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randomperson:
YY, that's why ancelloti is getting sacked halfway into the season...Even Heyneckes didn't win the bundesliga thrice in a row

He was sacked not because he didn't win the league but because he lost the dressing room. He won the league last season and would have won it again. Even you with your funny analysis will coach Bayern to win that league...

randomperson:
The Madrid dross that has won 3 ucl in four years as compared to Milan that was playing second fiddle to inter Milan.... Hope this is not how u choose your girlfriends

This Madrid team will struggle to make the UCL semis back then.

randomperson:
What are you saying like this... If it's a local league, why didn't Milan dominate for years. At least it should be easier to win a local league...

Story...

randomperson:
Pep holds the consecutive record win in the three leagues he has coached, he has won the league three times consecutively on two different occasions... Let Mourinho first last three years in a club before you compare

Record wins is trash, it doesn't count for anything except for those who have a thing for the Guinness book of records...League trophies in the Bundesliga with Bayern is akin to winning the Scottish leagie with Celtic.

joeace2020:
Only a fool will try to twist this. I will pick this Ac Milan team any day anytime over this Madrid dross who have been so lucky.

The guy is just tiring, he has now ran to league titles to justify his claims.
We saw the UCL back then and it was damn competitive, the likes of Lyon, PSV, Deportivo, Benfica, Valencia were capable to going toe to toe with the so called big boys...

randomperson:
How many league titles did this team win... They were bested by inter Milan.... Good players, not the best of teams... The facts speak for themselves

League is local trophy...As good as this Milan team is, they were only able to win the UCL 1 time due to the competition on offer back then...I am happy you agree they are better than Madrid teams who have benefited from the obvious drop in quality opposition in recent times...

randomperson:
Why bar madrid? Why? So we should just ignore mourinho's biggest failure?

The fact is that guardiola has not tried to coach small teams and failed, so arguing from non existent circumstances...

Both of them have attempted roles in big clubs and guardiola did better by far

But Mourinho has done it at two different clubs with different players, his methods not just the players at work.

Pep can't do shit without Messi, Xavi and Iniesta

randomperson:
Milan team was better than Madrid team? This has got to be a joke.

Milan that were in a league where inter, perpetual ucl flops were dominating?

Care to compare their players?
Dida over Navas
Cafu over Carvajal
Stam over Varane or Pepe
Nesta over Ramos
Maldini over Marcelo
Gattuso over Casmeiro
Pirlo over Modric
Seedorf over Kroos
Kaka over Bale
Ronaldo over Crespo
Shevchenko over Benzema.

Let me see yours...

randomperson:
Still trying to spin this narrative, i see. I wonder why u didn't answer my question...

That something is competitive doesn't mean it's quality... The Nigerian league is a case study for that...


During that time, Barca were not a superpower, and Madrid were in a mess... So it was not abundance of quality, rather it was paucity of quality and predominance of uniform averageness...

The only thing that has stopped athletico and juventus from multiple cl wins is the extraordinary brilliance of Barca and more recently Madrid...

When the best students in class are flopping, the average students who are naturally many would be forming activity but when the best students get their mojo back, it's back to business as usual

Wow!!! Milan was average, Barcelona was average, Manchester United were average, The Galacticos were average, that Bayern team was average...Humor me more...The Juventus you have now won't stand a chance against the Del Piero, Nedved led Juventus.

This Atletico Madrid will be beaten blue black by that Milan team.

randomperson:
All these shows is that underdogs had more of a chance in the past decade when compared to the present times...


If more people are winning a prize, is it more or less difficult to win that prize

It shows you that the level of competition among peers is on a record high thus it is more difficult to have one individual dominate like we have now...That Milan team was better than this Madrid team but they couldn't win it twice in a row because you had others who were equally excellent.

randomperson:
I'm not jumping, am using my common sense like every other rational human being...

It's foolhardiness to insist that a million pounds today is the same value as a million pounds 15 years ago...

