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Willie2015:
It is simple..

No need for story here...

Just relocate to Abadam or Guzamala LGs in Borno State for 6 months...

U will understand Jihad better.....

Its cheap to move, you dont need a visa...

The problem with your comparison is that Iran is not Borno. This is the same mistake people make in trading, comparing two things that are not equivalent simply because they feel emotionally connected.

Nigerians are living in Iran and doing well. Iran, as a whole, is more advanced than Nigeria both educationally and technologically. Iran has existed for thousands of years, you’ve heard of Persia. They had scientific and technological developments long before Britain, which later gave rise to the United States.

Even the concept of the “algorithm” used in modern computing comes from a term rooted in ancient Persian scholarship.

You are not comparing Borno with a civilization that is over 3,000 years old. I challenge you to research and study.

Willie2015:
Trump is not an Islamic Jihadist and I am not a Jihad fighter...

The conflict between Iran and Israel is driven by religious, ideological, and theological frameworks from Iran's leadership.

It is a religious duty..

I write no more...

There are Iranian Jews in Iran with synagogues in Tehran; one of them was hit during the current war. Iran is also a multicultural society, with Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Persian identity coexisting.

So how does this “jihad” idea work? Is it only directed at Israel?

Well, believe what you like, but to me it is clear that religion is often used to veil the real truth.

Willie2015:
Israel wont exist in the next 25 years.

This is a definite statement by the Supreme Leader in a 2015 speech about Israel published on his Twitter.

People complain that we are derailing, yet you keep engaging me. I have no choice but to respond. Look at Trump’s posts, angry people say things that do not necessarily reflect official government policy. I’m sure you have said things once or twice in your life that you later regretted.

mikeapollo:
You see how empty your arguments are? The contest for the land is between Israel and some Arabs (now called Palestinians).
On land matters, he who gets to the land first or earlier, seeks and achieves predominance over the land.
So between the Israelis and Palestinians, it is clear the ancestors of Israel got to the land long before the Palestinians! That is the truth you are struggling to acknowledge.
Such a shame, a fine intellectual choosing to be intellectually dishonest

Let’s summarize the points so far:

a. Israel claims that the land is theirs because Israelites once lived there.
b. The problem is that, for some reason, they migrated, and Palestinians expanded across the region. Keep in mind that Palestinians also lived there while Israelites were present.
c. With support from Western allies, they took those lands by force.
d. This logic is challenged when you consider that even the Bible indicates those cities existed before the Israelites captured them.
e. Palestinians and parts of Lebanon, whose lands and people were affected, formed groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas as guerrilla forces to try to compel Israel to relinquish captured lands.
f. Iran supports these groups, as they need resources to fight.
g. Israel is also said to have a broader vision, sometimes referred to as “Greater Israel,” aimed at expanding influence in the Middle East.
h. As a result, the conflict continues.

mikeapollo:
Please go and read, research and stop making ignorant comments on what you don't understand.

Lol, you keep dragging this. Did Israel encroach or not? That will be your answer to all the Hezbollah and Hamas issues over the years.

mikeapollo:
The people who were there before the Israelites can mention their names and come forward to retrieve their land.
You can also help us to call their name so that we can search for them and tell them to go back to their land. Simple. Please do.

So, you agree that they were not the first people in those cities? If so, your argument of ownership falls to pieces. Study and find out for yourself; if you can’t, ask me respectfully.

mikeapollo:
So shallow argument.
You are comparing two groups who have permanent Charter that say something that is officially written in the highest policy document of the organizations since their formation in 1985-1988 (signed and sealed), with the verbal, personal statements of a president that is in office for only 4 years.

The Ayatollah never made any charter or official statements toward Israel as a president. Hezbollah and Hamas are there to free their people and land.

awesomeJ:
is israel attacking any other country in the middle east?

Does the regime which Israel attacks have such charter?

Where is the circular argument? You arguments really have no substance here.

You want me to repeat again, I am tired oo.

After the World War, the U.S. and Britain supported the creation of Israel in the Middle East after Jews suffered at the hands of the Germans, you know, the Holocaust. Israel did not waste time before expanding into land that was not originally apportioned to it, where Palestinians were already living.

This caused conflicts that led to war, in which Israel, with the help of the U.S. and Britain, captured even more land. Ever since then, there has been no peace because Palestinians cannot let go, and Israel has refused to let go.

From this, Hezbollah and Hamas emerged. Is this clear?

mikeapollo:
Israel owned them, before they were driven to exile by the Romans.
If any group of people owned them before the Israelites were driven out by the Romans, let them mention their names and come forward.

