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zoer:
I want to ask you a question concerning the 3rd answer you gave.....My question is...can you tell me or quote a verse from the bible where it was written that a person is not a Christian if he/she is not JW member.?

The early Christians just like the Jews believed in Jehovah but not belong to an assembly or organization called Jehovah witness that started hundreds of years after Christ... Don't you think the Bible called them christians because they behaved n imitate Christ and not JW member?

Bravo!

You must be a critical thinker.

Your question is thought provoking.

MaxInDHouse:
Yeah shame on faithless people!

Just like wisdom, faith is also relative.

You have no right to call another man "faithless"

But I'm sure you know this already and you're simply grasping at straws.

🤐🤐🤐

Templee333:
the guy will lie again

As in ehn.

Too much falsehood for a single person.

It is quite a shame really.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't want to accept the evidence Jesus himself gave you now so there's no reason wasting time with you!

Lol

Such shame.

😁😁

So MaxInDHouse, how have I been disturbing you?

Why don't explain this for everyone to see?

MaxInDHouse have you forgotten when you said this?

MaxInDHouse:
I want you to acknowledge that only true Christians can prove that Jesus is real!
Others are CHURCHGOERS with nothing apart from credulous ideologies!

This was my reply to you -

oteneaaron:
Let's focus here then.

No need creating a new thread.

Since you are a "true Christian", kindly answer the three questions I asked above with proof.

Thank you.

What was your response?

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
I want this to be trashed on a new thread since it's not the topic we are discussing here.
If truthfully you want this challenge just open a new thread and let the topic be.

"Is Jesus real? Challenge for a Christian (MaxInDHouse)"

I want all critics of Jehovah's Witnesses to be ashamed today, ṣebí they're always coming to argue with us regarding Jesus Christ!

I tried to talk you out of creating a new thread -

oteneaaron:
Hahahaha

Does it really matter if it is on a new thread?

No matter where it is, people will find it.

But you insisted by saying -

MaxInDHouse:
You're not ready for this challenge, are you?

Which is what led to this thread - https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

In case you have forgotten Max.

On the 20th of February 2022, I created this thread - https://www.nairaland.com/6994962/witnesses-jehovah-documentary

As usual, you jumped on the thread to defend your CULT and I asked you these three questions -

oteneaaron:
That is why there is something called counter-research.

I have put it to you that it is a FACT that the life and story of Jesus in the Bible is not unique.

It is a cheap copy of the life and story of similar God-men from cultures thousands of years older than the Bible.

The best you can you do is show me proof from your extensive research that shows that -

1. Jesus really existed and is not a Mythical Figure,

2. Jesus really existed based on archeological findings, and

3. The teachings of Jesus is original and not copied from HORUS of ancient Egypt and many other Christ figures like Dionysus, Bacchus, Mythiras but to mention a few.

I guess we can start from there.

Show me your well researched proof, and I will show you mine.

Can we do that instead of going back and forth with the name calling?

What do you think?

And this was your reply -

MaxInDHouse:
I love this challenge but before we proceed i want you to rephrase your questions.

Please address your questions to all those claiming CHRISTIANS so that only those coming to speak for Jesus will be known as true believers in Christ.

“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 10:32-33


Or

Rephrase your questions and specifically say "this is a challenge for Christians"
Romans 10:9

Thanks in advance!

This was my counter reply -

oteneaaron:
Lol.

Why are you looking for external support?

Are you doing this research for anyone else?

For me to agree to a change in the terms of this challenge, we might have to create a new thread to address this square.

But I directed this challenge at YOU.

Come to think of it, why are you involving other "Christians"?

I thought you have always called them common church goers, and have on countless occasions insulted them for their belief in a trinity?

Why do you need their support in this instance?

I would like to understand why before agreeing to these new terms.

In case you have forgotten Max.

On the 20th of February 2022, I created this thread - https://www.nairaland.com/6994962/witnesses-jehovah-documentary

As usual, you jumped on the thread to defend your CULT and I asked you these three questions -

MaxInDHouse:
Right from the moment he admitted publicly that Jesus is just a myth, i flashed back to all his arguments and i realized that he's always arguing based on the general perspective of people around him.

