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paxonel:
i did not say God is male or female. 'he' and 'she' are used for subject in a sentence, not object. And since Adam can be a subject and was created first before the woman, i think that's the reason 'he' is mostly used for God.

Remember your bible said that humans are created in the image of your god. Probably your god has anus, armpits, breasts and joystick like humans. What do you think? This reduces your god to a human-like god. He must have a human stature. Yes, the Book of Universal History recorded even the weight of Yahweh.

Paxonel: that argument does not follow at all
You can understand the nature human body that they compose of body, spirit and soul simply because you can perceive them with your senses, but can you perceive spirits? That makes spirits more complicated.
If someone stand behind you and slap your face, you can turn around and retaliate. But what if you turn around and there is no one, yet you are receiving slaps like these African movies will put it ?
The situation becomes more complicated and makes you become frantic and not the usual play anymore.

Your god is only spirit, but humans are Spirit, Soul and Body. This makes your god a subset of the universal set[human]. So how can you tell me that your god is more complicated when he is only one-third of human composition?

Paxonel: we have resolved this before. Your Almight God is is physical, he is energy from the sun. But I'm telling you that my God is a spirit, who created the sun. So you see, our beliefs are different
But when you apply the two to reality, you will discover that one is superior than the other. Little wonder most people will prefer worshipping a spirit God rather than objects containing matter or energy.

You have lied by reducing God Almighty, the Source of your god to only a physical thing. Rather, God is the Totality of Existence, the summation of all things, therefore you cannot lie that God Almighty is just energy from the sun. You thought that it is only the sun that produces energy? Sorry, everything in existence has one energy or the other. You should go into the spiritual realms, the inner universes, the Shachine etc and you will see far far more greater energy than you could ever imagine. Energies far far greater than the energy from our sun. Spiritual Energy is there, etc. So don't limit God Almighty to physical things. God Almighty is the summation EVERYTHING in Existence and Yahweh your god happen to be less than 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of everything in existence, therefore Yahweh your god is negligible compared to Almighty God his source.

Paxonel: I like you.
You are straight foward, many of my fellow Christians are not, therefore they simply can't understand what Jesus meant.
When Jesus was saying I'm coming, he meant humans will die. That is just the simple literal meaning of that figurative language "I am coming "

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

what is Jesus coming to do?
To judge men.

He is not coming in physical body anymore. Rather, the death of anybody marks the coming of Christ for that individual, that is the end of his world.

He told them in that generation, ofcourse it did not take long, some of them died. THEREFORE HIS COMING WAS VERY SOON AND SPEEDILY FOR THEM.
But many Christians don't know this even till this modern day of education.
It's 2000 years now and people are waiting, let them keep waiting
I didn't say so, there is no scriptural record to show that.
Exactly!
don't make deductions from what i did not say. This is strictly your own view and beliefs

So you are the one helping fictitious Jesus to interprete what he meant abi? So there's not going to be anything like rapture? How come Kumuyi and his likes kept telling us that rapture will take place? Is it the same holy spirit you guys are getting your inspiration from? Christians in a bid to find excuses for the failures of their bible, will interprete every literal things figuratively

sulasa07:
But where did they gain their knowledge of science from?

From critical thinking.

paxonel:
this is why i asked, is your All mighty God spirit?
In Christianity, we believe there is one God and he is a spirit. Spirits are supernatural beings, that means they do not have physical body made up of matter, yet they can influence matter that's the only way they can be part of matter.
So, God exist as spirit and can only influence this physical existence, that's the only way he can be part of matter.

So your god is even a 'he'. This already makes your god incomplete because every 'he' has a female counterpart. Maybe the Holy Spirit is the female counterpart of Yahweh your god or they are homosexuals. That aside, you said that your god is only a spirit, therefore this makes him less than human beings, because humans are even more complicated than him, being Body, Soul and Spirit. So you see that Yahweh your god is even less powerful than you are.

Paxonel: No! that definition is for matter let's call a spade a spade.
Otherwise, you are saying that the existence of your Almighty God is restricted to matter and therefore he is not a spirit. You have to distinguish between spirit and matter,My bible has separated the two. John 3:6

Have you ever heard that ENERGY can neither be created nor destroyed? God Almighty is the source of Energy. It is the source of Yahweh your god. Without God Almighty, the Totality of Existence, there can never be Yahweh and his likes

Paxonel: we believe that there is one Almighty God called Yahweh! But like I have said before the name Yahweh is not important. What is important is, the Yahweh in the bible is known for keeping promises and covenants unlike the yahweh in your book of universal history
that is their own idea of who yahweh is, and that idea cannot be widely accepted to be the Yahweh of Christianity.
I will tell you why the Bible's account of Yahweh is widely accepted. The bible is straight-forward, it does not take invalid ideas from other religions to form the basics of it idea : If the bible is taking any idea from another religion, then that idea must be accepted and believed by people practicing that religion.

