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Eruditor:
Against who and when?

United gave up because they were many points behind 3rd, 4th and 5th. Simple.

Google is your friend.

Eruditor:
I gave a fact. You finished how many points behind 4th placed Liverpool? And did you not win your last how many games of the season? So what are you on about?

We did not win because the focus had since shifted to the Europa league...We were fielding academy players...

Melvyn11:
I said won the league three times in a row Oga.

League is a local trophy...

Eruditor:


Against what odds?

Etoo does not agree with you.

Porto vs United, 2004...
Inter vs Barcelona, 2010...
Bayern vs Inter, 2010...

Eruditor:
Lies. You chased Europa when top 4 was out of sight

Care to check?

Melvyn11:
How many coaches in Bayern history won the league thrice in a row. This Guy is seriously dumb. You have been schooled enough.

No insults, Juup won the treble a season before Pep...

phaamsaam:
Fat lie, varane was only given opportunities, he came from French league oga

So for you, to groom means the player must be from the academy? Variance came in as a youngster and ousted Pepe from the first team under the tutelage of the special one, you know who...

Eruditor:
I agree. Zidane is better.

Than Pep. Who is better than Mou who is waaaay ahead of SAF.


LOGIC.

Yes Logic...Zidane of Real Madrid is the best...

raumdeuter:
Europa is a tier 2 tournament which top coaches like Guardiola dont get to play

UCL is tier 1 and he won it with same team...

raumdeuter:
What was the war, you cant call a war when its one side shooting

Well, Google is your friend.

popizaino:
do you know better than bayern Munich cheif executive because the dude doesn't agree with you.


Besides while pep didn't win the ucl with bayern he made sure he dominated the league what happen to mourinho doing the same with madrid ?

Bayern dominating the league is like PSG dominating ligue-1, nothing special.

raumdeuter:
Yes in all categories Pep is better

1. Today Pep is ahead of Mourinho by 12 points, they have played in the same league 5 seasons Mourinho only topped Pep 1 time

2. Head to head Pep is beating Mourinho senseless on head to head

3. Grooming players. Pep took Busquets from academy to Wrld class player. Mention 1 player Mourinho took from academy to world class player

4. Improving players. Pep took Messi from a 20 goal a season winger to a 60goal a season player. Raheem Sterling, Muller, Sane etc are all having their best ever seasons under Pep

Last season, we had to give up on our top four chase in order to concentrate on the Europa league and we won it.
This season is just about a half way gone, 12 points isn't insurmountable.

2. Mourinho is tactically better, he has been able to use to right tactics to win against the odds and with average players.

3. Grooming? Mourinho brought Varane in to the first team and he coached him to reach the very top level.
Today, he is working wonders with Lingard and Martial.

4. Lingard is having his best season under Mourinho, Martial is on course too.
At Inter, Milito reached levels he never could imagine, Schneider improved to world class standard with Mou.

Man management? The quote from former players speaks volumes of Mourinho's man management skill.

Eruditor:
He lost to Barca 1-0 on the day. How did he get the better?

He rendered whose Bayern?

Bayern Munich of the Burnthisleaguedown...

Eruditor:
Ok. Zidane is the best. He won 2 in 2 years.

Pep won 2 in 3 years not 10.

SAF won 2 in 1 billion years.

Zidane is better than SAF.

Pep is 10 years in the game now, no?

phaamsaam:
I still remember pepe being deployed in midfield by Jose to man mark Messi in ucl, I was just laughing, out of 4-5games it only worked I guess in the cup final, Jose tactics are getting outdated just like he is growing old, We'll without Jose Mou, football may have been a bit boring in the last 10-15years, NO Need going into details Pep is a step above bro.. Now lots of coaches are besting Mou in his Park the bus philosophy and beating him at his game

I also remember Mou getting the better of Barcelona with 10 man Inter...
I remember him rendering Bayern useless in the final with his tactics...Every spirit of amnesia, I bind and cast IJN.

kokaneprodigy:
how many does Mou have in 18 years?

Two (2)...

Eruditor:
Hope you've succeeded in confusing yourself further.

Wenger might as well be the best in the world. He has always used less to win more than Mou.

