I don't know how to wish a dictator like Buharia happy birthday. Buhari is the worst leader in the whole wide world!

cyprus000:

I want to ask you only one question: are you igbo?

He's not

ChinenyeN:
I believe I see what you are getting at now. I misunderstood your statements as you stating that Izugbe is the legacy of the prior Central standard. As in Ohuhu and Egbu were used in the creation of Izugbe. My apologies.

Yes, in designing Izugbe, Ogbalu and the SPILC decided to give it a preference for more "Imo" voicing. Izugbe has a preference for /h/ vs /r/, uses the conjugated suffix -[o/a/e]la vs -go, etc. These were all conscious choices Ogbalu and the SPILC made in compromise, mostly because the Methodists (Central) and Anglicans (Union) had made it clear that they would simply not accept CMS's (Onitsha) standard. Without this compromise, the standards controversy would have continued, and the standards controversy is partly what the SPILC aimed to put an end to.

Many towns in Anambra use /h/ and /r/ as well. You may think that Onitsha/Idemmili/Omambala dialects are the only dialects in Anambra. Many town in Anambra State still uses what you may call the "Imo Dialect".

I get your point though. Daalu Nwanne!

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goalernestman:



Igbo is people who migrated from Benin empire and Igala this is fact no matter how they try to twist it

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Igbos are native to their area. We came from nowhere.

ChinenyeN:


If this is still your stance, then I might recommend for you to go back and try to re-read that for comprehension. The only standard that utilized Ohuhu and Owerri was Central. Izugbe is supposed to be wholly artificial. It did not take after Ohuhu and Egbu. The morphology and lexicon of Izugbe would have been drastically different, if it took after Ohuhu and Egbu, believe me (unless you aren't familiar with Ohuhu and Egbu dialects).

Also, some years back here on NL we took a sort of case study on Izugbe and the Onitsha province. A speech given by Achebe in pure Idemmili was translated to Izugbe. We took excerpts of that into other lects and Idemmili was by far much closer to Izugbe then Owerri, Ohuhu, Ngwa, etc.

Also, I just went through the Columbia document. If nothing else, your link only provides further support for my statements. You ended up buttressing my statements as opposed to supporting your own argument. Are you certain you meant to use it?

We all agree that Igbo Izugbe is an invented language to ease up the flow of communication amongst different Igbo groups. I never said that it is basically Egbu or Ohuhu dialect. I maintain that both dialects contributed as much as the Onitsha dialect in both morphology and semantics towards making the Igbo Izugbe (Central Igbo). What the SPIL did was to expand the scope of the central Igbo while adding more words and vocabularies from other Igbo areas to make the language much more acceptable to all.

I will give an example:

Eng: What are you doing now
Onitsha: Kedu ife i na eme Kita
Igbo Izugbe: Gini/Kedu Ihe i na eme ugbu a
Ohuhu: Olee ihe i na eme ugbu a

Eng: Nigeria is dead
Onitsha: Nigeria anwurugo
Igbo Izugbe: Nigeria anwuola
Ohuhu: Nigeria anwuola.

So, it is mixed. It is not particularly modeled after Onitsha dialect. Onitsha dialect is prominent only in the Catholic Igbo liturgy and the CMS liturgy also.

We may disagree to agree. I'm not all knowing though. However, having been born and bred in Onitsha, having also studied the Igbo Izugbe from primary school till the end of my secondary school, having been taught by teachers who spoke the archetypical Onitsha dialect, I know for a certain that is quite different from Igbo Izugbe.

ChinenyeN:


When we say "Onitsha", we are not referring to Onitsha "Town". We are rather referring to the general dialect of the old Onitsha province, which Onitsha indigenes also contributed to (let's be honest). That is why we often used "Onitsha-Idemmili" to refer to this axis. However, it is just as easy to simply say "Onitsha", as it is the name of the province for that axis.

