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Christianity Etc › Re: The Side Effects Of Not Paying Tithes by OtemAtum: 11:01pm On Jul 20, 2017
HiddenManna:
OtemAtum, eh! E be like say you don repent! undecided thank God yo grin
repent of what?
Christianity Etc › Re: Oh My God!!i've Been Charm Via Food by OtemAtum: 9:07pm On Jul 20, 2017
Jhaytee4all:
Lol

Could that be a Deja Vu?

Nevertheless, coincidence do happen in life...

grin
The Op copied the story directly from that link.
Christianity Etc › Re: Oh My God!!i've Been Charm Via Food by OtemAtum: 8:53pm On Jul 20, 2017
You love food, that's all I can say. And who wouldn't like free food like that? cheesy cheesy

BTW, this story is false and the OP has only copied the false story from somewhere. See it here: https://www.nairaland.com/2841999/think-been-charmed-via-food
Christianity Etc › Re: The Doctrine Of The Ufos by OtemAtum:
Chapter Eighty - Eight
1. Now Otori and his family had settled in a rocky place. And the vegetation of that place was not good. And Otori regretted his decision of listening to Ireshe when he said that he had been ordained as a priest by the gods.
2. And Otori wept and sang songs. And he gathered his children together and instructed them by experience, saying, let no one take away your belongings through tale telling. For if you allow a priest to decide for you, you shall be rendered poor and wretched.
3. Let no one scare you with the dreams you have, saying, the interpretation of your dream is sorrow and death. Therefore bring such and such things for sacrifice.
4. For I have learnt by my experience that bad dreams are not as they appear.
5. Have I not dreamt of each of you my children die? But till today, none of you have died. This is to say that dreams are meaningless or maybe we do not know their meanings yet.
6. Also, I have noticed the sudden swell of my head after the incident in the place of many skulls and apes. And the wave which ran suddenly like lightning through my body did I also experience after that event in the downside of the valley.
7. But I cannot conclude again that all the latter experiences of head swelling and shock are encounters with ghosts.
8. But I have concluded that ignorance is the reason why we conclude that anything we cannot explain is spiritual and ghostly.
9. Now my children, do not stay in this land for too long. But you shall go and claim back the land of your fathers. For now it has been named after Ireshe. And the name of it is Vareshe.
10. Make sure that you get the land back when you are great in number and strength. And if you cannot get it back, let your own children or children 's children go and possess it. For only then shall I be able to rest in my grave.
11. Bring back the tradition of checking all things deeply before making conclusion. For it was that which had kept the land of Uvo for long before I caused its downfall by listen in to Ireshe.
12. I know that with the backing of our ancestors, we shall get our land back.
13. My children, the wisdom of the world is so many that only one homo cannot have it all. Therefore if anyone come to you and manifest just one or two of the wisdoms of the world to you, know that such homo has manifested only his own parts of the massive potentials of the world.
14. And be prepared not to subject yourself to such homo to be a lord over you. For you have your own potentials too. Manifest it in singing and dancing weird dances, whereby you mount on one another and still dance without falling. This is your potential, so make it manifest.
15. For some knows how to divine. And some knows how to make tools. And some knows how to hunt animals with bare hands. And some knows how to tame animals. And there is no one who has no potential.
16. Develop your voices and make your talent of dances known. Make musical Instruments which have not been made before. Pass down words of wisdom in songs and stories. And do not submit your minds to strangers to enslave them.
17. Stay together in uniy and let things be well done.
18. I know that I shall soon take the last deep breath and go to join my ancestors. Make sure you observe all the things I have told you. And the spirits of my ancestors shall be with you.
19. Now some days after Otori had instructed his children, he died. And they buried him among the rocks. For they thought to take his remains to the former Uvo land whenever they had conquered it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Worldy Music: Compiled By Otem From Billions Of Years Forward by OtemAtum(op): 8:15pm On Jul 20, 2017
Chapter Five

A song of Danyal: All Heads Are Connected

1. It's possible to make me see what you want. It's a mystery but it's true. You imagine it deep. And then you create it there. I stumble upon it. And I wonder how. It's because all heads are connected.
2. He imagines fire and it becomes real. He tells me about it. Then I see his imagination so real. And the fire felt. And I wonder how. It's because all heads are connected.
3. I want you to see me as a demon. I create one in my head. Then I go out to scare you. Then you see me in your dreams. I squeeze your neck so tight. It's not the real me you see, but my imagination. It's because all heads are connected.
4. All heads are connected, so you can see the treasures of my head if you go deep into your own head. And in the heads of evil beings shall you see the fire. This is why it is not good to meditate on the words of bad gods.
5. All heads are connected, yes they are connected.