Are you kidding me? Did you just say that the bible is straightforward? Pls can you define the word 'soon' to me? Fictitious Jesus in your bible said that he was coming back to the earth SOON, in the generation of his disciples. Till today, after 2000 years, that soon is yet to come. How then is your bible straightforward

Paxonel: we have agreed that existence is beyond what we can see physically. I'm not excluding my God from existence, rather I'm saying that he exist as spirit. Even within that spiritual realm, he has existed long before the creation of spirits. I cannot be saying this on my own.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

These things include both physical and spiritual things such as angels.


Anyway, Christians knows Yahweh as Jesus Christ. He lives in us as spirit, so whatever idea you have about Yahweh in the old testament is of no consequence to Christians.

I will take time to read about it. I just googled it.

So you mean Yahweh did terrible things in the old testament and then proceeded to become Jesus in the New Testament so that we can forget all the things he did in the old? That's more of an unrepentant ex-convict who doesn't want us to talk about his evil doings anymore. But the fact is that the Book of Universal History never forgets. It records everyone's deeds the way they were, therefore the iniquities of Yahweh would not be easily forgotten. Read about Yahweh again here:

B.C.E 16:34- 37
34. Now the rulership of Mosheh(Yahweh) was harsh. He manifested all the attributes of Yahweh whom he really was, for he killed many people who worked on the last day of the week, saying, it is evil against Yahweh. He killed also the worshipper of Sin, Baalim and Moloch in multitude, saying that they were abominable people.He also killed the blind, lame, hunch backed and all forms of disabled people, because he hated them from within.
35. He killed those who refused circumcision also and he ordered war against those who worship Asherah, the one whom they called the queen of heaven. He tried hard to replace the name ‘El’ with ‘Yahweh’ in many texts of the tablets and papyri, but he could not, for many were already attached to the name ‘El’ as ‘God Almighty’.
36. Now Mosheh(Yahweh) fell sick, so he went far from his land, saying, I shall not die where I shall be seen. So he cast himself in the red sea and died there, placing a tablet over his chest so that he could sink in the river. And on the tablet was written: I am YHWH, the God Almighty. 37. Then a man named Oshea found the corpse of mosheh (Yahweh) floating upon the river, because the tablet had rolled over and had sunken. And when Oshea checked the body of the dead, he found also on it: I am Yahweh, the God Almighty.

sulasa07:
Just google about Islam and early science,Muslim scientists in Baghdad created almost all the science materials we use today.

They created almost all and you hardly hear their names? Okay o, you mean that they used religion to invent those things or science. Which one please?

ecoleco:
Well yeah, Yahweh does have some requirements from those that follow Him. And so does every other 'god' people follow. And if you think yourself an atheist, you also have the REQUIREMENTS to not believe any other 'god'. One way or another, you are also in a cage. Only that Yahweh's requirements ultimately sets you free!

I am not an atheist.

Joagbaje:
You may be right to an extent, God could show vision to people which may reflect their present day to day life ,fashion ,level of development etc. But That only has to do with the understanding of the individual. But God is still God . He was never primitive. Heaven is advanced in technology beyond alien and human development.




You will be surprised to see that God revealed technology in the bible .
Helicopter, aeroplane and other air or space crafts .


[color=#990000]Ezk 1:15 — Ezk 1:18
Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went. As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

Which modern day technology is described here, pls? I'm interested in knowing.

Joagbaje: Rev 9:9 — Rev 9:10
And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Pls what's the name of this invention in our modern day? Don't say that I am bothering you o. However, Nicholas whose visions were hated by the Christians saw a lot of our technologies and he was able to explain them more vividly than these vague ones above. Read the book of Niklas to see them.

Niklatians 11: 11-13
11. Now hear this: for this is a true prophecy: the homos of the world shall go from one nation to another through the air. And they shall ride in metals made with engines. And the use of horses and camels shall be made uncommon. 12. And I say that the use of fire for seeing shall become uncommon, for lights shall be made by a thinker to replace the use of fire in seeing. 13. And the homos of the future shall see afar off with great devices which they shall make.

paxonel:
which includes the spiritual and the physical.