Izugbe is not based on Ohuhu and Egbu. You are thinking of a previous standard, "Central", that was explicitly developed and based on Ohuhu and Owerri. Central has been defunct/phased out now for over the past 40 years. Izugbe has taken its place. Central is not the work of the SPILC. You have been confusing Central with Izugbe. Here is the breakdown.

Dr. Ward created Central and it was adopted by the Methodists. Central is based off the specialized dialects of Ohuhu Umuahia and Owerri.

Dr. SE Onwu chaired the Onwu Committee, which was responsible for putting an end to the orthography controversy that plagued Igbo literary works. Onwu's contribution to written Igbo is the orthography that we use today. The fact that we have combining dot diacritics and a structured tone marking system as opposed to specialized characters.

FC Ogbalu started the SPILC and created Izugbe. It is basically a mirror of Onitsha province speech and an extension of the legacy of using the Onitsha standard. The Onwu orthography shows up here, because Ogbalu and the SPILC elected to discard their own in-house orthography for the one recommended by the Onwu Committee. When Izugbe was released, it was one of the standards that simply used Onwu orthography.

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I still maintain my earlier stand that Igbo Izugbe is not like the Igbo spoken by Onitsha or Idemmili natives. Igbo Izugbe maintained the earlier form of Ohuhu and Egbu dialects while incorporating many Onitsha/Idemmili dialects.

I sent you a link on that.

ChinenyeN:


When we say "Onitsha", we are not referring to Onitsha "Town". We are rather referring to the general dialect of the old Onitsha province, which Onitsha indigenes also contributed to (let's be honest). That is why we often used "Onitsha-Idemmili" to refer to this axis. However, it is just as easy to simply say "Onitsha", as it is the name of the province for that axis.

Izugbe is not based on Ohuhu and Egbu. You are thinking of a previous standard, "Central", that was explicitly developed and based on Ohuhu and Owerri. Central has been defunct/phased out now for over the past 40 years. Izugbe has taken its place. Central is not the work of the SPILC. You have been confusing Central with Izugbe. Here is the breakdown.

Dr. Ward created Central and it was adopted by the Methodists. Central is based off the specialized dialects of Ohuhu Umuahia and Owerri.

Dr. SE Onwu chaired the Onwu Committee, which was responsible for putting an end to the orthography controversy that plagued Igbo literary works. Onwu's contribution to written Igbo is the orthography that we use today. The fact that we have combining dot diacritics and a structured tone marking system as opposed to specialized characters.

FC Ogbalu started the SPILC and created Izugbe. It is basically a mirror of Onitsha province speech and an extension of the legacy of using the Onitsha standard. The Onwu orthography shows up here, because Ogbalu and the SPILC elected to discard their own in-house orthography for the one recommended by the Onwu Committee. When Izugbe was released, it was one of the standards that simply used Onwu orthography.

Here's a quote from A History of Igbo Language done by the Columbia University

1952 == By the early fifties, many patriotic Igbo worried about unresolved orthography question. The Government convened another conference at Aba. Mr. R. I. Uzoma, Eastern Nigeria Minister of Education, presided. SPILC strongly opposed the "new" orthography. No decision was reached (Oraka p. 39).

1953 == Aug. 25: a select committee, chaired by Dr. S. E. Onwu, met at Owerri to evolve a compromise orthography. The four phonetic symbols in the new orthography were removed, but the suggestion to replace them with diacritical marks was rejected. All parties except SPILC were either satisfied or no longer interested in contesting the issue (Oraka p. 39).

1954 == Another committee meeting, headed by Mr. Alvan Ikoku. SPILC presented a "modified" orthography. It was rejected. SPILc members walked out on the meeting (Oraka p. 39).

1955 == F. C. Ogbalu issued his "compromise" orthography. Many other suggested orthographies were issued at different times by different groups and individuals. Controversy lingered until 1961, when the Government set up another committee, the Onwu Orthography Committee, chaired by Dr. S. E. Onwu, Assistant Director of Medical Services for Eastern Nigeria (Oraka p. 39).

