plaindealer:


Ode. We never move away from the ugly pictures of your village to your wife's picture so put that back inside ya cherished collection for now......

How bout this your brother here?.

agbameta: See drama, excuses and hypocrisy all over the place.


You people love to post similar pictures about other places epecially Lagos without making any excuses about good or bad places, now that den blow ya yansh open for daylight, na silly excuses about good places and to blame the messenger remain.

Funny enough, this is a clear representation of your villages

You people no dey disappoint...lmao

But you will not see this type of Yoruba woman in Aba

See the bariatric poster here. A pig is worse than this

onuwaje:
I'll advice u to stop using the term 'delta ibo' cos it doesn't go well with dem.. Seems u don't live in delta.. If ur using d term 'delta ibo' den how will u classify the ikwerre,etche,ndoni people of rivers state?? Will u call 'em 'rivers ibo'?

Nonsensical and irrelevant

onuwaje: well pls take note: even tho am not from d so called 'delta ibo'... These peeps don't like to be addressed that way

Stop chatting crap from your keyboard idiott. Why would the Igbo in Delta not want to be called Delta Igbo. Is it because you have read where a very few confused souls said they are not Igbo.
So what do they want to be called?. You mean an Akwukwu Igbo man should be called Akwukwu and not Igbo or Delta Igbo because he is in Delta state?.
Get a life fool.

Pharoh: I think people are mistaking the need to have a separate identity to mean that hostility will be in place and the concept of brotherhood or cooperation will be lost. Even with the igbo identity and brotherhood in the southeast, you still see IMO versus Anambra fighting here on nairaland. Aba state deport and sacking non indigenes, enugu and anamabra fighting to be the pride of the east and so forth, so what then is the benefit of this so called brotherhood or igbo identity?. You cannot force a dysfunctional identity or brotherhood on people who think they can do better by deciding their own future based on freewill.



You will notice that most of them have stopped posting on this thread while they keep on repeatedly viewing the thread and hoping that you will suddenly accept the igbo identity after your ongoing discussion.

You must be joking by thinking anyone cares if he accepts Igbo identity. He is not Igbo accepted but my annoyance is about his labelling Aboh as non Igbo. It is a slap on Abohs who see themselves as Igbo. It doesnt matter to me if someone from Okigwe says he is not Igbo but he must not be insane to claim that Okigwe is not IGBO. So let him stop the insanity.

clefstone: Oturugo the Igbo man, the good relationship between Abohs nd Igbos should be based on the truth not on sentiments. Its actually in the best interest of u Igbos tht the truth be exposed. BTW, d last place i read someone addressin humans as pigs is the Quran and here we r 1400yrs later and u Oturugo, an Igbo man doing d same. Quit livin in d dark ages

Ok you hate pig, I will call you monkey instead untill you stop your imbecility.
You are yet to define Igbo yet you call me Igbo. I like that and a proud one, but you have failed to convince any one that Abohs are not Igbo like me regardless of the partition caused by the Niger river.
What other truth do you want readers here to accept?, that since the end of Biafran war, those who live in the east of the great river are only called Igbos. Monkey, seek a doctor for your cure. You are sick.

clefstone: Its understandable that u wud be blind to all i said in tht same post b4 d war part. I know y, its the war again and u, Oturugbo are IGBO

Piggy, you are fighting so hard to disrupt the good relationship of Aboh people and their fellow Igbo brothers. Through a proud Aboh nairalander,some eastern Igbos have learnt Aboh dialect and some Abohs have leart other Igbo dialects. Being Igbo doesn't make one loose anything in modern day Nigeria. Rather it promotes unity and love.
But pigs like you are only interested in division and confusion. Get a life pig.

clefstone: thanks, esp for the first sentence above. I hv been tempted to use that same line for that Igbo man but i've bin restraining myself. And i askd myself, y is he so sensitive, i realised d answer but yet again restrained myself until Wesley, a supposed Aboh man cowed. I was forced to speak out and blame the rush of blood to his head on the war, yes its the war my broda, its effect defines them today. Oturugo is IGBO

Yes ofcourse OTURUGO is Igbo. I have no identity crisis.
Only a no brainer will use the war of 1967 to define any ethnic group.
You are a loser just give up because the more you type crap with your teeth the more confused you get. QUIT NOW.

clefstone: I hv answered the questn but it seem obvious you can't read between lines.

Wes80 asked you to define Igboness for him and you ignorantly used the Biafran war to define Igboness. Na wa for you ooh.
Grow some brains biko.

clefstone: And a question for my broda, Mr Wesley, assuming an Aboh man becomes president tomorrow, do u think tht the Igbos will see him as an true Igbo president? note tht GEJ's name is Ebele nd more recently Azikiwe, does tht make him an Igbo president? I am a realist to the core and wud neva be heard supporting a union based on psychophancy, one tht wud definitely end in betrayal.

