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awesomeJ:
you really should stop reading AI slops.

your faulty thinking believes 8600 square miles is enough reason to want to wipe out an entire race by some idiots with over 1.6 million squaere miles of land mass? yet you submit your reasoning to whatever rubbish AI cooks fo you?

Sorry, but you need to calm down and think rationally. The Middle East is not one country, there are Palestinians, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Lebanese, and others. It is not one continuous people.

This conflict originally involved Palestine and Israel, but due to long-standing relationships over hundreds of years, other countries have intervened. In the same way, if a country were to attack Italy, much of Europe would likely intervene.

Do you need any further explanation?

mikeapollo:
Rationalizing the actions of the enemies of Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. sponsored by Iran, who want Israel destroyed immediately!
But when Israel reacts and defends itself, you say Netanyahu wants to become uncontested super power in the middle east.

Anyone who says the land belongs to so called ''Palestinians'' should bring out historical records to prove it, not the 1948 rhetoric. Jerusalem, Shiloh, Bethlehem, Beersheba, Hebron etc. are not places that started existing only in 1948.

No, they don’t want Israel destroyed, there is no clear indication of that. Hamas and Hezbollah are fighting for their people and land, which Israel continues to occupy. They cannot engage in full-scale war because Palestine lacks strong backing, so they resort to guerrilla tactics.

Hamas and Hezbollah are not Iranian; Iran supports them with weapons. It’s similar to helping a younger sibling who is in a fight, nothing unusual about that.

All this talk of destroying Israel is largely a result of ongoing exchanges. There is nothing inherently special about Israel. If Nigeria were in that position and had taken land in the same way, they would still have fought Nigeria. There is nothing uniquely special about Jews, my friend.

mikeapollo:
You see, your problem is that to you, everything about Israel started from 1945 or 1947.

1. ....Part of that compensation involved establishing a country for them in the Middle East
The LAND of Israel had existed long before they became State. They are still living on the land of their ancestors

2. ....After that, Israel began to expand
How did Israel expand? Israel was attacked severally by enemies from some strategic geo-locations surrounding them so they took over those locations during the war. If Israel was destroyed in those wars, you would not be here pleading for their land to be given back to them.

3....US supports Israel.
Russia, China etc also support Iran. So enough of the noise of US support

No, they were not living on the land, those lands were predominantly Palestinian. We’ve discussed this before: Israelites were dispersed a long time ago, and other people settled there, so the land does not necessarily belong to Israel or to Jews.

Similarly, even in the Bible, before the Jews took that land by force, other people were living there. So technically, there is no direct link. You have to respect those who were there when you return or fight.

Another issue is that you repeat things without asking why. Why was Israel attacked? Can your neighbors attack you for no reason? Your idea that U.S. support for Israel is equivalent to China supporting Iran doesn’t fully hold. If Iran and Palestine had received support from China and Russia in 1948, perhaps we would be looking at a very different Middle East today.

awesomeJ:
They are quick to forget October 7th. A terrible massacre that the idiots even wanted to turn out worse for Israel. I wonder what some folks hope to get from supporting a useless terrorist regime that kills even its own citizens at will.


If Israel were a mediocre military that got oppressed, perhaps some of them would be happier, now they decided to stick to their "never again" resolution and their enemies keep falling all around them from Nasrallah to Sinwar to Khamenei.

Yet some folks prefer to be making useless analysis that serve zero purpose and even defy logic atimes.

That may look terrible, but it is part of war, not necessarily by Iran. It is a form of guerrilla warfare: if you don’t have advanced aircraft, you fight with what you have, which often involves surprise attacks.

Did you take the time to read how Israel was treating Palestinians in the occupied territories before October 7, or does your knowledge start there? Palestinians in their own land were treated in ways many compare to apartheid.

Everything you’re seeing is action and reaction that dates back to after the Second World War. But if you only follow Western media without critical analysis, you won’t understand much.

Streetinvestor2:
So you don't know why Israel must be wiped out.And you claim to be informed. It is because it is God given command to them which must be accomplished at all cost

I asked him a question to understand Michael’s point of view. It’s clear he is repeating things without understanding them. Now, I can explain why there is friction between Iran and Israel, I’ve actually addressed this before.

After World War II, people who identified as Jews, mostly in Germany and other parts of the world, were compensated by the British and the U.S., the war’s victors. Part of that compensation involved establishing a country for them in the Middle East. After that, Israel began to expand, which contributed to the issues we still see today. With the support of the U.S., Israel has, over the years, taken more land from Palestinians and parts of Lebanon.

