₦airaland Forum

You mean there are no good atheists?

If you have ever come across an atheist who is very good, you will know that we Christians are child's play when it comes to being good

God bless Professor E. A. C Nwanze of the Department of Biochemistry.

Now i understand what the man did at the time he was V.C

Oya now!
Tinubu, make we sell apc go buy panthouse

martinskelly:
I don't get your question? I actually don't worship there now so I can't say anything.

Ok,
Me I have worshipped there.
I can tell you categorically that they are guilty.

There was a time the Bishop had even slapped a poor small girl on pulpit saying she is a witch.

Now, that wasn't fair

martinskelly:
The mentioning of church name is the "issue".

I have attended winners headquarters severally, I love the church and I know what they preach there but have the Op gone to all of there branches to be able to affirm that none of the branches is found culpable on is 5 point list?

There are many churches that preach Christ and they never swindle people of their hard earn money or take their gullibility for an exchange of ridicule.

What I'm saying here is, let's not always see from our own lenses of reasoning only because at a point in time you will need to adjust it when it dampened.

Looking at the first two points the op raised :
1. The Church that calls every problem a spiritual attack
2. The Church that says you can 'only' be blessed 'only' through sowing Seeds

Winners chapel are guilty of these fallacies, true or false?

Holy2Glory:
You see, your breath is bad and you do err indeed. For you know not the power of God for certain. There is nothing like old Bible English. If I decide to use "thou" for an example it doesn't mean it can not also be expressed the other way round.

you actually thought using the THOU and SHALT English is intimidating?

But since the weight of what is to be communicated is heavy

ehhe?
Is that so?

You must be a comedian

I already told you, there is no perfect Church on earth;

you are very right!
There is no perfect church on earth just like there are no perfect schools.
But just like school could carry out research before teaching people, i expect churches in Nigeria to do the same.

Christianity is one religion worldwide but churches in Africa want to say that they belong to winners, others redeem, others Aladura, others catholic.

Does this wahalla or division worth it?
Life is very simple o

While you are able to see the faults, it could be that even the pastor is not seeing it not to talk of the members. So the Lord allowed you to see the errors as a burden he is placing on you to do something or help carry his cross.

certainly!
May be some time in the future i may pick that responsibility and set up a digital platform solely used to create awareness of what Christians like me in Africa should know in the bible that may eventually make them free from the bondage of religion deep inside their minds.
Because this whole error is not even coming from the pastors in the real sense. It is coming from the minds of the church members.
So the pastors instead of correcting the expectations of church members, have read their minds and start dishing out what they want as doctrine instead of what the bible teaches, so that they will keep coming to church

But here you are despising the cross of Jesus Christ thinking you are despising man or you are doing anything better.

Now look it this way!
We have read in the bible how Paul had rebuked Peter to correct an error. Will you say that Paul had despised the cross for doing that since Peter was personally chosen by Jesus Christ?

We are all in the body Christ, corrections are not taboo here, thank God you started by saying that no one is perfect .

If the church in Nigeria is doing well, it will reflect in the nation.
Righteousness exalt a nation

ultraviolet27:
all the congregations will know the youths that are ripe for marriage but not yet married

Holy2Glory:
Bro what happened?
Who made you a judge of character here?
Are you not afraid to speak for the Lord? Are you anointed that thou should lift up thy voice in the place of the Lord either to condemn or to justify? Humble thyself before the good hand of the Lord, lest bitterness springing up troubles you and thereby many be defiled.

Threats and old bible English will not work.

Answer the question : Are these churches guilty or they are not guilty?

If truly they are guilty, you will see that with time, people will begin to avoid them like plague.
It is gradually happening.

It is not by juju or threats or speaking in tongues or in old bible English

Bakinson234:
that's an unfair statement,many pastors today have not invested in the community, society like Oyedepo did

Community investment in terms of infrastructure like housing, roads, electricity and portable water!
Perhaps, that may be true and commendable.
But what about the mental setbacks caused by unrealistic church lectures of every Sunday?

You may not understand the negative mental impact (which are far more enormous than the good side) his ministry and that of other churches like Redeem, Christ embassy, Mfm, Grace nation, etc, are causing Nigerians until you find yourself outside this country to see how Christianity is practiced in Europe and other educated regions of the world.

The truth is, these churches are not educating us.
The only good thing they do to Africans is to uphold and teach the resurrection of Jesus Christ and salvation through Grace. Every thing else they teach, is flop.

Like most African traditional religions, juju priests and deities of the old, these churches continue to make Nigerians feel that this life is controlled by spirituality, but that isn't true.

Development in science and technology seen in other nations were never achieved through spirituality, but rather, through education.

