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AntiChristian:
I hope you won't change words again.

Is Jesus Christ God? If Yes, can He change? I know that's yes too!

So why did the writter of Hebrew says Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever more?

Malachi 3:6: "For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed." (ESV)
Hebrews 13:8: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." (NIV)
Numbers 23:19: "God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind." (ESV)
James 1:17: "Every good and perfect gift is from above... with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change." (ESV)

Because his word cannot change. His word in the context of all these scriptures you quoted, is like a natural law, it does not change.
However, that doesn't mean that God cannot change his mind in certain situations. He reserve the right to change his mind over anything anytime the situation deem it fit to do so
He can even alter his natural laws just to achieve a particular aim, after which there will be no repetition of such thing again.

For instance, we have read in the bible how he parted the red sea for the Israelites, how he caused the sun to stand still in a battle during the time of Joshua and how he changed his mind and decided to give King Hezekiah extra 15 years to live (Isaiah 38:1-5).

You are still begging the question! Try and answer the questions.

I am not begging the question,
All I'm trying to say is that, the concept of Satan or the devil isn't what most people today think about him. That he is one malevolent evil spirit that has spiritual powers to manipulate or cause physical havoc or misfortunes in people's lives.

Every situations that happens to humans, there are natural causes and effects.

Like what happened to Job, you see it now that Satan presented himself among the sons of God. Meaning he was a human that probably caused the havoc to Job and his children perhaps out of envy.
You never can tell!

Even the one that the bible said a serpent spoke to Eve, the serpent there can be a strange human.

AntiChristian:
So you mean God is not as He was before in Bible, hence changes with time? God is subject to change!

According to Colossians 2:16
Let no man judge you of the Sabbath days which were shadow of things to come.

But meanwhile

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

This tells us that something has changed about God over time.

He designed the world to change, but towards the right direction

What suggests that Satan was human in the above verse you quoted? It seems you are just avoiding the questions and answering your own questions!

As an educated person toda, do you truly believe that a snake communicated with Eve as recorded in the bible?
Of all the animals in the world, why was snake used in that story?

AntiChristian:
Do you take God being faithful in the same light in what happened to Jesus coming to die?
And if you claim God being faithful does not involve killing people, why did God order the killings of people in the old testament?

Will God order that anyone should be killed today?
I don't think there is any such thing happening today.

Our current life is more important to us than what happened in bible days

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 What does disaster mean in the above verse? Is it not the same disaster that happened to Job that you claimed wasn't from God?

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Satan was a human in the context of the story.

Only humans can present himself among humans to be counted among humans

AntiChristian:
Faithfulness in killing them to test Job? I hear you!

This is essentially false. God permitted Satan to touch everything Job had except Job himself.

The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Job 1:12

If God were to permit Satan to unalive you while testing your dad, would you have said He was faithful to you?

This Satan we are talking about are nothing but envious people who envy people's success in life like they did to Job. They are still everywhere today, but the law will not permit them to do anything to anyone.

Now let us assume that the law by way of anarchy or a lawless society as it appear to be, in the days of Job, permits them to unalive me just like you said and they succeeded in doing that. Unlike Job, I will expect my father to acquire arms, also go and take permission from God, mobilize and pay fighters to fight back and avenge my death and eliminate every single one of them and their families, as a deterrent against a second occurrence of their evil act.

Now, everything that happened to me and also to them has nothing to do with God's faithfulness to me or to them.

God was faithful by giving us life to live and he will continue to be faithful, only that we choose not to be stupid

Karlifate:
Why are they withholding names of politicians the criminals worked (and are working) for

A very corrupt system of investigation.

Oloro jumped bail, ran to Lagos and came back to Ibadan in 2019 according to the story. The same Governorship aspirant politican who employed him to do campaign for 2023 is not aware that he jumped bail.

Who them won deceive?

So how could they afford to acquire guns?
People who were broke?

You know how much is one riffle?


This country, we never ready

AntiChristian:
Was God faithful to Job's children that was killed to test Job when he's clearly righteous?

Yes, he was Faithful to them!

Because, he gave them life and they were living the life until the tragedy. That is the Faithfulness.

Whatever later happened to them after that, wasn't God's doing

God's faithfulness is simply sustaining your life for you to manoeuvre yourself out of that difficult situation using your reasoning capacity all by yourself .

It does not take you being a believer or child of God to achieve that.
It is open to everyone who are willing to try legitimately something different whether you pray or not.