He always avoid anything that could restrict him from moving along with the crowd.

So it's not about faith in God, Jesus or the Bible rather his goal is to become acquaintances of people in general no matter what they believe.

Right from yesterday i have decided to restrict my discussion with him to preaching about Jesus of Nazareth now that it's clear he doesn't view Jesus as a real historical figure but just as a myth!

That is why there is something called counter-research.

I have put it to you that it is a FACT that the life and story of Jesus in the Bible is not unique.

It is a cheap copy of the life and story of similar God-men from cultures thousands of years older than the Bible.

The best you can you do is show me proof from your extensive research that shows that -

1. Jesus really existed and is not a Mythical Figure,

2. Jesus really existed based on archeological findings, and

3. The teachings of Jesus is original and not copied from HORUS of ancient Egypt and many other Christ figures like Dionysus, Bacchus, Mythiras but to mention a few.

I guess we can start from there.

Show me your well researched proof, and I will show you mine.

Can we do that instead of going back and forth with the name calling?

What do you think?[/quote]This was your reply -

MaxInDHouse:
I love this challenge but before we proceed i want you to rephrase your questions.

Please address your questions to all those claiming CHRISTIANS so that only those coming to speak for Jesus will be known as true believers in Christ.

“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 10:32-33


Or

Rephrase your questions and specifically say "this is a challenge for Christians"
Romans 10:9

Thanks in advance!

This was my counter reply -

oteneaaron:
Lol.

Why are you looking for external support?

Are you doing this research for anyone else?

For me to agree to a change in the terms of this challenge, we might have to create a new thread to address this square.

But I directed this challenge at YOU.

Come to think of it, why are you involving other "Christians"?

I thought you have always called them common church goers, and have on countless occasions insulted them for their belief in a trinity?

Why do you need their support in this instance?

I would like to understand why before agreeing to these new terms.

MaxInDHouse:
Why add my name out of all those claiming they believe in Jesus on this forum?

You even have many supporters against JWs claiming they believe in Jesus.
So why must it be me who doesn't even want to chat with you?

Why don't you tell everyone here what led to the debate?

Did I force you to debate with me?

Did I beg you to debate with me?

Didn't you say you agreed to the debate to "humiliate" me?

MaxInDHouse:
He doesn't know what a challenge really means!

He first made this move but i ignored him since i noticed he doesn't believe in God, i knew it's going to be a time wasting.

But since he raised the issue here again and his so called friends are scared to stand up for their faith i decided to humiliate him along with his friends by demanding we do so on a fresh thread.

Today he could see for himself that it's all about things he believes against what i believe and not a research at all because he's just telling stories of what he chose to believe against the Bible nothing more!

MaxInDHouse:
You just want me to expose your foolishness shey?

OK if you believe that WISDOM is relative then why have you been disturbing me over belief in Jesus?

You're claiming that wisdom is relative but at the same time you've been disturbing me to enter an argument with you over the historicity of Jesus Christ.

https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

Why not just let things be after all you yourself said WISDOM is relative!

MaxInDHouse, kindly explain to everyone reading this thread how I have been disturbing you to enter an argument with me about the historicity of Jesus.

What led to the debate we had exactly one year ago on this thread? - https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

I am waiting for you explain how I have been "disturbing you".

MaxInDHouse:
OK calling you a dullard means raining insults shey?

Well that's your personal opinion but it's either you're wise or foolish no sitting on the fence!

Just look at the result of all your "Wisdom".

I still repeat: Wisdom is relative.

Also, I forgive you for the insults - I know you can't do any better than this.

Dullard

Noun

1. A slow or stupid person.

2. A stupid person; a fool.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÓDO!

This is the definition of WISDOM:

©The discretionary use of knowledge for the greatest good.

©The ability to apply relevant knowledge in an insightful way, especially to different situations from that in which the knowledge was gained.

©The ability to make a decision based on the combination of knowledge, experience, and intuitive understanding.

Therefore WISDOM is the practical application of useful information which results in lasting benefits.
So it's not relative it's either you're wise or foolish!

You see your life?