Israel did not found those cities; they existed before Jews and Israelites came into the picture. Please read your Bible carefully. So, by your reasoning, it belongs to the people who were there before the Israelites.

mikeapollo:
You cant twist and divert the subject and be asking me what was not the bone of contention.

I have answered you: Hezbollah and Hamas exist because Israel created the conditions for them when it encroached. These two groups did not exist before, so they can say anything because they are at war. Trump said his own as well.

awesomeJ:
What's your proof that the palestinians have lived on the land for more than 1000 years whereas the Israelis have not, cos you're insinutaing the israelis have not right to the land.

after you watch small Aljazeera, why not try balancing your biased knowledge with other historical facts and archaeological records?

Okay, maybe you were not following, I stated it here.

ositadima1:
Let me tell you what happened, I hope you learn something today.

1. The Great Revolt (66–73 CE)

Cause: Rebellion against Roman taxation and religious interference.

Key Event: The Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE), led by the future Emperor Titus.

Outcome: Destruction of the Second Temple; thousands were killed or enslaved.

Legacy: Initiated the first major wave of the Jewish diaspora.

2. The Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–136 CE)

Leader: Simon bar Kokhba, who briefly established an independent state. (Not Ireal to be clear)

Roman Response: Emperor Hadrian launched a campaign of total suppression.

Casualties: Approximately 580,000 Jews were killed, and about 1,000 villages were destroyed.

Rebranding: Hadrian renamed the province Syria Palaestina (after the Philistines) and banned Jews from Jerusalem to sever their connection to the land.

Since then, they dispersed and integrated across different parts of the world. Don’t be surprised that some of them are in places like Iran.

Egypt, however, was never similarly dispersed; it has consistently been the land of the Egyptians, with a history going back more than 6,000 years.

mikeapollo:
Jerusalem, Shiloh, Hebron, Bethel, Beersheba, Jericho, Bethlehem, Samaria .....captured by who from who? Who originally owns these places?

These are the towns and cities lumped together in the so called ''West Bank'' if you don't know.

Who originally owned them?

mikeapollo:
My reference was to the Charter of Hamas, Hezbollah and Ayatollah regime, which you said did not exist.
If you now accept and acknowledge that truly these Charter exists for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah regime, then we can talk about any Charter by ''Countries''.

Lol, circular reasoning again. Anyway, what has been said so far is clear.

mikeapollo:
I have explained the alibi behind the name ''West Bank''. Go back and read it if you want to learn.
I know you would be happy indeed if someone decides to call Onitsha by a new name of ''East Bank''(of river Niger) and decides to remove all the history, antecedents, archaeology, artefacts, landmarks, records and trace of Igbo people's culture from that place so that another tribe can take it and appropriate it as theirs.
You ask yourself if there are no local, traditional name for the town and places there in different from the new English name of ''East Bank''

No, sir, you are wrong. The occupied West Bank was captured; it was formerly Palestinian territory.

awesomeJ:
What kind of apples to oranges comparison are you doing? abi you don't know the meaning of a charter again? Na wah o.

Who made the charter, and which country? Does the UN recognize Hamas as a country?

These groups came into existence because of Israel injustice, not before. There was no Hezbollah or Hamas before 1948. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat the same thing, people can say whatever they want under pressure, just like Trump’s message a few nights ago.

mikeapollo:
Is Hamas not fighting Israel? Is Hezbollah not fighting Israel? Is Iran not funding these groups to fight Israel?
If Hamas and Hezbollahs wins elections to rule in their locations, won't their govts be fighting to destroy Israel?

The Ayatollah regime had made the declaration to destroy Israel since 1979. You can deny this too if you want.

Again, I am asking you one more time: has any country in the Middle East had such a charter, yes or no? Please stop these circular arguments.

awesomeJ:
Like Mike told you, this situation didn't start in 1948. you thinking so shows partial education on the subject on your part.

Alright, sir.

mikeapollo:
Stop asking useless questions
I mentioned Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian Ayatollah regime. Where did you see the word ''country''?

Do you agree that such Charter exist, after you said it does not?

I answered you the first time, you’re the one who dragged it out. I told you that in war, people can say anything, just like Trump. Then you started talking about a formal charter by fighting groups. If you want to discuss formal positions, then you have to talk about countries. Is Hamas a country? So who recognizes the charter of a group that is at war?

awesomeJ:
I don't need any further explanation, what you should do is see the fault in your own thinking. A sane country with 1,600,000 square miles of land has no business wanting to exterminate 9 million people just because it feels they stole 8600 square miles of land which it has no real claims to in the first place.