Ronaldo was bought for 80million in 2009, what would be the value of that deal in today's transfer market? That's how reasonable people think not adding raw numbers like clueless nursery school students

Is it not also foolhardy to consider Mourinho's early years as a coach? Is it not foolhardy to think Mourinho should have won more coaching moderately successful teams bar Madrid and now Manchester United who are only starting to rise after a slump occasioned by the retirement of Fergie?
Is it not foolhardy to talk about number of trophies won in relation to the number of years in the game without factoring in the amount spent in this period?

randomperson:
All these shows is that underdogs had more of a chance in the past decade when compared to the present times...


If more people are winning a prize, is it more or less difficult to win that prize

It showed that we had more teams who were up to the standard. I am sure you don't enjoy the Bundesliga of recent...I am also sure you were happy to see Atletico Madrid challenging Real and Barcelona?
Back then, you had so many good teams that it was difficult for another to dominate completely...The competition was fiesty, a lot different fr what you have now.

You come here saying Pep has won more in 10 years compared to Mou who has spent 18 years but when you are asked to also check how much each of them have spent you start jumping from pillar to post like a cursed gorilla...

Na here we dey, this is not your thread where you just type whatever you feel like for the likes, you go run last last...

randomperson:
Since you have decided to stick to ucl, I will play your game.

Athletico have made two finals and one semi in four years... That's better than Valencia did

How many times did Lyon or PSV or Ajax reach the ucl finals in the last decade

Liverpool had not won a league title for more than a decade yet they made the final twice... That Liverpool team would not make ucl finals today

So, inspite of your best efforts, you have still failed to prove that it was harder to win titles.. In fact, the facts suggest, it was easier for underdogs to win titles then as compared to now

Lol Valencia reached the final in 2000 and 2001 so try another one.

That Liverpool team came back from 3-0 down to win a final against an AC Milan team that had Maldini, Shevchenko, Seedorf, Cafu, Pirlo, Nesta, Gatti so, Crespo, Stam etc is the team you want to put down by their obvious failure to win a league title? Between, UCL is rated higher than league (local trophy)...

PSV have reached the Semi Finals, Same with Lyon, can't say same about the oil dollars bankrolled PSG.

Now, answer my question, when you talk about Mourinho's 18 years in the game, do you start counting from 2004?

randomperson:
So you're a saying it was harder to win ucl in a decade where underdogs like Porto won.? Which Kain logic be that?

This only shows that the level of competition has increased such that, if you're not at the very top, you stand no chance

It only shows the level of competition has dropped so many levels below the standard.

randomperson:
We are talking about 2004 here, not the dark ages... Barca still had only one ucl, athletico were still kings of Thursday league, there were no state sponsored teams who could buy any player they want, there were unlikely winners like Liverpool, Porto ... And if it was even difficult then, what about his stint at Madrid

When you comfortably come type to type that Mourinho has been in the game for 18 years and Pep for 10 years, do you start counting from 2004?

Meanwhile, let me respond to your other lines, that Pool team were no pushovers, they made the finals in 2007 after winning it in 2005.

Oil Money? PSG has still not surpassed Lyon of those days.
Man City have not surpassed that Arsenal team.

Atletico Madrid have not Surpassed Valencia.

Milan was a force to be reckoned with.
Juventus were a force until Calciopoli happened.
PSV were very dangerous as was Ajax. Deporting with Valeron was also good.

UCL winners
Last decade, the UCL recorded 8 different winners, Madrid, Bayern, Porto, Milan, Liverpool, Barcelona, Manchester United, Inter Milan.


2011 till date, we have just 4 winners...Facts only.

randomperson:
Back then winning was a lot more difficult?? Like, seriously, WTF!!

Please where's your proof... At least there is overwhelming proof that transfer fees are more expensive these days....

How can u even say winning was more difficult when fergie was acquiring epl titles at the rate fela was acquiring wives

Back then, it was impossible to win the UCL back to back...
You had Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Barcelona, Juventus, the Great Milan team, Galactica Madrid etc Elsewhere, you had a very strong Lyon, PSV, Ajax and the likes...It's no surprise it was impossible to win the UCL back to back.

randomperson:
You want to compare how much both have spent when the transfer record in 2004 was not up to 80million. Right now,the record is 222milion... More than times 3 of the record then...