With all your "wisdom", you can never hold a conversation without raining insults on the other party.

I still repeat: Wisdom is relative.

If you have no idea what that means, then you might have to go back to school.

MaxInDHouse:
Shame on you and all your friends claiming CHRISTIANS as you can't answer the question.

For your information there is no way you can be wise if you're not a believer in Christ Jesus because he is the most wonderful counselor of all time {Isaiah 9:6} so a disciple of Christ even though 10 years of age is a million times wiser than you and your cohorts who disbelieve the Christ!

Hahahahahaha

Shame on you too for trying so hard to force words out of my mouth.

You failed woefully.

I still repeat: Wisdom is relative.

You can take it to the bank and deposit it.

MaxInDHouse:
OK i'll rephrase it.

Do you think any group claiming Christians are making any sense to you?

"Any group" is no group at all.

I still repeat - wisdom is relative.

Moreover like your previous question, this isn't a Yes or No question.

MaxInDHouse:
You stylishly dodge the question just to cover with another thing entirely.

The question again:

Whatever they concluded before gathering, preaching and worshiping in Jesus name are Jesus' believers wise?

Of course as a JW 1919 has made us wise but you have to answer the question before we digress!

I didn't dodge the question because it is not a Yes or No question.

It is rhetorical and that is why I told you that wisdom is relative.

Moreover, the Jesus you believe in is quite different from the Jesus other Christians believe in.

And since you have agreed that your belief in the Angel Micheal Jesus who came back to earth invisibly in 1919 makes you wise, I have no right to argue.

Why?

I repeat once again: Wisdom is relative.

MaxInDHouse:
Are Jesus' believers wise?

Lol

What a rhetorical question.

Wisdom like many other things, is relative.

For example - As a Jehovah's Witness, you believe that your Jesus is Angel Micheal who came back to earth invisibly in 1919 - does that make you wise?

MaxInDHouse:
Note that oteneaaron doesn't even believe Jesus is real, in fact according to him anyone claiming faith in Jesus is a fool and sparrow claims he's a pentecostal yet at the mention of "JWs" they quickly become friends! Luke 23:12

MaxInDHouse can you show the evidence of where I have called people who believe in Jesus "Fools"?

For everyone reading this, I have done my own in-depth research into the ancient history of religion, and I still haven't seen any tangible archeological proof that shows Jesus really existed.

Instead, my research points more to the fact that the story of Jesus is only a myth that teaches the allegorical concept that there is a spark of divinity in every man and woman.

For better context, Max and I had a debate around this subject and he couldn't show me any proof either.

Here is a link to the debate - https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

zoer:
All those exJWs is there anything good about the organization?...if yes can you guys please tell us?....and if no please tell us the negative things about them.

If the foundation of a building is faulty, no matter how beautiful the house looks, it will most definitely fall.

From the outside, the Jehovah's Witness Organization looks all sweet, holy and blameless.

But a little research into their true origins and over 140 years of history tells a completely different story.

How can "the only true religion" be exposed for teaching lies?

Is that not an abberation?

zoer:
Is it that when somebody leaves the assembly he will be a castaway and ridiculed and called names? Or if still in the assemble he will be ridiculed and called names too?

Oh yes.

If you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, you will be called -

- An Apostate

- A Child of the Devil or Satan

- Faithless Miscreant, etc.

MightySparrow:
You see am so?
If you are different from their dogma you are an apostate.

They sit in the seat of a judge.

Lol.

Noun

apostate (plural apostates)

A person who has renounced a religion or faith.

Going by the definition above, Jehovah's Witnesses are also apostates of their former religion or faith.

They had to first renounce their former religion or faith before becoming members of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So whatever you want Max to accept from you:

https://www.nairaland.com/7464041/pagan-christ-book-review

First convince your friends here before coming to Max?

Interesting.

Thank you for reminding me about updating the thread you mentioned above.

Sonmvayina, I think we should resume our book review - what do you think?

MaxInDHouse:
Let's enter it together nah and see who will be the first to throw insults, have you forgotten it's Max? I will drill your brains intelligently until you start crying foul! foul!! foul!!!

I no be your mate!

Lol.

I know your modus operandi.

