₦airaland Forum

calaway:
Hausa Muslims are very wicked in tyms of crisis

Mohammed is the pain of the whole world

TheHistorian:
Do you read news at all?

Should I start flooding your mentions with links to news story about the deployment of the military to Benue despite the reluctance of NPF?

There's nothing he could have done other than that as you wouldn't expect a sitting President arm himself to fight the criminals. . .would you?

Even your GEJ attended parties in less than 24 hours after bomb-blast killing thousands of Nigerians!

Judgment will never hold you innocent. You will surely be a victim of the evil you are supporting. You will cry that day but no one will hear you....

Islie:
http://dailypost.ng/2018/01/11/father-daughter-allegedly-dupe-suitor-n710-000-nasarawa/

The North and hypocrisy. Hmmmm

Thank you daddy, more grace sir

donstan18:
When last u answer ur papa like dat?

Why is that your problem? You must be a fulani slave.. Only those who respect their father can actually respect other people's fathers.

Only Jesus can save... Congratulations � my dear... More grace.

mcgaius:
17000 widows Jesus! Meaning 17000 Dead men on the otherside.Lord have mercy.

Food for thought

MightySparrow:
Daddy Freeze will and his congregation will not see this.
Some other religion kill widows and orphans; make more widows and orphans and still criticise Pastors.


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Thanks Pastor for wiping tears away from eyes of people, you will not lose your rewards here,and hereafter IJN

God bless you.. They will even rape widows and still sponsor freeze and his likes to write rubbish against the church.

jaytee01:
Do you know what is 17000? The crowd that I saw in those pictures is nowhere near that figure.

Idiot... That is all you can say.. If you heard they paid tithe to him now, your mouth will be licking without control.
When you walk on water haters like you will say it's because you can't swim.

everlymoore86:
A time shall come , even the president of countries will become ushers in the church.

Amen. You are in the spirit

Mohammed is the pain of the whole world....

If this whole story is true, you don't have a wife again. Besides that you really need to confirm if those kids are yours or at least how many of the kids are your own. You really need God right now to help put your life in the right shape.

It's wrong somehow but not entirely wrong. That you are here complaining can go a long way to tell us why she didn't tell you.
Bros it is more blessed to give than to receive.

Agents of hell has quickly misquoted the man to further their evil campaign against the church and God's servants. If you like post all the lies from hell here in nl, it won't have effect on those of us who are not thought by rasters and rock stars on social media. Read the Bible for yourself.

Bunch of lost souls in nl commenting Rubbish on important subjects... I pity those who want to believe a rock star over a man of God..

The Tithe: No controversy - Oluwamuyiwa Okuseinde

Since the hoopla about tithing surfaced, many who know my teachings on the subject in the last one decade or so have requested my opinion on the matter. My usual response had been to direct them to the Bible and to the two mini books I have written on the subject. I feel there is no point engaging in any debate with anyone. God has warned us to beware of such arguments from scoffers who would abound in the last days. But in the last one week, a dear friend and brother has put so much pressure on me, literally begging me to say something. It is therefore in response to my friend (just as Dr Luke wrote for Theophilus, Luke 1:3-4) that I'm making the following submissions, hoping also that it would be of help to every genuine seeker out there.

I will reduce my contribution to only seven of the many issues that there are on the matter.

First, the idea that the tithe is not applicable in the New Testament is false. In His comments on the attitude of the Pharisees, Jesus upbraided them for paying tithe of little things while neglecting weightier matters of the law like justice and mercy. Then Jesus made a statement that I thought is clear even for the blind to see: "these [weightier matters] ought you to have done, and not to leave the other [tithe] undone" (Matthew 23:23). How could Jesus - the New Testament personified say that a particular thing should not be left undone and a true believer in Christ will presume to say that thing is a scam? Yet the righteousness of the Christian is supposed to surpass that of the Pharisee.

Today, it is convenient for us to claim promises of the Old Testament when they suit us but when it requires that we part with our substance, we quickly remember that we are in the New Testament. That is hypocrisy.

For those who may want to know, the tithe is neither Old nor New Testament. The tithe is 'trans-testament'. It transcends both testaments and is applicable to both testaments. The tithe was definitely before the law, being practiced 430 years before the law and what did not come with the law cannot go with the law. Abraham was the first to pay it, and he gave a tithe of all the booty he brought from the war (Genesis 14:20). The "all" must have included garments, gold, silver, animals, weapons etc. This clearly faults the argument that tithe in Bible times was only from agriculture. Jacob promised God a tithe of all that God would give him and we know that Jacob was not only rich in livestock, he had monetary asset with which he bought food for his huge household during the time of famine (e.g., see Genesis 43:12).

I have heard many make that mischievous statement, that they won't pay tithe because Jesus didn't pay tithe. Did Jesus give offering? Did He build a house or own one? Didn't He say that the son of man had nowhere to lay his head? Well, just as you argue that if a man pays tithe, he should go ahead and fulfill all the other Old Testament laws, so also, since you won't pay tithe because Jesus didn't pay, you should equally refrain from giving offerings, owning a house, riding a car or flying in a plane because Jesus did none of these things. If you are not being mischievous, apply the rule to yourself and ensure that you refrain from everything Jesus didn't do, including getting married and having children.