Win which trophy? We're talking about the UCL here, if you want to bring Wenger in, let me know so I can lower the standard several levels below the norm.

raumdeuter:
What did Wenger call Mourinho before Mourinho called him a specialist in failure?

In war, all is fair.

raumdeuter:
Mourinho didnt win in 5 yrs at Chelsea and 3 yrs at Madrid, In Man utd currently he is 12 points behind Guardiola

He won the Europa league with Porto in 2003, in 2004, he won the UCL. He went to Inter who had not won it for 50 yrs and left with the treble.
12 points is no trophy, in the EPL, teams have surrendered greater advantage in the past, so calma calma

phaamsaam:
NO one is taking the plaudits away from Jose, but he ain't better than pep, even Jose knows that deep down... Technically, tactically, Man management, grooming players, improving players, It's visible to the blind and audible to the deaf

How is he technically and tactically better?
Man management?
Grooming players?
Improving players?
Okay, let's go ahead and do a proper comparison using the metrics you've highlighted. Come with practical examples.

Skimpledawg:
They don't know

Tonight, somebody will choke on logic...

phaamsaam:
Laughable and pathetic to say the least

That's how your opinion on Mourinho is, laughable and pathetic...

I hope you guys see how it feels when you guys attempt to rubbish the achievements of Mourinho in a bit to hype Pep? When you lots are about to start your senseless back and forth, remember Zinedine Zidane...

Eruditor:
You are still not answering the question.

This is Eruditor not Raumdeuter. Count their trophies in their first 2 years (I am not adding 3 because Zidane has already sheet the bed).

Well, you are not the umpire here and I reject whatever you're bringing to the table. Zidane is the best period...

Melvyn11:
Let's agree with your logic. Zidane is better than pep, pep is better than Mourinho. Case closed

Yes, Zidane is the best Manager currently...

Eruditor:
Count all Zidanes trophies in his 2 years to Peps in his 2 years too. That is the way to align it.

Your trusted comrade Raumdeuter has time and time again told us league's titles and domestic cups are local trophies and we've come to accept that.
Zidane has 2 UCL in less than 3 years of his management career compared to Pep who has 2 in 10 fvcking years...Don't forget the rules here.

popizaino:
Don't want to debunk your last sentence but mourinho was given world player of the year 2008 and 207 buy couldn't win with them .

What more again?

It's your folks who think Mourinho is a failure or isn't good enough, yours truly is only here to highlight the low points of Pep...Mourinho failed to win the UCL with Madrid and Chelsea, true...
Pep also failed with Bayern and failed woefully last season...This season? We dey here dey wait.

Melvyn11:
Lol..... zidane has won 8 trophies in 2 seasons at Madrid. Pep won 6 in his first season at barca...... Try harder

Zidane first two years, 2 UCL, Pep, 10 years, 2 UCL...Facts only...Zidane is better. We do not count local trophies here...

Melvyn11:
Just imagine what you just asked. So critizing a team style of play and calling another coach specialist in failure is the same thing shey.

When Mourinho called Wenger a specialist in failure, weren't the both of them involved in a war of words? You're ignoring this fact to suit your obvious bias. Yeye dey smell.

lordfalcao:
why didn't he do it with Chelsea (two tenure) Madrid ??

Pep didn't win with Bayern and so far, he failed last season, the jury is still out...

raumdeuter:
Mourinho couldnt win with Ronaldo. A whole Ronaldo. Mourinho an Pellegrini must be the only coaches who cant win the CL with Ronaldo

He couldn't win with Ronaldo, he won with Pandev, Milito...
He also won with Carlos Alberto, Maniche etc
Now let's look at Pep, he won it with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol and again with same players but he has failed so far with Robben, Shweinsteiger, Neur, Lewandowski etc
He is still failing with Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva, Fernandinho etc...
It looks like Mou stands a better chance of winning again as he is adept with doing it on the big stage with different players, not so sure about the man Messi put on the map.

raumdeuter:
Mou couldnt win with Madrid stars which the next coaches won with easily, He couldnt win with Chelsea in mutiple attempts while his immediate succesor who didnt even have a coaching badge made it to the final

Mourinho has won it with Porto and Inter...Less fancied teams, no? Two different clubs with different players.
Let Pep do it without the brilliance of a certain Argentine and magician in the middle of the pitch...The wait continues several seasons after.