If they cared so much about the palestinians, why not give them just 20,000 square miles around tehran. or if your false claims about land grabbing were true of israel, why did they ever agree to give up 23,500 square miles of the Sinai penissula which they had taken as spoil of war from Egypt?


And don't be confused to think that these folks even want a 2-state solution, their choice is everything from the river to the sea, land that they're only delusional about owning

My friend, the Palestinians have a right to the land they have lived on for more than 1,000 years. I am sure you wouldn’t fold your arms and watch someone else take your property, even if you had ten times that. In their case, they don’t.

SonofElElyonRet:
You live in mars?

I live on Earth, sir.

mikeapollo:
Who mentioned countries here?
Is Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah fundamentalist regimes ''countries''?
These are organizations that have found their ways in or close to power

So, you agree that no country has such a charter, yes or no? No need to try to rationalize.

mikeapollo:
Now, I am beginning to see hollow and unreasonable your arguments could be

Below is an excerpt of what you claim does not exist

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm

No country has had any such charters, I can tell you that for free. Those are fighters; as I told you before, people who are fighting can say anything, just look at a recent example from Trump himself.

mikeapollo:
My friend, I am NOT talking about SATEMENTS made during war!

I am talking about the Charter, the standing foundational Policy Document that underscores the Goals, Mission, Objectives and Strategy of an organization!
It is shameful that you are arguing about what you know absolutely NOTHING about!
Just do a simple research and educate yourself on this.
Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran would even deny you if you claim their aim is not to destroy Israel. Shameful!

There is no such charter, my friend. By the way, what is Nigeria’s charter? Lol.

mikeapollo:
This is your ignorance talking this time, not mischief!
Go and read the Charter (ultimate Policy document) of Hamas and Hezbollah. It is clearly written in black and white that they seek the total annihilation and destruction of Israel. But here you are defending what you don't even know.
And yet, you are the person that is always quick to pontificate and tell people to go read, thing, learn, do research etc

When at war, anybody can say anything. Did you not read Trump’s message about bombing and destroying the entire civilization of Iran? Does that mean the U.S. wants to remove Iran from the face of the earth?

mikeapollo:
It would be very bad for you to transit from mischiefs to outright lies and falsehoods!
There has NEVER been a period in history that Jews were not living in the land of Israel! NEVER!

The fact that the Romans conquered the Jews and rove most of them to exile did not mean there were no single Jew living on the land. There were Jews but in the minority because many Arabs came from neighboring cities and countries to occupy their land.
If you say in the Bible, the Jews took the land from people living there, let those people come back for their land if they are alive and have the means. But the Jews ae alive and back to the land they occupied before the Arabs (Palestinians) came. It is first come, first serve!

Seems you believe there can be justification for the attack on Jews!
The attack on Jews is also rooted in the ideology and belief system of the enemies.
Ask yourself why virtually all of the enemies of Israel that attack it are from a particular belief system. Why is the Iranian leader calling himself a supreme, spiritual leader and he is higher than the president, judiciary, legislature all combined?

So, were you there to verify whether even a single Jew stayed behind?

It is well documented that Jews were driven out and even banned from entering Jerusalem for years, I think for as long as the Roman Empire lasted. Please calm down; winning is not a do-or-die matter.

awesomeJ:
so if surprise attack seems good to you, why isn't only when Israel does it that you prefer to wail?

where is the title you issued to the palestinians to verify that the land belongs to them?

How much or archaeolgical proof do you have to support your ridiculous claims?

So beacuse you watch small Aljazeera now and spend most of your time with chatgpt, you think you have anything close to real understanding on the matter?

I did not invent the word “occupied West Bank”, that is what it is called. Please take the time to read, or you’ll end up sounding uneducated.

awesomeJ:
you really should stop reading AI slops.

your faulty thinking believes 8600 square miles is enough reason to want to wipe out an entire race by some idiots with over 1.6 million squaere miles of land mass? yet you submit your reasoning to whatever rubbish AI cooks fo you?

Sorry, but you need to calm down and think rationally. The Middle East is not one country, there are Palestinians, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Lebanese, and others. It is not one continuous people.

This conflict originally involved Palestine and Israel, but due to long-standing relationships over hundreds of years, other countries have intervened. In the same way, if a country were to attack Italy, much of Europe would likely intervene.

Do you need any further explanation?

mikeapollo:
Rationalizing the actions of the enemies of Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. sponsored by Iran, who want Israel destroyed immediately!
But when Israel reacts and defends itself, you say Netanyahu wants to become uncontested super power in the middle east.