Secondly, this idea of the tithe not being for Gentile believers is a misreading of the New Testament. In Christ Jesus, there is neither Gentile nor Jew. Christ came to destroy that dichotomy, breaking down the middle wall of partition (Ephesians 2:11-22). We have all been baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles (1 Corinthians 12:13). There is not a separate rule for Jewish Christians and another for Gentile believers. In response to such uniformed opinions, Paul asked, "Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also" (Romans 3:29).

Thirdly, the assumption that the tithe is the financial bottom line of God’s servants is false. Interestingly, none of those making this false claim have come out with empirical data to support their opinion. It will surprise you to know that in spite of the hue and cry about tithe, not more than a tenth of the church actually tithe faithfully. I know this because in the last ten years, I have been privileged to go from church to church, city to city, within and outside my country Nigeria to teach the saints on the subject of tithe.

Everywhere I go, without a single exception, approximately 90% of the congregants would respond to altar calls as tithe defaulters. This is something I have empirically verified and not a mere opinion. I find it disturbing to my rational mind that supposedly cerebral persons, even from the ivory towers, would make sweeping generalisations in matters they have not verified.

Even in the Old Testament, the Levites had other sources of income apart from the offerings of the children of Israel. While they had no inheritance as a tribe, the Levites had lands given to them in all the tribes of Israel. When the people failed to bring the tithes, the Levites resorted to working on their land. This happened during the time of Nehemiah (see Nehemiah 13:10-14).

The truth of the matter is that most servants of God are simply blessed of God, tithe or no tithe. If you are doing what God has called you to do, He will bless you. It is only a matter of time. For example, I am personally very blessed. This is the 23rd year I left my job as a university teacher to serve God full time. For more than two decades, I have not collected a dime as salary. I have a house that God built for me without a dime of any man's tithe in it. All the vehicles I have used (except two) were given to me by people. Hardly would tithes from people represent up to 10% of my sustenance (with my family) for more than two decades. When you don't know my story and you conclude that I must be living on the tithes of some people, it is both unfair and uncharitable. Sometimes to want to find out how a true man of God is sustained is like wanting to know what is talking inside the radio! It will lead to many errors.

Fourthly, to reduce the tithe to what a man eats and washes down with a glass of beer is to make mockery of sacred things. Truly, there is a biblical practice of eating a particular tithe in the house of God. But it is also clear from the Bible that the Levites were to receive the tithe as part of their sustenance. If the tithe is for you to eat, which one goes to the Levite? Doesn't it suggest already that the Bible is not talking about a singular item? In any case if the tithe is for you to eat, why should God be angry as He obviously was in Malachi if you don't want to eat? And like I always say, if the tithe is yours, it would make no sense whatsoever for God to say tithe defaulters are robbing Him. It is impossible to steal what belongs to you. If the tithe is simply something for you to eat, why would God tell defaulters to add a fifth (Leviticus 27:31)? Selecting a portion of the Scriptures to make general assertions is as wrong as it is foolish and ungodly.

A careful reading of the Scriptures shows that three different tithes were paid in Bible times, viz the Levite tithe, the festival tithe and the Poor tithe which is also called the third tithe. The tithe eaten by the giver in the house of God is the festival tithe which is done yearly. The Levite tithe (which is what the church teaches) remains the minimum irreducible obligation of God's children to His house.

Sixth, it has been observed that the major cause of the tithe discussion is the opulent lifestyle and stupendous wealth of some men of God which many assume (wrongly so) is being financed by the tithes of their members. While I won't stop you from having issues with extravagant lifestyle of some pastor, it is wrong to teach revolt against the word of God because of the actions of men. That a particular town is filled with fake or incompetent doctors won't remove the fact of the authenticity and necessity of medical practice. God's word remains true irrespective of how men behave.

Sev

As for your point number 5,are people who are not married supposed to be living together? I sense immorality from your end. Op and the like minded repent please...

Only fools leave proves and pursue after arguments.
Everybody pays tithe wether you like or not, wether you know it or not. You either pay to God or to the devil.
The devil always takes more than necessary.
The choice is yours...

MY TAKE ON TITHING. (PAYING OF TITHE, IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG) READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT.

I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.

I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.

We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by batter principle. God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not. He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.

I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me. I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly. I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.

It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees. I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.

It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staffs working night and day in God's house.

I tithe to ensure that God's properties are protected while I sleep very well in my house. I don't want to come back next service day to learn that thieves have stolen the church microphones and generator because we cannot hire security guards to keep watch.

If driving a good car helps my pastor spread the gospel across many towns and cities, I will tithe for him to buy a private jet so that he can fly everywhere and spread the gospel faster.

I tithe to maintain His house.
I tithe to finance the gospel.

I refuse to allow the under law and under grace debate make God look complicated to me. The Levite priests did not have electricity problem in their time, bad roads and traffic was not a problem to spreading the gospel, yet God's people were still giving to maintain God's house. It's still the same today, different scenarios.

