his legitimate property"....How come??

Please go and study dat chapter in the bible:Genesis 14 again...

NumberOne2:
He was a man of the spirit and saw the need (not force as I have always state) to tithe to the King of Salem who Paul explained in Hebrews. (This is why I tithe).

Pls let me be clear with you...which spirit are you talking about? The spirit of God which is the holy spirit? or abraham's own spirit?
please don't confuse urself ohhh...Christ promised his disciples the holy spirit as their comforter after he ascended into heaven...

And yes he indeed felt the need because King Melchizedek had been benevolent enough to offer them food and wine after their victory...Abraham felt d need 2 offer him something in return by giving him a tenth of the war spoils...SIMPLE!

Paul in hebrews 7 only talked about King Melchizedek priesthood which had some similarities wit dat of jesus christ who happens to be our new high priest...

Unfortunately,dat particular part of d scripture does not say anything about why new covenant Christians must tithe...Pls take note..if u have any contrary opinion..pls bring the scripture and make show me where it was stated!

Rather d scripture made reference to the fact dat tithe was part of the mosaic law...Hebrews 7:5

After reading d beginning part of hebrews 7,why didn't you complete the entire chapter to see where God abolished the laws of Moses and made christ jesus the new high priest.?

Why didnt you go further by reading hebrews 8,9,and 10?
You just stopped where was convenient for you...rite?

NumberOne2:
I tithe as a seed of Abraham NOT as a Jew (Abraham was NOT a Jew). This is why I had not mentioned Malachi 3 until you brought it up.

You dont tithe as a seed of Abraham because tithe was not a requirement to become a seed of abraham...
God never sighted tithe as a requirement to be part of Abraham's seed...
u r the one who either mistakenly or mischievously inserted dat not God...

You became a seed of abraham as a result of christ's finished work on the cross,not because of ur tithe (Galatians 3:29)

It was also through christ jesus that the blessings of Abraham came to the gentiles(new convenant believers) (Galatians 3:14)

We are meant to use the kind of faith abraham had in God as a guide to believe in God(Galatians 3:6-9)

Please free yourself of such a blatant error!!

NumberOne2:
PS: You keep missing my point because you are comparing me with Pastors that insist on tithing by force.

I have never for once compared you with a pastor even though u strongly believe wat they say about tithes!

NumberOne2:
I have share with you a deep personal revelation. Kindly meditate on it.

Good...since its ur personal revelation,then keep doing wat u are doing...Same way other christians have their own personal revelation about giving...
If this is ur personal way of giving...please continue...No one is stopping you!
But please dont use ur personal revelation as a way of making others to tithe by lifting scriptures that have no link or relation between themselves!

NumberOne2:
Children of Abraham but not followers? Is this not a contradiction!
As followers of Christ? Why not give ALL like the early Disciples.

we are d seed of abraham becos of d promises God bestowed on abraham and his walk of faith....nothing more...except u r insisting dat we sleep with our house maid wen our wife cant bear children ...afterall we are supposed "followers of abraham"?? rite?
We christians use d faith of Abraham as a guide...our leading is through christ jesus...he is the one we must follow for he has set d standard dat no one was able to keep...no even Abraham..

NumberOne2:
On a final note, I see that most against tithes are those angry that Pastors use it for fraud. Well you should know that most of the monies Pastors get are actually from FREE WILL OFFERINGS often called SEED rather than tithes. I know folks that bougth Cars, houses and other expensive stuff for Pastors, should this be stopped also?

When you generalize,you start making hasty conclusions...
If some christians believe they dont tithe because of how deir pastor misuse church funds,then they haven't really understood d gift of giving and why they should not tithe anymore..
I give without trying to find out wat d money will be used for...and dat becos its not important to me who receives money from me..be it a minister of d poor or d needy...i Give without expecting anything in return..and dats d kind of giving dat delights God!
I believe other christians are doing d same thing dat am doing...so please try not to generalize why some christians dont tithe...its illogical!!

NumberOne2:
I will sum up your question here:

You see, there is a BIG difference between Abraham tithing and the law of Moses.

Am glad u now see d difference....

NumberOne2:
The Israelite were obligated or commanded to because Jacob (Isreal) vowed to tithe.

