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At the 1967 District Convention, Wisconsin Sheboygan District Overseer Brother Charles Sinutko presented the talk "Serving with Everlasting Life in View", making the following statement:

"STAY ALIVE TILL '75"

As evidence, see the video below and listen to the recording of the talk by Charles Sinutko -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjzgYnq5Uo

Watchtower 1966 Oct 15 pp.629,631

"It did not take the brothers very long to find the chart beginning on page 31, showing that 6,000 years of man's existence end in 1975.

Discussion of 1975 overshadowed about everything else. "

The new book compels us to realize that Armageddon is, in fact, very close indeed," said a conventioner. Surely it was one of the outstanding blessings to be carried home!" .. Brother Franz. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could!

It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah's witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could.

But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975.

But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that."

This is from Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp. 19 - 20

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation?

Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975.


It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end".

The world almost ended in 1975.

I kid you not.

From 1966 to 1975, the Watchtower regularly implied that Armageddon would arrive in 1975.

However, ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses about this date and they will invariably deny there ever being such statements.

As evidence, here are a few quotes from their own publications -

"The published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man's creation as 4026 B.C.E.

According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E.

So six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation. So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man's existence.

How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants!

This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God's part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ.

It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the 'Lord of the Sabbath,' to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man's existence." Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God 1966 pp.26-30

I am just getting started.

Religion is such a powerful tool!

Even though he is still a scammer by my own books, you have to agree that it took real GUTS for him to admit he made a mistake and render an apology to his many followers.

Unlike the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses who have been deceiving their members for over a century now.

In 1975, they prophesied that the world would come to end - people sold their homes, some sold their businesses, many refused to go to school, some people didn't marry, all because they believed the world was ending in 1975.

"Stay Alive Till '75!" - was their mantra back then.

Their leaders never admitted they were wrong, neither did they offer any apology like Benny Ginn did.

Instead, they blamed their followers for been gullible, and said the "light was getting brighter"

You think I am lying?

In 1968, Charles Sinutko, a top member of the Jehovah's Witnesses gave a talk titled - "Serving With Everlasting Life In View".

It was during this talk that the "end of the world" 1975 prophecy was officially announced at one of their conventions - although they wrote about it in a Watchtower magazine in 1967.

As evidence, watch the video below to listen to the talk from 1968 -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqjzgYnq5Uo

Courz:
Breaking News. There was a recent leakage from Whistle blower Bethelites that shows that Watchtower has a Public Information Department. This department is responsible for making Watchtower look good in Media and the Public. We all know that Watchtower is Lies Personified so expect Lies to be told in the media in order to make Watchtower look good.

The leaks showed certain unpalatable information. One of which is Watchtower training the members of that department on how to lie in the media. This is very useful when issues like Child Sexual Abuse come up. This attempt by Watchtower is a way to deny any attachment to JWs and absolve themselves of any responsibility. Below are screenshots from the Public Information department Manual. It was mentioned that JWs shouldn't be identified as Members of the organisation or Congregation. Therefore, if JWs in higher positions get orders from Watchtower to carry out certain policies and these JWs get into trouble with the Law, Watchtower will deny any connections with them by saying they are not members of the congregation or organisation.

WOW!

I heard of the PID department some weeks ago, I didn't know there was leak from Bethel.

Watchtower is just a business cooperation masking itself as a religion to avoid paying tax.

So even their "loyal" elders are thrown under the bus?

It seems this 2023 is going to be a year of endless ligations for Watchtower.

It now makes sense why all of a sudden, they launched the PID.

Imagine "God's Organization", the "only true religion" buying positive press from "Satan's World".

Such disgusting hypocrisy!

HellVictorinho6:
Please,respond to my last email.


Please.

You have sorted it out right?

MaxInDHouse:
So you've denied yourself a great opportunity of chatting friendly with Maximus the one and only Nairalander you know can help you out with what you seek regarding the historicity of Jesus the Nazarene!

I still repeat incase you didn't hear me clearly the first two times - MaxInDHouse, kindly shove your terms and conditions down your throat especially the "great opportunity" that you speak about.

Your arrogance is nusiating.

I will keep this as evidence that you've been lying to your own soul claiming you want to chat with Maximus. Enjoy your weekend Mr Oteneaaron Courz!