A song of Mulah: The Fields Are Green
6. The fields are green on a peaceful day. They turn to red in the days of war. O the violet colour of peace turned around by violent wars. We wish the war will soon be gone. And then shall we rejoice once more.
7. Innocent jews in the land of Deutsche. Histar's armies tearing them apart. O the violet colour of peace turned around by violent wars. We cry we sigh, wishing Histar's death. But our wishes never come to real.
8. Rejoice O world, Histar is dead. It's time to make sweet melody. . O the violet colour of peace turned around by violent wars. From East to west, from North to south, we sing a wonderful melody.

A song of Elim: Take A Little Rest
9. For two decades, sixty seasons, all I do is working steadily. There's no rest, no rest for my soul. It's not all about the running, when there's no healthy feeling. Now I think, I think it's time to take a little rest.
10. Going slowly, going slowly, getting all my lost energy back. What's the profit of working, working when the heart is beating badly. It is time, it is time to take a little rest.
11. You have headache, backache, seizure, it's the time to seek a resting place. Doctors, nurses work together. It's all for your good to be checked. It is good, it's good to have some little help.
12. Going slowly, going slowly, getting all my lost energy back. What's the profit of working, working when the heart is beating badly. It is time, it is time to take a little rest.
13. When you're healthy, see the doctor. Sicknesses don't manifest at once. Diabetes, cancer, ulcer, can be checked before they stay too long. It's not good, not good to be over-confident.
14. Going slowly, going slowly, getting all my lost energy back. What's the profit of working, working when the heart is beating badly. It is time, it is time to take a little rest.

A song of Limbani: I'll Swim Ahead

15. I'm in the water for a purpose. I may not know, I may not know. But I don't stay in it and drown. I spread my limbs and swim ahead. The sunset must not meet me in the waters. I have to swim away. I cannot let myself sink in this deep blue sea. I'll swim ahead.
16. I've come into this troubled world for a purpose. I may not see a reason now. All I can do is to make someone smile. I do something that make her simile. Death must not come on me when I've done nothing. I cannot go away without helping someone. I'll show some love.
17. We're on some missions in this planet. We have to know whate'er they are. Follow your mind and do something good. Never do bad to harm the earth. We don't die until we are done with our missions. Or else we face a reincarnation. I'll do my best.

A song of Bongo: Make Your Own Choice

18. Choose what to be upon the earth. The choice is yours not mine to make. Consult your soul and make the best of choices. Do not look at what he chooses. Make your own choice.
19. Millions of minds are locked as slaves. The choice is yours to free your own. You've made the right kind of decision. Though it may be weird and one of its kind. Make your own choice.

A song of Bongo: We Make The World

20. It is not anything hard to measure the efforts of your ancestors. You can know how good or bad they were. Just check around your habitation. Examine how good and beautiful it is. That is all the effort they have put together so far.
21. We make the world around us look the way our minds and Imaginations look. A good and neat surrounding is the product of those who live in it. A country's beautifully structured if the minds in it are beautiful. A dirty nation is made by those who dwell in it from time to time. We make the world, we make the world, we make the part of the world where we are.
22. Where there are two million people but with only twenty wise ones. It is not as great as a nation of twenty thousand with two thousand wise ones in it. The greatness of a nation is the function of those who live in it. Be the change your nation wish for. Turn it around and paint it colourfully well. We make the world, we make the world, we make the part of the world where we are.
21. We make the world around us look the way our minds and Imaginations look. A good and neat surrounding is the product of those who live in it. A country's beautifully structured if the minds in it are beautiful. A dirty nation is made by those who dwell in it from time to time. We make the world, we make the world, we make the part of the world where we are.

A song of Otem: I Am A Diamond

22. I'm so hard for you to break. But I can break anything. I'm a god among the gods. I am a winner. It's a privilege, a great privilege to be made as strong as iron. I'm unbreakable, so unbreakable. I am a Diamond.
23. I'm made greater than the gods. It's the truth I'm not boasting. I am wiser than the gods. I am invincible. It's a privilege, a great privilege, to be made as wise as Atum. I'm unshakeable, so unshakeable. I am a King Crown.
24. We're evolving to something else. It's a kind of great consciousness. We're waking up from our sleep. We are the fearless. It's a privilege, a great privilege to be available at the moment. We're untouchable, so untouchable. We are the great God.

