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Christianity Etc › "Man Was Banished, But Not Banned, From Heaven by PCHC(op): 4:23pm On Jan 28, 2024
[Genesis 3:24]

So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the Garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. [NKJV]

So He drove out the man and stationed cherubim on the east side of the Garden of Eden, along with a whirling sword of flame to guard the way to the tree of life. [BSB]

"MAN WAS BANISHED, BUT NOT BANNED, FROM HEAVEN"

In this bible verse above, God drove mankind out of the Garden [banished but not banned], then placed Cherubim at the East of the Garden [meaning mankind was driving out from the West of the Garden], and also set up special kind of “Laser Beam” or “Cutting Light” called “Flaming Sword” that turns all direction to guard the Way to the Tree of life.

Notice,
A. The purpose was not to guard the Tree of life, but to guard the Way to the Tree of life, making the Way harder.

B. The Flaming Sword – “Fire+Sword” was neither cutting nor burning any of the trees of the Garden, yet turned all directions.

C. The Cherub was not placed by the Tree of Life, but by the East Side of the Garden: Even the Cherub was not get to the Tree of Life himself, but he guarded the way to it.

Now understand, it appeared sending the man out of the garden's heaven did not get the man out, and so God rather drove the man out of the garden's heaven. God banished man from the garden containing the tree of life, and still placed His cherubim and flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life. It was not the devil that took those measures to deny mankind access to the tree of life, but God did so. In life, the devil does not care the Way you get things for yourself; but God cares and judges the way. In that case, the road map to gaining life (tree of life) became the road to getting killed or way to die for the life so desired. Man had to give up his life to gain the greater life (everlasting life) the tree of life offers. Any man who must get to the tree of life then must be killed either by the cherubim or the flaming sword. This is similar to the road map the Lord Jesus revealed to us, saying,

[John 12:24-25] — "Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone; but if it dies, it brings forth much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it. And he who hates his life in this world shall keep it to life eternal."

God drove the man out but He did not keep the man out. The cherubim and flaming sword were brought to keep/guard the way to the tree of life, but not to close or shutdown the way. It was to make the way to the tree of life harder, but not impossible, to the man from whence the man could just put forth his hand to take of the tree of life to where the man must now put forth his heart and his life for same access to the tree of life. Just as God was not blocking the man from eating food but made it harder for him (so that man had to sweat before he finds his food from the ground), so also God wanted the man to go through the losing of his life to find the eternal life such as is in the tree of life. This is about faith and value, not about rejection.

God drove the man out of the garden but brought cherubim and flaming sword into the garden to guard the way to the tree of life. In that realm, the way is the same as the door or gate. Having access through a way means having access through a door or gate. Supernatural Security Forces took over man's work in the first heaven or garden of God as soon as the man was driven or cast out.

Nevertheless, mankind now have a new and living Way, and a new and living Door, to access the tree of life; not just in that garden anymore where man was driven away from, but in a new and far better paradise and new City that is eternal through the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. This new Way or Door to eternal life is not a way that cherubim or supernatural security forces need to guard or keep; but the Way or Door that keeps cherubim and keeps everything in the New Heaven and New Paradise. The Lord Himself is the Way and the Door, and He is the Son of man.

Take up this Assignment:

[Revelation 22:14-‬15]—Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.


[Luke 13:25-30] — "And once the Master of the house has risen up and has shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us, and He shall answer and say to you, I do not know you; from where are you; then you shall begin to say, We ate and drank in Your presence, and You have taught in our streets. But He shall say, I tell you, I do not know you; from where you are. Depart from Me, all workers of unrighteousness! There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you will see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves being thrust out. And they will come from the east and the west, and from the north and the south, and will recline in the kingdom of God. And behold, there are last ones which will be first, and there are first ones which will be last."

Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 12:24pm On Jan 26, 2024
elated177:
Jeremiah 6: 16 This is what YHVH says:

“Stand at the crossroads and look;
    ask for the ancient paths,
ask where the good way is, and walk in it,
    and you will find rest for your souls.
    But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’[b]

[b] Isaiah 8: 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.


Hebrews 1: In the past YHVH spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

I am sure you have understood where I am going to with those Scriptures quoted above, PCHC?
Well you also omitted "2 Peter 1:17-21"

-- [2 Peter 1:17-21 GW] - - For example, we were eyewitnesses when he received honor and glory from God the Father and when the voice of our majestic God spoke these words to him: “This is my Son, whom I love and in whom I delight.” We heard that voice speak to him from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain. So we regard the words of the prophets as confirmed beyond all doubt. You’re doing well by paying attention to their words. Continue to pay attention as you would to a light that shines in a dark place as you wait for day to come and the morning star to rise in your hearts. First, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation. No prophecy ever originated from humans. Instead, it was given by the Holy Spirit as humans spoke under God’s direction.

If you understand this passage from "2 Peter 1" above, you will know that what "Hebrews 1:1" was saying is this: "In old times, God only spoke to us through the prophets" but in the last days, "God now speaks to us both through His Son and through His Prophets." Jesus Christ the Son was not a replacement of the Voices of the Prophets, but the major Addition or complement added to us." We are still getting spoken to by the Prophets of old times, but have a new privilege of also hearing from the Son of God besides hearing from the Old Prophets. So the Old Prophets and Ministers of God still have voices in the Oracle of God to us in the last days, even though the Voice of the Son of God is the
Chief or Captain over them all. Paul puts it this way, "We are built on the Foundations of the Apostles and Prophets (of Old), while Jesus Christ is the Chief Corner Stone. [Ephesians 2:20]

In plain language, Old Prophets and Ministers of God still speaks to us today as they did to those in their times, except that we have the privilege of hearing the Lord Himself, the Word of God made flesh. Yes, even angels still speaks or ministers to us, as well as the Saints of old that are part of the whole oracle of God to mankind from the first Adam. We must hear them and we must hear one another because the Spirit of Christ speaks in them and in us and through us to one another.
Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 12:03pm On Jan 26, 2024
Lukuluku69:
1. Can you quote for me what Moses and Elijah said about Jesus death at the Transfiguration?
-- [Luke 9:29-32 GW] - While Jesus was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became dazzling white. Suddenly, both Moses and Elijah were talking with Him. They appeared in heavenly glory and were discussing Jesus’ approaching death and what He was about to fulfill in Jerusalem. Peter and the men with him were sleeping soundly. When they woke up, they saw Jesus’ glory and the two men standing with Him.

This was much I have from the Bible reference: They were talking about Jesus' death, suffering and exit at Jerusalem. But the witnesses who were supposed to capture the full details of the discussion or message were sleeping or weren't paying attention. However, Peter shared that testimony in "2 Peter 1:16-21."

Lukuluku69:
2. Enoch did not die too according to the Bible.
Yes, Enoch did not die because he walked with God, and that means tree of life (Living forever). Whoever walks with God cannot die.

Lukuluku69:
3. But John the Baptist never joined Jesus in his Ministry neither were John's Followers.
As a matter of fact, John sent his Disciples To inquire from Jesus if there would be another one after Jesus.
John the Baptist wanted or desired to join Jesus Christ in ministry, and become His follower or disciple too; but the Lord Jesus Christ wouldn't allow him because the Lord Jesus Christ wanted John to continue on his own path and calling to fullfil all righteousness. This was the meaning of what John said to Jesus, "I wanted to be baptized of You, and You come to me?" And the Lord Jesus instructed John the Baptist, "Let it be so for now to fulfill all righteousness."

There were few others too that wanted to join the Lord Jesus Christ as His disciples or followers, but the Lord Jesus wanted them to instead handle another ministry or assignment He called them to do somewhere else. E.g. the former madman that was healed and delivered from legion of demons, begged to become one of the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ; but the Lord Jesus Christ would not, but sent him to go evangelize his community (Mark 5).

Even the Lord Jesus Christ said Himself, "I have other sheep (people) that are not in this fold (among His followers then); and that He will later gather them and join them together so that all would become one fold and He will be just the One Pastor (Shepherd) over all" [John 10:16].

Nevertheless, by the time the Lord Jesus Christ began to admit followers or disciples, John the Baptist was already locked up in prison. This means, John was first arrested before the Lord Jesus Christ began His own public ministry and calling disciples or followers. Soon after John baptized the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord Jesus went for 40 days fasting; and not long when He returned John was already arrested before the Lord Jesus Christ began preaching "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand." As it is written,

-- [Mark 1:12-15 MKJV] -- And immediately the Spirit drove Him into the wilderness. And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan. And He was with the wild beasts, and the angels ministered to Him. And after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God draws near. Repent, and believe the gospel.

So it's was not even as if John was free but refused to join the Lord Jesus Christ, but that John the Baptist had to be removed and replaced by the Lord Jesus Christ as the next Light-Bearer. So John was in prison hearing the miracles and teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, before he sent some of his disciples to ask the Lord Jesus Christ whether He was the one to come or should we expect another?
Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 3:47pm On Jan 25, 2024
Lukuluku69:
Op, did Elijah preached to Christians? If not, how can you say with your full chest that he was "Warning Christians"?
There was a time Moses and Elijah came to the Lord Jesus Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration, while Peter, James and John, were close by. They were speaking with the Lord Jesus and talking about His death and sufferings which He was about to experience in Jerusalem. As soon as they were done delivering their message and about to return to heaven, Peter and the other Christians who unfortunately were sleeping and weren't attentive to grab the details of the message or discussion began talking about setting up three tabernacle there on the mount, one for Jesus, another for Moses and the third for Elijah.

Elijah truly had been coming and speaking as witness from heaven, and not just him but some of God's messengers who still have their parts in witnessing even in the last days. Infact, in Revelation 11, two witnesses of God (men of God) who never died on earth before entering heaven and becoming part of heaven shall eventually be sent to walk the earth again and witness as men of God. Then they would later be get killed and die for the first time on earth: for it is appointed to man, "Once to die" or man can only die one times, and not more than once. Then in about three and half days, they would rise from the dead and ascend into heaven physically.

Elijah came in spirit in John the Baptist to prepare the way of the Lord Jesus Christ then, and Elijah comes even in our last days or era of Christians to prepare the way of the second coming of the LORD. Indeed, there are men who have already began to hear him as the Voice that speaks in the wilderness.
Christianity Etc › Distracted By Occupations by PCHC(op): 9:40am On Jan 25, 2024
Genesis 3:23]
therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. [NKJV]

So the Lord God sent them out of the Garden of Eden and made them cultivate the soil from which they had been formed. [GNT]

Therefore the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. [BSB]

DISTRACTED BY OCCUPATIONS

In this Bible verse, even though the main reason God was casting mankind out of the Garden (heaven) was to keep mankind from stretching out their hand and eating of the tree of life and thereby living forever by their own innovation or handwork, God wisely made it appear to mankind that it was for the purpose of tilling the ground or doing an earthly project (distracting them from setting their mind on spiritual, heavenly and eternal things, because they were occupied with goals, purposes and activities of earthly things - tilling the ground).

God began doing this to mankind, making them to focus and occupied on earthly or worldly things, neglecting the spiritual, heavenly and eternal things: thereby, God hides the most important purposes and secrets of eternal life from mankind, while they are busy chasing after vanities (tilling the ground they were taken from, but never able to take anything out of this world).

When God was banishing the man from the paradise of God, He made the banishment appear like He was drafting or sending the man to perform a course, a work or assignment somewhere else. Adam was the to be sent out by God from heaven (paradise/garden) to the ground to fulfill his husbandry purpose on the earth's ground. As it is written,
[Ecclesiastes 3:9-11] — "What do working people gain from their hard labor? I have seen the burden that God has laid on men to occupy them. It is beautiful how God has done everything at the right time. He has put the world in people’s minds so that mortals will not know what God is doing from the beginning to the end of time."