WHAT!!!
Israel were instructed to tithe because of jacob's supposed vow to tithe??
Am sorry bro but you are wrong again....
yes jacob made a vow to tithe but thats wat it is...A VOW...a vow is voluntary...more like an agreement between two people...in dis case,between jacob and God...and besides,there was no scripture where such vow was fulfilled by jacob or where God actually agreed to that vow...
furthermore,Jacob was in no position 2 make any demands to agreements to God because he had just stolen d birthright of his brother....but one thing sud be known,
Israel was NEVER obligated or instructed to tithe BECAUSE of jacob's supposed vow to tithe ...
If you have any objections,pls do so with detailed scriptures showing where jacob's vow to tithe was d reason why d people of israel were obligated to tithe by God..
Let me provide scriptures where d mosaic law tithe originated from...

20 The Lord said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites.

21 “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the tent of meeting. 22 From now on the Israelites must not go near the tent of meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die. 23 It is the Levites who are to do the work at the tent of meeting and bear the responsibility for any offenses they commit against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites. 24 Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the Lord. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’” Numbers 18:20-24

Please note the highlighted....

NumberOne2:
see scripture below:

"And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." - Genesis 28:20-22

Again this scripture has no connection whatsoever to do with why d Israelites tithe....It was simply a VOW by jacob..Nothing More...it had no similarity to d tithe commanded by God to israel...
God instructed d israelites to tithe because he wanted d levites who had no inheritance in d land 2 receive d tithes dat God instructed...
(Numbers 18:20-24;Deutronomy 14:28-29)

NumberOne2:
As for Abraham, you call it spoils of war, but it was Abrahams legitimate property.
He was a man of the spirit and saw the need (not force as I have always state) to tithe to the King of Salem who Paul explained in Hebrews. (This is why I tithe not as a Jew but as a seed of Abraham).

Please go and study Genesis 14 again but specifically 22-23

18 Melchizedek, the king of Salem and a priest of God Most High, also went to meet Abram. He brought bread and wine. 19 He blessed Abram and said,

“Abram, may you be blessed by God Most High,
the one who made heaven and earth.
20
And we praise God Most High,
who helped you defeat your enemies.”

Abram gave Melchizedek one-tenth of everything he had taken during the battle. 21 Then the king of Sodom told Abram, “Give me my people who were captured. But you can keep everything else.”

22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I promise to the Lord, the God Most High, the one who made heaven and earth. 23 I PROMISE THAT I WILL NOT KEEP ANYTHING THAT IS YOURS—not even a thread or a sandal strap! I don’t want you to say, ‘I made Abram rich.’ 24 The only thing I will accept is the food that my young men have eaten, but you should give the other men their share. Take what we won in battle and give some to Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre. These men helped me in the battle.”

Now do u still believe dat it was Abraham's legitimate property....?
but aside dat,even if he owned it,so wat?
wats d fuss about it?
was he forced or commanded to give to Melchizedek?
You said no..then why insist dat christians obey a kind gesture from Abraham...This again shows d futility of ur claim...bring to question ur sincerity..
And even if Abraham didnt offer d plunder,it wud never have made any difference...It wud never have stopped God from blessing Abraham..And Abraham was already a blessed man...
Remember he went to rescue his cousin lot...dats why he went to war...its not as if it was a ritual or some thing like that...So pls i urge u to Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill ....
Finally,if u want 2 pay tithes whether dat of Abraham or d law of moses...
its ur concern..
...and it makes no difference wat so ever..
..but pls know dat ur tithe is not the reason why you are blessed..Unless u r claiming dat christ finished work on the cross was a simple waste of time...
U r blessed not because you tithe like Abraham but because of the promises that God gave to Abraham..of which we d gentiles became part of...
Not becos of wat we did(works) but by d grace of God through his son's finished work on d cross..pls study Genesis 12,Ephesians 1 and Galatians 3 extensively!

NumberOne2:
These are the issues:
1) Malachi 3 makes promises to the tither. "rebuking the devourer and opening windows of heaven".
If a Christian (non Jew) tithes and holds on to that promise, does it mean it will NOT work cos it was for the JEWS?

Please stick to ur point and defend it....u initially said u only obey and practise d tithe dat predated the law ...which was the one dat was observed by abraham..
Why do u go back 2 d dictates of d tithes(part of d mosaic law) dat was instructed 2 d jews in malachi as a guide or directive..?
the promises of malachi 3 of "rebuking d devourer and opening windows of heaven" were for the jews who were still UNDER THE LAWS OF MOSES!