In the last 20 to 30 years, America has had little choice but to side with Israel due to powerful Israeli lobbying organizations like AIPAC, which to a large extent influence who gets elected.

mikeapollo:
You are still in the business of mischief! Yes, by making reference to Jews in Iran and telling me to ask myself why Ayatollah wants to destroy Israel.
You want me to ask myself why Iran's Ayatollah would want to wipe out Israel?.
But have you answered the question whether it makes any sense at all or if the Ayatollah should be accorded the luxury to explain or justify why he should declare or aim to wipe off another country from the earth? Is the Ayatollah God?
Should he or his followers and believers be allowed to play God to explain or justify such declaration in the first place? Would you accept any reason he gives as justified or justifiable?

Okay, you don’t have answers...

My advice still stands: do your homework, don’t just echo whatever you hear. Ask questions, seek truth and logic. Thank you.

mikeapollo:
You are one of the people who love to twist narratives to serve your interests, even in the face of obvious truth.

The Iranian regime, since 1979 under Ayatollah Khomeini , declared their ambition to wipe Israel off the surface of the earth. Netanyahu was not the PM of Israel at the time.
Ayotallah Khamanei, since coming to power in 1989, continued the declaration and ambition to destroy Israel. Netanyahu was not the PM of Israel in 1989

You are quiet and silent on the unwarranted, irresponsible and reckless declaration and ambition by the Iranian regime to unleash bloodshed and kill Israelis living in Israel, exterminate them from this world by building nuclear weapons and sponsoring terror allies in Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc.
Rather, probably by reason of high-grade anti-Israel mischief, you are now turning around to blame Netanyahu and accuse him of aiming to secure uncontested power in the middle east! How pathetic!

With the direction of your assertions in these matters, I would not be surprised if one day, you blame the leaders of Benue and Plateau and accuse them of fighting the Fulanis because they want to secure uncontested power in the middle belt!

Let’s assume your claims are true, then why? Why would the Ayatollah want to wipe out Israel? You need to calm down and think; I believe that’s far better than regurgitating others’ opinions.

Why would Iran want to destroy the Jews when Jews are also a group within Iran? Or did you not know that? There are Iranian Jews; in fact, one of their synagogues in Tehran was hit and destroyed by an Israeli airstrike a few days ago.

So, why? Learn to think for yourself and filter what you read and hear, it’s a useful skill.

Streetinvestor2:
You didn’t read that the war is about trump dragging girlfriend with the late Iranian leader. Or it is about thr inheritance
For isreal the leaders of the country want death to her citizens like Tinubu don't care about how many Nigerians are killed by terrorist. I hope I now have idea to you..lol

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So this is the basis of your argument? Wow, no need.

olaremint:
Are u sure those leaders are really important? Iran should be like Saudi, Kuwait, UAE by now

The reason Iran has struggled to develop is largely due to sanctions imposed by the U.S. The petrodollar system is very powerful, it gives the U.S. significant influence over global money flows and the ability to pressure weaker countries. If you refuse to play along, you risk being cut off from the global economy.

Even so, Iran is still more developed than Nigeria. We graduate thousands of engineers every year, yet as a nation we struggle to translate that into meaningful technological progress.

With the gradual decline of the petrodollar system and U.S. influence, it will be interesting to see how things unfold in the coming years.

stcool:
The way some of you people reason is appalling. Do you know the damage done to Iran will take years, if not decades to fix. At some point you expect the oil route to reopen and that is why just happened but the damage done to Iran and their leaders can't be fixed.

What about the damage done to the USA? The petrodollar concept that has helped the U.S. fund its development for almost 50 years is coming to an end. The dollar-for-crude system has been cracked open. It was already happening gradually, with Russia and China increasingly buying and selling crude in non-dollar currencies, and this Iran war will only accelerate that shift.

Regarding Iranian infrastructure, don’t worry, China and Russia are there. Iran will likely rebuild faster than you expect. It has oil (and therefore money) and powerful allies. At the end of the day, they have kept their uranium and still retain the freedom to pursue their missile capabilities. If there was division before, this war may have helped unify the country.

You should be asking: what has the U.S. actually gained from this campaign?

Netanyahu will likely be dissatisfied, as his objective appears to have been the complete destruction of Iran to secure uncontested power in the Middle East.

If I were Iran, I would quickly restock from China and Russia, especially anti-missile systems and air defenses, because Netanyahu could return with another justification for an attack.

EDUECO:
And you're an adult that believe in the USA and Israel propagandas?

Stop arguing with people who clearly have no idea what’s going on. Ask Street to explain what this war is about, and you’ll be surprised by how little he actually understands. It’s the same issue as always, people take sides based on emotions rather than a clear grasp of the situation.