However, the Lord Jesus Christ sets His Disciples free from the bondage of living for earthly or worldly things, neglecting the spiritual, heavenly, needful and the eternal things. He instructed His disciples, seek first the Kingdom of God, and do not lay up treasure on earth but in heaven. Set your mind on things that are above in the heavens where Christ is sitted at God's Right Hand; not the carnality and distraction of earthly things.

Though the Book of Adam and Eve show us that Adam and Eve struggled to regain the Garden heaven instead of getting occupied with earthly things (tilling the ground), the Bible verse above painted the picture of God sending or casting them out but giving them a purpose or assignment for the ground just to occupy them.

If you are wise, you will set your mind and heart more on heavenly, needful, spiritual and eternal things, than your occupations, career, family, business, school, marriages, eating and drinking, and earthly things generally. Do not waste your lifetime, there's eternity after this life.
● ▪︎The mission for which God sent Adam out of the first heaven to do on the ground was to keep him far away from the tree of life in the heaven or garden.
● ▪︎The mission for which God sent Adam out of the first heaven to do on ground was to make him serve his sentence or penalties as suffering for his sin.
● ▪︎The mission for which God sent Adam out of the first heaven to do on ground was to occupy Adam until he dies.
● ▪︎The mission for which God sent Adam out of the first heaven to do on ground was a restitution to the ground, returning Adam back to the ground he was taken from, as God returned the woman back to the man she was taken from.
● ▪︎Basically the mission for which God sent Adam out of the first heaven to do on ground was to place Adam in position where all that God said to them would be fulfilled upon them.

Nevertheless, the banishment or mission ends when Adam is dead and then, Adam would be returning to the third heaven and to access the tree of life through the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 9:27am On Jan 25, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Read the passage below and explain it.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
No man has ascended up to heaven until the Son of man, but there were men that was taken into heaven. You must differentiate between "Ascending? Climbed into heaven" and "Taken/caught up into heaven."

Use this example: "No fish has ascended or climbed a mountain or tree outside water, but there are fishes that were caught up/taken up to a mountain or tree by birds or land animals that took such fishes up there outside the waters."

Before the Lord Jesus Christ came as the Son born of a woman, there were men of God that were taken or caught up into heaven either by the Hand of God, by Clouds, by visions, by angels, or by Chariots of fire and horses. Adam was caught up by God's Hand into the first heaven (Garden of Eden) as soon as he was made a living soul. Enoch was translated and caught up into heaven because God took him. Elijah too was caught up by chariots and horses that were heavenly, not earthy horses that cannot stand fire.

Moreover, entering heaven is as simple as entering the spiritual realms like a portal. So prophets of God such as Moses, Samuel, Isaiah, Michaiah, Ezekiel, etc. that saw God entered heaven in spirit though their physical bodies were on earth. Ezekiel was getting caught up by the Spirit even with his whole body.

Yet, none of these men ascended into heaven even though they have been in heaven. The idea is that, it's not by their own hands; they had grace or help to get into heaven, which means they did not ascend into heaven but they got into heaven or where taken there by God's helping Hand or grace. It's like God not wanting the man to stretch out his hand and take of the tree of life and eat and live forever, by his hand except by God's helping hand.

Don't forget in Jacob's dream, angels were ascending and descending heaven on the ladder; and so it is with angels ascending and descending on the Son of man, the Lord Jesus Christ. And Manoah saw the man of God (angel) ascending on the smoke of the burnt offerings.

The Word, "Ascend into heaven" means "Exaltation:" and the word "Descend from heaven" means "Humbleness." It comes with implications to say someone ascend into heaven. Such implications include:

[1.]. Whoever ascended or ascends into heaven is automatically "God" or "Son of God:" Lucifer tried to qualify as God by attempting to ascend into heaven, but failed: As it is written, "For you have said in your heart, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." -- [Isaiah 14:13-14]

But the Lord Jesus Christ was the Son of man who first descended from heaven and also ascended, qualifying as the true God or Son of God. As it is written, "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive and gave gifts to men." (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is the same also as He who ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things.) - [Ephesians 4:8-10 MKJV]

So the Lord Jesus Christ saying no man has ascended into heaven does not mean no man has being in heaven, but means no man is God enough to do so. Acts of the Apostles says, "For David has not ascended into the heavens, but David (in spirit or in heavenly realm) says himself, "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as a footstool to Your feet." Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God made this same Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." - [Acts 2:34-36 MKJV]

So we agree that whoever descended and ascended into heaven is God, even if He is a Man. As it is written, "Who has ascended up into heaven, or descended? who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? what is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you can tell? - [Proverbs 30:4 KJV]

[2.]. The second implication of saying one ascends heaven, but as God's Holy Hill, is that person is fully Worthy, Holy and Qualified in Righteousness; and that the everlasting doors will respect that person enough to open for him/her in the process of ascending. This is contained in this Psalm as it is written,

Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in His holy place? He that has clean hands, and a pure heart; who has not lifted up his soul to vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation. This is the generation of them that seek Him, that seek your face, O Jacob. Selah. Lift up your heads, O you gates; and be you lift up, you everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O you gates; even lift them up, you everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, He is the King of glory. Selah. - [Psalms 24:3-10 KJV]
Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 8:18am On Jan 25, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
So who are those that have received ranks in the kingdom of heaven before the Christ?
Remember that John is the greatest of all who has been born of women so John is greater than Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Elijah and whoever may come to mind because they're all born of women. smiley
Firstly, John the Baptist is not the greatest, neither is John the Baptist greater than those men of God you mentioned as quoted. The scriptures did not say John was greater than anyone, but said none born of a woman is greater than him. This means John the Baptist is just one of the greatest, but not the greatest.

In the kingdom of God, no man or angel is termed the greatest except the Lord Jesus Christ or God. So the highest ranks is for those classified as the "Rank of the Greatest."

John the Baptist only represented the greatest of souls or persons born of a woman, but it doesn't mean he was greater than all born of a woman.

To your question, "So who are those that have received ranks in the kingdom of heaven before the Christ?"

Part of getting a place in the Kingdom of God is getting a rank or level relative to the people and things in the Kingdom. It's Hierarchy, order and positioning. It's like in military, but far greater. Every angel, star, cherub or saint in heaven has a rank because he has a place in heaven. These three are important for identity of every one in heaven: Rank, Number or Name, and Class. As it is in heaven, so it is in the Kingdom of heaven.


What the Lord Jesus Christ was relating to us by comparing John the Baptist to every man on earth and then comparing John the Baptist to those in heaven is this:

The least person in the kingdom of heaven is far greater than the greatest person on earth. The least thing in heaven is greater than the greatest thing on earth. Heaven is far greater than the earth in all ramifications, to the degree that even the smallest or least thing in heaven is far greater than its counterpart on earth. E.g. the poorest man in the kingdom of heaven is far richer than the richest man on earth. Solomon in all his earthly glories and riches was not as glorious as the grass of the kingdom of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 9:27am On Jan 24, 2024
Ken4Christ:
Elijah didn't go to heaven. He didn't have the legal ground to go to heaven. He went to Abraham's bosom. This is where all the saints of old went to when they die or mysteriously taken away.

Yes, they saw him ascend. But I am very certain he descended from the sky to Abraham's bosom.

It was after Jesus resurrection that all the saints in Abraham's bosom were released and went with Jesus to heaven.
Not all the saints went to Abraham's bosom when they died by then, except Lazarus and perhaps few children of Abraham. There were other places where the saints were collected after they died depending on how they died. E.g. Those who were martyred or killed, such as Abel, were not collected in the same place with those righteous ones who died natural death like Abraham. Many saints had died before Abraham was born. So disabuse your mind about "Abraham's bosom."

However, Elijah was translated so that he should not see death: and therefore, Elijah became a spirit or immortal, which is beyond what could be held in Abraham's bosom or any place in hell beneath. Indeed, Elijah became as Angel of God in heaven, like Enoch.
Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 9:21am On Jan 24, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Yes of course!
He served when servants of God still CURSE those that offended them but i now know better that sinners are not supposed to curse sinners but pray for them {Luke 6:27-28} he slaughtered pagans while i allow them to see God's grace {Luke 9:51-55} no wonder Jesus (God's Son) said we (Christians) are greater than John the baptist who is also greater than all those born through women! Matthew 11:11
The Lord Jesus did not say Christians are greater than John the Baptist: Rather He said, "The Least of those in the Kingdom of heaven is greater than John the Baptist." There is great difference between those who have received ranks in the kingdom of heaven and Christians on earth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Foreordination by PCHC(op): 6:51pm On Jan 23, 2024
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Christianity Etc › Foreordination by PCHC(op): 6:48pm On Jan 23, 2024
[Genesis 3:22]

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— [NKJV]

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...” [BSB]

FOREORDINATION

Here you will understand that the program and dealing of God with mankind was changed, and the reason is clear. God had to change how he was relating or dealing with mankind because mankind had become unworthy of God’s first program and dealing with them by two reasons, one is breaking God’s commandment or covenant and two is knowing good and evil.

Keywords:
• Word of Knowledge
• Becoming as God(s) – may be good or evil
• How is that a fall when it is becoming as God?
• His hand – Not by hand, to live forever (immortality)
• Knowledge gained him God’s acknowledgement but took from him God’s trust


In the bible verse above, “The Lord God said…” and that which the Lord God said was the last word God said or spoken both in this chapter and in the bible’s account of Adam being in the paradise of Eden before the eventual fall of man out of Eden. And actually, in this word is the basic reason mankind was cast out of heaven (the first heaven or Eden); and therefore, the fall of man.

This Word of God in the Bible verse above was a “Word of Knowledge” that preempted the “Knowledge of good and evil” in mankind. Before the knowledge of good and evil could conceive in man the idea of eating of the tree of life and living forever, the “Word of Knowledge” or “Foreknowledge” of God said or revealed it to the Godhead. Before any knowledge reveals any thought/idea to you or to any man, the Word of Knowledge (Foreknowledge) would have revealed it to God already. This means, there is a preemptive or foreknowledge that predicts or foretell to God what every other knowledge would reveal to man. Example, in “Ezekiel 38:10” God revealed ideas or thought that will come into people’s mind beforehand.

O LORD, you have examined me, and you know me. You alone know when I sit down and when I get up. You read my thoughts from far away. You watch me when I travel and when I rest. You are familiar with all my ways. Even before there is a single word on my tongue, you know all about it, LORD. You are all around me—in front of me and in back of me. You lay Your Hand on me. Such knowledge is beyond my grasp. It is so high I cannot reach it. Where can I go to get away from Your Spirit? Where can I run to get away from You? If I go up to heaven, You are there. If I make my bed in hell, You are there. If I climb upward on the rays of the morning sun or land on the most distant shore of the sea where the sun sets, even there Your Hand would guide me and Your Right Hand would hold on to me. If I say, “Let the darkness hide me and let the light around me turn into night,” even the darkness is not too dark for You. Night is as bright as day. Darkness and light are the same to You? -- [Psalms 139:1-12 GW]

Back to the top bible verse above, where we see man becoming as God(s) but not sure whether that’s good or evil for the man. A question arose thus, “How is that a fall when it is becoming as God?”

Why do we say “The Fall of Adam” or “Fall of Man” if God admitted the man became as one of the Godhead? Shouldn’t that be celebrated as man’s achievement rather than mourning over that as man’s fall?

