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eph12:
Haba!

This guy is talking based on comments made by Jose and not what he observed personally na. Look at the bold part

So what context are you building your opinion from or Have you heard from Shaw himself? Jose works with the lad and like other coaches who have coached the lad, they all have said spewed similar lines...

Funlordjnr:
Jose is all about results....football is a results based business...and he consistently gets results....this chap called jose is not actually a "youth hater"...I have dropped an article here before that captured every youth player that jose has developed or given opportunities throughout his career...even balotelli became a brief star at inter due to joses guidance of him into the 1st team as well as in Europe! I feel Jose expects a young player to be exceptional before he can be trusted with regular starts! Is he the only one guilty of this? No!

1 Ferguson and rooney!

2 Ferguson and ronaldo!

3 Wenger and fabregas!

4 All barca coaches and messi! Etc!

5 Jose and carlos Alberto and varane (porto/real)

No coach would not have utilized these players in their prime but their are also countless examples of budding stars who when given the chance on the big stage failed to impress! You are the only chelsea fan that was actually unhappy when lukaku was sold and that is why I never give you the business over the chap but you must admit lukaku always did better on loan than at chelsea! Why? Don Didier as well as chelsea mechanic style of soccer which never played to HIS strengths maybe?

He hardly ever played well and most chelsea fans never gave a _fuck when he was sold in 2014, most of you were even questioning his attitude back then so why now use this same lukaku pankere to trash jose? And I did not hear most of you cry over lukaku or youth when he was winning the league for you without lukaku too! As for hazard that _twat is still suffering from a serious case of bad belle-itis! So conte trusts players? So when he was winning the league under joses guidance and also collecting his player of the year gong under jose it was as a result of the mistrust jose had for him abi? It seems you have also been afflicted with that particular virus! Kdb was also injury prone while @ chelsea so why is he wailing? They both need to stfu!



Jose is a motivator! Martial and shaw need to wake the _fuck up like mikky did! If you believe he is benching them because they are young then you are on a long thing! He is trying to bring out the best in them! It's tough love...Martial even appreciates it but most of Luke Shaws past coaches have said the guy is just a proper ajebo that needs a lot of smooching! Well no time for that at manchester! We pay and expect you to jam immediately! No crime in that! As for mata...he was great at chelsea maybe due to chelseas languid style...I still don't rate him at manchester or even feel he is a united type player! Too slow, too nice and misses a lot of easy chances..he is a good squad player..nothing more!

Bros you get energy sha! I back off arguments when it's obvious that it isn't gonna have a headway, just back and forth.
To be honest, the same Shaw and Martial that he is on about have been criticized on this board with several posters angling for the sale of Shaw, so I don't really get his point or is Jose supposed to continue playing them even when they're not delivering just so that he can be tagged a youth friendly coach?
Mata for all his talent isn't exactly suited to the fast paced game we are craving for, he is a good player but not exceptional.
On Lukaku, his case is quite similar to that of Thiago Alcantara when he was at Barca, fantastic talent but he had better players ahead of him at that time, so it was a case of staying knowing you'll get little game time or leaving for first team football and he opted to leave. Now should Barca fans look back and say Thiago is posting better numbers than Iniesta thus they made a bad decision letting him go? Absolutely no...

A friend of mine who works with Jumia said they don't sell motor bikes and you pay before delivery of iphones so this story doesn't add up...

Nihilist:
Where did I insult you?

Baba e don do o!

Nihilist:
Firstly, if you think I believe you watched that match, you're on a long thing.

Secondly, Lukaku was top scorer in Belgium at the age of 16. His transfer fee of 17 million for a 16 year old already tells me that Chelsea knew he was special.

You clearly no sabi ball with the way you've been shouting touch blah blah. The people who really sabi ball at your own club are sounding out a Lukaku transfer, while youre hearing swallowing the Mourunho garbage hook line and sinker.

You are looking for who to insult abi? I no get power for back and forth argument, you win...

Nihilist:
It was actually 155 minutes spread out over 8 league apps. That's less than 20 minutes a game.