A song of Gito, composed in the afterlife: We Live On

25. I live on in your heart, you can keep thinking about me. I'm in existence here in the place of peace. I sing on in the place of harmony. We don't die in the soul, no matter what they do to our body. We are not our body, but consciousness is what we are. We are energy and we live on.
26. Love is the only keyword, no matter how the death we die on earth. It's not a tragedy when death comes. For we feel peace here no matter whom we are. We are loved the way we are, we don't have to be some angels. We are not our body, but consciousness is what we are. We are energy and we live on.
27. A change is coming to Africa, though it will take long. Do not be left out of the change of nature. It is a call to fearlessness and deep thinking. A call to dump religion and face psychology. We are not our body, but consciousness is what we are. We are energy and we live on.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Battle Is Getting Interesting by OtemAtum: 8:14pm On Jul 20, 2017
oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



That is a complete LIE.

EUSEBIUS got the NEW TESTAMENT from ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA.

The New Testament of the King James Version, THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS, comes to us from the original Christians of ANTIOCH (Acts 11:26).
Are these all you've got? Tell me when the new testament was compiled o jare. Before or after Eusebius, pls answer the question.

BTW, I who have spiritually been attacked by Eusebius before I even know that he existed am talking here. What have you seen apart from Bible passages. I have seen beyond this world and I am still seeing.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Side Effects Of Not Paying Tithes by OtemAtum: 6:22pm On Jul 20, 2017
Keep hustling, you will get there someday. When I stopped paying my own tithes to the thieves called pastors, that was when way opened for me. However, paying tithe or not paying it doesn't affect one's progress on earth, except that a poor tither will be poorer if he didn't get a good job.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Side Effects Of Not Paying Tithes by OtemAtum: 6:19pm On Jul 20, 2017
lepasharon:
look at this grin
cheesy cheesy cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 6:17pm On Jul 20, 2017
lepasharon:
Is his wife on NL?
All the plenty accounts are accessible by both of them. Bbfever, Omoabejide and co. are run by both of them and their scamming partners.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 1:49pm On Jul 20, 2017
[quote author=Oloruntobi4382 post=58649885]Nice to hear about your experience. And what you said about a non-theist knowing more about christianity and it's doctrine than an average christian is so much true. Sometimes ago, i lost almost all my friends(mostly staunch Yahwists) because of my belief. You will hear them say:


"Tobi, you are possessed by a demon." shocked The same way the wife of a fraudster said on NL[quote]Point of correction @d bolded, it's the concubine of the fraudster.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 1:46pm On Jul 20, 2017
Martinez19:
who are those couples?
That is 4evergod and his wife. They duped a nairalander 6 million naira plus and they are currently on the run. They are well known gospel preachers and testifiers here on nairaland.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 1:44pm On Jul 20, 2017
Oloruntobi4382:
Is that Analice and Chinedu?
tongue

No, it is Lucy and Chinedu(4evergod) the 419 couple.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 4:02am On Jul 20, 2017
Deicide:
otematum you no day every taya for that guy mata?
zero tolerance for scammers.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 10:25pm On Jul 19, 2017
lepasharon:
There is another moniker of his, I don't think anyone knew about: blogger2tooker
And there is babagod also
Christianity Etc › Re: Worldy Music: Compiled By Otem From Billions Of Years Forward by OtemAtum(op):
Chapter Four

A song of Otem: We fly Across The World

1. I go to a world of no significant gravity to perform impossible activity. Though I've got no wing, yet I still fly high, high, to pluck the stars. It does not have to be in the world of physicality before I call it a reality. I fly across the sky.
2. I've left all problems below while I lay in the sky space with the cloud pillows. And I see all heads raised high, high to look at the Star. It does not have to be a possibility before I try to make it a reality. I fly across the sky.
3. I soon see that I'm not alone in the freedom flight skyborne. It's like I've raised high high the energy of all the gloomy stars. It does not have to be a billion stars joining in the flight before we bring it to physicality. We fly across the sky.