Becoming as God without God means a great fall. If you successfully become as God without God Himself making you as God, you are fallen. The fall of mankind and the fall of Lucifer were both linked to becoming as God without God’s doing or approving that. As it is written,

How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations! For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet you shall be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. - [Isaiah 14:12-15]

Even Lucifer attempted being like the most high, but without the Most High approving it with grace. The antichrist too would become as God without God approving it with grace, and that would become his great fall into perdition. As it is written,

Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. - [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJV]

Again,

Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus said the Lord GOD; Because your heart is lifted up, and you have said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet you are a man, and not God, though you set your heart as the heart of God: - [Ezekiel 28:2 KJV]

So the first mistake already made was Adam becoming as God (in knowledge of good and evil) without God approving that with grace. But the second mistake must be prevented, which would be “Adam becoming immortal” by his own hand (without God approving that with grace).

His hand – Not by hand, to live forever (immortality). In the top bible verse, the bible versions I cited mentioned something the man’s hand must not be allowed to do for the man to live forever. Some other bible versions did not mention hand, but hand of man was key in understanding the point here.

• It was by the hand of man that they became as God in knowing good and evil. It was not by the hand of the serpent or any angel, but by the hand of the woman, which also means by the hand of man.

• It must not be by the hand of the man for them to become immortal or live forever through reaching out his hand and taking from the tree of life.

Eternal life or immortality for man must be by God, not by man’s hands. You must be saved by grace through faith, not by your works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9). God does not want the tree of life to be what gives man eternal life; but wants man to have eternal life through Him (the Lord Jesus Christ) before man eats of the tree of life. So by the time we eat of the tree of life, we would have already gotten eternal life or already living forever before the tree of life becomes just icing of the cake.

Eternal life is inside the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not inside heaven for you to have it, neither is eternal life kept for you on a tree for you to go and get it there: Eternal life is kept for you inside God the Lord Jesus Christ for you to believe and abide in Him and He gives you eternal life for you to live forever through His Resurrection from the dead and endless life.

Behold, the man gained the Knowledge of good and evil and gained God’s acknowledgement but lost God’s trust. It’s like a boy-child who was getting the privilege of bathing among naked bathing women and ladies when he was without knowledge or ignorance as a little child; but as soon as the boy gained knowledge and aware of certain things, he gained some acknowledgment but lost trust or privilege of such exposures.

Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 6:10pm On Jan 22, 2024
Expanse2020:
I taught when helija went to heaven he didn't comeback again...
Abeg who come write all this narrative oo
Elijah has been coming back even after he was taken into heaven. E.g/


And His disciples asked Him, saying, Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first? And answering Jesus said to them, Elijah truly shall come first and restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but have done to him whatever they desired. Likewise also the Son of Man shall suffer from them. Then His disciples understood that He spoke to them about John the Baptist.
-- [Matthew 17:10-13 MKJV]


Behold, I am sending you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Jehovah. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the sons, and the heart of the sons to their fathers, that I not come and strike the earth with utter destruction.
-- [Malachi 4:5-6 MKJV]
Christianity Etc › 2024 Year Leap by PCHC(op): 6:07pm On Jan 22, 2024
2024 will, of course, be a leap year, and as we know, leap years occur once every four years to keep our calendar in line with the Earth's revolutions around the sun. However, from a spiritual perspective, we can see that this extra day can be viewed as a gift from God. The Lord has given us an extra day to use wisely, to glorify Him, and to serve others.

2024 is also a significant year from a biblical perspective. The Bible speaks of the number four being significant and representing the creation of the world, the four seasons, the four elements, and the four gospel writers. Four also symbolizes the four corners of the earth, indicating that God's message is universal.

Moreover, in Isaiah 43:19, the Lord says, "See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?" Let us be sure to be ready for this new thing the Lord is doing in the year 2024. Let us pray for increased discernment and wisdom to be sensitive to His leading as we move through this leap year.

As we ponder the significance of 2024 and the leap year, let us remember that time is a precious gift from the Lord, and we need to use it wisely. Let us strive to live our lives according to God's will, to honor Him, and to fulfill the purpose He has for us. Let us seize each day He gives us with gratitude and joy.

In conclusion, let us thank the Lord for the gift of time, for each day, and for the extra day He has given us in 2024 through the leap year. Let us commit to making the most of this extra day to love and serve Him, and to make a positive difference in the lives of those around us.

May God bless us all and give us His wisdom and guidance in all that we do in the year 2024 and beyond. Amen.

Wait!!!

That doesn’t sound like me.

I, Peterch, was born in 1984, which was also a “Leap Year.” And because a day, February 29, was added to that year during the count down to my emergence on earth, my Birthday therefore became “September 15th” instead of “September 16th” if that year was not a Leap year. You see how an extra day in a leap year changed the count down and worked to ensure I be born on September 15th, instead of September 16th, of the year 1984.

A day is enough to shift your position forward and ahead of that which it should have been. And may it not just be a shift, but a leap.

Joshua commanded and the sun stood still for a whole day, meaning that year was opposite of a leap year because one day was lost in that year instead of one day been added to the year as is the case in a Leap. Infact, more souls died that day from the war because the sun stood still and made one long day that should have been two days if the sun had stood still or frozen in motion. [Joshua 10:12-14].

Yea, that day was prolonged, but a day was not added. I teach you to rather ask the Lord to “Add to your days” than asking Him to “Prolong your days.” For the mercies of God are new every morning: great is the LORD’s faithfulness in each distinct day - [Lamentations 3:23 KJV]

Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 4:30pm On Jan 22, 2024
Naijanascam:
It's like you are only living in the spirit and stop using earthly things because black man is advancing spiritually instead of in physical development,activity and advancements.

This is laughable and shouldn't be repeated please
Again, in the sight of God, the Black race and Nigeria in particular is one of the most progressive nations and peoples in the program of God. As it is in the spiritual, so shall it manifest in the physical in the days to come.
Christianity Etc › Re: Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 10:03am On Jan 22, 2024
Naijanascam:
It's like this warning is only meant for Africans and Nigeria in particular.... The time you used to compose the above text is enough for you to think deeper about what kept the black race backwards
In my own evaluation, the Black Race is not backward in the sight of God compared to other races. What is your definition of backwardness? and what are your parameters?

Those who come to the faith in the Lord Jesus Christ may appear backward in carnal man's eyes, but spiritually they are advancing.
Christianity Etc › Elijah’s Warning To Christians After He Was Taken To Heaven by PCHC(op): 6:30pm On Jan 21, 2024
ELIJAH’S WARNING TO CHRISTIANS
AFTER HE WAS TAKEN TO HEAVEN



The Living water belongs to anyone who will drink it. You did not see it because you did not look for it; and you did not see Him because you did not seek to see Him.

Even the youngest disciples are taught where to find the Living water and how to drink from it daily. Is there no discipleship left? Did you not have a mentor to teach you this?”

Natural waters may run dry or absent in the some of the driest wildernesses, but the Living Water never runs dry nor absent in any wilderness or desert. The living water is available to sojourners at any time and in any place, if you stay on the right path. When you are on the right path it will always be close to you, so find it, drink it often, and never go far from it. This is one of the most basic lessons you must learn for where you are headed and what you are called to do.”

Everything on the right path changes over time. Even though you have been here before, it did not look like this. You must understand this for the journey. The familiar things you are looking for to give you bearings are not the same, and you are not the same. Therefore, your guidance must come from your heart, your spirit. You must see with the eyes of your heart more clearly than you see with these eyes, or you will not stay on the right path.

There is more than one path, and all but one go to a place you do not want to go. There are delusions, deceptions, distractions, and traps all along the path. They are all there to divert you from your purpose. It will take more discernment, more wisdom, and more courage to stay on the right path than anyone has.

One road mark you can trust to keep you on the right path is the Living Water: It is sure compass and guide in your map through any wilderness or way. Always walk close by the Living Water, and always drink it whether you are thirsty or not, so long as you can drink more. Do not lose sight of the Living Water, less you get lost.

You don’t think you’ve ever been as close to death as you were just a few minutes ago. But after drinking this Living Water, you don’t think you have ever been this alive. You have a mental clarity you don’t remember ever having except when you were before the throne. Just a few minutes ago you could hardly think at all. Now you wish you can be this way all of the time.

You not only can be this way all the time, but you must remain as you are now all the time. Whenever you are in the Spirit, you are before the throne of God. His kingdom is within. The King is in you. You are His temple. To walk in truth is to know this and to live in His presence.

Until one is born again they cannot see the kingdom. But just because they are born again does not mean that they see it. Few of those who are born again in these times are opening their new eyes, their spiritual eyes. Few who are coming here now have seen the kingdom. It is a marvel that any get this far with so little vision. This is why so few are making it through even part of the wilderness.

The Lord gave the warning, ‘Woe to those who nurse babes in these times’, or ‘Woe to those who keep their people in immaturity in the last days’ [Matthew 24:19, Mark 13:17, Luke 21:23]. His warning was true—this is the great tragedy of your time.

It is the tragedy of your generation to have brought in the greatest harvest of the age, but then lost most of it. There is an even greater ingathering coming, and this must not happen again.

There is great rejoicing at a single sinner that repents, and there is great lamentation when a single one falls away. There are not many true disciples because there are not many true shepherds (pastors). You have excelled at making converts, but you are not making them into His disciples. The Great Commission is to make disciples. The Lord gave a definition of what a disciple is, and we have few who make it even this far because you are not making disciples. This is the bane of your age.

The church leaders have given themselves to building organizations and churches more than building people. You do have some great ministries and organizations being raised up, but great saints are becoming rare. The great commission is not to go into the world and build great cathedrals, ministries and organizations; but go into the world and make disciples of the Lord.

This is why the judgment of teachers is even more severe. Your shepherds (pastors) have been feeding themselves and have not taken care of the people. Now the final battle is near. We have an army where even its leaders do not know how to fight. Right now few could even survive the first attack. There are already many needless casualties because of this.

I came at the beginning of the age to help prepare the way for the Lord then, and I have come again at the end of the age to prepare the way for Him again. I do this by helping to prepare His people. Now the first thing that must be done to prepare for Him and the times is to make the leaders into disciples. They will not know how to make disciples if they have not been disciples.

No one can make it on this path who is not a disciple, and they certainly won’t last long in the battle without being one. There should be multitudes that are on this path now, but there are few.

You are the generation that was given the greatest resources, the most knowledge, the most freedom, but so few have come to the knowledge of the truth. Where are the shepherds?”

The last shall be first. The generation emerging is called to be the greatest of all. Right now, it is in the worst shape of all. This happened on your watch. Even so, ‘where sin abounds grace does that much more abound.’ There is still grace available to change this if you repent.

The fabric of Christianity in your time is very thin. You are as weak and unprepared, but this path will prepare you, and I will help you. I was with John the Baptist to do this in his time.

It begins with repentance. You cannot stay long on this path without a strong foundation of repentance. You must be quick to see your sin—quick to see your mistakes and to correct them. Some of you are quick to see your sin and mistakes. This is helpful, but you have not been quick to correct them, and that can be your doom. Repentance is more than feeling sorry for your sin, it is turning from the sin.

Only a foundation of repentance will keep you humble enough to walk in the grace of God. Humility is to be teachable and dependent on the Holy Spirit. This has not been a foundation that many have built upon in your time. You must start with preaching and teaching repentance. You must start praying for the Spirit to come to convict of sin. Your generation hardly even knows what sin is.

I prayed for the judgment of God to come upon my own nation. Then I had to challenge the false teachers and prophets of my time. This is a basic duty of the prophets. Where are your prophets? Where are your apostles? Where are the shepherds who will protect God’s people from the great deception of your time? Why are the wolves allowed to devour God’s people right in front of them and they do nothing?

I was taken up so that I would not see death so that I could return to prepare the way for the Lord. The Baptist loved the people enough to warn them. He loved them enough to risk his life to tell them the truth and to stand for the truth that could set them free. Where are those that can be used to prepare the way for the Lord in your time? Where are those who will even risk being rejected for the sake of the truth?