YOU ARE POSING AN IDIOTIC QUESTION TO HIM. GEJ is an Ijaw man and Ijaws have never been classified as Igbo neither do they speak Igbo. Ebele in Jonathan's name came about as a result of his Enugu birth place. A friend of mine is called Tunde because he was born in Lagos yet he is Igbo. His Azikiwe name is just like in the U.S where people name their kids after Lincoln.
Answer his question and stop hiding under so much crap.

Pharoh:

This is one of the reasons we do not want to be yoked with you, instead of you to discuss like an adult in relation to what you have above. Rejecting the anioma, ukwuani or ndokwa identity is not the issue for us because at the end of the day the binding force is not really about the above classification but part of my earlier write up. You did not get it the same way you still cannot understand why we are moving away from the igbo identity.

Dont be silly boy, who cares if you move away from Igbo identity?. Does it affect me in anyway?. You are the one it affects because you are not sure if you are ukwuani, abor or Igbo. You are the one suffering from this crisis.

wesley80: As an Aboh man, I had little choice but to suspend my self imposed Nairaland exile on sighting this thread. Its been a while and I hope you guys can forgive me for not reading the entire thread before posting (maybe I'll do so in a little while). I've noticed loads of falsities in this thread and maybe we'll go into them later.
To the OP, I say; I've fought this battle a dozen times and I tell you, it is ultimately pointless! Aboh's Bini ties and heritage can only be denied but so also is Aboh's 'Igboness'. It is simply too late to be anything else and we've got to learn to live with it. I understand where you're coming from but it would also do you a whole of good to take a look at the full picture. BTW, i'm interested in your definition of an "Igbo"

CLEFSTONE, answer this question and stop running round in circles.

Pharoh:

Very good reply as you pointed to one of the reasons some Aniomas do not want to be in the same union with them. The basis of being in a union goes beyond speaking a related language or having similarities in culture. Canada and USA both speak the English language but they did not form the same country, they can only tilt towards a form of union based on concrete things that goes beyond language. People should take a look at other unions in the world to see what really lies at the foundation but the people of south eastern region just do not want to understand these important issues.

There are other things like ideology, aspirations, common self determination goal, development focus, basis of identity and value system, etc that are important in forming a union or identifying yourself with other groups of people in a common name. To them it is because the civil war was lost, need to be on the defeating side and means of integrating into the new Nigeria ( post civil war) that was biased towards the eastern region and Igbo people in general. Please wake up, it might look that way to you but when you come down of your high horse to ask the core reasons the Aniomas wants to be alone then you will get the concrete answers.

Let me stop here by asking again that, leaving politics aside ( You guys are not even competent self ) please can you guys tell us the basis in which Aniomas should be in the same union with you guys or the basis that will make the union work as one effective unit?. Why is it compulsory to be under the igbo identity and not Anioma identity?, Norwegians and danish people speak almost the same language but have their own different countries with excellent cooperation under the Nordic union. The same can be for Anioma and Biafra so that they can both develop in a union made up of different units instead of forming one big identity that will be difficult to move forward.

N:B You can replace aboh with anioma in my write up

what a load of rubbish above. How can an Aboh trade be replaced by Anioma. You guys are the problem as some of you have rejected Igbo identity, Anioma identity while some from Aboh have also rejected ukwuani identity. Wesle80 have asked you and your friend a question and you have not defined that igboness to him.

whyteone:

Great piece bigfrancis21.This is what this thread should be-a platform for intellectual discourse.I enjoin the rest of nairalanders to put a stop to the mudslinging,brickbat throwing and cursing.I expect a counter arguement from another intellectual.

And you are?.
Anyway, where is your own contribution.

1 shortblackboy: wat I see on nairaland are threads trying to label other groups as ibo and not groups tryin to prove they're not ibo ... Ps Where do u live its not about being half ikwerre

Monkey, its Igbo and not Ibo.
There are no threads labelling Efik, ibibio, annang, ogoni, isoko, ejagbam etc as Igbo. The groups they refer as Igbo are righthly Igbo especially in northern Rivers state.
I hope this settles in your empty skull, idiott.

agbotaen: you are an igbo pig without history and i bet you cant even talk about your ancestors , i am a pure ika man , and i am proud of being that , and majority of ika have rejected being igbo , so go to hell ,and may ojuwu the devil push you to a place where there is no ukpe in the pit of hell , ika for life

Pig shiit-eater, go and cover yourself in shame as you have nothing to offer. It is either copy and paste or repeating your self 10 times. First class Pig, you are the worst thing to happen to this thread. Go and jump inside a gutter, Rectum lover, anusx dweller.