That, sir, will be a statistical farce

Wow!!! When it comes to amount spent we now put into context the years gone by but when it comes to trophies, you conveniently ignore the fact that back then, winning was a lot more difficult.

randomperson:
You are just trying to grasp at straws here because the facts are against you...

Mourinho has won 22 trophies in eighteen years, guardiola has won 19 in 9 years.

These are the facts and that's how people that have sense argue not trying to pick on some perceived error because they are incapable of rational discourse"

So if u have facts to tender logically to prove your point, then all good. But if all u have is this display of juvenile pettiness you're on your own

Can we so delve a bit into how much each of them have spent?

Melvyn11:
Common sense. How many did Mourinho buy compared to what pep bought at City. Sane, Gabriel, Mendy, Laporte,ederson,Zinchenko. Don't dare call Pogba beacaue he was world class already now sit down and pay attention.

The problem with joining the bandwagon is that when you are pressed further in a discuss, you begin to goof...So if you are a coach and inherit a team youth filled with potentials, you'll go ahead and continue buying youths just a prove a point or what exactly?
I have shown you that the team is armed to the teeth with youth, what we need now is experience to create the right blend...
The bolded makes no sense unless are trying to start another argument with yourself because I only referred to him as one of the spine of the team.

Melvyn11:
Short term successes thats what Mourinho will leave you with but all the players Pep has signed are at an average of 23yrs old..Look at the bigger picture and youll see when he leaves theyll have the same squad.

The Spine of Manchester United team is De Gea, Bailly, Pogba and Lukaku...We still have Martial, Shaw, Rashford, Jones, Lingard etc From the academy, Timothy Fosu-Mensah, McTonimay and Gomes...Before you join the bandwagon, be sure of the destination...

Laporte for £57m? But but Mourinho is the checkbook manager...

haymekus:
It's either he plays

Coutinho and messi

Or

Coutinho and iniesta

Or

Iniesta and messi


Using the three of them wouldn't work

Coutinho can play with Iniesta, all EV needs to do is have Suarez at CF and Messi on the RWF. Coutinho should play as LWF until Dembele is back or LCM when Iniesta isn't available.

Looks like you guys are getting Aubameyang...Good for the league...

Melvyn11:
Xavi and Iniesta were also there when barca went 2 seasons trophyless and finished 18points behind Madrid. Then came pep and like a magician that he is barca won 6 trophies. Pep had so much influence on them as simple as that.

Okay...

Xavi a Iniesta played a pivotal role in Spains Euro 2008 win but no, it's Pep who made them what they are...

raumdeuter:
1. Whether you gave up or not is no ones business bottom line you finished 6th Pep finished 3rd.

2. Tactically better yet he was chopping 5-0 and back to back home defeat

3. Varane was aleready a first team player before Mourinho bought him from France. And Varane isnt a world class defender yet. Busquets was brought from academy with 0 first team appearance and he is the best if not top 3 DM in the world

Varane was nothing like a Dembele or Mbappe or Ramos or Stones...

Neymar1095:
Your legendary manager won 2 UCLs in 26 full years at your club.
And you downplay pep because he didn't win one in 3 years?.I hate your stupidity I swear.

Twitter won't help you here...Run along.

Someone didn't live the Calciopoli, you can read about it.
I won't be surprise if he argued that Zlatan, Viera, Zambrotta, Thuram and co never played for Juventus...
Over sabi.

Eruditor:
And he told me you are yarning opaks.

As if you spent over £100M to finish 6th and chase Yuropa. LOL.

Well, we won it, the only trophy we had never won...Pep on the other hand spent £200m to get knocked out by a young Monaco team...

Eruditor:
How was it against the odds? That is all I am asking.

Celts have beaten Barca.
Shaktar as well.
Inter still beat Bayern under (Leonardo)

So are the managers also tactically better?

I can't help.