Christianity Etc › Re: MY 2024 GREETINGS & CHARGE ~ Peterch by PCHC(op): 9:51am On Jan 20, 2024
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Christianity Etc › MY 2024 GREETINGS & CHARGE ~ Peterch by PCHC(op): 9:50am On Jan 20, 2024
Ministering to the Lord God and Father ranks greater than ministering to His People. Yet, all are important to Him, and He also ministers to you while you minister to Him and to His People. Just don't allow His ministering to you in the process of ministering to Him distract or turn you away from continuing and completing your ministering to Him, no matter how much you are receiving of Him while giving to Him. Still press to give to Him, for He is more important than those gifts you have gained or received of Him.

The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak: thankfully, it's not by might (strength) nor by power but by God's Spirit as the Lord said. Do not forget that you can pray in the flesh and you can pray in the Spirit. It could be like in your dream or trance, having your flesh or body relaxing while you advance in and with your spirit into the realms of God, seeking Him even when you already found Him, and ministering to Him beyond the rewards you are receiving of it.

The curtain was torn open when the Lord died for us on the cross, and the way of accessing the Holy of Holies through the Blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ) made available for all who come into the temple to seek Him. This temple is not just a building of Solomon or Zerubbabel at Jerusalem in the Middle East, but the temple within your body.

The flesh is weak, but you don't have to walk after the flesh nor led by the flesh, to come to your Lord God and Father of spirits. In the journey of coming to Him by the ways of the Spirit, seek Him more even when you already found Him and His angels. Elijah had left all, including leaving his first servant (that was willing to accept been left behind - unlike Elisha) while Elijah went to seek the Lord in far distance away, even though the Lord was reachable to Elijah wherever Elijah was or had been. Elijah could reach God anywhere and even opened or shut the heavens from wherever he was on earth, and yet he realized through Jezebel's threat that his fleeing is not over yet, and since there was fleeing for him to do there was seeking the Lord God for him to do therefore. In the battle, where you stopped seeking the Lord determines where you stopped advancing in the realms of His Salvation and Presence.

Elijah came to the place where angel prepared his food and fed him couple of times, where he rested. He had advanced from ravens bringing him food to where a widow brought him food; and then later he came to where angel of God brought or served him food physically. Yet, he sought the Lord in his journey on the strength of the angel's food for 40 days and nights still seeking the Lord at Mount Horeb.

There at Horeb, Elijah was still seeking the Lord God, whom he could hear audibly but did not see. The Wind, the Quake, and the Fire, all passed and did wonders, but Elijah did not see the Lord whom he was seeking in any of those Powers that were advertising themselves for him to possess them. Yes, Elijah was not seeking for powers to do more signs and wonders, either the powers of the element of fire, element of earth-(quake) or element of wind. Elijah matured above seeking the Powers or gifts of God to do miracles, signs and wonders before people; for Elijah was seeking God.

He couldn't stop seeking the Lord at Mount Horeb, and he had to relinquish his mantle or ministry to another man (Elisha) to succeed him because he would rather continue seeking the Lord than occupied with prophetic ministry. And then, no important place where the Presence of God was on earth around Israel that Elijah wouldn't travel to seek the Lord there beyond Mount Horeb. Even in the day the Lord was to take Elijah away from Elisha, Elijah traveled from place to place in that same day, from Gilgal through Bethel and Jericho, and crossing Jordan. By implication I say that since nowhere on earth called for Elijah to go in seeking the Lord, he was taken into heaven where the call of seeking the Lord God in the heavens continued, dropping his remaining mantle of ministry on earth when taken.

Now, we have this great privilege of not needing to seek the Lord God throughout the land of pilgrimage (on earth) first before we begin seeking Him in the realms of the heavens. You don't have to travel through Israel or go various places seeking the Lord or His Kingdom, because the Kingdom of God (which you should seek first) is within you in heavenly/spiritual realms via the Spirit. Seek first the Kingdom of God, but seek the Kingdom of God within you. The primary purpose for you to be "Born Again" is for you to see or enter the Kingdom of God. Many people are 'born again' but they are neither see nor entering the Kingdom of God; and the reason is because they are not seeking the Kingdom of God. Seek and you shall find; but seek first the Kingdom of God, and all other things shall be added to you so you don't have to seek them anymore.

If you are 'born again' and you are not seeking or seeing the Kingdom of God and God of the Kingdom, your being born again is getting wasted day by day.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test The Spirits, Against False Ministers Of The Gospel by PCHC(op): 3:52pm On Jan 03, 2024
herlecks:
Thanks, got even more. How trusted are these books?
Just use discretion and allow the Spirit of God to lead you with the scriptures while reading those books.
Christianity Etc › Re: Finally, The Truth About "Trinity" Is Cleared: (father, Son And Holy Spirit) by PCHC(op): 1:26am On Dec 31, 2023
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Christianity Etc › Finally, The Truth About "Trinity" Is Cleared: (father, Son And Holy Spirit) by PCHC(op): 1:26am On Dec 31, 2023
Again, the following excerpts I have extracted from a book written by Professor Iyke Nathan Uzorma, titled, “SECRETS FROM HEAVEN.” They are not mine, but I share them here.

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UNVEILING THE MYSTERIES OF THE GODHEAD (3)
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THE LORD OF LORDS


The Lord spoke further to me, saying:

“Harbinger of the Last Covenant, remember the coming of your Lord into the world of man, even My coming in the order of the Son, in which I was Called Jesus Christ. That particular manifestation of Myself as the Son of God is from the everlasting, an d is far greater than each of the manifestations of My Seven Spirits.

“Behold, Adam, Enoch, Noah, Melchisedec, Isaac, Moses and Elijah, are far below the very manifestation in which I died on Earth for the sins of the world and rose again from death. O ye Iyke Uzorma, Harbinger of the Last Covenant, bear witness that your Lord Jesus Christ was not the manifestation of one of the Seven Spirits of God.

“Your Lord then came as the Supreme Manifestation of the sum-total combination of all the Seven Spirits of God put together. Your Lord Jesus Christ is the perfect fill strength of the Seven Spirits of God in total consummation. Behold, your Lord Jesus Christ is the Perfect God; the Perfect Son of God; and, verily, He is the Perfect Son of Man.

“Remember also in the book of Revelation (5:6), how I revealed Myself as the Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes, which are the Seven Spirits of God. That I revealed Myself thus shows My manifestation as the sum total of the Seven Spirits of God.

“I am the Seven Spirits, even the Holy Spirit; l am the Son, and, behold, I am the Supreme Father of all. I am far beyond all you know of My manifestations. I hold the keys of life and death in all the known realms and the unknown realms of My creation. I am the Godhead; behold, I am everywhere at all times managing all things; and he who comes to Me is free in eternity.

“Son of man, the life of spirits, angels, men, demons, every creature, even the Prince of Darkness, are completely under My control. I control all things while I, even I, thy Lord, am beyond control.

“O ye Harbinger of the Last Covenant, Iam the Seven Spirits which came into the Earth as the Messengers of Light. I am the Son who gave My life for the sins of the world; and I am the Father, the Owner of the Vineyard, whose coming at the fullness of time on Earth brings forth judgement. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

As soon as the Lord said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear, “the Holy Spirit returned me to the world of my physical abode. Then I praised the Lord God Almighty.

THE SECOND ADVENT

I learnt from the Lord, however, that His next coming to the Earth, after the coming in which He was known as the Son of God, (Our Lord Jesus Christ), shall be mainly not only in the order of the Son of God, but in the final order of the Father of Creation.

For instance, we found in Revelation chapter 1 verse 4 that the Almighty Father is referred to as the One “which is, and which was, and which is to come.” The One which is to come therefore is the Father of Creation, with the Son (Lamb) to establish the “Throne of God and of the Lamb” (Rev. 22:4) on Earth.

The coming of God as the Father also includes the One who came as the Son. The Seven Spirits are also included, even the Angels and mighty Beings of the realms of God, as well as the First Fruits of the Lamb. Please take time to study the parable of Our Lord Jesus Christ, as recorded in Matthew chapter 21 verses 33 to 41.

There you will have a clear understanding of the Divine manifestation of the Almighty Father into the world of man at the fullness of time. Children of men, the vineyard in this parable stands for the world of man. The husbandmen mentioned by the Lord are both religious and political leaders of the Earth that killed the prophets. The servants sent at one time or the other by the owner of the vineyard, are the saints and prophets of old. The Son sent by the Owner of the vineyard, is Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of God. While the Owner of the vineyard Himself who came at last, is the Supreme Father of the Universe. It means that the Divine manifestation of God (as the Father) with the clouds of Heaven (Rev. 1:7) is the ultimate consummation of what we believers know as ‘The Second Advent.’

The glory of God came forth and covered me, whilst I stood in spirit in the midst of His Almighty Power; the Power which came with the clouds of Heaven. From the midst of this cloud, a mighty voice, the Word of God, came to me saying: “Son of man, whom I have called and set apart to walk on the path of My Power, My Righteousness, even My Wisdom, now consider this:”

He continued with a question, saying: “Thy Lord and the children of men who serves the other?” I answered and said: “O my Lord, Thou knowest.” And He said to me:

THE DOER OF ALL THINGS

"Son of man, who washes your clothes and sweeps your house? Who cooks your meal and serves you to eat? Who provides your food and clothes you? Who takes away sickness and death from the midst of thee? Who is your driver that drives you on the streets?

“Son of man, who fights the battles of life for you, even the battles that you know not? Who guides you in the day and in the hour of the night? Behold, I, thy Lord, do all these and more. I do all these for the children of men and for every creature in all the realms of existence.

“Daily I serve My children on Earth in diverse ways more than they think that they serve Me.

“Know this therefore that I am the Chief Servant of the Universe, and, behold, I am Supreme Enjoyer.

“I am the Servant, the Servant of servants; I am Supreme in service and in mastership, O son of man.

“I create, maintain and serve every creature. But I am the only Servant, the dear most Servant, the true Servant of all that serve Me in spirit and in truth. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

As I heard these from the Lord, while still in spirit, I remembered what Psalm 127 verse 1 says, that: “Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman watcheth but in vain.”

HE SERVES US BETTER

When at last the Spirit of the Lord returned me back to the Earth, I recognised the workings of His mysterious Power, especially towards those who are on the path of Light and righteousness, by His grace. I learnt a spiritual lesson, that if one is a true servant of the Lord God Almighty, who is on the path of Light, the Spirit of Our Lord Jesus Christ does all things for him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Incarnations And Reincarnations Of 7 Spirits Of God by PCHC(op): 1:16am On Dec 31, 2023
THE HIDDEN TRUTH

One thing I observed is that while the Lord was speaking to me about the manifestations of His Seven Spirits in human forms, He did not follow the order of their manifestations. Such as Adam, Enoch, Noah, Melchisedec, Isaac, Moses, and Elijah. Rather He spoke of Melchisedec, Enoch, Elijah, Adam, Isaac, Noah and Moses.

The reason for this was not made known to me. However, the Lord taught me in spirit that when one of the Seven Spirits comes to the Earth in a human form, the greater portion of that Spirit of God does not inhabit the human form. While a specific amount of that Spirit takes the human form, the greater portion of the same Spirit resides and operates in the eternal realms of Universal Spirit.

The human form therefore becomes one of the multidimensional projections that the Spirit of God, (One of the Seven Spirits of God) takes in multifarious manifestations. The very Spirit of God in manifestation in a human form and in multitudinous projections, is more than the sum-total of the human form and His multidimensional manifestations in various systems put together.

Yet such projections of Himself, as well as the human form that He takes on Earth, are eternally one with Him with that portion of the Spirit of God from whence they emerge. This is a mystery. The Lord also spoke to me, saying:

“Son of man, these Mighty Ones, even Melchisedec, Enoch, Elijah, Adam, Isaac, Noah and Moses, each was the first manifestation in human form of the particular portion of the Seven Spirits from whence they came. Each of the Seven Spirits of the Lord thy God has other manifestations, both as humans and other forms, which the children of men do not recognise as such.”