agbotaen: 1. it is your ancestors that are pigs , you are an ozuor - fool, an ilolo- a cattle and an obolo, - a crazy person, when my ancestor igbedigin was building a great kingdom in owa in 13th century , your fore fathers were still in the bush , living an un-organised life, you son of an igbon -slave,
2. i think you have still not gotten over the shock our elders gave to your land grabbing people in 1967 , and till date have you seen any credible ika leader join your igbo ethnic organisations?
3. if you think you can insult, i will give you double double , you royaless clan ,i bet you dont even know what it is to be blue blooded, my family left a history that is over 700 years old , so what have your ancestors done ?
4. i am very proud of my ika hood, i know my history because apart from reading , our ihogbe or akanwes -scribe always tell us our history and we pass it from father to son ,

Once again shut up your stinking mouth. Why didnt you repeat your copy and paste this time?. Shameless pig.

agbotaen: 1. history can be gotten by different people , and the binis certainly have their version , the ikas have theres and the british have theres, for example , when the oba of benin visited owa kingdom in 1990 , the obi of owa addressed the oba from owa royal records oral history , which states that owa and benin had ,had a long relationship, and the benin king that ruled around the early 13th century was facing a rebellion caused by edionehan , or the agbagwala war as we call it in ika , the oba sent for ijue the king of ute okpu , and he sent his eldest son called edogun or odogun to fight in the war and odogun was confered with the title of general , and along with others the oba defeated the enemies and later when odogun migrated into owa-oyibu and met people whom he later subdued ,and he later enlarged his area to include other owa towns , the oba later supported him to become the obi , when he had a dispute with the owa-ofien people, and the obi also told the oba that owa royal records , showed that when oba esigie wanted to go to war against the idah people , he also sent people to owa to ask for the assistance of owa warriors , and the obi ruling then seems to be orghogbua ,the obi of owa, and the oba did not refute this stories , and i am sure this was never recorded in any book on benin history ,
2. before the fall of benin empire in the hands of the british , the agbor kingdom has already succeeded in taking over the trade and royalties that benin collects from the river niger area , and that was why oba overanwen sent 10,0000 soldiers to ologbo and obadan inorder to invade agbor , he sent so many soldiers because agbor was a very strong kingdom , and they had many great warriors , also do not forget that even in benin history , the war that was said to have taken place between agbor and benin around 16th or 17th century in which benin historians said bini won , was also said to be the greatest ressistance that the benin ever had and it is still recounted till today .
3. nyandel existed according to agbor oral history and he wrote down many things , whether write or wrong and he is a european , so he does not need to be hundred percent accurate , and the ancient agbor was larger than what we have today as many areas in present day edo state and some areas of delta north was part of agbor kingdom , up to igbudu akan.
nyandel did not say that agbor was founded in 17th century , he only recorded that AT THAT TIME MANY FAMILIES HAD A LARGE EXODUS FROM BENIN AND SETTLED IN AGBOR AND OBIOR, agbor is many thousand years old .
4. as for the man who said agbor or ika is igbo , i think you are just fooling your self , as ika people have spoken in 1930 and also in 1967 , when they rejected the igbo theory ,that is that , majority of ika people dont want any thing to do with igbo , all they want is ika.
5. as for the likes of ogbuefi and some ekwuoma people saying they are igbos , that is good for them as they are at extreme igbo cultural area and most of their ancestors migrated from igbo land , but there are still many igbodo people whose ancestors also migrated from benin , and the unfortunate thing is that they belong to ika nation , where majority believe they are ika and so their voice cannot be heard , ika people only attend ogua/onu ika and not ohaneze ndigbo ,so let them keep aggitating , may be we will ceed them to igbos , but majority of their town people told their obi that an igbo woman cannot give them the heir to the igbodo throne , so food for thought for igbo people .
5. i dont know why the word benin use to make igbo people go gaga,? but for you information , ika nation is different from bini nation , and igbo nation , or any other nation, ika is ika

Piggy, you have pasted this crap before. Don't you get bored of posting articles repeatedly?. Get a life you pig.

Spiff20: wateva, but we ar nt igbo's nd dat's finally. Abt gettin a life i tink u shud do dat:get a life nd stop poking ur nose wia u shudn't. Dickhead!!!

Pig, you are not Igbo but do not make it seem as if the entire Rivers state are like you.
Not everyone in Rivers state is Igbo but dont make it seem as If there are no Igbo in Rivers. Once again, get a real life stinking pig.

Spiff20: D igbo's wana form familiarity with us cos of our rich oil wells abi? Una go thief! We broke awt frm d igbo's afta d civil war so we ar no longa in ya f**king tribe. Beta b satisfied wit ur 5 states nd leave us alone cos we'll neva accept dat illusion not nw, nt in future either.

