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Maamin:
OK fine.

God

Genesis 1:1

You must also answer my questions with definite answers too.

You said God ba?
But John 1:3 says, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
All things were made by him (Christ). If you say God made the world doesn't it mean we're saying about the same thing. That Jesus and God are one.?

I think we should all ignore the op. We'll only be feeding the troll.

Maamin:
Well done, but I see that you choose to jump verse 36 where he exclusively said "because I said I am the Son of God" and not "because I said I am God the father"

Stop misinterpreting Christ words like the Jews.

sorry sir, maybe next time I'll write the whole of Genesis to revelation so I don't have to jump verse..

Maamin:
You right, But the bible also said Christ is sitting at the right hand of power/God.

I think one major problem we Christian have is that we don't know the difference between a figurative statement and a literal statement.

Christ sitting on the right hand of God is a figurative statement and not a literal one. There's no chair in heaven that God or Christ is sitting on. Just like when you say President buhari is sitting in Aso Rock. It doesn't mean he's is literally sitting in Aso rock. It means he's sitting in a place of authority as the president of Nigeria. Christ on he right hand of God that Christ sits on a place of authority.

Maamin:
Nice analogy with the mirror and image. Now if I use a hammer to smash the image in the mirror what will happen? The image in the mirror crumbles down to the ground but the real person stand perfectly ok because he is the real thing.

Also don't forget the Trinity doctrine says father is separate person from the Son and son is separate person from the holy spirit, same way the holy spirit is separate person from the Father and the Son .

The conversation has been about the identity of the father and son since. Triniterians are yet to incorporate the holy spirit in their 3 in one doctrine.

May be you can help out.

Great.

I wouldn't call myself a trinitarian per say. I'm a believer of Christ. And that's what I know..

And your illustration with using hammer to smash to mirror is flawed cos Christ cannot be separated from God.

Amberon11:
The Bible is very very clear on the blasphemy of the holy spirit so there is nothing like in-depth study needed.

The sin against the holy spirit can never be forgiven not in the next world and definitely not in this one.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Spartan.

So the summary of what you're saying is that the op can never be saved again no matter what he does? Since he clearly has insulted the Holy Spirit... So you're telling him now that there's no more hope for him cos no matter what he does God will never forgive him.
He should keep on sinning cos even if he wants to accept Christ he will never be welcomed. Ever.. Is that what you're trying to say.

If that's what you're saying it means that everybody that have ever insulted the Holy Spirit even once in the their lives (both out of ignorance, or anger or even out of plain stupidity just like our dear OP here) even if they've repented God still haven't forgiven them. Christianity has never been a religion of hope in the first place if that's what you're saying..

spartan117:
thanks for your response. now let's examine Scriptures.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

now that we see that it's clearly written that blasphemy against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, let's examine what it means to blaspheme.

Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence to a deity, or sacred things, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable. Some religions consider blasphemy to be a religious crime. Wikipedia

Having carefully examined the above it's safe to conclude that blasphemy ( insulting or abusing) against the holy spirit is a sin that can never be forgiven.

may the spirit of truth guide you into all truth. peace of the lord.

So the summary of what you're saying is that the op can never be saved again no matter what he does? Since he clearly has insulted the Holy Spirit... So you're telling him now that there's no more hope for him cos no matter what he does God will never forgive him.

Maamin:
God the father created the World through the Son.

Hebrew 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Here are more reference
1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

All is 'of' the father and all is 'by' the son

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

It is not space science.

Shalom!

I want you to give me a definite answer. Who created the world?

Peacefullove:
Calm down

Ye are GODS, do you believe humans are GODS ?

Sir,
in verse 33, for you a mere man, claim to be God. Letter G was in capital letter. the translator uses capital G to signify Yahweh

34. is it not written in your law, i have said are you not gods. Here letter G is in lower case. It doesn't signify Yahweh.
thank you.

And to the person that said God should be replaced with Yahweh, I want to replace God with Yahweh in verse, 33. You a mere man claim to be Yahweh..

Maamin:
Nice question. We are beginning to head somewhere.

The bible has made us to understand that No one has in anytime seen God the father:

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Hebrew 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Col 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

2 Cor 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

What you should understand is that one of the main purpose of christ coming was to make the father known to us, that is to declare him unto man. Jesus took all what is of his father and showed or made it known to us. Everything is of the father. The proceeding verse of that John 14:9 you quoted even explained it more better and clearly by saying "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake." John 14:10-11

The bible also said that it pleased God the father to dwell in Christ fully

Col 1:19 "For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"

Seeing Jesus is seeing God the father, this is the reason why Jesus said "He who has seen me has SEEN the Father"

Remember the father sent the son, Jesus did not send himself. He did nothing of his own accord but the will of the father who sent him.

Now let's go by your notion that says Jesus is the same person as the Father Yahweh...
can you kindly answer the question you asked earlier about who were the "us" in Genesis 1?

If in fact Jesus is Yahweh the father then your trinity doctrine will be left with one party missing out of the three as one logic. It will be Jesus or Yahweh and the Holy Spirit.

So who are the "Us" in Genesis 1?

Great write up. But I must ask you my question too. Who created the world?