Then the Lord spoke to me of myself in a manner which I shall not reveal. And He spoke further, saying:

“Behold, John the Baptist was also a manifestation of one of the Seven Spirits of your Lord. But it was the portion of the Seven Spirits that came as Elijah that also reappeared as John on Earth.

“Of a truth, the Spirit of your Lord that became Adam also at the same time became Abel, even the seed of righteousness. The portion of My Spirit that was Enoch later returned to the Earth as Joseph; Daniel was the portion of My Spirit that first came as Melchisedec; while Job was the portion which came as Noah.

“There were portions of My Spirit, O son of man, which took human forms and lived in Europe, Persia, America, China, India, Africa, the realm of the Arabs and other places, but are not known as such among the children of men.”
Christianity Etc › Incarnations And Reincarnations Of 7 Spirits Of God by PCHC(op): 1:15am On Dec 31, 2023
Perhaps it might interest you to read about the Incarnations and Reincarnations of the Seven Spirits of God, which incarnated as Adam, Enoch, Noah, Melchizedek, Isaac, Moses, and Elijah; and later reincarnated or retuned as Abel, Joseph, Job, Daniel, and John the Baptist. Or perhaps you need to know that the Lord God is neither Male nor Female, but both and beyond.

Again, the following excerpts I have extracted from a book written by Professor Iyke Nathan Uzorma, titled, “SECRETS FROM HEAVEN.” They are not mine, but I share them here.

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UNVEILING THE MYSTERIES OF THE GODHEAD (2)
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DIVINE VISITATION

It came to pass, after all that I discussed with Ambassador Yuri that morning that in the night of the same day the Lord appeared to me and stood in my prayer room. This divine visitation was physical, for the Lord sat down and commanded me to write at the same time all that He would say. Then Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ spoke to me and said:

“Harbinger of the Last Covenant, I have come to show you part of the mystery of My Being, for I am the Lord thy God. All that you made known to My son Yuri in the morning were brought forth by Me and represents the truth of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, which for ever is One God. I am the source of all things, I am the mystery of the beginingless of God, and behold, l am the end and the endless.”

As the Lord spoke these words, immediately I was in spirit and saw the planets, stars, moon and the sun coming out of His mouth. Thereafter I saw myself standing alone in the space whilst the Sun appeared before me. The Sun changed to a burning fire and the face of the Lord of the Universe appeared in the midst of it. Then He spoke to me with a strong voice, saying:

KNOW MORE ABOUT GOD

“Son of man, I, thy Lord, can only be experienced. And everyone experience Me. Whether one knows it or not, he experiences Me through his existence, in every moment of his life.

“Behold, I am neither male n or female, yet I am both and beyond. In the most irrevocable truth, on the Most High dimension of My reality, I am neither human nor a personality in earthly terms. “The human concepts of form and personality are too minute and greatly limited to contain and comprehend the multitudinous, nay the endless facets of My multidimensional infinite existence. But again I say to you, I am human; behold, l am a portion of each human Being and of every creature.

“Son of man, know also and understand that within the eternal vastness of My Almighty Omnipresence experience, there is a unit by which I identify Myself and hold the ‘Idea-shape’ of Myself as human. It is through this unit that I relate with mankind and gives man the grace to relate with Me.

“Through this unit of Myself, O son of man, the Spirit of your Lord proceeds from time to time out of the fountain head of the Godhead to manifest or appear in the world of man, in a human form, or in other forms known and unknown to man. You have read in the Holy Scripture that your Lord has Seven Spirits.”

THE SEVEN SPIRITS

The 4th chapter part of verse 5 of Revelation says: “And there were Seven Lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the Seven Spirits of God.” And the Lord spoke further to me, saying:

“Behold, each of the Seven Great Spirits is Supreme and they are Mighty Powers of the Almighty God. By them I, even I, created all things. By them I created the seven major systems of reality, or planes of life, which are within the order of the four major realms of existence.”

I learnt from the Lord, even before this time that He spoke to me, that the whole creation are in four order within the framework of seven systems. The four order of creation are the higher planetary systems (heavens), the middle planetary systems where our Earth belongs, the order of endless universal sea and the lower planetary systems, also called ‘under the Earth,’ Revelation (5:13) spoke of “every creature which is in heaven and on Earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea.” The Lord spoke again to me saying:

“There are seven systems of existence, which are created by My Seven Spirits. These planes are that of the protoplast, earth, plant, beast, man, angel and cherubim. Son of man, unknown to some who believe in Me, the Seven Great Spirits of the Lord thy God, each had manifested on earth and lived as human.

“This happened even before my coming into the world of man, in the full combined strength of the Seven Spirits, in which I was known as JESUS CHRIST. And this continues even after that. My coming into the world then was in the position of the Son of Man.

“I revealed Myself among men as the Son of God, but, behold I am God for ever. When my Spirit takes a human form among men, such Divine Manifestation lives and works for ever in the pool of My Universal Spirit.”

THE ANCIENT MELCHISEDEC

His Word came forth with power, as He spoke to me in His appearance from the Sun that turned into fire. He continued:

“Now, O son of man, who do you think was the Being known as Melchisedec? Behold, he was a Divine Manifestation of one of the Seven Spirits of the Godhead. He came to the Earth as a Messenger of Righteousness who prospered in the world of man.”

The Holy Scripture speaks of Melchisedec in Hebrews chapter seven. From the first to the fourth verse we read:
“For this Melchisedec, King of Salem, Priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation king of righteousness and after that also king of Salem, which is King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.”

It may be recalled that in Genesis chapter 18, the Lord God physically visited Abraham as a human and even ate food in his house. The record has it that the Lord visited Abraham with two men who were Angels in disguise. The Lord and the men sat under a tree wherein they ate food and blessed Abraham.

Now the question is: who was this Lord that came physically to Abraham as a human Being and ate food like the children of men? In answer to this question, let me recall what I wrote in my book entitled ‘The Greatest Revelation of Our Time Vol. 1. There I stated:

“Even Melchisedec was the Spirit of God who came to the Earth then and served as Priest of the Most High God. And it was he who gave blessings in those days to our father Abraham. Melchisedec came to the Earth without earthly father and mother: And even though it was said that all have sinned, he was not only recognised as a righteous man, but was even called ‘King of Righteousness,’ a title which belongs only to God. It is further reported in the Holy Scripture that Melchisedec had no beginning of days nor end of life. And I learnt from the Lord that, verily, Melchisedec was the God of Abraham.”

CODED KNOWLEDGE

When the Lord told me in Spirit that the Seven Supreme Spirits of the Almighty God have all appeared and lived as human Beings in the world of man, I knew that many believers past and present are not aware of this, as this is not part of the general teachings of Christianity.

Nevertheless, I discovered that even the foremost evidence of this is found in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures presented this in divine codes that only the Holy Spirit can properly decode.

THE PROPHET ENOCH

After speaking to me about Melchisedec, as a manifestation of the Spirit of God among men, the Lord further spoke to me saying:

“Son of man, behold, Enoch was another manifestation of the Spirit of God, even My Spirit, among men. Enoch came forth from Me and lived with the children of men by the mystery of My Being. “He stood as an ancient Prophet, but, behold, he was more than a Prophet before Me. For by him the Words of the Lord thy God became established upon the rock beyond the circle of the Sun. And it came to pass that at the end of his mission in the world of man, which was to record and report the activity of everyone in his time, that he returned to the pool of My Spirit wherein is his portion.”

The Holy Scripture has it that at the end of the mission of Enoch on Earth, he disappeared from the human world without death in earthly terms. Genesis (chapter 5 ver ses 23 to 24) says: “And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him “

The Living Bible has it thus: “When he was 365, and in constant touch with God, he disappeared, for God took him.” As the Lord was speaking of Enoch, I later considered that by leaving the Earth without death, Enoch in his time was the living seal and true symbol of the Almighty God on Earth.

THE MYSTERIOUS ELIJAH

Furthermore, the Lord spoke to me saying: “Son of man, who do you think was Elijah?” Then I answered and said, “O my Lord, I know not; for I know nothing except that which You grant that I should know.” Then He said to me:

“Son of man, behold, Elijah was a manifestation of one of the Seven Spirits of the Lord thy God. Through him, the Omnipotence of the True God was established in his time over the messengers of darkness, even the idols of the children of men.”

When I took time later to study the life of Elijah in the Bible, I further learnt certain things in connection with the fact that he was God’s Spirit which appeared on Earth, as the Lord told me. For instance, prophets set forth spiritual decrees upon men, nations and elements by the Word of the Lord God spoken through them. But we are told that at a time Elijah made a decree according to his word. This is recorded in 1st Kings chapter 17 verse 1. There we read: “And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.”

I learnt from the Lord that when His Spirit takes a human form to live in the world of man, the word of such an empowered Divine representative of God prevails over all the elements of nature. Here we found that Elijah did not say ‘according to the word of the Lord,’ rather he said ‘according to my word’.

This is so because he was the Spirit of God in manifestation, a bona-fide representative of God in the world of man. Remember also that Elijah finally left this world without death in earthly terms. In the second chapter of second Kings, it is written: “And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked that behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder, and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.”

THE PRIMORDIAL ADAM

Again, the Lord spoke to me, saying:

“Son of man, behold, the primordial Adam was the first manifestation of the Spirit of your Lord in the world of mankind. Adam was set apart to dominate and rule the Earth.”

“Remember what Genesis (2: 7) says: ‘And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.’ Son of man, this means nothing else than that Adam was an expansion of your Lord, a direct projection of My Spirit, sent forth to experience life in the world of gross matter.

“Understand that the body of man is not the real man, but a house of that which is beyond; a temple which I made for Myself. Behold, the earthly body of Adam, formed out of the dust of the ground, was dormant, it was lifeless when it was made.

“Yea, it remained on this state until ‘The Breath of Life’ from Me entered in to it. Then Adam became a living Soul. He became a concentrated unit, the first individualized human unit, of the Spirit of thy Lord on Earth.

“Adam therefore sprang up from My Spirit, as all things came from Me. But Adam became the highest and the most concentrated unit of My Spirit known in all the realms of mankind, of the beast, of plant, of the element, of the Earth and of protoplast.

“Son of man, the ‘breath of life’ is not a creature but it creates. It was not created because it is the Spirit of your Lord which has no beginning and cannot end. The breath of life, which became Adam, is My Spirit. My Sprit, O son of man, is the Life Current of the Godhead, that is forever one with God. There is no point in which it ends and begin.

“Therefore by breathing My Spirit into Adam, he immediately became a manifestation of My Spirit. But learn this, Harbinger of the Last Covenant, that the projected drama of the fall of Adam was not unknown to Me from the day he was made. Rather this was disguised to enrich the multidimensional systems of My creation, from a point of reference hitherto unknown in earthly terms.”

THE BLIND ONE

The Lord spoke further to me, saying: “The Prophet Isaac, son of Abraham, was also a manifestation of one of the Seven Spirits of your Lord.”

My later studies of the life and works of Isaac also revealed that of a truth, as spoken to me by the Lord, he was a consummate representative of the Lord in his time on Earth.

Isaac was even conceived not by the process of sexual act, for his parents had transcended such system of life at that time. For instance, then Abraham was one hundred years whilst his wife Sarah had reached her menopause. The Scripture in Genesis (18: 11) spoke of them thus: “Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well striken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.”

That “it ceased to be with Sarah a fter the manner of women “means that she was in her menopause, the end of her menstrual period. To this end, she had lost all biological ability to conceive and bear a child via sexual act. This was also why she laughed scornfully at the Lord’s promise of making her bear a son in her old age.