Anyone who says the land belongs to so called ''Palestinians'' should bring out historical records to prove it, not the 1948 rhetoric. Jerusalem, Shiloh, Bethlehem, Beersheba, Hebron etc. are not places that started existing only in 1948.

No, they don’t want Israel destroyed, there is no clear indication of that. Hamas and Hezbollah are fighting for their people and land, which Israel continues to occupy. They cannot engage in full-scale war because Palestine lacks strong backing, so they resort to guerrilla tactics.

Hamas and Hezbollah are not Iranian; Iran supports them with weapons. It’s similar to helping a younger sibling who is in a fight, nothing unusual about that.

All this talk of destroying Israel is largely a result of ongoing exchanges. There is nothing inherently special about Israel. If Nigeria were in that position and had taken land in the same way, they would still have fought Nigeria. There is nothing uniquely special about Jews, my friend.

mikeapollo:
You see, your problem is that to you, everything about Israel started from 1945 or 1947.

1. ....Part of that compensation involved establishing a country for them in the Middle East
The LAND of Israel had existed long before they became State. They are still living on the land of their ancestors

2. ....After that, Israel began to expand
How did Israel expand? Israel was attacked severally by enemies from some strategic geo-locations surrounding them so they took over those locations during the war. If Israel was destroyed in those wars, you would not be here pleading for their land to be given back to them.

3....US supports Israel.
Russia, China etc also support Iran. So enough of the noise of US support

No, they were not living on the land, those lands were predominantly Palestinian. We’ve discussed this before: Israelites were dispersed a long time ago, and other people settled there, so the land does not necessarily belong to Israel or to Jews.

Similarly, even in the Bible, before the Jews took that land by force, other people were living there. So technically, there is no direct link. You have to respect those who were there when you return or fight.

Another issue is that you repeat things without asking why. Why was Israel attacked? Can your neighbors attack you for no reason? Your idea that U.S. support for Israel is equivalent to China supporting Iran doesn’t fully hold. If Iran and Palestine had received support from China and Russia in 1948, perhaps we would be looking at a very different Middle East today.

awesomeJ:
They are quick to forget October 7th. A terrible massacre that the idiots even wanted to turn out worse for Israel. I wonder what some folks hope to get from supporting a useless terrorist regime that kills even its own citizens at will.


If Israel were a mediocre military that got oppressed, perhaps some of them would be happier, now they decided to stick to their "never again" resolution and their enemies keep falling all around them from Nasrallah to Sinwar to Khamenei.

Yet some folks prefer to be making useless analysis that serve zero purpose and even defy logic atimes.

That may look terrible, but it is part of war, not necessarily by Iran. It is a form of guerrilla warfare: if you don’t have advanced aircraft, you fight with what you have, which often involves surprise attacks.

Did you take the time to read how Israel was treating Palestinians in the occupied territories before October 7, or does your knowledge start there? Palestinians in their own land were treated in ways many compare to apartheid.

Everything you’re seeing is action and reaction that dates back to after the Second World War. But if you only follow Western media without critical analysis, you won’t understand much.

Streetinvestor2:
So you don't know why Israel must be wiped out.And you claim to be informed. It is because it is God given command to them which must be accomplished at all cost

I asked him a question to understand Michael’s point of view. It’s clear he is repeating things without understanding them. Now, I can explain why there is friction between Iran and Israel, I’ve actually addressed this before.

After World War II, people who identified as Jews, mostly in Germany and other parts of the world, were compensated by the British and the U.S., the war’s victors. Part of that compensation involved establishing a country for them in the Middle East. After that, Israel began to expand, which contributed to the issues we still see today. With the support of the U.S., Israel has, over the years, taken more land from Palestinians and parts of Lebanon.

In the last 20 to 30 years, America has had little choice but to side with Israel due to powerful Israeli lobbying organizations like AIPAC, which to a large extent influence who gets elected.

mikeapollo:
You are still in the business of mischief! Yes, by making reference to Jews in Iran and telling me to ask myself why Ayatollah wants to destroy Israel.
You want me to ask myself why Iran's Ayatollah would want to wipe out Israel?.
But have you answered the question whether it makes any sense at all or if the Ayatollah should be accorded the luxury to explain or justify why he should declare or aim to wipe off another country from the earth? Is the Ayatollah God?
Should he or his followers and believers be allowed to play God to explain or justify such declaration in the first place? Would you accept any reason he gives as justified or justifiable?

Okay, you don’t have answers...

My advice still stands: do your homework, don’t just echo whatever you hear. Ask questions, seek truth and logic. Thank you.