A song of Euchlydes: It's As Good As Gold

4. Think of the world with no wildlife. The forests shall stay void of life. With which air shall the trees make their foods? For humans are staying far away.
5. Is this not a reason why animals are needed in the forest. To feed the plants with the breeze they need. It's good to spare the jungle life. Oh it's as good as gold.
6. Humans do not stay convenient in a jungle. They clear the bush and kill the plants. If no plant is left in the whole wide world, humanity will not survive. So plant a tree today.
7. Is this not a reason why plants are needed in the earth? To feed humans with the food they need. It's good to spare the garden plants. Oh it's as good as gold.
8. Think of the world with no human. Everywhere shall look disorganised. The plants shall grow beyond their bounds. So spare humanity.
9. Is this not a reason why humans are needed to dominate? To feed the animals at home with food. It's good to do away with human war. Oh it's as good as gold.

A song of Horus: We keep on Fighting
10. It is not easy to defeat evil, but we keep on fighting. A warrior do not turn his back to his enemies at war. So fight the evil, fight! Fight the evil, fight! Fight against the evil Seth. He has the strength of battalions, but we keep on fighting, we keep on fighting. We keep on fighting till we win.
11. Evil stays longer on the earth, but it disappears when the good give it no rest. Deception, lying and false testimonies are the armies of evil in the battle. So fight the evil, fight! Fight the evil, fight! Fight against the evil Seth. He has the backing of Yahweh, who calls bad things good, but we keep on fighting, we keep on fighting. We keep on fighting till we win.

A song of Motep: Medicine Is Magical

12. It's the most interesting of all thing to get a dying soul up again. What could be more wonderful, marvellous and beautiful than this? Comes sick returns healthy, was dying but now living. It's the most amazing of all.
13. That's why I say that, medicine is magical, physical, psychological. It's amazing to see a dying soul rise again. Interesting and wonderful, beautiful and miracle. It's medicine we give the kudos to.
14. Physicians and the herbalists, psychologists and the midwives, working together to save a dying life. The shamans are trying too, everyone doing what he could. It's most emotional of all.
15. That's why I say that, medicine is magical, physical, psychological. It's amazing to see a dying soul rise again. Interesting and wonderful, beautiful and miracle. It's medicine we give the kudos to.
16. Sing aloud: medicine is magical, physical, psychological. It's amazing to see a dying soul rise again.

A song of Cuenca: The World At A Glance

17. Looking at the world at a glance, I see a place where liars reign supreme. They form hallos of lies around their heads and become untouchable.
18. The men in hallos deceive the people. They make themselves untouchable. They wreck the poor and scare the thinkless with the tales of their returning god.
19. Looking at the world at a glance, I discover it's a place of psychology. The highly rich in intelligence decieve the majority poor.
20. The men in hallos deceive the people. They make themselves untouchable. They wreck the poor and scare the thinkless with the tales of their returning god.
21. Looking at the world at a glance, I know it's not for the poor in mind. For only those who have the mind can actually turn the table around.
22. The men in hallos deceive the people. They make themselves untouchable. They wreck the poor and scare the thinkless with the tales of their returning god.
23. Looking at the world at a glance, I'm sure it wouldn't end so soon. They say it's already end time, but I say it's all a lie.
24. The men in hallos deceive the people. They make themselves untouchable. They wreck the poor and scare the thinkless with the tales of their returning god.

A song of Niklas: I See The Unbelievable
25. I see the unbelievable. It is inexplicable. The world is looking beautiful, like a paradise on earth. Words are short, voices gone. It's like I'm going crazy right now. How can I tell of the dolphins flying, flying high in the sky?
26. I see the most impossible. It is unacceptable. A metallic snake, crawling on a metallic road. With humans entering and coming out from it. It's a great sight but very weird, so weird that I'm scared to tell.
27. I see the unbelievable. It is wonderful. The world is using lights so free, curing, cutting with solid lights. It seems it's not on planet earth, no it's earth because I know.
28. They say it's so impossible. It's just a fantasy. They say the world will end before any of such can come to pass. The earthquakes, wars and the famine here shall end the world too soon.
29. Then all I say is time will tell. It's all about patience. They hate the things I say to them and burnt things I wrote down. Niklatians doctrine so evil, it won't survive the time, they say.