In this promise itself lies the foremost Scriptural evidence that Isaac was God’s Divine Spirit in manifestation. To this end, God told Abraham in Genesis (18: 10) that: “I will certainly return unto thee I according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son.”

The expression “I will certainly return unto thee,” was used by God to show that He (His Spirit) was the one that would return to Abraham and be born on Earth as the son of Sarah. And truly He returned as spoken at that time and manifested in the world of man via Abraham and Sarah. This divine manifestation, this Spirit of the Lord, was Isaac.

Furthermore, we found in the Holy Scriptures that Isaac himself even spoke on Earth as a true divine representative of God on Earth. In Genesis (27: 37), after Jacob had taken the blessings of Esau from Isaac by means of manipulation, it came to pass that the blind Isaac told Esau: “Behold, I have made him thy lord, and all his brethren have I given to him for servants.”

Here Isaac did not say ‘God has made him your lord’ or ‘all his brethren has God given to him for servants’. Rather he made it clear that “I” (Isaac himself) did it. This should not be taken to be ordinary. No one can give what he does not have. No one can run beyond his shadow.

The words spoken by Isaac to this end proceeded from his ultimate identity as the Spirit of the Lord in manifestation, which is eternally one with God. The Lord brought this understanding to me in spirit. The words also which he spoke on the platform of the “I” the Spirit of the Lord which was himself, fulfilled as pronounced by him.

NOAH THE SAVIOUR

The Lord spoke to me and said:

“Behold, Noah was another manifestation of one of the Seven Spirits of your Lord among the children of men.“ He said again: “Son of man, verily, Noah was sent forth from the realm of the Highest and set apart to save the world in his time. And it came to pass that he saved the world by My Word.” The Lord spoke further to me of Noah and said: “Son of man, by the ark he saved remnant, even of his seed, from the great flood. This was done that they would replenish the Earth as ordained by Me. “

In speaking of Noah, the Scripture (Gen. 6: 9) says: “These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a Just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.” In Romans (3: 10) it is said, “there is none righteous, no, not one.” And in the same chapter verse 23 we read: “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Now, whereas it was said that all have sinned, we found as already stated that this did not apply to Noah.

This is because he was a manifestation of a portion of God’s Spirit, who came in those days to save the world, he was not categorised among “all that have sinned”. It was said of Noah that he was both just (righteous) and perfect. This took place in the strength of what he was: God’s Spirit in manifestation.

THE GOD MOSES

While in spirit, in the presence of the Holy Face of the Lord my God, which appeared and covered the Sun that was powerful than fire, He spoke again to me, saying:

“Son of man, consider how great Moses was before thy Lord. For, behold, he, even Moses, was a manifestation of one of the Seven Spirits of the Lord thy God. Moses was ordained and set apart to operate on Earth even as God. While in the world of man, Moses, as the Spirit of God, acted as God, and his brother Aaron acted as his prophet.”

It may be recalled that it was said unto Moses by the Lord God Almighty (Exo.7: 1): “See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy Prophet” Here the small letter “g” was used in reference to Moses as a god to Pharaoh. However in another place (Exo. 4:16), the capital letter “G” was used with regards to Moses as a true Spirit of God in manifestation. There we read: “And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shall be to him instead of God.”
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The following excerpts have I extracted from a book written by Professor Iyke Nathan Uzorma, titled, “SECRETS FROM HEAVEN.” They are not mine, but I share them here.

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UNVEILING THE MYSTERIES OF THE GODHEAD (1)
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Ambassador of the Republic of Ghana in Saudi Arabia, once came to see me. I received him and he spent some days with me. During the period in which he was with me, we often discussed such spiritual matters that elevate the consciousness of man to the glory of the Lord.
One morning, after our morning devotional service, Yuri came to me. That was after he had read my published interview with the BBC Radio, London. When he came that morning, he sat down and said: “Harbinger, your interview with the BBC greatly ministered to me. It opened my eyes to more spiritual realities.”

Then he looked at me for a moment and added: “I do think at times that you are a custodian of the mysteries of life.” Upon hearing from Yuri, the Word of the Lord came to me, saying: “Accept not the praise of man.” Then I told him in reply that I am not what he thinks of me.

I am convinced that no one is an island of knowledge, whilst the true value of knowledge is the ability to communicate it to others. Furthermore, Yuri said: “But, Harbinger, your publications reveal that you speak from a dimension far beyond the ordinary human level. Many, after reading your books, have also attested to this.”

THE GOD OF YESTERDAY AND TODAY

At this point I took time to explain to Ambassador Yuri that when one takes time to study the Holy Scriptures, he would discover that people like Paul, Daniel, Ezekiel, Moses, Elijah and others, spoke to the earthmen from a higher dimension of spiritual reality.

The One Spirit of Eternity of the Almighty God, which manifested higher spiritual experiences in these men, by which they led others on the path of God realization, is ever present among us to do even more. The Spirit of God is ever ready to speak to man, especially to those who have ears to hear.

Nevertheless, the recognition of the Holy Spirit solely depends on the measure of God’s grace upon a person and the level of one’s consciousness in the spiritual scale. This is so because all men are not on the same level of awareness as far as physical and metaphysical matters are concerned. Even in pure spiritual matter of the Kingdom of God, the fruits of those therein are on diverse levels

DIVERS LEVELS

Our Lord Jesus Christ said (Math. 13: 23) that the fruits of those in God’s Kingdom are in three major categories, such as thirty, sixty and hundred. This shows different levels of spiritual consciousness or degrees of awareness.

*1* Now, in the mundane level, that is the lowest level of material existence, the earthman lives under the sway of ignorance, wrong thinking, blind faith and darkness. Within this framework of existence, he is bereft of the inner divine ability to think and act within the system of the Holy Spirit.

Such people can’t even think and act for themselves. Rather they base their lives on the thoughts and opinions of others without their own conviction. These are the so called multitudes. Among them are both rich and poor, great and small, whose thoughts, words and deeds are worthless in all the higher realms of God’s creation.

By virtue of blind faith and ignorance, the multitudes become tools of confusion. Yea, some become even agents of the mighty dark astral vicious warriors and great spirits of terror, in the guise of religion. Beyond this mundane level of blind faith and ignorance, one may rise above the multitudes. Thus, he may come to the mental realm of consciousness.

Consequently, one on this level dwells much on mental analysis and logical speculation on matters of life, whether physical, metaphysical, or spiritual. One on this level may greatly awaken, within the faculty of his mind, the positive awareness of intuitive perceptions. This can be used by him to advance the course of his life even in the realm of religion.

On this level also, one may awaken the mind’s negative subjective faculty and be controlled by vicious hallucinations and illusory phantasmagorias. The realm of the mental, wherein dwells many in the world of man, is colossal yet it has a limit.

*2* When one comes to the spiritual platform of existence, the realm with unlimited variegated levels, then one may be fortunate to come to the final level available to human Beings in this system. In this final level, however, one would recognize that divine illumination of the soul is the bonafide path of the highest revelation and Light of the Almighty God.

This recognition leads to direct spiritual awareness, both in the world of man and in the realms beyond. It is on this level of spiritual consciousness that one could, by the special grace of God, meet face to face with the Lord of the Universe.

One who has had this experience could, still by His special grace, be empowered to become a true agent of God among men.

On this level, one will speak the Word of God in the world of man on a transcendental platform that could bamboozle logical speculation, blind faith, organised religion, and subtle hallucinations emanating from the realm of deception. One on this level also will speak and move in the strength of the Holy Spirit.

The meeting with the Lord face to face will always bring forth elevation of one’s operation in the realm of the Spirit of God. These were all the points I discussed with Ambassador Yuri that blessed morning.

MEETING WITH THE LORD

He asked me again: “Man of God, are you saying that it is possible for a human Being to see God face to face?” Furthermore, I spoke to him from my personal experience in this regard. Though every experience makes sense solely to the experiencer, nevertheless, I have met the Lord face to face several times, both physically and spiritually.

Yuri could not understand this. He thought that this experience contradicts the Scriptures. “This experience, does it not contradict the Scripture (John. 1: 18) that says: “No man has seen God at any time?” This was another question put to me by His Excellency, Yuri Kwaku Baawine, that morning.

THE MYSTERY OF GOD

Then I took time once again to explain that the ultimate understanding of the Holy Scriptures does not in any way contradict the experience of a human Being meeting face to face with the Lord. Now, in the first place, profound divine understanding of the mysteries of the Godhead as revealed to me, holds that the Lord God Almighty has two infinite aspects in eternity.

*1* The first side is the aspect of God, the core aspect, which is unmanifest; it is beyond manifestation in any realm in eternity. This core aspect of God holds the mystery of eternity. This mystery transcends the knowledge of every creature and living entity in all the realms of existence.

This most confidential aspect of God is the sole custodian of the answer to the question of the beginingless, the base before the beginning and the endless features of the Almighty God. No matter how great any spirit, angel, archangel, man or entity is, he can know nothing and say nothing about this sole ultimate core of the Godhead.

The knowledge of the multidimensional core of the Lord God that is completely beyond manifestation belongs only to the Lord God. To this end, what is not known about God by spirits, angels, men and every living creature, is more than what is known and what would be known of Him in eternity.

It is therefore from this God’s aspect of external reality that the Lord, the Personality of Godhead, manifests from time to time in different realms of existence. It is only when He manifests that He can be seen whether by spirits, angels, or men. And His manifestations to this end are limitless in different forms.

GOD MANIFESTATIONS

Remember the mysterious Rock that the children of Israel saw in the wilderness, upon mount of Horeb. This Rock was a disguised manifestation of God. For the Scripture (1 Cor. 10: 4) categorically stated: “And that Rock was Christ.” Of course, for the Lord to directly appear on Earth, in the form of a strange Rock, is the essence of the mystery of His divine manifestations. Now, as many as saw that mysterious Rock in Horeb, saw the Lord of the Universe, whether they knew it or not.

Remember also that in 55 B.C., in the first year of the reign of Belshazzar, king of Babylon, the great Prophet Daniel saw the Supreme Personality of Godhead (Ancient of Days) in a vision by night. In the Book of Daniel, he wrote in chapter 7, according to what he saw in spirit, that:
“The Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His Throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him.”

The Prophet Ezekiel also saw the Personality of Godhead in His appearance as a Man, while he was in the land of the Chaldeans by the river of Chebar. And he wrote in the first chapter of his book thus:

“And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a Throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the Throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, Isa was It were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and heard a voice of one that spake”.

In 96 A.D., the Supreme Lord also manifested in spirit and revealed Himself to Saint John, while he was in the island of Patmos. John saw the Most Holy and wrote, among other things, saying:

“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a Throne was set in Heaven and one sat on the Throne. And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow roundabout the Throne, in the sight like unto an emerald. And out of the Throne proceeded lightings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the Throne, which are the Seven Spirits of God.” (Rev. 4: 2-5)

The Prophet Isaiah in his time also saw the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth and wrote in the 6th chapter of his book, saying:
“In the year that King Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a Throne, high and lifted up, and His train filled the temple.”
Job saw the Almighty God in His manifestation as a Whirlwind. Abraham, Jacob, Balaam and others, saw the Lord in the diverse manifestations of His aspect of external reality. But no one has seen and no one can see, the unmanifest, the sole ultimate core aspect of the Godhead that holds the mystery of God’s beginingless and eternity.

This will bring us back to the true understanding of what Our Lord Jesus Christ meant when He said that “no man has seen the Father” {John 6:46). To this end, it is evident that He was speaking of the hidden, the core, the unmanifest side of the Supreme Almighty Father. It follows that there is an aspect of God which cannot be seen and there is an aspect which can be seen. Of course it was the face of God that Revelation chapter 22 verse 4 spoke of when it says: “And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.”

