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Amberon11:
Seun lalasticlala

You people turn a blind eye to all the insanity and insults these people have dished out. Christians get banned for less things.

Calm down bro. It is a good thing the OP is spewing this trash here. Perhaps this is an avenue for him to be saved..

Maamin:
Why did you ask of something of someone when you cant give that, when the same is ask of you?

Be a good Christian brother.

I must answer your questions how you want but you will answer mine how you want hun? Only those with ulterior motive do that.

Fine.

I will try as much as possible to give your questions more comprehensive answers by the Grace of God.

Fine. I apologize for that. It was immature of me.

Maamin:
Yes or is the Holy spirit not coequal enough to have HIS own throne?

I'm coming to that sir.

Maamin:
To answer your question God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity.

The funny thing is how the third party in the trinity is less talked about or completely and stylishly left out in the heat of conversation.

Trinity remains a false and pagan concept.

We shall know the truth and the truth shall set us free indeed.

Shalom aleikhem

And who is this truth that we shall know and set us free if not Jesus the Truth.

I'm coming to the Holy Spirit. I cannot start talking about the Holy Spirit when we still haven't agree about the son and the father. it will only bring in more confusion.

I call you blessed..

Maamin:
My question was directed to the two thrones mentioned in revelations. When you've answered that, that will bring us back to the literal throne of David. I'm waiting

sorry for that. I though you misinterpreted me

Maamin:
Was there anything made without the ONE whom the WORd proceeds from?

God is eternal, everlasting, has no beginning, and has no end. Everything that comes from God is eternal, everlasting, has no beginning, and has no end. The Word (Jesus) comes from God. The Word (Jesus) is eternal, everlasting, has no beginning and has no end.

A lion begets a lion. The parent lion is not eternal, everlasting. It has beginning, it has an end. So is the baby lion.

We humans, we are begotten from our papa and mama. Our parents are not eternal or everlasting, they have beginnings and they have ends. We are not eternal or everlasting, we have beginnings and we have ends.

Jesus is begotten from God. He is God's begotten son (John 3:16). That is, He is from God Himself. And anything that is from God (begotten from God) (in this case, Jesus) is eternal, everlasting, has no beginning and has no end.
Jesus shares God's DNA (permit me to use scientific terms).
God DNA is eternal, everlasting, no beginning, no end.


The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. God is eternal, everlasting, has no beginning, and has no end. His Spirit is eternal, everlasting, has no beginning, and has no end.


In summary, Jesus is God.

I call you blessed.

Maamin:
I insist you go back and also give me definite answers, in fact I have made it so easy for you to give a YES or NO answer.

I've given you my answer sir. I told you I can't give you a definite answer.

But then, you got my message right?

Maamin:
My question is there at the bold..

My question now is in revelations

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

I feel something is missing out in this triniterian teaching that makes it unacceptable.

in other words God and Father and God the son as been established but God the Holy Spirit have not. Is this what you mean to say

Continuation from my previous questions to Christians only.

For those that say Jesus is a Mighty God but not the Almighty God, what you mean exactly is that there are more than one God in heaven (since Jesus is from heaven). The first one is the Almighty God, in other words, the greater God. And the second is the Mighty God, in other words the lesser god. (some said Jesus is not God but a god. they translate John 1:1 as... and the word was a god) Same goes for you guys too..

Lets look at the first three commandments.

Exodus 20:1-5
And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1st comm: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2nd comm: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
3rd comm: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

In the first commandment, the Almighty God (Yahweh) said we should have no other god (or mighty God) except Him. So if Isa 9:6 was talking about another mighty God and not the Almighty God Himself, it is either God is introducing us to another god that would save mankind making him a confused God or the Bible contradicts itself.