Pig. this is not about the entire Rivers state but about the Igbo part of Rivers state. Why do you fools hate hearing about the Igbo in Rivers state. Get a life piggy.

clefstone: How and why does language change? There are many different routes to language change. Changes can take originate in language learning, or through language contact, social differentiation, and natural processes in usage. Language learning: Language is transformed as it is transmitted from one generation to the next. Each individual must re-create a grammar and lexicon based on input received from parents, older siblings and other members of the speech community. The experience of each individual is different, and the process of linguistic replication is imperfect, so that the result is variable across individuals. However, a bias in the learning process -- for instance, towards regularization -- will cause systematic drift, generation by generation. In addition, random differences may spread and become 'fixed', especially in small populations. Language contact: Migration, conquest and trade bring speakers of one language into contact with speakers of another language. Some individuals will become fully bilingual as children, while others learn a second language more or less well as adults. In such contact situations, languages often borrow words, sounds, constructions and so on. Social differentiation. Social groups adopt distinctive norms of dress, adornment, gesture and so forth; language is part of the package. Linguistic distinctiveness can be achieved through vocabulary (slang or jargon), pronunciation (usually via exaggeration of some variants already available in the environment), morphological processes, syntactic constructions, and so on. Natural processes in usage. Rapid or casual speech naturally produces processes such as assimilation, dissimilation, syncope and apocope. Through repetition, particular cases may become conventionalized, and therefore produced even in slower or more careful speech. Word meaning change in a similar way, through conventionalization of processes like metaphor and metonymy.

This your long sermon is getting boring each day.
You are not Igbo admitted but leave Igbo matter for Ndigbo, fool.

Abagworo:

There's a difference between igbo and Igbo. When we say Igbo bu Igbo mma mma nu! It is meant for any Igbo that accepts being Igbo. If you scroll up and down this culture section you'll notice how active I've been in the Delta Igbo and Aboh thread. My interest there is in correcting some wrong notions and falsehood and not forcefully making them to come into the Igbo fold. The civil war has redefined Igbo for our good and this Igbo only includes Aniocha and Oshimili in Delta, the entire Southeast and Oyigbo plus Egbema in Rivers. The rest of the "Igbos" in Rivers and Delta are having inferiority complex and identity crisis and hence are not "Igbo bu Igbo". They are fighting to attain minority status and recognition and that is why they open threads to disclaim any affiliation with Igbo.

My mother is from Ikwerre in Rivers and Ikwerre is the largest ethnic group. They don't really need Etche and Ndoni etc to survive. Ndoni and Ogba are blessed with abundant petroleum resources and hence do not need anyone to share it with while Etche holds the title of the most sidelined. They speak purest Igbo and hence have a more difficult task to convince others to accept them as fellow minority.

Ekpeye people are not Igbos. The language they speak is not mutually intelligible with Igbo language even though many words are shared. They can be called cousin or brother but are clearly distinct.

How about the proud Igbo amongst them e.g the Nwuches, The Ella's, the Obi Wali's etc. Should we now say those from Ndoni, Ogba, Ikwerre and Ekpeye are not Igbo?.
Take it from me, those who deny Igbo are the most vocal. Those who are proud Igbo are not interested in proving to people that they are Igbo. Having said that, I agree with you about the identity crisis in those places apart from Oshimiri/Aniocha, Obigbo and Egbema axis. I believe that Omuma people are proud Igbo.

pazienza:


Unlike agbotaen and his side kick sony4all in the delta igbo thread, i have this feeling that clef actually came here to learn more about his identity.

Why is it that those very few ones who deny Igbo are so noisy about it?. They are in the minority yet so loud about not being Igbo.

Abagworo:

Only Egbema and Oyigbo are the Igbos in Rivers State.

Add Omuma and probably Etche to it.
But on a serious note, Ikwerre, Ogba, Ndoni and Ekpeye are Igbos no matter how hard some of they fight to disclaim Igbo.

mascot87: Retardeen Orji Uzo Kalu and his fellow idiots will not have anything to say about this but would be ranting like a goat when it comes to Fashola.The community people has also reported to d government but nothing has been done about it,Fools

Monkey, shut up.
Fashola is educated and is civilised. How on earth can you use his actions to compare with herds men. You must be a fool to do so.

Pharoh:

You should blame ifejuana, the igbo guy who handed power to ironsi and ironsi for the plight that led to the biafra crisis. Ademoyega also participated in the coup but no one touched the yoruba people because they suffered causalities and it was the lack of causalities in the east that led to the term igbo coup.

Dont go there as you know no history. Ifeajuna did not hand over power to Ironsi. He lost the mission in the south and that led to the emergence of Ironsi.
Stop the crap .