Even Our Lord Jesus who also says that no man has seen God, was Himself the consummate manifestation of God in the world of gross matter, as well as the true Lord and Creator of the entire universal systems. It was in reference to Christ as God that the Scripture (1 Tim. 3:16) says: “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh…”

Also, John chapter 1 verse 10 spoke of Our Lord Jesus Christ thus: “He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.” It means nothing else than that as many as saw Jesus Christ saw God both directly and indirectly. The Lord Himself even confirmed this when He told Philip: “Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father.” (John 14:9)

From the foregoing, I concluded in my dialogue with Ambassador Yuri in this connection that my spiritual experience of meeting the Lord face to face does not contradict the Holy Scriptures. Finally that morning, Yuri said: “But many believers do not have this spiritual experience of meeting with the Lord and seeing Him face to face.”

FAITH AND BEYOND

Again, I emphasized that this experience comes only by the special grace of God. Now, a believer must be bold, strong and spiritually aggressive to be placed by God’s grace on the path of meeting with the Lord of the Universe. The Lord God Almighty is not cheap to be bought in the market by everyone.

Therefore the faithless, the carnal minded, those in the world of the multitude, the hypocrite, the slowpoke and the slothful, may not see Him. These must remain behind and below in the strata of spiritual existence.

Little effort on their part on the path of the Lord will make them to be consoled by hearing of the lives and works of those who have met the Lord. If they are sincere on this path, however, then they can develop faith in the Lord by hearing of the experience of those who have met Him. For “faith cometh by hearing”. From this platform of hearing they can rise to walk with God.

While it is good to hear of the Lord via the experience of others, or by reading the Holy Scriptures, attending a gospel church, reading inspired books by men of God, attending revival meetings, amongst others, we must understand that there is something more than these. Job heard of the Lord through many ways and his faith increased even by hearing. But when he finally saw the Lord of Hosts, his spiritual awareness rose beyond the realm of mere hearing from others.

To this end, he had a specific spiritual experience which was not available to him within the framework of hearing. Thus he wrote: “I have heard of Thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eyes seeth Thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.” (Job 42: 5,6)
In other words, it is good to hear and study the great works of the Lord which He wrought via Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Peter, Abraham, Paul and others. However, while doing so, a believer should not limit his entire spiritual life on this level. Remember that if what you know about God is only what you are told, then to an extent you know nothing. Our Lord is the God of now. He is still speaking now to those who have the ears to hear. He can still reveal Himself to you now as He did to the people of old. With Him all things are possible.

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Regards.
SMARTMOTORS:
You need approximately N18.6million to complete that house
Btruth:
give your details please. And can you supervise it too?
KosiGee:
Pls can you give an estimate of a 5 bedroom duplex all rooms en-suite….from the foundation, roofing, electricity and plumbing all done….Land is already available.
anataala:
Capital no even the foundation can finish that money
KosiGee:
Pls can you give an estimate of a 5 bedroom duplex all rooms en-suite….from the foundation, roofing, electricity and plumbing all done….Land is already available.
ellizy:
It should
I'm professional electrical engineer, I can handle the electrical aspect of your house properly
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Benoti:
Yes. If you have land on ground. Which location are we looking at you. In a place like Benin city, it will go far with professional hand managing the project.
You can reach us at panuhubservice@gmail.com for more insight on your estimate and design.
Casham:
Depends on the Location. In Abuja, NO! In Kaduna Suburbs; YES!
Emma09:
E go remain sef. 25M wey some people dey take JAPA wey sometimes no dey too sure. I would rather use am build house here first before thinking of JAPA.
Emusan:
As a Building Engineer, one can't just conclude on that amount because it depends on many factors:

1. Dimensions of the rooms
2. Nature of the soil area
3. Foundation type i.e Strip foundation is an ideal for bungalow but in some special case where the soil capacity is too low, raft foundation is chosen.
4. Construction methodology.
5.. Specific finishing i.e fully furnished, choice of WC, shower e.t.c

But if above factors can be checked against normal standard, yes ₦25M is more than enough to complete that structure.
Dennisochampa:
....
A house is an asset....
A business isn't guaranteed profits...
There is always risks involved...
If I had 25m,i would build a house with it, give some parts of it out as rent, then in a few years, gather those rent and start a business.....
Impactors27:
I am a civil engineer incase you need a service of an engineer
Ashirioluwa:
Yes, but look for time to get the materials by yourself and monitor your project. Nigerian contractors are not trustworthy when it comes to money.
Efewestern:
Only few people will understand you. If you have ever involved in a house project, you'd know how capital intensive it's. But then again, it's a long term plan. Something to fall back to.

If I'm op. I will split the 20 million. Use 10 to get a perfect structure like he submitted.
bravehost4u:
1 trip of sharp sand #40k
1 bag of Supaset Cement #5,450
1 trip of stone (magi) #80k
6 solid and 9 hole block same price @ #400/block
5 solid and 6 hole block same price @ #330/block
12 mm rod #4500
10 mm rod #3700

25m is a lot of money, just follow the process and be smart with job pricing/costing
femi4:
Location matters. In some area ...Na only land that money fit buy
Authur729:
I dey build already my 3 bedroom and 2 self contained only the parafhet and gerrif roofing 10m gone first
ufotunang:
No it cannot build that house including with furnishings... building materials are expensive nowadays..at least 45 million can build with furnishings
Babaken:
please can you share the full plan
Rejouir:
It can't, furnituring(interior designing) to a premium taste is the beauty of a home.
drtwist:
Four bedroom apartment is likely 10m by 23m which will cost you close to 40million at least to build with standard material, then if you are in places like warri, porthacourt, Lagos you should be budgeting 45m .

Don't listen to those people telling you 25m will do the job o. It's either they are not akin to reality or they intended to build quack
Authur729:
am building 3 bedroom and 2 self contained
Authur729:
noon things cost more than that oooo I buy just now for my parafhet and leantter
cedricksly:
I dey always believe your estimate... When I enter the country, we get better deal.
Ikinternational:
Rule #1

Don't take advice or listen to people that never even bought land .

You want to know about costs? Do your best to talk to someone that recently built something similar.

In this day n age, the information is out there. Just keep researching. Even Google sef will assist based on your pattern of searches

Even Engineers dey paint rosy pictures.
Kavod:
NOR LET THEM DECIEVE YOU TOO MODERN FOR 25M... ITS WHEN YOU GET TO THE ROOFING LEVEL, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE REALLY BEGUN. MATERIALS ARE JUST TOO EXPENSIVE THE POP ALONE WOULD TAKE 5-7M IF DONE PROPERLY. IF NOT WHEN RAIN FALLS EVERYTHING WOULD TURN TO SHIT AND NOT PADDED WELL THE NOISE FROM THE RAINFALL AND VARIOUS LEAKAGES WOULD FRUSTRATE YOU. 40M STANDARD BUNGALOW
Duru009:
Supervise the work yourself directly with the builder and use direct labour.....

You will build it with even change remaining....
cezarman:
Oga just go ahead and build/buy your house oh!
Don't mind all those fake unwanted financial and investment advisors (even their family and friends go don tire for them)

You can never regret owning a house.
cybergawd:
Of course, even with a bedroom penthouse
Royalexquisuite:
Yes it will, am a Quantity Surveyor ...check my dm to help you do the material breakdown (BOQ).
This will guide on the material you needed to buy for the construction.
ChikezieU:
it will comfortably build it..cost of land not included though
Krucifax:
Worst advice ever!!! Home ownership if used wisely is the very foundation of wealth creation. This has been the case since forever.

1. The house means he never needs to worry about rent again and can save money
2. The house can serve as collateral for a loan that can be used for business.
3. The house is simply a conversion of the N25million to another form the N25 Million is still there.
4. The house can appreciate and be sold for profit giving him N25Million plus more millions.
5. If he decide to relocate the house can be put for rent or airbnb generating steady income.
6. His children can inherit the house when he dies and can do all the above again.
7. Nothing stops him from doing other business after building his house.
8. All the wealthiest families in history have their wealth tied to property at the very basic form.
9. Every business eventually comes to an end. Every trend eventually fades.Property is the one asset class that has stood for generations.
Gentlemen, listen to the best advice:

Go to this website: "qs.peterch.com"

There you will surely get the Bill of Quantities and the Materials' schedule within 24 hours. Everything about the 4 Bedroom will be itemized and the prices listed. Try the website, or contact "08052806928" - Quantity Surveyor.

Please, do not base on assumption: You need to see everything clearly
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Christianity Etc › Re: Test The Spirits, Against False Ministers Of The Gospel by PCHC(op): 8:36am On Dec 27, 2023
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Christianity Etc › Test The Spirits, Against False Ministers Of The Gospel by PCHC(op): 8:35am On Dec 27, 2023
(1 Adam and Eve 33:3)
But I will deceive them so that they shall come out of the water, and not fulfil their vow."


Satan was the one thinking or saying this within himself, and he was so sure he was going to succeed in deceiving them into breaking their vow. He had deceived them before into breaking God’s word, and therefore confident he could deceive them into breaking their own word or vow. Those who could not keep God’s word to them, how could they keep their own word or vow to God?



(1 Adam and Eve 33:4)
Then the hater of all good, went not to Adam, but he went to Eve, and took the form of an angel of God, praising and rejoicing, and said to her:—


Again, instead of going to Adam the man, he went to Eve the woman, because it’s easier for him to deceive the woman: He came in form of an angel of God or a minister of God; praising and rejoicing, and speaking to her.

If he had come as a Serpent again to the woman, the enmity between her and the serpent would not allow her to be deceived by him: but he came as a minister of God, with perversion of the simplicity of the Gospel.

-- [2 Corinthians 11:2-4 GW] ---
I’m as protective of you as God is. After all, you’re a Virgin whom I promised in marriage to one Man—Christ. However, I’m afraid that as the snake deceived Eve by its tricks, so your minds may somehow be lured away from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. When someone comes to you telling about another Jesus whom we didn’t tell you about, you’re willing to put up with it. When you receive a spirit that is different from the Spirit you received earlier, you’re also willing to put up with that. When someone tells you good news that is different from the Good News you already accepted, you’re willing to put up with that too.




(1 Adam and Eve 33:5)
"Peace be to you! Be glad and rejoice! God is favorable to you, and He sent me to Adam. I have brought him the glad tidings of salvation, and of his being filled with bright light as he was at first.

Satan was the one speaking to Eve here when he came as an angel of light or a minister of God, preaching a different gospel from the one she and Adam had received from God. Though it’s flattery or fake Gospel, yet it was a gospel or goodnews, preaching good things, favors, peace, blessings and glad news. And as far as some people are concerned, that’s all they want to know about the gospel. But those who are discerning must test all spirits and try the gospel they are hearing to know if it is another gospel from the one they have received in the Lord Jesus Christ or directly from God.

See as Satan’s gospel here included “Appearance of an angel, Peace, Gladness, Rejoicing, God, favor, Being Sent by God to a known man of God, Glad tidings (Goodnews) and Salvation, hope, getting filled with Bright Light (Illumination); and a reference to how he was before or how it was at the beginning: and in the subsequent verses below, Satan’s gospel also included joy, restoration, being sent by a known man of God (Adam), crown of light, signs and wonders, etc.

If Satan’s gospel could contain all these parameters, how would one be able to discern his gospel is not the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ? Even the elects of God hardly escape not getting deceived by all these contents in the gospel.

This is how to discern the real from the fake: “When all the “Signs” are fulfilled or true, test the “Instructions” for that’s where the fake and the true divert. It will always be in the instruction, not in the signs or proofs. The signs or proofs are the appearance, but the instructions are the fruits: By their fruits you shall know them.