30 “A tenth of all crops belongs to the Lord. This means the crops from fields and the fruit from trees—a tenth belongs to the Lord. 31 So if you want to get back your tenth, you must add one-fifth to its price and then buy it back.

32 “The priests will take every tenth animal from a person’s cattle or sheep. Every tenth animal will belong to the Lord. 33 The owner should not worry if the chosen animal is good or bad or change the animal for another animal. If this happens, both animals will belong to the Lord. That animal cannot be bought back.”

34 These are the commands that the Lord gave Moses at Mount Sinai for the Israelites.
(lev 27:30-34

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Romans 3:19

QUESTION...Are you still under d laws of moses?

..if u want 2 practice tithes according 2 d d law of moses,den do everything(all the 613 laws of moses)...dont just practice one(tithe) and leave out d rest...its as simple as that...smh

NumberOne2:
2) If Abraham (non Jew) tithed and we as Christians are children of Abraham, what stops us from following his steps of faith?

Abraham never made a compulsory or mandatory payment to king Melchizedek....it was a kind and noble gesture on d part of Abraham 2 offer that to him...AND NOTHING MORE...why are you so insistent that such a practice must be imbibed by new covenant christians today as if it was commanded on abraham....? haba

Abraham never gave the spoils of war to Melchizedek because he was applying any principle or practice or trying to gain blessings from God...he did dat as a[b] show of gratitude[/b] for been offered food and wine by king Melchizedek...please read Genesis 14 from start to finish....unless u want to tell me dat we sud go to war,come back victorious and offer a tenth of d plunder to our pastors or ministers...rite?? smh

Why are u not talking about the physical circumcision dat was commanded by God in genesis 17 as a requirement for Abraham 2 receive the promises of God...??

The practices that we must learn from abraham was his utmost faith in God because despite his old age and his inability to conceive,he still remained unshakened and staggered not at d promises of God ...That is wat we must imbibe not a one-off gesture dat had absolutely no significance of d promises of God on d life of Abraham!

NumberOne2:
3) The fact remains, Jesus or any Apostle (Jews and non Jews alike) never abolished tithing. Early disciples even went beyond tithing and gave all. Why is this not practiced today by the so called NEW conventant Christians?

Wrong again...jesus never condemned tithes or any other law of moses because he was still under d law....same as his disciples...

It was after his resurrection dat d law no longer held sway..Christ became a high priest by nullifying d laws of moses and that happened after his death and resurrection..not before...ok?

for christ is the end of the law to them that believe Romans 10:4

23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian of the law

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise ....Galatians 3:23-29

The early christians practiced giving out of free will and generosity and not wat dey intended to gain from such contributions....it was derived from

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 corinthians 9:7

Whether They gave more or less shouldn't be of any importance to you because they gave out of love and a willing heart not because dey were forced or commanded to or becos they were promised "open heavens"...please take note of that...!

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. Acts 4:32-35

Question...were d apostles insistent dat they paid tithes and also made contributions too?

NumberOne2:
When you answer these, you will begin to see the inconsistency in Non Tithing. Non tithing is an assumed position, there is NO fact about it in the Bible.

I have answered your questions and much more(dats if u still have more 2 ask)....and none of ur questions have been able 2 prove why u still tithe...rather it has enlightened me with much more reasons why i sud give without being coerced,commanded(tithes) or manipulated...!
Contrary 2 ur opinions, non-tithing is for new covenant christians who desire to know d truth and how to practice giving through love ....

I can only say one thing... the era of tithe will b likened 2 d era wen a certain denomination decided 2 ban television due 2 deir acclaimed destructive tendency of television....

d rest as u know is now history.

...i urge u 2 go back and do more extensive studying of d scripture wit d guide of d spirit 2 see d error behind ur inconsistent claim of tithing ... #dtruthhurts

Denn:
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AreaFada2:
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From the way the guy is talking, there is nothing he can enlighten her about. At least not sex related. If anything, the young lady might even have some tips for him.

areafada..

clevvermind:
i was going through my sister's phone, and i saw indecency films. i just feel like smashing her head that moment. i just manage to hold myself. i was very angry with her cos i don't want her to be watching such things. i should be the only one watching such films. i don't want her to corrupt herself. she is just 20.
please, what should i do to her? what punishment should i give to her.