Most strikers need around 120 minutes of continuous gametime to score a goal. You play some one for 155 minutes across an entire season and you sat he looks out of depth?

You no sabi ball.

It didn't take 20min for me to know Ronaldo was special when Man Utd played that friendly match with Sporting, your touch, control in tight space etc is enough for me...As per whether I sabi ball or not, it's your headache

raumdeuter:
Is 120mins mainly as a sub enough to judge a player
For how many mins was Mikitaryan out of depth this season

His reputation at Dortmund meant he had to be given ample time to prove his worth.

raumdeuter:
Meaning they got there on merit

Talk about Dino, Eto and Deco, will you?

raumdeuter:
Which opportunity was presented by Mourinho to Lukaku

Lukaku played a total of 122mins under Mourinho before he was shipped out

For the whole of 122 minutes, he was out of depth...

raumdeuter:
It was purely footballing that made Pep choose Busquets and Pique over more established guys. He saw the talent in them, Now after Pep has left Barca for 6yrs these guys still start

They proved good enough after his call unlike Cuenca, JDS, Jeffren Suarez etc

raumdeuter:
Who were the players ahead of Lukaku?

Torres who was a waste pipe then, Instead of trusting Lukaku, Mourinho rather bought Etoo who he called over 50 after Etoo he brought back Drogba who was retiring in China. If you dont trust young players how will they show their ability.

Like Busquets had Yaya Keita ahead of him but he was still trusted, Pique had a lot of older players ahead of him but was given the chance

BTW the point you made was to point to the players Mourinho refused to use and became good elsewhere and there you have it KDB and Lukaku

Both of them are 25yrs and younger and each of them in current market each of them will go for 70M Euros each

Well, same Pep ditched Dino, Deco and later on Eto, it had more to do with his ideology and their professional conduct than purely footballing terms...

SIRcumalot:
chineke!
why you cast lukaku market like this ?

Hehehe, Lukaku with a bit of technical ability will be my ideal striker but for now, I'd say he has to improve that aspect of his game play.

Nihilist:
I disagree with everything you said here. This post is a mix of factually incorrect statements, and wrongly informed opinions.

Factually incorrect? Nihilist, this is not Lukaku vs Martial so please let's be objective here, the Lukaku you saw in Chelsea blue, will you have him over St. Remy or Baba Ba?

raumdeuter:
Who were the players ahead of Lukaku?

Torres who was a waste pipe then, Instead of trusting Lukaku, Mourinho rather bought Etoo who he called over 50 after Etoo he brought back Drogba who was retiring in China. If you dont trust young players how will they show their ability.

Like Busquets had Yaya Keita ahead of him but he was still trusted, Pique had a lot of older players ahead of him but was given the chance

BTW the point you made was to point to the players Mourinho refused to use and became good elsewhere and there you have it KDB and Lukaku

Both of them are 25yrs and younger and each of them in current market each of them will go for 70M Euros each

Lukaku was awful when presented with an opportunity, you should know better, KDB had better players ahead of him...QED

SIRcumalot:
"at Chelsea" your words
lukaku and KDB don't play for Chelsea.
at least that na how I see am.

Exactly, how do you play KDB when you have Mata, Lampard etc or Lukaku who couldn't control a pass to save his life and up till now, his ball control and ability to maneuver in tight spaces is still not up to standard, he is just a big fish in a small pond, expose him to the ocean waters and he will disappear...

raumdeuter:
So you knew that yet you posted the below

Let's be realistic here, Lukaku had better players ahead of him and until now, he still divides opinions on the Chelsea thread, some don't want him back because to them he isn't technical enough and it's the truth...
At Everton, their system is set up to favour him but at Chelsea or any other big club, he would have less of space to operate cos most of the time, he will come up against teams that have men behind the ball and his technical deficiency will be exposed.
KDB also had a lot of players ahead of him that were relatively better as at that time so his case was more of him being impatient than Mou refusing to trust him...It's not compulsory to promote youth players for the sake of it, even Barcelona will find it difficult to get another Xavi/Iniesta/Messi off la masia just as we will have to wait a long while to get another Neville, Giggs, Scholes etc off our academy

Eastwalk:
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It a popular destination for enjoying beach games, forest walk, mountain sports and other resorts.