John 10:27 & 28; My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

In verse 29, Christ then said something about God. let's see what he said. 29. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all
; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

And then in verse 30 he cleared the doubts of the Pharisee and some on us here. Here's what He said. 30. I and my father are one.

After he said that the Pharisees picked up stones to stone him. They clearly understand what he meant. They even said it in verse 33. "we're not stoning you for any of these.. but for blasphemy. And they went ahead to say what the blasphemy was in the same verse 33. "because you a mere man, claim to be God.
If Jesus wasn't God, he would have rebuked them and explained what he meant but he said in verse 38... that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am I the Father.

From what I've noticed, the problem is not that we have problem with English language. The problem is that, it is English language that have problem with us.

Follow me.

col 1:15; Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
Look into your mirror. What do you see? Your image I guess. The above verse tells us that Christ is the image of the invisible God.
Now you're still looking at your image in the mirror, try performing any action like raising your hands, turning your back etc. How does your image react? It does exactly the same action you carried out right? That's what the Bible is trying to explain but we've all too understand English that we can't comprehend simply English. Anything that Go do is what Christ does. He is the image of God. God is invisible Christ is the image of this invisible Divine Being. Doesn't that tells you that Christ is God. The next verse will explain things clearer.

Heb 1:3; The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Here it says Christ is the exact representation of His being (exactly as God both in character and power) carrying all His (God's) glory (power)
If we remember clearly, the Bible says God will never share his glory with anybody. But here it says Christ carries God's glory. How is that possible if Christ isn't God.

The most powerful verse I can show to support my claim is;

1 Tim 3:16; And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Christ is God manifested in the flesh... seen of angels.
For the first time since their creation angels saw this invisible God when Christ was born. They've only felt his presence and seen his glory. They've never seen Him in person. That's why there were great multitude of angels to behold His birth in the manger . They came to witness the presence of God and they rejoiced greatly..
The angels, who beheld this amazing scene of God manifest in the flesh, were the first publishers to man the most important event they've ever witnessed.

Perfectbeing:
I'd rather you do an indepth study of the word concerning what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and stop spreading this false message of eternal doom.

God will forgive you of any sin or sins. The sin of unbelief is the sin against the Holy Spirit (the sin of blasphemy) that Jesus talked about. The only way one can be beyond repentance is when he/she dies an unbeliever. that is, he or she dies without believing in the redemptive power of the blood of Jesus Christ. When someone believes and is born again he receives the seal of the Holy Spirit. Anyone without that seal is not a believer and is in danger of hell cos he blaspheme against the Holy spirit.

Bless you

And to you op, It's never too late to accept Christ and believe in him. He wants you saved that's why he died for you in the first place. So brother put down that pride or ego or whatever you're trying to sell and accept Christ. Your life actually depends on it.

Bless you..

spartan117:
hmm let this serve as a warning to other atheists and unbelievers:

you can insult me,God,Jesus Christ and still be forgiven, but never ever insult or ridicule the holy spirit this is the only unforgivable sin recorded in the Bible.

the moment you do, you have signed up for an eternity of eternal torment and condemnation in the lake of fire.

I'd rather you do an indepth study of the word concerning what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and stop spreading this false message of eternal doom.

God will forgive you of any sin or sins. The sin of unbelief is the sin against the Holy Spirit (the sin of blasphemy) that Jesus talked about. The only way one can be beyond repentance is when he/she dies an unbeliever. that is, he or she dies without believing in the redemptive power of the blood of Jesus Christ. When someone believes and is born again he receives the seal of the Holy Spirit. Anyone without that seal is not a believer and is in danger of hell cos he blaspheme against the Holy spirit.

Bless you

geoworldedu:
So Holy Spirit is only interested in disvirgining people's pvssy. Chei! Bikonj, this holy spirit na original Womanizer Vaginalizer(Virginalizer) he he he he

You know even after all this trash you're typing Jesus still loves you right? I pray the Lord gives you insight

Originakalokalo:
This one is doomed already.

Any blasphemy against the spirit is not forgiven..Not here and definitely not after here.

Your sins are after you and there is No one to plead for you.

You are doomed brother.

Believe me,


You are doomed.

Brother, the whole world was doomed but Christ stilled died for it any way. You're to lead this lost brother to Christ not preach to him the message of doom..
They're no sin too big that the blood of Jesus Christ cannot save a person from. Show this our dear brother the love of Christ and not condemn him to eternal doom cos Christ did not condemn you.

shigoslim:
you are a fool. you think every one is dullard .... which oil deposit is available in Niger Republic...... Are you okay ?
That is what i'm telling people that the igbo are political divided because of the oil deposit. there is nothing like south- east south and south-south
, you guys need to come together and fight for your common goal if care is nothing taking you people will be enslaved.

Are you assuming there's no oil deposit in Niger republic or you know for sure?

proeast:
Lol, who in his right sense will build a refinery in a terrorist haven I just hope Boko Haram will not turn it into perpetual burning furnace and he'll fire. They are only gambling with $2 billion and the lives of those around. I won't be found anywhere within 40 miles radius of that time bomb

Feel free to invest your billions in the militant infested SS