In Christianity we have it that God almighty is the creator of both the spiritual and the physical which may include your God almighty. In other words, the God almighty of Christianity created your God almighty.

Are you trying to say that your god Yahweh does not exist? Because as far as your god exists, then he is also a part of Existence, which make your god a very negligible part of God Almighty, the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE.

God Almighty(Existence) is neither created and cannot be destroyed. Therefore this disqualifies Yahweh, a microorganism out of Existence, to claim the creator of Existence.
Also, there is nowhere in your bible where it stated that Yahweh your god created God Almighty, but in the book of Universal History, it was boldly documented how God Almighty made Yahweh your god to become a conscious
being.

MCC 1: 14
14 . Now the names of some of these beings (created by God Almighty) are Knoliud, Miklas, Urim, Chimides, Chaleb, Eartum who is also called Atum, Largas, who is also called Allah,...Yahweh, Wanyioyi,... Abassi, Nzame, Nyame;
[b]

Paxonel: He is never the totality of existence rather, he created the totality of existence.
That means he existed before the totality of existence!
So you see, the God almighty you are talking about is never the God almighty of Christianity. They are two different entity.
Interesting!

This is the most contradictory thing I have ever read. You said that your god [b]existed before Existence, lol How could you use the word 'EXISTENCE' for your god when you are trying to exclude him from Existence? Can you just simply say that your god does not exist, since you don't want him to be associated with the word 'existence'

Paxonel: The same thing applies, your religion may teach you that there was one Yahweh who did all the things you quoted here in your holy book, but the Yahweh Christians know in the bible was known for keeping covenants and promises.

It is this same Yahweh that committed suicide, no other one. If it is not true, may I not see tomorrow. Yahweh himself knows that I am telling the truth about him, unfortunately for him, he is currently in his spiritual cage, so he cannot do anything at the moment. Also, I don't have a religion. Read the Universal Book of History for more.

paxonel:
ok,
All you are saying is that Yahweh and Allah currently are spiritual beings because they have died?
And the concentration of God almighty in atoms is much more than spirits like Yahweh and Allah.

Is God almighty spirit or physical?

God ALMIGHTY is the totality of Existence. If God Almighty is just physical, then it is smaller than Existence itself because Existence is beyond physical. If God Almighty is just Spiritual, then it is smaller than Existence because Existence is more than Spiritual .
God Almighty is the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE and we are all minute parts of this Existence, that's why I always refer to everyone as gods.


Here is the History of How Yahweh Performed on Earth During his last incarnation on earth


B.C.E 16:34- 37


34. Now the rulership of Mosheh(Yahweh) was harsh. He manifested all the attributes of Yahweh whom he really was, for he killed many people who worked on the last day of the week, saying, it is evil against Yahweh. He killed also the worshipper of Sin, Baalim and Moloch in multitude, saying that they were abominable people.He also killed the blind, lame, hunch backed and all forms of disabled people, because he hated them from within.
35. He killed those who refused circumcision also and he ordered war against those who worship Asherah, the one whom they called the queen of heaven. He tried hard to replace the name ‘El’ with ‘Yahweh’ in many texts of the tablets and papyri, but he could not, for many were already attached to the name ‘El’ as ‘God Almighty’. 36. Now Mosheh(Yahweh) fell sick, so he went far from his land, saying, I shall not die where I shall be seen. So he cast himself in the red sea and died there, placing a tablet over his chest so that he could sink in the river. And on the tablet was written: I am YHWH, the God Almighty. 37. Then a man named Oshea found the corpse of mosheh (Yahweh) floating upon the river, because the tablet had rolled over and had sunken. And when Oshea checked the body of the dead, he found also on it: I am Yahweh, the God Almighty.

Niflheim:
@OtemAtum,

This is a very powerful post!!! Do you remember David Koresh? His members worshipped him as the son of god(until the FBI killed him in a barnyard inferno)!!!

Have you heard of "OSHO"? Till today, his members insist that he never died, and that he was never born, because he always existed and he has gone to exist in another planet!!!

This is how religions start!!!

Thanks so much for the two names you've brought up. Paxonel can add them to the list I made below, including Wanyioyi.

Magnifico2000:
Some of these deaths are not natural. Some did rituals to be famous and paid the price with short life span.

Which of these people is half as famous as Donald Trump and yet you thing they did ritual? African mentality eeh...na wa.

paxonel:
ok,

To you, are these past beings spirits or physical beings?