In the 2nd commandent, God warns against creating for ourselves, a graven image or likeness of anything in the heavens. And in the 3rd commandments we are told not to bow to them or serve them or worship them or pray to/ through them. (Don't tell me you don't see worship or pray written there. You can't serve what you don't worship and you don't pray to/through what you don't serve)
One thing we (or most Christians) agree on (whether trinitarians or not) is that Jesus (who some call a god or a mighty God) comes from heaven same as God almighty. If these two Gods (almighty God and mighty God) are not the same, then the second commandment must be flawed since Alright God warns us not to bow down or worship or serve another God or the likeness of another God. Or God is confused here too.

Also in Isa 9:6, Jesus is called an everlasting Father and in Isaiah 40:28 God is called the everlasting God... Unless you mean the everlasting Father and the everlasting God are two different Beings, then I don't know what you mean.

Food for thought.

Who do you worship/serve/pray to?
God?
Jesus?
God and Jesus? OR
God through Jesus?


Please these questions are meant for Christians only.

Maamin:
Remember this king David's literal throne is meant to be forever inheritance of Christ.

Here are bible verses for reference
1 Chronicles 17:10-14
Luke 1:32-33
Isaiah 2:1-4
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 11:1-10
Isaiah 16:5
Isaiah 40:1-11
Isaiah 52:7-15
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Jeremiah 33:17-26
Daniel 2:44
Daniel 7:27
Micah 4:1-5
Micah 5:2-5
Zechariah 9:9

My question now is in revelations

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

I feel something is missing out in this triniterian teaching that makes it unacceptable.

Where do you have your problem in bro?

spartan117:
I'm not God to pass judgment.
however the Scripture is very clear on this matter, but it is God that knows the heart of men, hence only he can judge.

however if you do get a new insight into that Scripture pls do well to share for my enlightenment.

very well bro. I just did in the above post.

I called you blessed

Amberon11:
Can the sin against the holy spirit be forgiven? Yes or no?

No. Not at all. But you need to understand what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit means.

Let me explain.

The sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit also called the unpardonable sin is the state of continual unbelief unto death. The Spirit currently convicts the unsaved world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:. To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. So any and every unbeliever is guilty of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. And there is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in that unbelief.
The love of God is evident: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). And the choice is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).
After we believe, we receive the seal of the Holy Spirit, the proof of our salvation which is eternal. For someone to not have that seal means he haven't believed to begin with. So he's guilty of the sin of blasphemy against the spirit.

So my dear geoworld, I employ you to believe in the the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. It is not God's will that you or anyone at all should perish so he laid down his life that through it, you will be saved.
Bless you bro

Shelumiel:
So we have two Fathers' right ? Please answer .

food for thought

Maamin:
Remember this king David's literal throne is meant to be forever inheritance of Christ.

Here are bible verses for reference
1 Chronicles 17:10-14
Luke 1:32-33
Isaiah 2:1-4
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 11:1-10
Isaiah 16:5
Isaiah 40:1-11
Isaiah 52:7-15
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Jeremiah 33:17-26
Daniel 2:44
Daniel 7:27
Micah 4:1-5
Micah 5:2-5
Zechariah 9:9

My question now is in revelations

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
I feel something is missing out in this triniterian teaching that makes it unacceptable.

When I say king David throne is literal I meant the literal king David (the one that ruled after king Saul and before king Solomon . I should have used king Saul instead of David.

But you get my point now right?

Maamin:
Perfectbeing



Yes and most of us here will still say he is 3 = 1



Man made doctrine led us all to this point



The word was with God (the father),and the Word was God(as well).

What is the "word" then?



Just as we all are one body in Christ Jesus.



Still does not say "I Jesus I am the father"[/quote]Still doesn't say "I Jesus, I'm not the Father"

Image ,meaning the real thing is also there[/quote]Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily



"By" "through", meaning there is still the original or main source.[/quote]What do I mean if I say "that food was made by me? "



Yes in the person of Christ.