1961 == Sept. 13: the eleven members of the Onwu Committee met at the W.T.C., Enugu. The Minister of Education warned them to reconsider use of diacritical marks, in line with SPILC recommendations. They produced a pacifying orthography using diacritical marks to distinguish "light" and "heavy' vowels which, with other recommendations, brought to an end the 32-year-old controversy. All parties were satisfied (Oraka pp. 34, 40). Here is that important text: *The Official Igbo Orthography as recommended by the Onwu Committee in 1961*.

iSlayer:



You're right. Calling it Onitsha dialect because it is spoken in the area doesn't mean it's spoken by Onitsha people. That's a mixup. I hardly call that common dialect Onitsha dialect because it's not accurate to call it so. Native Onitsha I presume will be different (I've not had much interaction with native Onitsha people) from what is spoken in the "streets" which is a mashup of dialects from various places but mostly borrowing from Onitsha and it's environs.


However, quite interestingly, because of the wide use of Igbo Izugbe (which has an akin structure to Anambra dialects or the Idenmili area to narrow down) when many from southern Igboland want to sound more "central" instead of using the very formal Igbo Izugbe they just use that Anambra originated mashup. Interesting.

I lived in Onitsha for a long time. I was born and brought up in Onitsha. So, I know for a certain that the written Igbo is different from the Igbo spoken by Onitsha indigenes.

Central Igbo or Igbo Izugbe is not a living language but a language constructed by the Onwu Committee shortly before Independence. The CI was drawn from some parts of Owerri, specifically Egbu, parts of Umuahia, specifically Ohuhu and also Onitsha dialect. Central Igbo is still used in the academia extensively and it is mutually intelligible to all Igbo groups. Central Igbo is not Onitsha/ Idemmili Igbo.

I will give you an example of Onitsha dialect and the Igbo spoken by immigrants in Onitsha

Eng: What's your name
Onitsha Dialect: Kedu afa i/yi
Spoken Onitsha and Suburban area: Kedu afa gi

Eng: Go and wash the plate
ONID: Ga cha avere
SOSA: Ga sa efere

Eng: Your mother is calling you
ONID: Nne i/yi na akpo i/yi
SOSA: Nne gi na akpo gi.

The differences are basically slight but still enough to tell when an Onitsha indigene speaks and when someone who just grew up in Onitsha speaks.

Ekene161829:
I did something I really regret. My wife and I have an amazing marriage, 2 years of marriage and we are blessed with a 7-month-old baby girl.

She is 28 and I almost 33. Last Saturday I got invited to go out by some of my work friends , I got home late 2am, so madam wasn't happy. She was yelling at me, throwing hands and screaming at me. I ignored her and left the room to the living room but she followed me and I asked her to leave me alone but she kept going which made me angry.

I took the back of my hand and gave her a slap on the mouth. She cried out and held her face and started crying and her lips was bleeding. I didn't intentionally hurt her, I just wanted to calm her down since ignoring her was not working. I said sorry, and I was literally on my knees begging her. I tried to hold her but she refused.
The rest of the night was me repeating apology or i didn't mean to hurt you. She ignored me . She went into our room and locked the door.

She was in there for a long time and the next morning, her mother and older brother was at the house and she came out of the room with her and our baby stuff and she said she was leaving me for good. I told her how sorry I was but her mother told me to get out of their faces and they left the house.

I feel so ashamed and I've never done anything like this before and I never thought I would. I don't want to loose my wife and baby. I need both of them back. Should I attempt to contact her?

What do I do?

Hitting a woman is unacceptable. You could have ignored your wife but you chose to hit her. You must learn to manage your woman instead of turning her into a punch bag.

There are many ways of punishing your wife without physically hitting her.

If she were my sister, I'll warn you severely and brutalized you on the second attempt.