You don't have to remind me.

MightySparrow:
Hahaha
Before I took a break we were having a debate in which you backed out.

Lol

That is his Modus Operandi.

Worse case, he would start raining insults on you.

HellVictorinho7:
They include my dad and my older brother. I have to inform LordReed,dollytino4real, TheSourcerer,brain54,slawomirr,ken4christ and oteneaaron at least.

Hey bro.

What's happening?

I hope you're OK.

TenQ:
I perfectly agree with you.

Have a beautifully productive day in Jesus name

Thanks a lot man.

Have a great day too.

MaxInDHouse:
Hen try to AGREE with your brother nah!

Apart from criticizing God's organization do you agree with him that he's not a PAGAN?

"God" is just a title - be specific on which "God" you speak about.

Yes, I am criticizing the organization of Jehovah Witnesses - an organization that is guiltly of spread false prophecies.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses -

1. Armageddon will happen 1914 - a failed prophecy

2. Abraham, Jacob and other patriarch will come back to life in 1925 - it never happened

3. Armageddon will happen 1975 - a failed prophecy.

I can go on and on.

Also, why are you calling him a Pagan?

Kindly explain.

TenQ:
Thanks bro!

It is true that satan blinds his own so that even though they read, their hearts remain seared as with hot iron.

As we share the truth of God's word, we pray for grace also for them that they will receive freedom from their handcuffs!

Thanks bro.

That is what religious indoctrination does to the mind.

Only independent critical thinking will help him and his cohorts.

MaxInDHouse:
May JEHOVAH be praised!

This is what i've been telling you, if with all this argument you can't present a group with which you agree on terms and conditions of worship just as Jesus foretold then you're simply deceiving yourself. Luke 11:23

This is what your Bro typed about those putting faith in Christ Jesus:



So preach to him first, convince him that Jesus is Lord before coming to argue with God's united family over what we believe as One! John 17:2

Hahahahaha

Are you surprised he called me his brother?

Unlike you who had said many times that the rest of humanity are only "neighbors" to you, he understands the single truth that - we are all one - no matter your religion or belief system - we are all brothers and sisters with one common ancestor.

See how religious indoctrination has turned you into a fanatic.

Wow

This thread has come a long way.

Sagenaija and TenQ, I would like to congratulate both of you for keeping to the conversation, even in the face of consistent beating around the bush and name-calling by the opposing parties.

It quite interesting how many of the core doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses fall short when explored through the lens of contextual examination.

Noun

context

1. The surroundings, circumstances, environment, background or settings that determine, specify, or clarify the meaning of an event or other occurrence.

2. (linguistics) The text in which a word or passage appears and which helps ascertain its meaning.

3. (archaeology) The surroundings and environment in which an artifact is found and which may provide important clues about the artifact's function and/or cultural meaning.

4. (mycology) The trama or flesh of a mushroom.

5. (logic) For a formula: a finite set of variables, which set contains all the free variables in the given formula

Now, a further deep dive into the website of the Norwegian Gambling Authority shows that every year, the pay a specific amount as Grant to all religious organizations in the country.

It is done under what they call the "Grant Scheme"

There are three grant schemes -

The Norwegian Gambling and Foundation Authority administers several major grant schemes.

1. VAT compensation for non-profit organisations

2. VAT compensation for sports facilities
Profit from Norsk Tipping for socially beneficial and humanitarian organisations

For more info - https://lottstift.no/en/our-grant-schemes/

Stay with me.

First, what is the function of the Norwegian Gambling Authority?

From their official website, it states this -

The Norwegian Gambling Authority supervise and control all private and state operated lotteries in Norway. We also supervise and control gambling and horse racing.

Norwegian foundations are submitted to supervision and control by The Foundation Authority. The basic element in this work is to secure that the foundations are loyal to their purposes.

The Norwegian Gambling and Foundation Authority administers several major grant schemes for the voluntary sector .

So it is quite clear that the Norwegian Gambling Authority basically controls all kinds of gambling organizations in their country.

It is almost like what we have here in Nigeria where the Nigerian Lottery Regulation Commission controls every aspect of gambling in the country.

Stay with me.