For those who think critically and genuinely seek the truth, the U.S. will not be the same internationally after this war. Trump will face his downfall sooner rather than later. That’s my prediction, take note.

I’m not here to fight or argue with anyone. This is simply my view. If you disagree, make your own prediction and let time decide.

People who made money in Ellah Lakes have made money; those who lost, lost and the rest can keep wailing. Not everyone has to be an investor. It’s perfectly legal to trade any stock on the NGX. And to a large extent, it is the duty of the NGX to protect investors.

I traded Ellah Lakes from 3 up to between 6 and 8, then decided to exit while waiting for further justification. Trading is about buying and selling at a higher price while managing risk, I’ve said this before.

Streetinvestor2:
The fact remains your noise or that of anyone will not make any difference. You whr waiting to see Iran wipe out isreal or any other small country by the terrorist backed government. I can bet you till christ returns .It will never happen. It does not matter how many AI generated history you try to post.Make sure you go to other forums whr your ID is not hidden to be making your post so it could be heard .

It sounds like you get your news from a beer parlor. I don’t have time to educate you individually. Take the time to study, or remain ignorant, that’s your choice.

What is driving the U.S. is hubris, the sense of invincibility that will be badly punctured.

GeeKudi:
Iran is not going to give up anything. Whatever Iran is doing is motivated by the ideology that they are doing it for 'god'. If you are going into a war with them. go all in and get the job done and not just some media propaganda. Recession is around the corner.

Lol, how exactly do you intend to get that done? Iran’s terrain alone is a massive advantage, and that’s before even considering the fact that they’ve been preparing for this scenario for years.

The U.S. would suffer heavy casualties if it pursued a ground invasion, and it still will not win the war.

Anyway, you’ll understand when it starts unfolding.

Lol,

awesomeJ:
You mean your own strategy will soon cast


You don't have any clue on what I do so why not speak just on the one you understand.


When you say a strategy will cast, it's only your own strategy that will experience that cos that's the only one you know.


This is an upgrade though from when you thought it was all false or that it could only work in a bull market.

You always try to explain something you're completely clueless about.

Ok nah, kwantinue. You nah big genius.

awesomeJ:
Q1 2025, I started with a N2m portfolio, and then took loans at up to 156%, now i reject loan offers, I even reject money from friends at 0% cost

God is awesome!

That edge will be quickly eroded once others catch on to what you’re doing (Have been eating from it too in the last few months). This strategy won’t last long if you keep exposing it, buying from impatient sellers and flipping for small profits. You should already be planning your next strategy, because at this rate, you’ll soon be sharing those returns with a wave of new entrants, some of whom may be even smarter and more resourceful than you. You dey make money, enjoy your money na, make the thing no cast.

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Teenaira:
Oh, I see. So Jerusalem was originally occupied by Ijebu people. Now, I know. They should finish their illegal fights so that we can go back to claim the land.

chimex38:
Interesting..
Very possible. Wars and conquered lands were the norm at the time Jacob(Israel) left Laban as an apprentice , he had amazed a fortune enough to conquer territories.

Let me understand, are you asking for handouts?

In the Bible, Jacob was born in Canaan (specifically in the south, near Beersheba). However, his family were considered “resident aliens” or migrants.

1. His grandfather (Abraham): was an immigrant from Iraq (Ur).

2. His mother (Rebekah): was from Syria/Mesopotamia (Padan-Aram).

3. Jacob himself: spent 20 years living in Syria, married two Syrian women, and had almost all his children there before returning to Canaan.


So, while he was born on the land, the Bible consistently describes his family as “sojourners”, people living in a land that belonged to others (the Canaanites).

Hahahaha. The matter tire ooo.

chimex38:
I don't think one can rule out documentations that outlived centuries.
I am a Cherokee, I need to find my own documented Bible like history. 📖 ..😭😭😭

You and who get Nigerian roots?
#AnyWayToJapa
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Let me shock you a little: the biblical narrative is very clear that Jerusalem was a city belonging to another people group, the Jebusites, long before the Israelites arrived. The Israelites came from elsewhere and surrounded Jerusalem, capturing it under King David around 1000 BCE.

So even the Bible clearly shows that Jerusalem and its surroundings were acquired through conquest. Please, no insults, check your Bible.

chimex38:
Maybe if my ancestors bin document "our true lineage " centuries ago with geographic location for historical book , by now na war front I for dey fight to reclaim my true Village for Silicon Valley USA or Switzerland or Luxembourg. Displace whoever dey live there currently.
#Imagination

It is not about documentation. We know for a fact that the Cherokee were the natives of the USA, but they haVe no backing.

The Jews, because of Germany, and also because Germany lost to Britain, were favored, and many of them are Europeans.