Mighty God not Almighty God (for the record G or g does not make the word "God" have any greater or lesser meaning than what it means) don't confuse yourself with English, there was no uppercase or lowercase in the manuscripts. I already explained this using the word "Teacher" or "teacher" as an example.[/quote]The early Translators were Jewish. Jewish people didn't call God by his name. The name of God was sacred to them and it was regarded blasphemy to mention or write his name. So when the translators translated Elohim or Yahweh, they used capital G. And when they the translated the other man made gods like Baal, they used lowercase G



But trinity made him into 3 in 1



Also you can use "through" which the father has redeemed mankind back to himself.



There is still another behind the making he is no other than the father



The question remains did Jesus made Himself equal to God his father?[/quote]No the question is, did Jesus denied his equality with God when he was accused of doing so?





'This authority have I received from my father' yes.. if you do not honour the servant sent by a king you do not honour the King himself.





"He" the anointed one, the messiah that is HE whom moses wrote about



Reading from verse 1 of that chapter 8 to the end will be better.



But you where once guilty of that earlier. For a selfish reason may be.

There is but one truth tell it like it is.[/quote]I didn't reply some of your messages cos the explanation I have are too lengthy. But I'll try to in my subsequent replies..

Maamin:
Now my questions can't be answered with definite answers...lol!

Do unto others as you like them do unto you.

...Same measure pressed down shaken and running over..will also be used for you.

My questions were of yes or no answers
Either definite answers or forget all you wrote up there.

noted sir.. But you got my message right?

Maamin:
I gave you my answer with clear explanation but you asked for definite answer. And I also provided but you on the other hand is replying with indefinite answers if I may ask.

Jesus and God the father are one in what sense here?

Your answer will show how your trinity doctrine makes you speak from both sides of your mouth.

Does Jesus have a God?
Did Jesus prayed to and worshipped God?
Is Jesus equal to the Father he prayed to?
Is the Father he prayed to Greater than Jesus?

Please I need definite answer as well.

Pardon me but your questions cannot be answered with definite answers

Nevertheless I'll answer them still.

Before I begin, I'll like to say that I prefer to use the word Godhead instead of trinity. It's my preference.

Jesus is the second person in the Godhead who became flesh and dwelt among us ( John 1:1 , 14 ). Therefore, Jesus has two distinct natures. He is both God and man. As a man, it was necessary that he be born of a woman and therefore born under the Law ( Galatians 4:4 ). Since he was under the Law, he was obligated to love God and worship Him. It says in
Deuteronomy 6:5 that we are to love the Lord our God, and in Deuteronomy 6:13 we are told, "You shall fear only the Lord your God; and you shall worship Him, and swear by His name." So, Jesus had to obey the Law, and he had to worship God the Father. Therefore, we see that Jesus was a man who had to fulfill the law, which included worshiping God. But, because he is also the Son then he is the Son by relation to the Father. Now we can understand why the text would say "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Romans 15:6 , "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ."
1 Peter 1:3 , "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
So when we see the phrase "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," we can now understand that it's speaking of the Godhead and how Jesus, God in flesh, who was a man required to keep the Law, would have someone he would call God, someone he would worship and someone he would pray to according to Deuteronomy 6:13 , who would be considered the God and Father of Jesus.

Perfectbeing:
I am sure that even if Christ had said "I am Yahweh Himself and Yahweh is me and I mean this literarily and not figuratively" most of us here still won't have been able to understand what he's saying.

The sin of man really did blinded man from seeing or knowing God, that even when he came to us in flesh we still cannot recognize him.
Either that or it is English language that have problem with us..

upon all the sayings in the scriptures;
1.... the word was with God, and the word was God.
2.. I and the father are one.
3... if you see me you've seen the Father.
4... Christ the image of God.
5... By him and through him the world was created.
6... His name shall be called immanuel, translating God with us.
7... His name shall be called wonderful.... Mighty God (uppercase G), everlasting Father (Isa 9:6)
8.... Before Me there was no God formed , Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Isaiah 43:10,11
9... To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
10...Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3 ; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things).
11.... therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God (even the Jews understood what he meant by Son of God. John 5:17,18
12... He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:23.
13.... “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.