smash??
she is 20 not 7 or 8..
u sud b trying 2 do wat elder brodas do in such situations...offer her gud advise and enlighten her about d dangers of indulging in such addictive acts..not by smashing her head...wat will u gain by doing dat?
will dat stop her from watching such videos...?
well Dats if she is still alive after u must have smashed her head in anger...smh

and 2 add 2 Dis...why wud u b practising d same act but blame her for d same act dat u r guilty of..
..if she was an elder sister while u were d younger one,wud u punish her?
like I said...endeavour 2 advise her of d dangers of such acts but dat can only happen wen u urself decide 2 stop dat act...

clevvermind:
i was going through my sister's phone, and i saw indecency films. i just feel like smashing her head that moment. i just manage to hold myself. i was very angry with her cos i don't want her to be watching such things. i should be the only one watching such films. i don't want her to corrupt herself. she is just 20.
please, what should i do to her? what punishment should i give to her.

smash??
she is 20 not 7 or 8..
u sud b trying 2 do wat elder brodas do in such situations...offer her gud advise and enlighten her about d dangers of indulging in such addictive acts..not by smashing her head...wat will u gain by doing dat?
will dat stop her from watching such videos...?
well Dats if she is still alive after u must have smashed her head in anger...smh

and 2 add 2 Dis...why wud u b practising d same act
but blame her for d same act dat u r guilty of..
..if she was an elder sister while u were d younger
one,wud u punish her?
like I said...endeavour 2 advise her of d dangers of
such acts but dat can only happen wen u urself decide
2 stop dat act...

zodiakzax:
pls read malachi 3 From verse 9 and you would see that God said the Jews were cursed with a curse because they profaned the old covenant(malachi 2) and they robbed God out of tithing and ordinance offerings. You people only manipulate the scriptures, you only quote what you want others to read. Plus if you have not giving your all to Lord doesn't mean others have not. The Lord told us to deny ourself and carry our cross and follow Him, maybe you don't understand this. No one is perfect here, we are all trying to walk with our Lord Jesus Christ and when we get to that maturity in Him, we would let go of all including oursleves in order to gain Christ. So it practiced today my friend.

bro u r rite but pls don't bother urself dat much trying 2 explain 2 him...noticed he is not straightforward about his stand...first he said tithes predates d law as Abraham did his tithe b4 d law,den he runs 2 d old covenant 2 claim d blessings and directive of a tither of d mosaic law,wen he has been upended and boxed,he turns around claiming dat we non-tithers don't give,or give like d early Christians did...Haba can't he just take a stand and follow it 2 d end,wat concerns him wit whether Christians who don't pay tithes give or not give...?

NumberOne2:
No. It is the non tithers that twist scripture. You say its OLD conventant. I have shown you it preceed that.
You say it has been abolished. By who? Never hear any Apostle or Jesus say "Beloved, do not tithe anymore". You assume it has been abolished.
You say you are children of Abraham but DONT tithe like Abraham. Your speech is too hypocritical.

Maybe you should stick to just a NEW testament bible since the OLD testament is for the Jews and myself.

after our disagreement in d oda tithe thread,I cant but wonder which position or side u r on...first u said d tithes,u practise were dat of Abraham,then u quickly head 2 Deuteronomy or Malachi,which is of d law of moses dat u condemned,2 use as ur directive,and now u say he sud show u where tithes were abolished...OK
let me ask u dese few questions 2 ascertain ur stand...
1.is d tithe practised by d Jews according 2 d mosaic law part of d 613 laws of moses?
2.was abraham obligated or commanded 2 give a tenth of d war spoils 2 d king after he rescued his cousin lot?
3.how does d tithe or tenth of d war spoils of Abraham relate 2 dat of d tithe in d law of moses?
4.now I ask again Dis question, wat is ur definition of tithes according 2 d bible...not dictionary or wikipedia definition... thanks

NumberOne2:
Your speech is too generic and you are judging that brother (which is wrong). You know you are a Christian also so do you fall into this GREEDY and SELF-CENTERED category or have you given your ALL? This is a personal thing now. Its easy to point at others, how about YOU?

I believe u saw d word MOST...and yes I can only judge 4 wat I know... most christians r gullible...so will prefer 2 go pay a tithe in church even if deir loved ones are sick...wat do u call dat?
is d love of d father abiding in dat person?

