European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:31am On Jan 18 |
afrodoc2: But then you have to question the wisdom of the top guys who went for a strict 3-4-3 coach in the first place.
Fingers have been pointing at Berrada as the person who pushed for Amorim. Ashworth didn't want him because of the formation issue but that one wanted Southgate. Wilcox also didn't want Amorim because of the formation issue.
I think Amorim's sack is linked to Wilcox finally getting control over football matters above Berrada.
The formation is only part of the problem though. All our struggles pre-Amorim came in a back 4 formation. Wilcox and Vivell have to work hard at improving the squad and appointing a quality head coach. Amorim has shown he is a terrible manager with the poor job he did at Leverkusen...One think I noted yesterday was the fact that Bruno was not all over the place like was the case in Erik Bin Laden's era, he was posionally disciplined, and it help us contain City in the middle of the park...Pep had to sub Foden after the first half for Cherki who was also subdued. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:27am On Jan 18 |
CrystalTiger: Good football for the most part is very simple to the eyes.. Allow players do what they're good at and not these unnecessary tactical nonsense..
Every player on the pitch yesterday was for the most part in his comfort zone which helped them defend together and attack together.. As simple as ABC. Play to the strength of your PLAYERS, and do not overcomplicate things. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:17am On Jan 18 |
afrodoc2: Of all the sins of Amorim his cardinal sin was playing his 3-4-3 which requires a 2-man midfield when NONE of our midfielders is suited to 2-man midfield. That was what made his set up dysfunctional and that was what led to our defence being under so much pressure.
Asking 2 men who can't do the job of 2 men to do the job of 3 men. Exactly. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:13am On Jan 18 |
Now the dust has settled, let me drop my take on the performance yesterday.
1. The players were only 30% of the problem, the bulk of it was the dysfunctional setup deployed by Amorim. In a 4-3-3 formation, there are a lot of bodies in the middle, so it is difficult for the opposition to play through the middle. Yesterday, with Bruno (He surprisingly stuck to his position), Mainoo and Casemiro, we had control in the midfield and enough bodies to stop City from attacking us through the middle. This alone meant that the defence was not left exposed as was the case with Amorim's 3-4-2-1 (3-4-3) formation. In Amorim's setup, the 3 CBs were left exposed for the most part, which is suicidal at this level, but in the 4-3-3 setup, we were more proactive than reactive; we stopped a lot of attacks before they got to our box.
2. Bruno, as the most advanced of our midfielders, ensured that the ball kept moving with quick passes and constant movement. He showed us what we have been missing by playing him in a 2-man midfield.
3. We need a LWF. I admit Dorgu had an above-average game, but we need more at this level. Amad on the right ensured Ake and, later on, O'Riley were on their toes for the entirety of the game with his direct runs and dribbles. When Cunha came on, he looked even more effective playing from the right even though he might prefer playing from the left. If Cunha were on the left, he would look to cut in and shoot rather than drive to the byline and cross. I hope we can get a LWF forward in the summer.
4. Casemiro is irreplaceable at the moment. Age might have caught up with the combative Brazilian, but his experience and passing are indispensable. For someone renowned for his tackling, Casemiro's ability to play a one-time pass is often not talked about as much as it should. He is a calming presence in our midfield, one that we must replace with a player of similar attributes come the summer.
5. Mainoo is not as bad as we thought he had become. I thought he complemented Casemiro very well yesterday with some very good movement and short passing. If Carrick can get the best out of Mainoo, it will do the club a lot of good...
I don't want to talk about Martinez and his ball-playing abilities, as I think it's already common knowledge.
In the whole, we looked much better in a 4-3-3 setup, which seems like the formation that's best suited for the majority of players in our setup. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:41am On Jan 18 |
eph12: The return of Maguire and Martinez has helped a lot. We used to have Yoro and Heaven as our CBs. No, we used to have a dysfunctional setup. How many times did Maguire and Martinez face the kind of pressure we used to face under Amorim's setup? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by patrickmuf(m): 7:13pm On Jan 17 |
Moses Simon scores... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by patrickmuf(m): 7:11pm On Jan 17 |
Marmoush misses. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by patrickmuf(m): 7:10pm On Jan 17 |
Akor scores. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by patrickmuf(m): 7:10pm On Jan 17 |
Salah miss. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by patrickmuf(m): 4:26pm On Jan 17 |
You guys are now 3 pts behind us. It will stay this way if you guys manage to steal a point this evening. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 4:22pm On Jan 17 |
afrodoc2: Na marathon. Every point they lose will count at the end of the season. I would rather have them 4 points behind than 1 point behind. Doc, you really believed what I said? 😂 |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 4:06pm On Jan 17 |
Englishisamust: ;Initial gra gra!!! I no even dey surprised with the win because even when we no dey in form we dey spank city You never begin hala...When we BEAT Arsenal, you can deactivate... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 4:05pm On Jan 17 |
Even if Chelsea win 10 vs 0, e no concern me...They will remain behind us... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 4:03pm On Jan 17 |
eph12: Who is City buying next?
Meanwhile assnal is the biggest winner in this Manchester United win Next week, we will beat Arsenal, so City can reduce the gap back to 6 pts... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 4:01pm On Jan 17 |
main24: We will revisit this quote after 10 to 20 games from Carrick. I might be wrong and he will be the messiah we've been waiting for. But it's too early too judge. - Infact I am indeed worried he started with a win. I might be wrong, time will tell. Baba we just beat our city rivals, allow people to celebrate na! Suffer no dey tire you? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:39pm On Jan 17 |
At least person go rest. After the game against Brighton e be like say we no get any quality player at all... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:23pm On Jan 17 |
Jamiuokolaa: We really needed to see the team vs low block opposition
Pep made this game easy for us tbh
He played into carrick's hands  But we didn't just sit back. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:22pm On Jan 17 |
Pep want cry...😂 😂 😂 |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:20pm On Jan 17 |
I need Arsenal next... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:12pm On Jan 17 |
Englishisamust:
All this initial gra gra no Dey freak me, no be Man U wey we know, You want Amorim back? Talk fast make I know whether to ban your account or not. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:05pm On Jan 17 |
This is the interim manager we asked you guys to wait for...
Amorim should be arrested by Interpol. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:04pm On Jan 17 |
Dorgu... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:04pm On Jan 17 |
If you like play 5 CBs, if your midfield is open, you'll concede tons of goals. See how difficult it is for City to play through the middle. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:01pm On Jan 17 |
Amorim should not be allowed anywhere close to Manchester again...That guy is a fraud. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 3:00pm On Jan 17 |
See how good we look in a 3 man midfield...Amorim, you are mad... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:58pm On Jan 17 |
Just play to the payer's strength, that's all we asked of Ruben Bin Laden Amorim...
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:54pm On Jan 17 |
Amorim did us dirty with his useless 3-4-3... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:53pm On Jan 17 |
If Amorim was here with his useless 3-4-3, we would be defending...
Mbeumo, thank you. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:52pm On Jan 17 |
See the Mainoo wey Man Utd fans begin doubt... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:47pm On Jan 17 |
Just strike the ball, must you chip it? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:46pm On Jan 17 |
Casemiro why? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 2:38pm On Jan 17 |
Funny enough, there's a lot of space to attack, Cunha will do well in this game but make him chop bench small...😂 |