Do what thou wilt.

You cannot eat your cake and have it.

Imagine the nerve, giving me terms and conditions on Nairaland?

With my own internet data?

On my own phone?

Wow!

Wetin my eye no go see for Nairaland Religion Section?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i don't know you so if call me out in a forum of millions of commentators i also should at least give you terms and conditions since you're neither my brother through faith, business nor blood.

So if you're ready let's chat like friends on Nairaland unless you have bad intentions which you know Maximus has proven to be much more cunning than you can be! Matthew 10:16

I reiterate - you can shove your terms and conditions down your throat.

Imagine the nerve.

Such disgusting narcissistic attitude.

MaxInDHouse:
@ oteneaaron
When you walk up to someone and start a conversation the first thing you should have at the back of your mind is "i'm extending a hand of friendship" because the person never called for you.

Oh, so you have stopped running?

You ran away from that thread and you are here now?

What "hand of friendship" do you speak about?

So i will give you the privilege of having a meaningful discussion with me provided you agree with this terms and conditions:

© Friendly and sincere while discussing.
© Chat heartily since no one is a criminal.
© Twisting each other's comment, prohibited.
© Just between two persons no interruptions.

I will ask you questions just as you too will ask me, let's chat as friends on Nairaland!

Lol.

What a narcissistic behavior!

You think too much of yourself.

Imagine this man giving me terms and conditions.

Such nerve.

You can shove your terms and conditions down your throat.

Ken4Christ:
No problem. Go ahead. But you will regret not taking advantage of this opportunity to repent. The pain in hell is unbearable. And you will be transferred to the Lake of Fire where you will be made to swim in liquid fire that the temperature can melt a metal.

Who did this to you that you will not accept the truth just because you have chosen to defend lies?

Lol, you are using Hell Fire to threaten a JW?

Such effort is futile.

As a JW, MaxInDHouse is more scared of the "incoming war of Armageddon", where you and billions of people who are not Jehovah's Witnesses and do not believe in their doctrines will be killed off.

Only the 8million JWs will survive and when the war is over, one of their main tasks will be burying billions upon billions of dead bodies.

The war of Armageddon is their own level of threat that is equivalent to your threat of Hell Fire.

Make sense?

Just to add, they have been waiting for this war of Armageddon for quite some time now - over a century..

- They prophesied that it would occur in 1914 - it didn't happen.

- They prophesied that it would occur in 1925 - it didn't happen

- They prophesied that it would occur in 1975 - it still didn't happen.

Although all those prophecies failed, they are still waiting for the war of Armageddon that would destroy billions upon billions of non-JWs.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and ask your friends the so called "WE" and "US" about the historicity of Jesus, they claimed they are BORN AGAIN!

Lol.

We, US, Me, You, Them, etc.

See him jumping from pillar to post again.

When he can't answer a tough question, he runs away!

It is his modus operandi.

MaxInDHouse:
If someone refuses to grant you an interview but you have lots of friends who are willing to stand by you what exactly is stopping you from switching over to your friends?
Or aren't you sure of your friends?
Must it be the one denying you what you cherish so dearly?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i'm beginning to see deception written all over you!

C'mon Mr man ask your friends about the historicity of Jesus after all they've been exchanging greetings in Jesus name!

Lol.

He still can't answer!

See him jumping from pillar to post!

He said he was filled with holy spirit and the proof is that he has the inert ability to say the TRUTH no matter how bitter it was.

But upon further investigation, we have evidence that shows that he and his organization have been spreading LIES for more than the 120 years since they have been in existence.

So which Holy Spirit is he and his organization filled to brim with, that would make them spread such blatant lies for more than a century?

Why should an "Holy Spirit" spread lies?

Isn't that instead, proof of an Un-Holy Spirit?

Watch him beat around the bush without any concrete answer.

It is his Modus Operandi.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So now that you're sure i can't answer don't you think you need to face those that has all the answers you want?

Ask your friends about the historicity of Jesus Christ!
Do enjoy the weekend!

Lol

You sound jittery.

I thought as a JW, you must be ready at all times to defend your faith.

With all the holy spirit you're filled with, all you could do was run away from thought provoking questions.