NOTE: That tithing brother will be so blessed according to Malachi 3. If he wasnt being blessed, he would have stopped tithing. He need to be taught that giving to the poor is like lending to God. God will Himself repay.
"He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again." - Proverbs 19:17

if dat same broda knew dat tithes does not in any way hinder God from blessing him, will he still pay his tithes?
giving is an act of benevolence... not expecting any tin in return wen u give...dat sud be d key for us...whether I give 2 d poor or anyone,one thing I know is dat I feel joy in my spirit for putting a smile on sum1's face...tru my giving... cos Dats wat delights God

NumberOne2:
I will tell you why. Jesus said if you are faithful in little, you will be faithful in MUCH.
How can a man who CANNOT give 10% ever give 100%? Its impossible. If a christian cannot tithe, he/she cannot give all?

Dats not true. Dats ur own opinion.. if a christian knows dat he is blessed and no amount of giving will ever make him poor because of who he is in Christ Jesus...he will give and Neva stop giving...there is a scripture in d old testament where moses told d people of Israel 2 willing offer gifts 2 d temple...2 his amazement, dey kept bringing and bringing gifts until d room where d gifts were stored filled up yet people kept bringing gifts....moses had 2 stop dem because d store was already filled...mind u,Dis was not tithe or first fruit but a benevolent gesture..Dis was d same practise dat was imbibed by d early Christians...d love of God in us leads us 2 give,not because of wat we can get but cos of who we r in Christ Jesus..

NumberOne2:
I will tell you why. Jesus said if you are faithful in little, you will be faithful in MUCH.
How can a man who CANNOT give 10% ever give 100%? Its impossible. If a christian cannot tithe, he/she cannot give all?

Dats not true... if a christian knows dat he is blessed and no amount of giving will ever make him poor because of who he is in Christ Jesus...he will give and Neva stop giving...there is a scripture in d old testament where moses told d people of Israel 2 willingly offer gifts 2 d temple...2 his amazement, dey kept bringing and bringing gift until d room or store where d gifts were stored filled up yet people kept bringing gifts....moses had 2 stop dem because d store was already filled...mind u,Dis was not tithe or first fruit but a benevolent gesture..Dis was d same practise dat was imbibed by d early Christians...

NumberOne2:
I NEVER quoted Malachi, it is you that did. I NEVER said God will punish non tither.
There is too much hypocrisy about this tithing. You are children of Abraham but not tithers like him. I see. Abrahams blessing are yours but not his tithes (its old testament). Perhaps you should use only NEW testament bible since OLD testament is for the JEWS.

there are several laws if not all d laws do not apply 2 new covenant Christians...even God rebuked d Jews tru Paul about deir stubborn nature in accepting grace instead of law...
its not like d Jews have d old and gentiles like us have d new....Christ died for both d Jews and gentiles...and if Christ is d end of d law 2 dem dat believe roms 10:4,I see no reason why d Jews keep sticking 2 a law dat has been abolished in God's eyes..

You and your non tithing colleagues say tithing is OLD testament. In the NEW testament, early disciples gave ALL (selling lands and houses) and shared with other brethren in need. Why is this not being practiced today?

yes u r rite...we r meant 2 practise wat d early Christians did but unfortunately, most christians hardly have time going tru scriptures but wud give it over 2 d pastors 2 handle...even d early Christians,after d teaching of d gospel,went home and studied d scriptures 2 know d truth about d msg preached...now we have lazy Christians who wud Neva study d scripture but wud only want d minister 2 tell him or her dat 'ur mega contract is on d way'!!

NumberOne2:
There is too much hypocrisy about this tithing. Ok, you say tithing is OLD testament. In the NEW testament, early disciples gave ALL (selling lands and houses) and shared with other brethren in need. Why is this not being practiced today?

Dats simple because most Christians r greedy and self-centered... I know of a wealthy guy who leaves home every Sunday 2 pay tithes in millions... but he has a beggar just close 2 his house and has Neva deemed it fit 2 offer dat beggar alms or some tin beta...d truth is according 2 d promises of God tru Abraham,we r not only blessed but a blessing 2 our world...

globaldream:
Ok. @openmine.I am sorry bro. I don't mean to say that youwin4 people are not important. I just try to let you feel the mood of youwin3 awardee. The way you present “don't kill urself, mean something else to me until to shed light on it. Let forget our differences. I am sorry if I say anything wrong to you. We don't need to take joy dispute. Let's move on

its OK bro...I understand... sorry about d misunderstanding.. we r OK!!

bamistol:
Even in this your post you are still both saucy and insulting. For you to say, "wat any sensible and level-headed person wud have done..." confirms that you are so saucy and insulting. Are u insinuating that you are the only one sensible?