ChinenyeN:


It is still valid today. We are still experiencing the effect of that era. What we characterize as "speaking Igbo". How we have come to identity "Igbo language identity". The controversy that many experience with having to water down their lects or being told that "oh, you're learning to speak Igbo". All of that is the fallout from that period. Is it even a fallout? Catholicism still reigns within the population and they still carry that Onitsha-standard legacy. The legacy was further perpetuated by Izugbe, which further mirrors the Onitsha-Idemmili-Njokoka style dialects. And Izugbe is not hardly used. The fact that we are made to write in it consistently is a testament to that. We may not speak it as we do with some of the urban standards, but rest assured, Igbo people have made it a point to generally discourage writing in non-Izugbe. As a result, further perpetuating the Onitsha-Idemmili-Njokoka familiarity. All in all, we are constantly surrounded by things that continue to push Onitsha-type dialects forward and give this impression that it's somehow an inherent quality of Onitsha when it actually is not.



Ah. I was confused by your use of common, since the extent of lectal diversity within the "Imo" region makes it impossible to say that there is really a "common" dialect in the area.

Bro,Igbo Izugbe is nothing like Igbo spoken by Onitsha Indigenes. Igbo Izugbe, the written Igbo has a heavy reliance on Ohuhu, and Egbu Igbo dialects. It also has a large vocabulary of Onitsha Igbo dialect.

Believe me, the written Igbo is nothing like the Igbo spoken by Onitsha indigenes.

The spoken Igbo spoken in Onitsha by various immigrant groups into Onitsha is also a bit different from the Igbo spoken by Onitsha people themselves.

iSlayer:




Are you sure virtually any Igbo can follow the Mbano dialect? It's a pity I'm not familiar with it myself I would have shared my opinion. If it's anything close to Mbaise (which I've heard severally) then it's not easy to understand o.

Mbano is divided into two local government areas; Isiala Mbano and Ehime Mbano. I'm talking specifically about Isiala Mbano. Our dialect is nothing like that of Mbaise groups. Mbano and Mbaise are not contagious groups. Mbaise dialect is closer to Owerri dialect.

Isiala Mbano dialect is quite closer to Nkwerre and Amaigbo dialects.

Who are these people? I only know of Munachi because she's beautiful.

Do people still listen to the fake priest call Ejike Mbaka?

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Gibberish! Eri was a warrior from Igala who migrated to the Omambala basin and mixed the the existing Igbo communities. The kinship and closeness between Nri and Igala peopis not shared by other Igbo communities.

Onojo Oboli, a son of Eri was a strong warrior also who terrorised many Igbo communities on the Omambala basin and the Adada basin. Onoja Oboli is Igala yet Eri is somehow supposedly the father of the Igbos. Ridiculous!

Well, I'm from Isiala Mbano. Igbo izugbe is not a dialect but a constructed Igbo done by Mazi Onwu committee following previous versions done by earlier scholars on Igbo language. It includes elements of Onitsha Igbo, Uratta Igbo, Ohuhu in Umuahia and tiny bits taken from all other Igbo clans elsewhere.

When someone from Isiala Mbano speaks, it is understandable to all Igbos. Our Igbo is not ambiguous. When we speak our dialect, it is understandable to every Igbo person, however, they also know that we speak our dialect.

We don't claim to speak central Igbo. Our Isiala Mbano dialect is easy to follow and understand.

Example: I'm coming
Igbo Izugbe: A na m abia
Isiala Mbano Igbo: A biawala m

Eng:Where are you from
II: Kedu onye ebe i bu?
Isiala Mbano: I wu onye ebe?/I wu onye nga ole?/Olee nga ishi?