A song of the first beings: Let's come together

30. Let's come together to sing again. Join us in the melody of peace. Come to the land of peace to sing a song. There's no other thing so good as Har-mony.
31. Join in the melody of peace, come to the land of peace to sing a song. We are the eight great ones upon the earth. What a wonderful, peaceful song we sing.
33. Join in the song of peace of the eight gods. Anakims, nephilims and Gaia. Everyone is invited to this place. Join us in the melody of peace. Join in the melody. Join in the melody.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 7:20pm On Jul 19, 2017
Oloruntobi4382:
Chinedu, how far? Hope ya ministry is moving?
Chine what? Ministry ke?
I'm on a mission for the future. It shouldn't even move till future times.

How's life? Where have u been?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Was People Reaction When You Told Them About Your Belief As An Atheist by OtemAtum: 6:42pm On Jul 19, 2017
Spacebooking...
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Good People Required To Be Born Again? by OtemAtum: 6:41pm On Jul 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:
for the fact something wrong was said in someone's name does not make the person non existent... you are entitled to your beliefs
it's true, everybody is entitled to his belief. And those who know are entitled to their knowledge too. cool
Christianity Etc › Re: Endwatch Breaking News!! : Swedish Workers Implanted With Microchips by OtemAtum: 5:33pm On Jul 19, 2017
dalaman:
Shebi Jesus lied to his disciples that they were in the last days and even told them to keep running around like rats and that before they finish running round Israel he'll return. keep waiting for a dead Jewish man to come and take you to an imaginary place with streets of gold . Don't accept new technology be there deluding yourself.
Guy abeg don't kill me with hyperL cheesy Lsion here. Israel should be doing very well in marathon race now assuming they heed the instruction of fictitious jesus. Eventually, Kenya who obeyed his instruction is now doing well in such race while Israel is nowhere to be found in racing competition.
Christianity Etc › Re: Live Video Of Woman Who Turns To Tortoise In Imo!! Happening Now….. by OtemAtum: 3:58pm On Jul 19, 2017
Bloggers and lies. They saw tortoise and were snapping it , which is a normal thing. Negative journalists looking for traffic gave the event another title, misleading one.
Christianity Etc › Re: Evasive And Time Wasting Techniques By Christians by OtemAtum: 3:19pm On Jul 19, 2017
Martinez19:
It is not a new thing when christians are defeated in an argument or debate. It is usually common. One thing I have noticed is that almost at the point of christians realising that they are in error, they resort to evasion by bringing up pointless argument, threat and insults (if possible). All of these do not contribute anything to the argument at hand.

THREATS AND INTIMIDATION
When christians are obviously defeated and have nothing to say or contribute further, they escape arguments with threats like "..... hmm, I pity you repent before it's too late." as if it contributes to the argument. Other threats and intimidation include "....may you not realise the truth on the day of judgment.", "... do not increase the wrath of God. " Oga o.

INSULT
Suppose the non-christian who defeated the christian in the were to be a poor man or a begger, they would skip the argument with ".... see who is speaking against God. no wonder your life is like this.", ".... you see your life. You better come to Jesus to fix it. No wonder it is like this. " smh.

VAGUE REPLY AND POINTLESS REPLY
A man was addressing the question "why won't God heal amputees?" and he replied "... there is a man who can preach to people despite the fact that he was born without limbs. So you see, God can use you where you are and what ever your condition is." *facepalms*. He gave a vague answer. When a topic attacks the existence of God, some on nairaland reply with "another useless topic.", "this one is frustrated.","my brother, believe me God is real." etc. these replies usually have nothing to do with the argument.

IGNORING THE ARGUMENT
This happens on nairaland a lot. When you open a thread with sound arguments that would shake any faith, christians view it and ignore it. One or two that reply utilise any of the aforementioned points.

KingEbukasBlog, hopefulLandlord, HardMirror, catfishbilly, analice107, otemanuduno, Johnydon22, etc.
Perfectly said
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Good People Required To Be Born Again? by OtemAtum: 3:17pm On Jul 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:
the synoptic Gospels are not the only sources on the life of Jesus.. there are tons of other letters attributed to him... reading about their histories, authors and causes of the testimonies will give you a clearer picture of who Jesus was... i don't rely on only the four gospels... especially with the rumor of the rcc editing a few things

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

like i said earlier .. reading genuine gospels attributed to him will give you a clearer picture... i do not deny the fact that individual authors tend to put a little bias in their writings.. but a wide scope will bring you closer to the picture.. its not about knowing if that statement was made by him.. although its important.. its not the main point.. the big picture is to get the main point of his message
Oh, I'll like to read what jesus said in first person singular. That's the only one we can trust. Else, it becomes a possibility to classify this jesus a fictitious hero invented by some mischievous folks.