Please Obudu ranch resort is located at Obudu LGA not Calabar Municipal, when you're sharing information like this, be careful not to misinform folks because some fellas might as well quote this source some day...Good job all the same...

Is this post meant to encourage folks to consider the next offer?

bigkesh:
Why are you looking for the gain in all this??
Most times coaches don't play youth players because they are good enough...
When you have a dead game with little consequence on your season then it doesn't matter if the player is good enough
When you lead 5-0 with 10mins to go, it doesn't matter if the guy is good enough

Most times you don't really know if the youth players are good enough until you let them feel the pressure in a real game
You think Fergie thought Macheda was good enough?
Or Carlo thought Hutchinson was good enough



Jose doesn't play youth because he doesn't like to play youth, he is so insecure
Jose would rather play Zouma as a CF than play the highest scoring winger in our Academy. ...True life story o

NOW LET'S ASSUME JOSE PLAY YOUTH ONLY WHEN THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH

Are you saying Mensah that was good enough to play against Arsenal, Spurs and City last season isn't good to play against Zorya and Hull(after a 2-0 win in the first leg)

You can't throw the 'good enough' cardagainst Mensah, Rashford, Shaw and Co when you have Darmian, Jones, Fellaini and Rooney playing regularly

When the pressure of promoting a youth player got to Jose at Chelsea, he picked RLC who isn't even top 5 ballers in his team .
Don't tell me Jose only play the youth players that are good enough,if that was the case we would have Baker and Christiensen in our team and not RLC and Zouma


You must be the only person in the world who didn't know Jose used Varane to piss off Ramos earlier in the season especially against City, then he used him to stick it to Pepe when he turned against him



Mourinho just left Chelsea do you don't expect Conte to have promoted a lot of youth players, so I can't gives you names.......But in 3 years time I will

For the first time in years we had like 4 youth players on the pitch together in a game, Under Jose even if he played a youth player he would remove him before bringing in another one


A Mourinho that couldn't bear a 18 year old CF scoring double digits goals for average teams just because he lost a penalty,is that the Jose that will help Rashford?



It's so cute when United fans try to argue with Chelsea fans about Jose.....He is many things but not a youth guy

No, it's cute when a Chelsea fan that swore to the gods of his village to defend Mourinho flip flops...Guy, I asked you how many Chelsea youngsters have gone on to do big things since Mourinho left taking into consideration his first and second spell with Chelsea but you've gone mute, why I think I know why, none...
With the current state of things at United, it is almost impossible to give any game time to youth players cos the pressure to get back amongst Europe's elites is strong enough to destroy the carrier of any youngster if things go south.
When we get back to where we belong, then we can start giving the academy lads a look in...
All in all, trust me, the fans on these board care more about our youth than you so if there was any cause for concern, they'd have raised it first but still, thanks for your concern though it was unappreciated.

raumdeuter:
Debruyne Lukaku do those count?

Nobody claimed Jose is infallible just as Fergie, Pep and a host of other great coaches aren't...

bigkesh:
Even when he was the Chelsea manager, I was never a fan of his youth policy .

Now bro tell me which youngster he didn't play that has gone on to do big things at Chelsea? I need just names here, thanks...
Truth is people just love to pick on Mou for who he was in his early days in the profession but hey, that's the only way he could have bulldozed his way past the old guard, I'm talking of the Lippi's, Ferguson, Capello, VDB, Redknapp, Erikson etc Mou at Madrid had the guts to bench Pepe for Varane cos he thought Varane was good enough and rightly so he was/is...Zouma had a lot of game time playing under Mou, the truth is if you're good enough, no coach can hold you down...
All those yarns about Mou will only hold waters when the so called youngsters he is blocking from fulfilling their potential go ahead and do big things elsewhere or when he is gone, until then, the tag given to Mou as an anti youth is baseless...

afrodoc2:
Wait is that not the guy that was mourinholic until a short while ago and was ready to defend JM and his methods with his last breath?
If that is the case and this is coming from a fan of a team that produces youth team products in the 1st team once in a BLUE moon then this is a very peculiar mess.