SMH

MaxInDHouse:
That's SMARTNESS of a disciple! Luke 12:11-12

If you're not a LIAR now is the time to prove that you're not Courz by asking for an interview regarding the historicity of Jesus, after all over 300 posts and pictures has been dropped on your thread by this moniker so he supposed to be your friend by now, why is it so difficult for you to interview him if you're not the same person?

Lol.

Stop beating around the bush and admit that you can't answer any of the questions I asked.

Oteneaaron is not Courz - stop flogging a dead horse.

I know your modus operandi - when you can't answer a thought provoking question, you run away.

Once again, have a great weekend.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't remember granting you an interview over my beliefs but since brocab and others also claim they believe in Jesus whom you said is fake i'll suggest you ask them to permit you for an interview over their beliefs after all they're your friends.

Perhaps when you're through with them i'll also grant you an interview over my beliefs.

Until then keep warm and enjoy the weekend!

Hahahahahaha

When he cannot answer, he runs away.

You said you are filled with the Holy Spirit and the proof is that you ALWAYS speak the truth no matter how bitter it is.

But we have evidence that you and your organization have not said the truth, but have LIED on many occasions.

So which type of Holy Spirit are you speaking about?

I can understand if the question is too difficult for you answer.

Have a great weekend too.

MaxInDHouse:
This is logical!

From my own viewpoint brocab is a lunatic and that's how himself should see me since insanes do view others as insane.

Case Closed.

Can you now answer those questions I asked?

YES! The HOLY SPIRIT helps us to speak the truth no matter how bitter it will sound in the hearing of a persuasive liar.

1. Where was this same Holy Spirit when your organization LIED that the world would end in 1914,1918, 1925 and 1975 and it never came TRUE?

2. Where was this Holy Spirit when your organization for 10 solid years, were members of the Scarlet Colored Wild Beast aka United Nations?

3. Where was this Holy Spirit when your organization LIED that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE when in reality, it was destroyed in 587BCE?

MaxInDHouse:
So tell him the truth!

brocab is an insane!

If he really is insane as you claim, then you are also insane too.

Anybody can simply go through all your comments on Nairaland and jump that the same conclusion.

I asked some other questions.

I hope you are not ignoring those questions.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what you've always wanted but you and i can never ever be on the same page!

Lol.

If we go by own argument, you and I are both LIARS.

Jesus is a person and i am also a person so he can't be me and i can't be him but either of us can subject to the other's line of thought that's what makes me like him.

So if you are not Jesus, why are you using him as an excuse to call another man like you a lunatic?

YES! The HOLY SPIRIT helps us to speak the truth no matter how bitter it will sound in the hearing of a persuasive liar.

1. Where was this same Holy Spirit when your organization LIED that the world would end in 1914,1918, 1925 and 1975 and it never came TRUE?

2. Where was this Holy Spirit when your organization for 10 solid years, were members of the Scarlet Colored Wild Beast aka United Nations?

3. Where was this Holy Spirit when your organization LIED that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE when in reality, it was destroyed in 587BCE?

A lunatic is one who keeps persuading others over what is not possible. You can't convince your neighbor in the next room to come and live peacefully with you when those living with you in the same apartment are at loggerheads with you, that's a sign of insanity.

Lunatic -

Noun

An Insane person.

Insane -

Noun

Exhibiting unsoundness or disorder of mind; not sane; mad.

Apologize to Brocab and stop beating around the bush.

I have BORN AGAIN brothers in my own church so i know what it means to be BORN AGAIN but since he feels everyone in his own church must be born again then let him prove it by agreeing with you who is one of his friends after all charity they say begins at home!

Why don't you give him your own explanation with evidence, instead of insulting him?

Is this how you behave when you are out there preaching to people?

Is this how you call people lunatics when they ask you thought provoking questions when you are on the streets preaching?

MaxInDHouse:
So what are you doing now as you quoted me and trying to CONVINCE me that what i said is wrong?
LIAR!

Lol.

I am not "trying to convince you" - I only asked you and anybody who is willing, to do the hard work by DOING THE RESEARCH.

You made a statement earlier and I simply countered it.

Funny enough, if we go by your argument, then you and I are both LIARS.