I'd like you all to read John 8:24 from any translation you like..

Hope somebody will not say I jumped verses..

Why isn't anything said about this?

Maamin:
Well done, as comprehensive as this is, they will come and tell you that Jesus is Yahweh the father but in trinity Jesus is separate from the Father as well as the holy spirit. What a confuse doctrine. Smh!

Let's hear your doctrine then...

Who is Jesus?
Was he created?

If yes,
Was he created like the other angels or was he different from them?
Did he help God in the creation of other creations?
In John 1:3, It was said that ALL THINGS were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made (remember the Bible said ALL THINGS) .
Did the ALL THINGS included Himself (since you said he was created) or did the creation of the ALL THINGS started after he was created?
Explain
John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.

OneJ:
U guys always misapply " I and my Father are one" . Christ & his father are one just like Christ and his followers John 17:11,21.
Besides, this is what Christ actually meant Amos3:3. Just like man & wife matt19:4-6.



His Father, Yahweh( Jehovah) granted that authority to Jesus his son . (John 3:35. Hebrew 1:1,2) .Do you agree?
Jesus & his Father are different entities. Do U agree ? John 14:1. 17:3. 1Cor 15:27

This is exactly what I was saying. We don't know when the passage is literal or figurative..

what about John 1:1... the word was with God and the word was God".
Is that figurative.. was that a verse explaining Jesus' followers are being the word of God?

Maamin:
I gave you my answer with clear explanation but you asked for definite answer. And I also provided but you on the other hand is replying with indefinite answers if I may ask.

Jesus and God the father are one in what sense here?

Your answer will show how your trinity doctrine makes you speak from both sides of your mouth.

Does Jesus have a God?
Did Jesus prayed to and worshipped God?
Is Jesus equal to the Father he prayed to?
Is the Father he prayed to Greater than Jesus?

Please I need definite answers as well.

use scriptures to explain scriptures.

John 20:27-28;
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas clearly called Jesus God. (G in uppercase) and he wasn't rebuked by Jesus but rather Jesus replied in verse 29, because you've seen you believe. Blesses is he who believe without seeing.
Jesus would have corrected him, if He wasn't God

OneJ:
Shelumiel, the "Us" is some one ,the Bible called "the only begotten son of God (or only begotten god) who is at the Father's side". (John 1:14,18).
Jesus is not Almighty God himself.

Rather, the Almighty God was in a conversation with another person, evidently, His only begotten son, Jesus christ.
Gen3:22 " Jehovah (Yahweh) God then said " Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good & bad"

Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God Almighty created the heavens & the earth"

John 1:3 ,10 " THROUGH him all things were made".... the world was made THROUGH him"
Heb1:1, 2 " In the past ,God spoke to our forefathers.... but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON (Jesus) whom HE (God Almighty) APPOINTED HEIR of all things, AND THROUGH whom HE (God Almighty) made the universe"

Jesus worked as "the craftsman" through whom (Yahweh ) Jehovah God, his Father, created the universe.

A craftsman built a mansion ,yes. But the original owner/financier actually built the mansion

Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh ( Jehovah) produced me ("possessed me/ made me/ brought me forth" as the first (the beginning) of His works" ..... when HE marked out the foundation of the earth, I was the craftsman at his (Father's) side".


Any power, authority, glory /honour that Christ received, Yahweh (JEHOVAH )had permitted & granted it.
"The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand." John 3:35.


This is not rocket science.

shalom aleichem.