They were spiritual when they were in the spiritual realms. They were physical when they were on the planet earth. They died and became spiritual beings again.

You(Paxonel) were spiritual when you were in the spiritual realms(before you were brought into this earth consciousness). You are now physical as you are in this physical realm. Whenever you die, you will become a spiritual being again.

Now compare the two(you and them) and you will find out that there is no difference between you and Yahweh or Allah.

However, the only difference they made was that when they were on earth like you, they made people to worship them as God Almighty. Then after they were dead, people continued to worship them as God Almighty such that today many people now thought of them as God Almighty while they don't even come near.

If Olumba Olumba, Haille Selassie,Reverend King, Sat Guru Maharaji, Malaika, etc can have millions of worshippers after their death, then it won't be a shock when these people mentioned above become the 'God Almighty' to humans of the future, same way Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu etc who are past dead beings have now become the 'God Almighty' to some people today.

paxonel:
we are still saying the same thing. Only that you are trying to exclude Yahweh and Allah for whatever reason i do not know.

We are not saying the same thing, having the knowledge of Atom which is the smallest particle of an element that can take part in a chemical reaction is more than a quintillion times greater than studying Yahweh and Allah combined. He who studies Atom (no matter how small it is) is capable of inventing many things more than he who study Yahweh and Allah all the rest of his life. Therefore the CONCENTRATION OF GOD ALMIGHTY in a substance as little as Atom is a googleplex times more than the concentration of God Almighty in Yahweh and Allah combined.

lies from the cage of Yahweh

Joagbaje:
LETS BE HONEST WOULD YOU ADMIT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED?

Yes I would. When I just began my journey, something happened to me and I admitted even before Atum interpreted it to me. So I'll always admit if something significant happen to me.

Shepherd00:
I'm sorry for you oo. You brought a really serious problem to.a.place crawling with the Demons possessed seeking for good.counsel.

Don't you have a Spiritual mentor?

Are you a Christian? Have you talked to Jesus abt this?

Have you talked to your pastor abt it?

Why do you think teenagers will have a better answer for you here?

You are a perfect example of what the Book of Universal History described in the book of Ikilo.

Ikilo 4:4
4. And your pastors and parents shall interprete your natural dreams to you in a demonized way. For all the elements of your dreams shall be demonized and the messages which they carry shall be turned into scary imagery for you to contend for the rest of your life.



Must you guys always spiritualise everything? If a bird shits on your head, they'll demonize it. If an owl or a bat make sound, they will demonize it.

's now 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks and 5 days since Jehovah has been captured in his spiritual prison

It's now 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks and 4 days since Jehovah has been captured in his spiritual prison

paxonel:
Is there truly competition between religion and science?
I don't think so.

Rather they compliment each other.

Science is there for inventions, religion is there to keep the mind and spirit with God.
So, both have their different roles to play.

Religion is not keeping mind and spirit with God, rather, it's keeping your mind and spirit with some past beings. For example, Christianity will keep your mind and spirit with Yahweh, who died some years back, while Islam will keep your mind and spirit with Allah(Abd Allah) who died some years back too. Science studies nature, which is a part of God Almighty, thereby keeping our minds and spirits with God Almighty (the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE).

Learn the truth

The truth is here

There's no god that can withstand the truth of the Universe which I, god Otem, have brought to the world. Yahweh cannot rise where Otem is.

Eyes keep opening as the gods of religion remain in their cage.

It's now 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks and 3 days since Jehovah has been captured in his spiritual prison

202 days left

It's now 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks and 3 days since Jehovah has been captured in his spiritual prison

Justice310:
Why Mourinho? He has nothing to offer us rather than to disorganize the players like he did in his last spell. He's not matured in terms of relationship, so arrongant.

but he has always won the EPL for Chelsea during his two terms in Chelsea. He can do that one more time.

It's now 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks and 2 days since Jehovah has been captured in his spiritual prison

1Sharon:
Thank you brother for this divine message. May we remain blessed always.

Amen!

Fictitious Jesus has no power, except the power it has been rumoured to have.

DECENCY3:
They were disciplined and Kumuyi almost resigned if not intervention of leaders

Everything was staged guy. Why should the wedding hold in the first place? They should have cancelled it the way they did to this one.

I want Mourinho

It's now 2 years, 9 months, 2 weeks and 1 day since Jehovah has been captured in his spiritual prison