So the Bible is just a side story used to appeal to religious people. I know that, as a Christian, it can soften your heart.

mikeapollo:
Stop using after thoughts to rationalize inaccurate assertions. The Jews never left the land in totality. There were always Jews living in the land at every point in history though they became minority after the land was atacked and conquered through ages. The Arabs did not welcome the Jews as you want to make us believe. They never wanted Israel and the Jews to exist as a nation and some of them believe it is their religious obligation to exterminate the Jews from the earth. The mere fact that they refuse to recognize Israel up to date is enough proof.

No, you are wrong. Go and check again. The Romans expelled them and even banned them from entering Jerusalem and its surroundings. Many of them were killed at the time. The Jewish return is relatively recent. Please do your research.

mikeapollo:
You see how you expose your own inaccuracies and lies?
The second to the last paragraph (in your post above) states clearly that the Jews accepted the 1947 UN plan to split the land but the Arabs rejected it, leading to the 1948 war (just at the establishment of State of Israel)

Yet, In one of your earlier posts, you said the Arabs initially accepted the Jews but the fight/confluct was caused by Israel's quest for more land.!

My friend, stop pretending being an expert in this matter.

Your problem is that you just want to prove me wrong for the sake of it, nothing more. You have access to data and the internet on your phone, and I assume you have the same level of critical thinking as I do (maybe more). Do your homework.

Let me clarify this one more time. Prior to the UN plan, some Jews had already begun returning to those lands. Many of them bought land from Arabs who were living there at the time. So yes, Jews were initially welcomed.

Then the UN, which you could argue was influenced by Britain, the USA, and Europe, decided to compensate Jews for the Holocaust carried out by Germany against Jews, and proposed a two-state solution. But that land was already inhabited by other people.

What do you think those people would naturally do? What would you have done if your forefathers had lived on that land for generations, and now outsiders came and started telling you a different story?

Once again, you have the same resources as I do. Do your research.

PropTrader:
There was no modern state of Israel before 1948. True. But the cities that were owned and controlled by Jews/Hebrews and later including the foreigners introduced by Nebuchadnezzar (later known as Samaritans) such as Jerusalem etc. have been in existence for centuries. For equity we can't start talking about that nation from 1948. That territory with capital at Jerusalem has been under control of Romans, Arab Muslims and expanded Europe (read that as England and Spain) at different times but it does not mean any of them are owners of that small strip in the Middle East. Modern State of Israel as a nation is accomodative and made up of Jews, Europeans, Muslims, Ethiopians etc. but some people who are implacable still don't want to see it stand alone as a nation state.

No, don’t portray Israel as if it is on the receiving end, that is not the case at all. My stance is this: the Jews were dispersed by the Romans during the Roman Empire because they were not subservient. After that, other people, also originally from the region but from different groups, inhabited the land. The USA and the UK reinstated Israel by force to compensate for the Holocaust. Then Israel began claiming more land, and with the support of the USA and the UK, it captured additional territory. Ask yourself: why is part of it called the “occupied West Bank”?

mikeapollo:
This is disgusting mischief, lies and ignorance woven together! You make it sound as if the Arab had the right to decide who lives where and did the Jews a favour!
What is the business of the Arabs if Jews were returning to their anient Jewish land.
For your information, the Arabs declared wars IMMEDUATELY after the State of Israel was established. There was nothing like "acceptance" by Arabs.
For instance, Jordan attacked and conquered Judea and Samaria, Jerusalem, Hebrone eyc during the 1948/49 war, annexed re-named it "West Bank" in 1950. Israel recaptured the place in the 1967 war and then, all of a sudden, some people started calling the place "Palestinian occupied territory"

It’s like you just want to argue for argument’s sake. Some people were forced out 2,000 years ago, and others replaced them, which is natural, so where exactly are they supposed to come back to?

Australia is not originally White; the real natives are Aboriginal people, who were suppressed by the British. Does it make sense to forcefully remove present-day Australians, who are mostly of British descent, to make way for Aboriginal people?

Or does it make sense to remove present-day Americans because Native Americans lived there before? Please be impartial in your judgment.

mikeapollo:
Thank you for this. Now, go back and read it once again You just confirmed that the land belonged to the Jews. Case closed!

The "Professor" title awarded to you still stands, until you profess something wrong, or misleading or fallacious

No, it doesn’t. You were dispersed, you lost your land, and other people took it and lived there for thousands of years. The land does not belong to you, but to the people currently living there.

By the same logic, Native Americans lived in what is now the United States, and Europeans, especially the British, fought and killed many of them. Should current americans, then, be removed from the USA according to your reasoning?