I just tire for the guy, he has no moral stand to come here and write such trash...

dubylhover:
mourinho has every right to complain about fatique,but I see most peeps here attacking him for lack of rotation,I believe the concept of rotation is giving more playing playing time if they are capable or competent enough to keep up the momentum of the team..any match we don't use ibra,we struggle despite his poor conversion ratio,rashford is just annoying me this season,he just runs around like a directionless chicken without thinking,once he sees space he just runs,I blame him for the continual usage of ibra,he's just not ready,that's y I don't blame mou for dependeing on ibra,about schweini,I think he's no more the beast in mf he used to b and Carrick is more creative..this tfm that most united fans yap about,I've honestly not seen the special factor in him that shows he needs to b played,with players like perreira nd rashford,you see d spark but ive not seen it in tfm,so y should mou rotate his first team for the likes of young. nd co when they would just make us terrible,

I'd use d game against Blackburn as an example,we all saw how ordinary we looked until pogboom nd ibra entered,only micky was still showing his class..in essense,our bench isn't filled with enough quality for mou to usr..that's my opinion

Exactly what I wanted Gloryisaac to understand.

GloryIsaac:
[i]Ok Bro, Mou knows what he's doing... For the time being, I think we should head to Arsenal thread for the party, West Bromwich are on fire! [/I]

Lol I don register my presence for there, Arsenal fc is a useless club

Hehehe Useless club is repping...Where them clowns at?

GloryIsaac:
You see your problem(na joke o ), check my post again, I said There was a time when we saw teams like Anderlecht as an opportunity to rest players, but unfortunately we now field our first team against such teams and come back to complain of fatigue , honestly, I don't think we should have fielded our first eleven against rostov, there are guys who clean the bench everyday waiting for an opportunity to prove themselves... or do we now pay £200,000 -£50,000 for bench warming

Peruse through the Barca thread, you'll see how they complain each time they lose a match due in most part to squad rotation...You need to accept that times have changed, the days when the very top reams can afford to rest their first team and still make light weight of their opponents is long gone, the pressure for results nowadays means there's little space for a coach to try new things or blood in just about any player.

GloryIsaac:
So Schalke, Ajax and Bilbao are now at the same level with Anderlecht , Btw, fielding a full strength team against Rostov wasn't the best in my opinion.

Please stop it abeg, we are up against Anderlecht in the quarter finals of the UEL and you are angling for Mou to use his second choice players? Brother are you for real?
If SAF met ANderlecht at this stage of the competition, he'd play his best eleven, we are not talking about dead group stage matches here, it's the knock out round ffs.
Don't let folks here begin to dig our line ups for teams smaller than Anderlecht during the SAF era...

OP you sound like it's not possible for a 3rd class graduate to best a first class or 2.1 graduate, with adequate preparation and presentation, a 3rd class graduate can be selected ahead of a first class graduate, remember, certificate isn't a true test of knowledge...

adebayo201:
thought two of the three Laliga teams should have been paired together ni??

Not compulsory tho

Danhumprey:
you're in the habit of underrating teams. be careful. stop over-hyping Barca just because of MSN. check Juventus defensive record in the UCL this season and see that Barca won't have it easy against Juve. besides, Juve will be harbouring revenge in their heart for what Barca did to them in Germany in 2015.



who will win is subjective. the tie is somewhat close.

Who have they come up against so far? The second leg is in the Nuo Camp, that's where Barca will settle it.

SIRcumalot:
@patrickmuf
I heard somewhere that juve hasn't lost game in the UCl this season.
I won't bet against them.

But they are up against Barca now, over two legs, I can't see them edging it

SIRcumalot:
this isn't a bad draw for Leicester at all I give them a chance against at.madrid or Dortmund

Exactly my thought, they need to avoid defeat in Spain and that's a big task