You likened Jesus to be the craftsman and God to be the original owner. That's good.
but
John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him and through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among..
"By him" (tells us about the owner, Jesus) and "through him" tells us about the craftsman (also Jesus.. And the next statement (...and without him, nothing was made that was made) shows that we can't separate the owner from the craftsman .

you also said
Any power, authority, glory /honour that Christ received, Yahweh (JEHOVAH )had permitted & granted it.
"The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand." John 3:35.
the Father gave all things to his son right? But It's 42:8 says; I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Since God cannot share his glory with another doesn't that mean that Jesus must be God Himself?

Maamin:
Believe me, I don't know it all. In as much as I teach what I know, I am also open to learn from others too.

But don't forget that throne(s) were also mention in heaven in the book of Revelations.

The scripture must agree in it entirety as well.

The book of revelations is too lengthy in to explain. most times thrones was used figuratively in the Bible to signify authority.

I said most times not all the time.
king David throne throne in the Bible meant a literal throne..

Maamin:
Act 7:55-56 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and[b] set him at his own right hand[/b] in the heavenly places,

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Hebrew 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Do you have any version that used power or authority? I am presently using kjv

Though I know the father is not a physical entity. Just for more clarity

Thanks!

you answered yourself in Matthew 26:64.
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

I am sure that even if Christ had said "I am Yahweh Himself and Yahweh is me and I mean this literarily and not figuratively" most of us here still won't have been able to understand what he's saying.

The sin of man really did blinded man from seeing or knowing God, that even when he came to us in flesh we still cannot recognize him.
Either that or it is English language that have problem with us..

upon all the sayings in the scriptures;
1.... the word was with God, and the word was God.
2.. I and the father are one.
3... if you see me you've seen the Father.
4... Christ the image of God.
5... By him and through him the world was created.
6... His name shall be called immanuel, translating God with us.
7... His name shall be called wonderful.... Mighty God (uppercase G), everlasting Father (Isa 9:6)
8.... Before Me there was no God formed , Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Isaiah 43:10,11
9... To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
10...Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3 ; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things).
11.... therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God (even the Jews understood what he meant by Son of God. John 5:17,18
12... He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:23.
13.... “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.

I'd like you all to read John 8:24 from any translation you like..

Hope somebody will not say I jumped verses..

And also lets try not to use insulting words here. We are all believers here. We're trying not to win an argument here but to explain what we understand on this topic of trinity.

I repeat, ignore.. Do not feed the trolls

Amberon11:
God's word is clear. The sin against the holy spirit can never be forgiven neither in this age nor in the one to come. Wether we like it or not that's the fact.

Is the op doomed forever? Yes or no?

Shelumiel:
Get this straight : there is nowhere in scripture , where the word Trinity is mentioned ; but can we deny the concept there ? No ! But back to your question : Genesis 1 :1-5 gives us detail of who the "Us" is . In Genesis 1:1, we are told of a God. In verse 2, there is a Spirit hovering over the face of the waters .In verse 3, God is using a voice to create; this voice is the Word of God (Jesus) .These three are what the Bible referred to as the "US" or in Hebrew, Elohim(which is plural for God ).

True.

just like rapture was not mentioned in the bibe but the concept cannot be denied.

Maamin:
Hahahaha...you don't need to, but it seems your fallacy was detected quick.

Can you show me any explicit verse where Jesus said he is God the Father?

But at least I have shown you where he identify himself as Son of God.

That is a head start.

No I can't show you any explicit verse where Jesus said he is God the father.

But I can show you John 1:1.
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
The word was God. This verse statement isn't figurative it. It is literal.
John 10:30; I and my father are one. Is not figurative. It is literal.

Shelumiel:
Get this straight : there is nowhere in scripture , where the word Trinity is mentioned ; but can we deny the concept there ? No ! But back to your question : Genesis 1 :1-5 gives us detail of who the "Us" is . In Genesis 1:1, we are told of a God. In verse 2, there is a Spirit hovering over the face of the waters .In verse 3, God is using a voice to create; this voice is the Word of God (Jesus) .These three are what the Bible referred to as the "US" or in Hebrew, Elohim(which is plural for God ).

yeah