Dtruthspeaker:
the Bible shows that those cast in flames are tormented

that scripture do not actually mean flame of torment. It was a parable that draw analogy between the religion of the Jews and that of the gentiles.
Lazarus was a jew!
The jews according to their Judaism religion believed that when they die they will go to Abraham bossom where they will be comforted. So Lazarus was comforted with Abraham's riches after dying as a poor man, that's is what the Jews believe.
At the other hand, the rich man who was a gentile did not have Abraham to comfort him after he died, hence he was tormented perhaps in poverty and the table turned against him according to the law.
The poverty was so severe that he could not afford water to drink, so he begged Abraham and Lazarus for water.
Remember, at the other side Lazarus was the one begging for food.

But how was the word FLAME included in the torment which does not have any bearing to what Jesus was describing in the story, is a mystery itself.

Remember, the overall message of the parable is EVERYONE ARE SINNERS, BOTH THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES ALIKE, AND EVERYONE ARE JUDGED ACCORDING TO THE LAW.
a position the Pharisees refused to accept but see themselves that they are more righteous than the gentiles. Luke 16:14

Or does the mysterious includer of the word FLAME in the parable suggest that the rich man was burnt because he was a a rich man?
How then is it a sin to be a rich man?

Think over it

Dtruthspeaker:
Thank God you confess that second death is still death. And from Revelations we can see that both those who died like Adam still resurrected to be judged whether they shall die the death in "second death".

Exactly!

And throughout the Bible we all see that everything cast in fire, burns. So lake of fire is definitely a place that burns people

Your analogy here does not follow.

It does not follow because, everything cast in fire burns, we can observe this physically by burning any object, unlike the lake of fire mentioned in revelation which is a spiritual death or the second death.

What that means in the real sense is, those who were cast into the lake of fire after the judgement will never resurrect back to life.
That is, they are dead for good.

But those whose names were found in the book of life will resurrect after the judgement.

Resurrection is the ultimate purpose of Christianity.

Adam and Eve sinned there was death.
Therefore there was need to restore life back, by way of resurrection.

If you understand it from this point of view there is no picture of fire burning people

Food4Thought:
Bro understand nah.
Iran is winning the war only in Nigeria among the mullas.

Scriptures says whoever sinneth must die.

Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning and they died.
It was not fire burning them.

The judgement is death,
The judgement is not hell fire burning people.

Infact, the word hell means grave.
Which implies death.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Figuratively spoken)

The lake of fire or what people call hell fire is nothing but death.
Don't misinterpret it to some kind of fire burning people.

Something new has entered today!
Thanks op

So, Christians should not bother to prevent unfortunate incidence but later come and pray for healing after the damage has been done?

You did not vote against Tilubu during the election. Now want to pray that God should heal the damaged economy caused by the Tilubu you did not vote against?

You want God to heal kidnapping and banditry but you don't want to come out and protest against the evil people?

Y'all are jokin!

LordTosinJ:
There's no double standard here. I don't know how you can read all the scriptures I quoted above and still come to the conclusion that Hell is symbolic. it's mind blowing.

if possible, read the whole chapter, you will have a clear picture of what Jesus was trying to explain.
For instance,
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Obviously, Jesus was quoting the law.

So by the time you read Jesus saying .... but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.,
You should understand that he was also quoting the law which also states that the wages of sin is death

Think about it!

One thing is clear. Jesus used physical hyperbole 'pluck out your eye' to warn against a permanent spiritual reality HELL. take it or leave it.

No!
Read it again, there is nothing spiritual about what Jesus was saying, he was strictly talking about the law.
The law is not spiritual!

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

It's like there was a law in Israel against adultery and the punishment for it was stoning the person to death.
Then the person dies and goes to his grave.
Another name for grave is hell.

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Pluck it out means it is better not to commit adultery by looking lustfully at a woman, a crime that may lead to death, then the person will go to his grave which was what people call hell in those days.
So, you see there is nothing spiritual about what Jesus was saying.

Hell fire is not spiritual fire burning people.
It simply means grave.

If so be it, one may ask, how come the word fire is attached to it?

I think the word fire comes from burning of sacrifices or offerings to God, which were mostly animal meat whose remains got spoilt and were eaten by worms.

Another scripture says

Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Meaning, they keep using salt to kill the worms and to preserve the sacrifices for another burning all for the atonement of their sins

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

So burning of sacrifices was actually the hell fire Jesus was talking about.
It is nothing spiritual

LordTosinJ:
• Matthew 5:22 (ESV):
".... hell of fire."

I want to ask a question o

Why is it that when you people see the word hell fire in bible you will not bother to find the literal meaning,
But when you come across the word in the same chapter of the bible that says"if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it off " you are quick to find the literal meaning of right eye and pluck it off?

Or is that you people don't want to pluck your eye off?
And you want fire to burn other people's flesh?