The signs are what he shows or claims God or his sender is doing or has done to prove he is telling you the truth; but the instruction is what he is telling you to do or what he is doing to you or what he is telling you to give: (That is, your own part, acts, decision or role in all that’s he is saying).

Listen, the bible or Word of God contains many different things about God, but the most important aspect of the things in the Word or Bible above everything else, are the instructions or the obedience or the acts of man as commanded or instructed. What you are told to do or not to do, is more important to you than what you are told God is doing or will do for you. Your actions/obedience is more important than the miracles, the powers, the revelations, the sacrifices, the blessings, etc., that connote the works of God to you or to other men. Life generally is more about what you do than about what you get or find: If you know this, you will value what you are doing to get things more than getting/gaining those things. People who do evil to gain or get things are fools because both God and Satan are interested in offering you all things in exchange for what you do or do not do. You are judged by your works, not by your acquisitions or possessions.

So test the Gospel by the instructions, the obedience you are to fulfil, the works you are to perform, the commandments you are to obey, etc.; and not just by the promises, the gifts, the finished works of Christ, the feasts etc., of the gospel.

Let’s continue…



(1 Adam and Eve 33:6)
And Adam, in his joy for his restoration, has sent me to you, that you come to me, in order that I crown you with light like him.


Notice the Devil here drop a hint of the “Instruction or what is required of Eve to do” while still speaking the gospel of joy and restoration of Adam and giving her promise of a crown of light like Adam had received. Adam to her in that gospel was like the Lord Jesus Christ to us in today’s gospel, and Satan was promising her she was going to be like Adam ( whom he claimed was already exalted and crown with light and brightness) if she comes with him, just as the Serpent once promised her she would be like God knowing good and evil if she eats of the forbidden fruits.

So, the instruction of his gospel was to come with him; and that means, she would have to come out of the water to follow the angel of light or minister who brought that gospel or prophecy to her. But the instruction of this gospel is contradicting the instruction of Adam to her, which clearly told her not to step outside the water until Adam comes to her. This means, there is a problem because this gospel with all the glorious contents is asking her to do what her lord (Adam) told her not to do initially.

Remember that man of God from Judah, to whom the old prophet lied, saying, an angel of God appeared to him and told him to bring the man of God home to eat; and that instruction was contrary to the first instruction God had told the man of God.

Let’s continue…



(1 Adam and Eve 33:7)
And he said to me, 'Speak to Eve; if she does not come with you, tell her of the sign when we were on the top of the mountain; how God sent his angels who took us and brought us to the Cave of Treasures; and laid the gold on the southern side; incense, on the eastern side; and myrrh on the western side.' Now come to him."


Here, Satan as the angel of light and minister of the gospel, performed a sign or told her their secret or word of knowledge, about how they received the treasures from the Garden of Eden on the mountain, and how those treasures were kept inside their home (remember Satan had gone to their home in their absence and studied how those treasures were arranged there) in order to give her proofs and evidences. And Satan still reemphasized the instruction of her coming with him.

So you see all the signs that minister gave to her were true or they happened, but the instruction he gave to her was the trap or lies. Many people judge false or true prophets by their prophecies or by the signs they gave: so that if those prophecies or signs happen as they say, you believe they are true; and but if those prophecies or signs do not happen, you say they are false prophets. Now move above judging prophets by their signs, and begin judging them by their fruits (instructions or what they are telling you do as against what God told you to do). For sometimes, God allows all the prophet said or gave as signs to happen, in order to test you whether you would follow the prophet’s instruction against the instruction of the Lord to you or not. As it is written,

-- [Deuteronomy 13:1-5 GW]
One of your people, claiming to be a prophet or to have prophetic dreams, may predict a miraculous sign or an amazing thing. What he predicts may even take place. But don’t listen to that prophet or dreamer if he says, “Let’s worship and serve other gods.” (Those gods may be gods you’ve never heard of.) The LORD your God is testing you to find out if you really love Him with all your heart and with all your soul. Worship the LORD your God, fear Him, obey His commands, listen to what He says, serve Him, and be loyal to Him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and freed you from slavery. He was trying to lead you away from following the directions the LORD your God gave you. You must get rid of this evil.


You see in this bible reference that prophet’s signs and words always come to pass; but his instruction to you contradicts the instruction or commandment of God. Do not say his anointing is greater than the instruction of God to you, and follow him because of his anointing or miraculous powers; rather regard the instruction, the commandments and the fear of God above the miracles, the prophecies, the gospels, powers or any supernatural gifting he has. By their fruits you shall know them, not by their gifts. Miracles, powers and signs, change, but the commandments or instructions of God do not change because they are pillars of eternal righteousness and judgment. For instance, there is no age or generation where fornication, adultery, idolatry, murder, lying, or unrighteousness will ever become acceptable. They are eternally reprobated.



(1 Adam and Eve 33:cool
When Eve hear these words from him, she rejoiced greatly. And thinking Satan's appearance was real, she came out of the sea.


In simple words, Eve was again deceived by the simplicity of the gospel; and she did what she was earlier told not to do, because she believed a fake minister of God who brought gospel to her with signs and wonders, but asked her for just one harmless act of coming out of her prayer ground against her lord's instruction to her.

Christianity Etc › Prayer Points Satan Fears When You May Pray by PCHC(op): 9:46am On Dec 26, 2023
THE FIRST BOOK OF ADAM AND EVE
1 ADAM+EVE 33



1 BUT Satan, the hater of all good, sought them in the cave, but he did not find them, although he searched diligently for them.

Satan the Devil has always been the hater and the seeker of the good ones. The Devil's hatred does not keep him from seeking or searching even the people or things he hate. Not like some people, who's hatred keeps them from seeking, from searching or from even caring about where or what those they hate are doing or going. The Devil is like a hater or adversary who likes to stick around like a friend though he's an enemy: sometimes it appears like receiving the devil as friends is pleasurable and gainful, but resisting him as enemy when he seeks is as suffering afflictions.

[1 Peter 5:8-9] — "Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering."

In the top context, Satan diligently sought Adam and Eve with hatred in his heart; and infact, the hater visited their home (the cave) looking for them as if he's a concerned neighbor. They were neither on the mountain, down the valley/cave nor on the land; but where in the sea.



2 But he found them standing in the water praying and thought within himself, "Adam and Eve are thus standing in that water beseeching God to forgive them their transgression, and to restore them to their former estate, and to take them from under my hand.


When the Devil finds you praying fervently like this, thoughts or fears do come up within him, even as you read in this verse above. Three of the prayer points he fears most are the ones his thoughts assumed Adam and Eve were praying in the verse above:

1 Praying for God's Forgiveness of your sin, and asking for God's mercy: This is one of the most fearful prayer points the devil fears you or any sinner would be praying. It means you've confessed, admitted and forsaken your sins before God in self conviction, and the Devil can no longer use those sins as accusations against you when he comes as your Accuser before God. And when God forgives your sins Satan loses his legal cases or power over you. Sin is gives both Satan and Death legal or lawful power over the sinner.

[1 Corinthians 15:56] — "The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."

2 Praying for God's reconciliation or restoration of you into your former estate or position with God before you backslided or fell into sin: This is one of the most fearful prayer points the devil fears you or any fallen/separated man from God would be praying. This means you are not being prodigal son or prodigal person anymore, but have recovered your senses and your seeking back your place/position with the Father above seeking any other opportunities the devil offers: the devil has wasted his investments in you, and is no longer able to lead you away from the Father and the estate he once tried to lead you away from. And when God grants you that prayer request it would mean taking you out of the devil's domain, out of the world, out of the realms where the devil thrives, and bringing you into the heavens where Christ is sited at the Right Hand of God far above where the devil can reach. It also means restoring to you the Joy of salvation and the right Spirit of God.

The devil fears you may be praying the prayers of "Psalms 51."

3 Praying for God's Deliverance from the hands or powers of Satan and his darkness: This is one of the most fearful prayer points the devil fears you or any of his captive/slave/prisoner would be praying. Especially when you are initiated into him in cultism, in ritual, in covenant, in curse, in brotherhood, in oath of allegiance/pledge, in marriage, in fornication or in idolatry: and you seeking to be delivered or extracted from devil's hands by your requesting foreign Powers and foreign Kingdom to come and take you by you entering into a new covenant with the foreign Kingdom/Powers that supercedes those of Satan's powers with or over you. The devil sees you praying for God's Deliverance as your betrayal against him; and sometimes his penalty for those seeking to leave any his groups (and be converted into another faith or freedom) is death. But when God grants deliverance to whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord for the Lord's Deliverance, that man or woman shall be saved or delivered by the name of the Lord whom he or she has called upon, irrespective of any existing covenant, agreement, initiation, or bonds, with any of Satan's powers or groups: The Devil will lose that person who called upon the Lord Jesus Christ for deliverance or salvation, and the Lord Jesus Christ will gain that person and soul because "Jesus Christ is Mighty to Save, and whomever He sets free is free indeed."

Sing this song with me:

Savior, He can move the mountains; our God is Mighty to save, He is Mighty to save: Forever He's Author of Salvation…

One of the reasons He is "Mighty" is "To Save:" As it is written,

[Isaiah 63:1] — "Who is this that comes from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in His apparel, traveling in the greatness of His strength? It is I that speak in righteousness, I am Mighty to save."

Why should the Lord be Mighty if He cannot or would not save? As it is written,

[Jeremiah 14:9] — "Why are You like a man taken by surprise, like a mighty man that do not save? Yet You are among us, O LORD, and we are called by Your name. Do not forsake us!"

Behold, the name "Jesus" or "Joshua" means "Savior" or "Deliverer." Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (delivered).
Christianity Etc › The Horrors Of Starvation by PCHC(op): 8:27am On Dec 23, 2023
[Ezekiel 4:17]

That they may want bread and water, and be astonied one with another, and consume away for their iniquity. - [KJV]

So that they lack bread and water, and shall be appalled with one another, and be consumed in their crookedness. - [TS2009]


The Lord has no pleasure in the death of a sinner, but He has vengeance in the death of a sinner. Their getting consumed and wasting away for their sins through famine and hunger caused by the siege or blockade that locked them in (as exemplified by Ezekiel’s drama show), even their wasting away for their iniquity, would not give God any pleasure but will give God vengeance. And the goal of God’s vengeance may not be for His pleasure, but surely be for justice and for purification. Please be advised that God does not just sit to seek justice for people, but to also seek justice for Himself. He seeks righteousness and justice both for others and for Himself.

In the bible verse above, the lack of food and water decreed upon Jerusalem was intentional, intended to bring them to a different point without leaving their current place, where they may be getting consumed by not consuming food, getting eaten by not eating and getting wasted away by way of no food waste or shit left in their belly.

Also in this bible verse above, Lack of food and water could cause damage of relationship or love in people for one another: I don’t think you want to see where extreme hunger and thirst turns people into beasts, and kills other basic human feelings in them except hunger, thirst, selfishness and wickedness. Even mothers would practically turn into cannibals, eating their own children and babies for hunger (2 Kings 6:25-29). As it is written,

-- [Lamentations 4:8-13 GW] --
Their faces are now blacker than soot. No one recognizes them on the streets. Their skin has shriveled on their bones. It has become as dry as bark. Those who were killed with swords are better off than those who are dying from starvation. Those who were stabbed bled to death. The others are dying because there is nothing in the fields to eat. The hands of loving mothers cooked their own children. The children were used for food by my people when they were being destroyed by a blockade. The LORD’s fury has accomplished His purpose. He unleashed His burning anger. He started a fire in Zion that even burned its foundations. Neither the kings of the earth nor anyone living on earth could believe that enemies or invaders would ever get through the gates of Jerusalem? They got through? Because of the sins of Jerusalem’s prophets and the crimes of its priests, who spilled the blood of righteous people within it.

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