(1) Christian means Christlike so i'm like Jesus.
(2) YES! Proof, i'm saying what Christ said.
(3) Liars do face wrong direction brocab should face you and his cohorts here and compel you guys about his BORN AGAIN stuff first before addressing me.

I didn't ask if you "are like" Jesus.

I asked if you "are Jesus" - the difference is clear.

I still ask - what is the clear proof that you are "full with holy spirit"? - is calling somebody a lunatic one of the proof?

Also, are you finally admitting that you don't know how to answer Brocab's questions about "Born Again Stuff"?

MaxInDHouse:
Convince him if you're sure of this first before quoting me. That's what makes you a liar!

I don't need to convince anybody of anything.

All I ask is for anybody who isn't as mentally lazy as you are, to keep an open mind and DO THE RESEARCH.

The information is out there, all you have to do is find it.

Jesus is God's only begotten Son full of the holy spirit, he called LIARS "FOOLS" Matthew 23:17
So i'm right calling a madman what he truly is.
It's you that needs to find out why the madman can't agree with his cohorts like you before telling trash!

Now you're saying different things from the side of your mouth.

First, are you "Jesus"?

Second, are you also "filled with the holy spirit"? - if yes, where is the proof?

Third, where did Brocab lie to you?

MaxInDHouse:
LIAR! Tell him Jesus never existed as you've been trying to convince others on this forum and stop hiding under another account so both of you can settle your differences before telling me the truth is vulgar.

Here we go again.

Why are you calling me a liar?

When have I lied to you?

Anybody can crosscheck your posts and mine on NL and they can decide who the actual liar is.

Unlike you who has 3 accounts on Nairaland , I only have this account.

About Jesus, I still stand by what I have said many times now - through the study of ancient history, it is quite clear that the allegorical story of Jesus in the Bible is not original but instead, a copy of similar God-in-man stories from older religions.

Till date, you still haven't shown me actual archeological proof that shows that Jesus actually existed.

If he's not a lunatic how can someone keeps talking about agreement with a person who is yet to get the sense of what he's saying?
He wants me to agree with his BORN AGAIN stuff yet none of his cohorts here are in union with him regarding his ideology.
Ọmọ that's not vulgar but fact!

Interesting.

Is this one of the fruits of the spirit you speak about?

Calling a human being like you a lunatic because they don't agree with you?

A simple apology would have gone a long way.

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you're a real lunatic because if you can't agree with your cohorts over this your stuff i don't know how you're going to convince any sane human to accept your delusional BORN AGAIN bruhaha!

Why so vulgar?

Why are you calling him a lunatic when he didnt insult you?

Can you not speak without raining insults??

OLAADEGBU:
You might be the only one using a dodgy device, take it for repairs or get another one.

Ouch.

Lol.

Maybe it's the browser I used.

Cheers.

Nelidee:


Oh now you are hoping that he becomes free from his organisation right? But you were arguing with me pages back not to talk about his organisation or point fingers at his organisation.

Now that you have had your civil discussion with him, you are now hoping that he can be free isn't it? You even went further to say you know he is not saved. How do you know he is not saved? I thought you said God has his people scattered in different denominations and we shouldn't point fingers?

Even when I told you that I grew up as a witness and I literally know EVERYTHING about them, including information rank and file witnesses like the one you were arguing with doesn't know, you still felt I should not point fingers.

So now let me ask you, have you been able to convince him of the truth found in the bible? Did he understand any of your explanation? How did the discussion go? Was it meaningful or was it a total waste of your time and energy?

Next time, when someone gives you advice based on experience learn how to listen, understand and accept that advice.

No Member of Jehovah's witness will listen to anything you say no matter how truthful your explanation is because....THEY GIVE EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION TO THEIR ORGANISATION rather than giving exclusive devotion to GOD AND HIS WORD THE BIBLE. Their organisation has blinded and brainwashed them to believe that THEY ARE THE ONLY ORGANISATION ON EARTH THAT GOD APPROVES. In other words if you are not a member, God will kill you. Think about that deeply!

The only way a Member of Jehovah's witnesses can understand real truth from Gods word is if he/she...