Either way, I know who are real and who are not cool
Christianity Etc › Re: Second Debate: Strictly Between Hopefullandlord And I On The "Reality Of God" by OtemAtum: 2:36pm On Jul 19, 2017
ambassagod:
Sorry, bye.

Don't reply again.
Thanks cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Second Debate: Strictly Between Hopefullandlord And I On The "Reality Of God" by OtemAtum: 2:35pm On Jul 19, 2017
ambassagod:
MR. man, can you do me a favour by "JUMPING OUT" of this debate.

So much irrationality!! And you aren't ashamed of that!

Good Night! You are not needed here.

Hint for followers:
Nothing means NOT A SINGLE THING.
Ashamed of what if I may ask? Seems u hate my personality and why is that?
Christianity Etc › Re: Second Debate: Strictly Between Hopefullandlord And I On The "Reality Of God" by OtemAtum: 2:33pm On Jul 19, 2017
Ever8054:
..that ones sees nothing in a bowl and another letter sees whatever in it do not give "NOTHING" a different definition....here is the balance...
..(A)>sees "nothing "=common definition of nothing.
..(B)>sees "something"=common definition of something..
Note÷.eventuality,does not change meaning of word but can only change the word with a meaning that best describe the new event. so if Lawrence says" Nothing " to his audience the meaning of the word is established.
..in a case,he actually means "SOMETHING else"
he will definitely not use the already established word"NOTHING " in its original meaning to negotiate the "THING" on his mind.
.that is where the event changes and requires a new word with a meaning suitable to the change.

Lawrence,. says "NOTHING" but means something else=confusion in its original meaning nothing else..
Have u read the actual thing Lawrence said and how he said it? Pls I'm curious to know.
Christianity Etc › Re: Second Debate: Strictly Between Hopefullandlord And I On The "Reality Of God" by OtemAtum: 1:23pm On Jul 19, 2017
The 'nothing' of today becomes 'something' in the future or by the use of microscope. For example, you may say thereis nothing in a bowl, but another person may say there are actually something. There are bacteria, viruses, etc.

So I understand what hopefullandlord is saying that there could be different definition of 'nothing'. Every 'nothing' can become something as soon as they are discovered to be something. But it doesn't make those who initially thought of them as nothing liars. That's why science give space for modification.

I'm observing. cool
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Good People Required To Be Born Again? by OtemAtum: 12:25pm On Jul 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:
two things..

1. apart from the claim of a random author that “jesus said"... you'll need extra proof that Jesus said those EXACT words.. so before you term anyone a liar then you need to prove that

2. abiding in Jesus.. is following his commandments sent from God..
So u don't believe the four synoptic gospels or whathuh

So how do we know that abiding in jesus means following h is commandments when we are not hearing it directly from him but from you?
Christianity Etc › Re: Second Debate: Strictly Between Hopefullandlord And I On The "Reality Of God" by OtemAtum: 12:02pm On Jul 19, 2017
Ever8054:
thank you..hope you are trough!!?...
undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Created God? by OtemAtum: 11:32am On Jul 19, 2017
Hawlahscho:
Now, OP can gracefully pick up his answer here if that's the God he's looking for his Creator.
Else, I still maintain my NOBODY KNOWS until it's agreed someone does.
by saying nobody knows, u are trying to speak for everybody, which is not logical enough. That you don't know doesn't mean that another person cannot know. BTW, if the god you have in mind is yahweh or allah, I know who created those ones. But I don't know who created the one who created yahweh and allah.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Good People Required To Be Born Again? by OtemAtum: 10:38am On Jul 19, 2017
Wilgrea7:
those people are already in heaven... with that kind of behavior.. they have created heaven for their minds.. they give and radiate positive energy.. they possess love.. at least to a great extent ...people who continue like that are sure to have a heavenly afterlife... any religion that tells you that you need to accept someone.. be it Jesus or Mohammad or Mithras... is lying...its all a setup for control... being born again is being born of love.. the kind of love Jesus stood for... salvation didn't depend on the invented nicene creed.. even though I'm not religious.. I'll leave you with some of the alleged words of Jesus himself

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

peace
So you mean to say that 'Jesus' lied when he said 'Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.' And 'no man comes to the father except through me.'

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