If living in Lekki will make my pastor beat traffic and come early for service I will tithe for him to buy a house there. If living in banana island will make him accessible to God's people I will tithe to make it happen.

I tithe so that the generator will never lack diesel. I tithe because it will be uncomfortable for me to worship God in the hot heat with someone who has body odour, I tithe for God's house to have a good AC.

I tithe to enjoy the same quality of music people enjoy in the clubs and bars. I tithe for the church to have a good sound system. I tithe for the church to afford professional instrumentalists and sound engineers to make my worship experience more exciting.

I tithe for the church to continue giving bobo and popcorn to our kids in the children's church.

If my tithe is helping the outreach department take care of the poor and needy I will keep tithing.

If my tithe contributes to the logistics that will fly Bishop TD Jakes down here to give me a different dimension of the Word, I will keep tithing.

If my tithe makes the gospel concerts and word conferences FREE, I will keep tithing.

I tithe not as a batter to receive, it is not a means of exchange, how much can i really pay? I tithe to keep His house running so that I can always run there to refill and recharge.

So whether it is old testament, new testament or future testament, it is our duty to maintain our local assembly, and this is why I tithe cheerfully.

The best news is that you cannot take care of God's house and live in lack. It all comes back to us in different ways, pressed down, shaken together, and rolling over.

It's just common sense guys, just common sense. I don't care if I loose some members of the Jesus gang over tithing, I don't care if tithing is practiced under law, under grace, or under the mango tree, I don't care if it is an old testament or a new testament principle, all I know is that giving to God got me this far, building His house is what preserves me, I will keep tithing even in the future Testament.

#copied #copied #copied
I was hoping to write on this topic but fortunately, this writers took everything from my mind.

PLS NOTE:
There's nothing wrong about paying your tithe and helping the poor at the same time.

XXLDICK:
He was definitely not referring to Freeze because Freeze never made such statement.

One thing about this pastors is that they will never address this tithe issue once and for all, they will just keep beating around the bush


Every sane mind knows that tithing as a Christian is wrong




Modified: I just made a little research and Freeze made a comment similar to that and he was purposely quoted out of context by dubious Adeboye. I just lost more respect for the man.


And Freeze was right.

Deuteronomy 14: 25 and 26.


22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

You are very confused. God have mercy on you

grayht:
With a little soapy boiling mint water, you can kill all the bees.. Nonsense!!!

I pity your ignorance, what you are seeing there should give you more sense than the one you have now

daveson07:
the army will say,leave no man behind,why is oga Jonah leavin his comrades in times of waves nd tides?

Those that betrayed him you mean to say..

emmasege:
It's time Jonathan let the cat out of the bag and told the nation what really transpired under his watch, since Buhari's sole agenda is to discredit him (Jonathan). There is no point keeping quiet any longer. We know when the ship sinks, all its inhabitants will go down with it and these include Jonathan and Buhari (the self-acclaimed Mr. Integrity).

And besides, why is no one talking about the $25 billion corruption saga between Buhari and Baru, again?

You have well spoken.

Congratulations papa, more grace sir

Emotionless100:
Loneliness is one of those things that send an old man or woman to an early grave.

I found out that this man lost his juliet for a very long time now and the children are all grown up

I guess this is best decision that he ever make.


Congrats

But there are women older than that girl who are lonely too why didn't he go for them?

Biety:
See who is talking,a man that should be seeking for forgiveness is blasting others.

Shameless mr corruption.

Shame on you zombies for life. Incurable sycophants and haters of truth like you, Buhari and apc (all promises canceled) should be the ones seeking for forgiveness. Wicked souls that came to destroy our country. Prepare for your retirement on or before 2019.

Thank no 8

We need more of Charlie boy

Mistchew... I is that one comedy? Waste of data

I share because I concur...

"If you say you are a leader, you should lead, not blame. If you say you are an anti corruption crusader, you expose corruption, not cover it! How can you be presiding at Aso Rock and your wife and daughter are complaining about Aso Rock Clinic? Who is in charge if not you? In all my years I have never seen such abysmal failure to take responsibility as a first family complaining to the public about a clinic that they are in charge of! First rat chased you from your office now your family is complaining about Aso Rock clinic. Are you President or a decoration in Aso Rock?"

-Reno Omokri

I share because I concur...

"If you say you are a leader, you should lead, not blame. If you say you are an anti corruption crusader, you expose corruption, not cover it! How can you be presiding at Aso Rock and your wife and daughter are complaining about Aso Rock Clinic? Who is in charge if not you? In all my years I have never seen such abysmal failure to take responsibility as a first family complaining to the public about a clinic that they are in charge of! First rat chased you from your office now your family is complaining about Aso Rock clinic. Are you President or a decoration in Aso Rock?"

-Reno Omokri

Good radiance from bad Rubbish. Next time find a good topic for something like this. Tithing is biblical unlike other religions God told us how to tithe so your nuisance suggestion is not necessary.