That your post is completely contrary to the norms of this thread.
YouWiN 4 has its own thread where some YouWiN 3 awardees have helped them with some of their questions. All YouWiN 4 questions should be directed to YouWiN 4 thread.
And pls stop insulting us. We have conducted ourselves with outmost respect on this thread. Also you need to learn how to pass comments.

if u feel u r part of d sensible and level headed,den wat I said ain't for you..stop making a mountain out of a mole hill..
Dats not even an insult...maybe u have a different meaning 2 d word...
.and no am not saying am d only sensible person here..dont add to wat i didnt say...ok?
I repeat...if anyone asks for info on Youwin 4,its either u say sometin positive or u ignore...its as simple as dat...
whether Youwin 3 or Youwin 4,everyone is d same in Dis...wateva affects one affects every1...anyone can source for info here or on d other thread...if u can't help out...its OK..,let odas do...I know d thread is 'high tensioned and worried' but Dats no excuse 2 get like dat..
and pls am yet 2 see where I insulted u...
whoeva has read my posts on Dis thread,wud know I have neva insulted any1 even wen d oda person is wrong...still waiting 2 see where I directly insulted u...!!

Barnabaseloka:
This means that tithers pay tithe when it is convenient for them. God did not command the Israelites to pay these tithes when it was convenient for them or anytime they wished. Tithing as demanded by the law was at stipulated times. They must wait till the appointed times for the tithes to be paid and according to its rules.
God is all-knowing. He knew that some Israelites would not be able to meet up with the payment if it involved money. He knew that some Israelites would be owed by their employers and some might not make profit before such tithes were paid. That was why he did not involve money but crops and animals, so that no one will give excuse for not paying tithes. He knew that before the tithing periods the Israelites would have got an increase in their livestock and crops. Money existed at that time yet they did not tithe with money. This means that if you are being subjected to pay tithes with money, you are not doing it rightly. It means you are giving your money out unnecessarily being coerced into it unknowingly.
If you want to involve money, it is no more as a law and the blessings in Malachi will not come to you. This blessings pronounced in Malachi come when one tithe as God commanded.
If one wants to involve money, it is no more of the law but of free-will and no one has to subject you that you must pay it within a given period in a month. If you desire to give a tenth of what you have to God as a choice, go ahead. But if you cannot make it up to that, let no man subject you into giving up to such amount..

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Bigboyz32:
It's alright guys, no more quarrels.
The youwin4 link is here. Pls follow and ask your questions there.
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bro tanks though I have seen dat thread last year...and I feel d reason y dat person asked d question here was because d Youwin 4 thread may be dry or no activity taking place on dat thread..I was only defending d person who only asked a simple question about d future of Youwin 4...wat any sensible and level-headed person wud have done wud b 2 say a yes or no 2 d question rather Dan sending d person 2 anoda thread as if dere was some kind of a cult or segregation on Dis thread...no worry...we ain't quarrelling... we are only trying 2 iron out issues

globaldream:
@openmine, you don't need to tell me I wan kill myself, I believe my money will be paid soon. Even this week. But Get it straight, check the thread name, youwin 2013 competition. Nobody is saying that youwin4 people are not important, but you have special thread. Fine. The way you talk , I am begining to think that you are a kind of person who will be very saucy and un-courtsious so I will not respond to ur comment again. I wish you the best in your youwin 4 competition.

personally, I wud not have responded 2 u since I wasn't referring 2 u in my earlier posts...as for d 'kill urself notion',it was only a literal meaning dat u sudnt WORRY dat much...
I am of d opinion dat any1 can ask questions on any tin related 2 Youwin...if u can answer such person..fine...if u can't just ignore...no need for such segregation, after all u were once like d Youwin 4 less Dan 2 years ago wen Youwin 3 started..as for my writeup,I have checked,rechecked and am yet 2 see where I 'insulted' u or behaved in a 'saucy' manner in my previous post...I hope u will b humble enuff 2 highlight where I insulted u...and how did u come 2 such hasty conclusion dat I am applying for Youwin 4...u see ur problem?