AwkaetitiBabe:
Form boss? Are u sure u even okay upstairs? Is that what u could deduce from my post? Abeg some get it twisted biko

Nne, ihe jiri gwa gi okwu bu maka na I bu onye Igbo. You can't be Igbo and be making divisive remarks! You can't have the same stereotypes as your parents did in this modern time. Talking down on others to make yourself feel good isn't fashionable. Ka anyi kwanyere onwe anyi ugwu!

bdchange:

Must you call her a fool to prove your points? Just dish out your own opinion and move on..is that too hard to do..haba

She threw the first shot.

WENGERNOMICS:


Brossss.......that's harsh na. She is just saying what she heard or experienced. Everyone has such stereotypes.

For instance now, every Nigerian will be careful of going to South Africa even though there are lots of good people there.

Bro, not true necessarily. Some people like to say ill of others to make themselves feel better. I judge people individually and not lumping them all into one category. I have been treated with different degree of wickedness from friends and foes alike. I cannot just judge them based on their state of origin. State is an artificial creation.

AwkaetitiBabe:
I didn't create d narratives you bloody fool.

I guess you are the illiterate fool! Stereotypes are held on to by illiterate people and hateful people like you. You are not better than anyone. Nairaland, a faceless forum,gives everyone fool a chance to form boss

Kingsdave:

You guys have a lot of bad characters including the males... Your sisters dictates what happens in your family... They can even come around unannounced saying.... Na my Dede place I come.... Dey always make the family a living hell

Like I said we no like Una too. You guys are too judgemental! How can any sane Enugu person hate an Imo person? For what now? Are you guys better than Imo people in anyway? How can Nigeria ever be good with people like you? How can we have Igbo unity with closed minded fools like you? Ike unu gwuru! Tufiakwa!

goldony:

It is Ur state girls that are olosho. Anambra ladies are business minded, super intelligent, homely, always beautiful with good height, that is why most Anambra men prefer marrying their women. When U want to intimidate them,they can dare you.
You are the one spewing trash here, I know 5 imo state guys in oil company that refused marrying their imo state girls before they were transferred to work abroad.

Story for the gods!

AwkaetitiBabe:
They say ngwa people are wicked and ate human beings. For mbaise people, they simply cunning.

What about Akwaetiti people? Mgbeke feeling funky! Enjoy your stereotypical shit hole

rtdCivilservant:

And u will some day have daughters who definitely would be promiscuous because they shall surely be imolites. I doubt if u are from imo, I know many idiots like u trying to rubbish other people. Get sense for once even if ur mother had none.

That guy ain't from Imo State. Even if he is; he's a waste of space and breathe

Kingsdave:


True bro... I'm from Enugu , our parents keeps telling us not to marry any girl from IMO... My uncles and other kindred guys that married from IMO married problem... Their lifestyle is wack. If you were rich and married them... Any slight down fall... You are on your own... For better we stay... For worse i disappear

We from Imo no too like Enugu sha! You guys are still in Stone age abeg!

Sirvingeo:
I am from Imo state and my mum is from Anambra . she always warned me never to marry Imo ladies because of their promiscuous lifestyle . I later discovered it was the uncouth truth.

Ana akogheri!

Asshurbanipali:
Chidi you are a bastard. You live in Onitsha including your parents and siblings, why not go and live in imo state. Do you want me to post all their Facebook pictures to prove my point?


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Whatever rocks your boat. We are never on the same level. You are obviously poor and sick .You need my attention. I'm a busy guy. Inugo

For the records, Arthur Eze is never as rich as Arthur Nzeribe, or Ahaejiejemba, Iwuanyanyu, OUK, Emeka Offor, or the Akwauiwu's of the old, or Cletus Odimegwu. For every of these, there are new billionaires emerging. Is Arthur Eze richer than Alison Madueke? What manner of empty chest beating do our brothers from Anambra has?

Asshurbanipali:
Chidi it is not noise but fact, if not you wouldn't be living today in Onitsha with your parents and siblings, why not go and live in Imo state?


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You are a clown. I don't live in Onitsha even though I was born and brought up in 046. You are not Igbo. What's your business in Igbo matter?