1. Leave the Organisation that continuously brainwashes them and feeds them lies.

2. Humble themselves to learn real truth in the bible

Like I said, God is pulling people out of that organisation that has turned them to brainwashed slaves, same way he pulled me out and since He did, I now have a deeper understanding of this scripture:

Mark 9:38-40


This scripture made me realise the lies of organisations, groups or denominations that if you are not one of their member or you do not accompany with them, Then God will kill you.

Truth doesn't cage a person. It sets the person free.

John 8:31-32

This is the truth and nothing but the truth.

HellVictorinho6:
Don't be offended

I just want to know if there's still hope for something

Sorry bro.

There is hope.

What I am expecting is yet to arrive.

I haven't forgotten you.

OLAADEGBU:
"Irenaeus and the Watchtower" Contrary to the Watchower claim, Irenaeus is just one of many ancient Christians whose writings testify that the earliest churches believed and taught the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. See more at: http://ow.ly/rfgp50Mbbu6

Please check your links.

It leads to a 404 error page.

Take note.

Janosky:
Roman soldiers protected Paul the apostle from a violent mob.
Gamaliel spoke out against the persecution of the disciples.
Oga, stop deceiving yourself and throwing tantrums.

You are the HYPOCRITE throwing tantrums to STOP a Catholic Priest from exercising his freedom of speech but you won't ever allow your freedom of speech be restricted.

Is that link owned by JWs?

Oga, carry your GIBBERISH outta here.

Hahahahaha

Why are you cherry picking?

You guys broke the law of the Norwegian Government as stipulated by their ministry of family affairs.

Or didn't you see that part?

You guys are DEFINITELY the HYPOCRITES here.

I still ask -

If you guys are the only true religion and the "whole world is in the control of Satan", why would you be fighting for free money from the same world?

How can money from Satan's World be so sweet that you guys can't do without it and you have to fight back by hiring "worldly" lawyers and depending on "Catholic Priests" to pressure Satan's World on your behalf?

Such disgusting HYPOCRISY.

HYPOCRISY -

Noun

The contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence in general sense, dissimulation, pretence, sham.

Janosky:
JWs are legally recognized in that Country even though the Grants was stopped, at least for now.


The only reason for that decision nah bad belle.

https://cne.news/artikel/2315-norwegian-christians-critical-of-governments-actions-against-jehovah-s-witnesses

Lol

You say the only reason for the decision na "bad belle"

What does that mean?

The link you shared clearly stated this -

The reason for the loss of registration is the shunning practice of the Jehovah's Witnesses. According to the Norwegian State Administrator, the exclusion practice is against the law.


"We believe the religious community violates the members' right to free expression. We believe this violates the members' right to freedom of religion.

We also believe that they violate children's rights by allowing the exclusion of baptised minors and encouraging members to socially isolate children who do not follow the religious community's rules."

It is also quite funny that the link you shared mentions that a Catholic Priest , is one of the people who are criticizing the Govt for stopping the free annual grant.

In that link you also shared, Selbekk who is the Editor in chief of the Dagen - a "Christian Daily" is also critiquing the Norwegian Govt for the stopping the free annual grant.

For a religion which claims to be only true religion, and which sees other religions as part of Babylon the Great, it is quite surprising to see you guys leaning on the support of a Catholic Priest and the editor of a "Christian Daily".

I thought you guys were "no part of the world"?

Because why would you be fighting so hard for free money from Satan's World?

Even to the extent of garnering support from a CATHOLIC PRIEST?

Does that not mean you and your organization are HYPOCRITES?

Janosky:
You are WAILING over the matter here.
The ball is rolling in your court.

Is it too much to ask?

Why did Norway stop the annual grant funding?

Janosky:
When JWs demand for their rights through the legal process werey people won't stop throwing tantrums and WAILING.

Nah them werey personal pocket the Norway collect grant give JWs?

But you guys lost the case in court.

No more free money for Watchtower in Norway plus you guys are no more recognized as a religious community in Norway.

I still ask, WHY.

Why did Norway stop giving you guys the free annual grant?

Why did Norway de register your organization?

Janosky:
"Make use of unrighteous riches,"said Jesus Christ.
The Bible principle- Jesus Christ used money to meet his needs. We,his followers following suit..

So please tell us, why did Norway stop you guys from getting their annual grant?