Hell fire does not sound symbolic
But plucking your eye off sound symbolic.

Imagine the double standard

And the Jehovah and Allah are everywhere world-wide with Billions of adherents moving freely, while the cager is not known by anyone and is nowhere to be found.

With this reality who then is in cage?

It seems as if this JAMB CBT is making JAMB simple, unlike when JAMB used to be hard copy. Hope there are no scientific calculators and mathematical formulas aided in built softwares in those systems used by some of these CBT centres?

I thought you said initially that prayer and deliverance in church can solve the problem?

Since, that nollywood actress come accuse you falsely prayer nor be solution again?

Na so the other deliverance pastor, D. K Olukoya charge witch to court for accusing him falsely ,come abandon deliverance and prayer were he dey teach people .

Omo thank God for truth o

We give to people that are in need.
Pastors are not in need, they are rich.

Oya interprete it
What is the parable trying to say?

Emusan:
And to you this is eating with God.

This is very pathetic!

So, all these pastors were scamming Nigerians when they gave people the impression that they had supernatural abilities?

Emusan:
Where did Adeboye tell you he had eaten with God Almighty?

He shared it as a testimony

This is for Christians please, non Christians are not allowed

In living the kingdom life,
Living your life the way you are, even though you are a sinner, is far superior than making people believe that:
You are spiritually holy
You are without sin
You can see visions
You can do signs and wonders
You can speak in tongues
You can raise the dead
You can go to church and attend all services
You can heal the sick
You can raise the dead .

Yes, these gifts of the spirit are good.
But they are far inferior

Such that, when you speak on pulpit, everyone are scared and come trembling to you.
No one can stand tall enough to question you.

The beauty and happiness of the life is when you are aware that you will be resurrected with Christ the day you die
Also, when you see yourself using the knowledge of your profession and trade make meaningful impact to your society. And your existence in addition and subtraction of your imperfection, makes the world a better place at the end of your life here on earth.

All these are not achieved by being spiritually holy.

All the anointed men of God in all churches have stopped performing live miracles.

I remember those days pastor Chris used to do wonderful things on television screen.
Bishop Oyedepo had slapped a witch on pulpit.
Pastor W.F Kumuyi had healed a lamed fellow in a crusade
Pastor Enoch Adeboye had once eaten with the Almighty God or something mysterious.

Great things used to happen in those days, but all of a sudden, ever since covid 19, they all quenched

Now, we hardly see even malaria get healed.
Can someone please explain what is happening?

There is no such thing as born again, it is a scam
The only thing a Christian should remember is the day he was born into a Christian home, that is the only thing that makes him a Christian

If you were born in an Islamic home far north, how then will you possibly brag about being born again /
By now you will be in the mosque heading the ground 30 times per day.

So stop the bragging, it's by Grace

Usebog, you are disturbed because this kind of thing isn't normal and it will never going to replace normality.

A better and happy life is simply being normal

There are consequences of every sin you commit some of which persist for generations even after the death of the sinner.

That aside,
When you die in Christ after commiting the worst sin ever, that your death will free you from the consequences your sin.

But you might be born again with a different body into the same family and generation who are suffering the consequences of that sin you committed in your previous life making you to be partaker of the suffering, you never can tell.

There are many denominations because if you give 100 people a copy of the bible for example, to read at the same time, each one of them will have their own different interpretations.

It tells you how the human munds are confused.

Some people in this our generation go say na lie.
Na yahoo yahoo we know.

What a hopeless generation

Truvelisback:
Mention one country that doesn't experience one disaster or the other.

If there are more disasters in these countries than what is happening in Nigeria today, many Nigerians will not want to jappa.

Similarly, if Nigerian government fix roads and good public healthcare, accident rates and sickness will be reduced and no church will have any reason to cadjole people to praise God because their case is different sick people in hospitals

geoworldedu:
1st Edo. 4:13

13. This is crazy. How can a Nigerian like us end in the hell fire of the Israelite god? How is this possible? Is this not a foolish thought process?

14. I see foolish people quoting the books written from far Colosse, Ephesus, Philippi, Thessaloniki and even in the Hebrew land and they called all these things their actual realities?

15. This is the greatest foolishness of all time. I call on all we Edo people, let us reason well. Let us think deep.

16. Let us look inward and focus on our own things. Why should we follow after useless religions from the far middle east?

17. O you Edolites and to all Nigerians, now is the time to free our minds from mental slavery. Enough for the wise is a single word, not to talk of a huge epistle I have written. Peace to us all.

Unfortunately, your call on Edo people is waste of time and energy, because no Edo person will answer you