Godspowerpro:
Very soon, you'll become a member of the Church workforce

On the condition that they change what they are doing currently

Not just only winners,
All the churches are making the same mistake

It's embarrassing!
Nigerians are not learning.

Scriptures says righteousness exalt a nation.

What we are experiencing in Nigeria today, is the product of their error

Godspowerpro:
Nah! you've heard from some.
Even the unrepentant sinner who has ever attended Winners knows GOD is present with us

You are not getting what the op is saying!

He is not saying that God is not with these churches.
He is simply saying that these churches are manipulating people psychologically for their own financial gain and they are not teaching people what they should teach from the bible.

It's like you are paying school fees, yet the school is teaching you that 1+1=3

Young and educated upcoming generation should be wiser

Godspowerpro:
Except a few, like Winners

I have attended winners enough to know that it is not different

This Africa, it seems we are still living in 1626 were people have not yet seen the light of education.

Always backward in everything and every educational knowledge.
That's why we till lack understanding of the bible.

The word masturbation is not found anywhere in the bible. So if you want to acquire any knowledge about it, please read your science book and leave the bible alone

What are you celebrating

The man does not even know that you are celebrating anything.

If you like, go and cook rice and roast chicken and lock yourself inside your room with two bottles of wine, the man does not care.

All he want is that N200 naira offering you normally put in church consistently

Just watch how they will come attack this your post, because invariably, all churches in Nigeria are guilty of one or two of these reasons

What is Satan?

Oya, where are those online accusers?
Can anyone possibly debunk what Obi is saying without committing logical blunder?

Make una talk again now

Demonic organization!

Billions have died, yet no formal apology to their love ones

Edusouls:
your very wrong am very very intimidated cos he has a valid point and hell fire is real and waiting for new recruits…

The very hell fire you think it is intimidating people because you are intimidated, is not even biblical.

The phrase HELL FIRE in the bible does not necessarily mean fire burning people.
The true interpretation of the phrase means Death or grave.

Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning, it was not fire that burned them
They died!

And because they died, Christ resurrected to restore that life back.

So, there is nothing like fire burning people

People are not intimidated with the hell stories anymore.
Give people better reasons to do what is right they will do it without any fear

Jw is another confused religion totally different from Christianity.
They carry bible to deceive people that they are Christians. Yet they deny the resurrection of Christ and consider Jesus as a fellow brother in their faith in God

Fake story from a Muslim who is desperate to discredit Christianity and and promote Islam

No amount of prayer of repentance can take anyone to heaven.
You can't leave Jesus and depend on prayer of repentance, it will not work

ifenes:
Religion is another way of dividing people into believers and unbelievers, saved and condemned, pure and impure, superior and inferior.when a belief system gives one group a higher human value than another, it becomes less about spirituality and more about power and hierarchy.
Different labels,same old human habit: divide, rank and control.

Humanity does not need another identity to separate us. We need more humanity.

Religious discrimination and separation is a function of the mentality of the human involved. It is not a function of the religion itself.

If religion tell you to carry your hand go put for fire will you do it?
So you see, it is the mentality of the person, it is not what religion teaches.

I will always advice people to prioritize their mental health over religious teachings

illicit:
What you suffer from is your weakest point...

This applies to everyone

Exactly!

And if anyone is enjoying, he is enjoying from the strength of his knowledge

He is a psychologist.
He knows that most Nigerians are living in poverry.
He knows that everyone born from a poor home want to see themselves to be bread winner among their siblings.

He is simply just using people's head.
People who cannot think

Who is always pushing this gabbage news to front page?

Seun, please investigate your staff or NL is seen among those carrying fake news and propaganda.

Evaress:
At times i begin to doubt the existence of God. When is life so biased?
Why are some rich, some poor?
Some ugly, some beautiful?
Some work so hard and gain nothing. Some don't even work at all and gain everything.
Some do suffer all through their lives, no one to love them
Why? Why? If our God is a partial God then why is life so cruel to some and so nice to others.

If life is not partial, then it is not balance.

Take advantage of life and create your own happiness for yourself

Melagros:
Not long ago the Anambra State banned public ritual

Nor be only public ritual.

Iron condemn and bed bug chemicalists dey shout with radio for inside Nnewi streets dey make their money like say tommorow nor dey.

Isn't that noise pollution and enough public nuisance than self ritualism that is done quietly?

This una governor sef

PattersonHR:
"Public nuisance" that's the crime

so, iron condemn and otapiapia rat killers with loud street adverts in the same Nnewi are not public nuisance?

Them sack you and you are requesting for pay off.

Who does that?