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Maamin:
Remember this king David's literal throne is meant to be forever inheritance of Christ.

Here are bible verses for reference
1 Chronicles 17:10-14
Luke 1:32-33
Isaiah 2:1-4
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 11:1-10
Isaiah 16:5
Isaiah 40:1-11
Isaiah 52:7-15
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Jeremiah 33:17-26
Daniel 2:44
Daniel 7:27
Micah 4:1-5
Micah 5:2-5
Zechariah 9:9

My question now is in revelations

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

I feel something is missing out in this triniterian teaching that makes it unacceptable.

Where do you have your problem in bro?

spartan117:
I'm not God to pass judgment.
however the Scripture is very clear on this matter, but it is God that knows the heart of men, hence only he can judge.

however if you do get a new insight into that Scripture pls do well to share for my enlightenment.

very well bro. I just did in the above post.

I called you blessed

Amberon11:
Can the sin against the holy spirit be forgiven? Yes or no?

No. Not at all. But you need to understand what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit means.

Let me explain.

The sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit also called the unpardonable sin is the state of continual unbelief unto death. The Spirit currently convicts the unsaved world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:. To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. So any and every unbeliever is guilty of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. And there is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in that unbelief.
The love of God is evident: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). And the choice is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).
After we believe, we receive the seal of the Holy Spirit, the proof of our salvation which is eternal. For someone to not have that seal means he haven't believed to begin with. So he's guilty of the sin of blasphemy against the spirit.

So my dear geoworld, I employ you to believe in the the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. It is not God's will that you or anyone at all should perish so he laid down his life that through it, you will be saved.
Bless you bro

Shelumiel:
So we have two Fathers' right ? Please answer .

food for thought

Maamin:
Remember this king David's literal throne is meant to be forever inheritance of Christ.

Here are bible verses for reference
1 Chronicles 17:10-14
Luke 1:32-33
Isaiah 2:1-4
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 11:1-10
Isaiah 16:5
Isaiah 40:1-11
Isaiah 52:7-15
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Jeremiah 33:17-26
Daniel 2:44
Daniel 7:27
Micah 4:1-5
Micah 5:2-5
Zechariah 9:9

My question now is in revelations

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit. How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine

Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
I feel something is missing out in this triniterian teaching that makes it unacceptable.

When I say king David throne is literal I meant the literal king David (the one that ruled after king Saul and before king Solomon . I should have used king Saul instead of David.

But you get my point now right?

Maamin:
Perfectbeing



Yes and most of us here will still say he is 3 = 1



Man made doctrine led us all to this point



The word was with God (the father),and the Word was God(as well).

What is the "word" then?



Just as we all are one body in Christ Jesus.



Still does not say "I Jesus I am the father"[/quote]Still doesn't say "I Jesus, I'm not the Father"

Image ,meaning the real thing is also there[/quote]Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily



"By" "through", meaning there is still the original or main source.[/quote]What do I mean if I say "that food was made by me? "



Yes in the person of Christ.



Mighty God not Almighty God (for the record G or g does not make the word "God" have any greater or lesser meaning than what it means) don't confuse yourself with English, there was no uppercase or lowercase in the manuscripts. I already explained this using the word "Teacher" or "teacher" as an example.[/quote]The early Translators were Jewish. Jewish people didn't call God by his name. The name of God was sacred to them and it was regarded blasphemy to mention or write his name. So when the translators translated Elohim or Yahweh, they used capital G. And when they the translated the other man made gods like Baal, they used lowercase G



But trinity made him into 3 in 1



Also you can use "through" which the father has redeemed mankind back to himself.



There is still another behind the making he is no other than the father



The question remains did Jesus made Himself equal to God his father?[/quote]No the question is, did Jesus denied his equality with God when he was accused of doing so?





'This authority have I received from my father' yes.. if you do not honour the servant sent by a king you do not honour the King himself.





"He" the anointed one, the messiah that is HE whom moses wrote about



Reading from verse 1 of that chapter 8 to the end will be better.



But you where once guilty of that earlier. For a selfish reason may be.

There is but one truth tell it like it is.[/quote]I didn't reply some of your messages cos the explanation I have are too lengthy. But I'll try to in my subsequent replies..

Maamin:
Now my questions can't be answered with definite answers...lol!

Do unto others as you like them do unto you.

...Same measure pressed down shaken and running over..will also be used for you.

My questions were of yes or no answers
Either definite answers or forget all you wrote up there.

noted sir.. But you got my message right?

Maamin:
I gave you my answer with clear explanation but you asked for definite answer. And I also provided but you on the other hand is replying with indefinite answers if I may ask.

Jesus and God the father are one in what sense here?

Your answer will show how your trinity doctrine makes you speak from both sides of your mouth.

Does Jesus have a God?
Did Jesus prayed to and worshipped God?
Is Jesus equal to the Father he prayed to?
Is the Father he prayed to Greater than Jesus?

Please I need definite answer as well.

Pardon me but your questions cannot be answered with definite answers

Nevertheless I'll answer them still.

Before I begin, I'll like to say that I prefer to use the word Godhead instead of trinity. It's my preference.

Jesus is the second person in the Godhead who became flesh and dwelt among us ( John 1:1 , 14 ). Therefore, Jesus has two distinct natures. He is both God and man. As a man, it was necessary that he be born of a woman and therefore born under the Law ( Galatians 4:4 ). Since he was under the Law, he was obligated to love God and worship Him. It says in
Deuteronomy 6:5 that we are to love the Lord our God, and in Deuteronomy 6:13 we are told, "You shall fear only the Lord your God; and you shall worship Him, and swear by His name." So, Jesus had to obey the Law, and he had to worship God the Father. Therefore, we see that Jesus was a man who had to fulfill the law, which included worshiping God. But, because he is also the Son then he is the Son by relation to the Father. Now we can understand why the text would say "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Romans 15:6 , "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ."
1 Peter 1:3 , "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ , who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."
So when we see the phrase "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," we can now understand that it's speaking of the Godhead and how Jesus, God in flesh, who was a man required to keep the Law, would have someone he would call God, someone he would worship and someone he would pray to according to Deuteronomy 6:13 , who would be considered the God and Father of Jesus.

Perfectbeing:
I am sure that even if Christ had said "I am Yahweh Himself and Yahweh is me and I mean this literarily and not figuratively" most of us here still won't have been able to understand what he's saying.

The sin of man really did blinded man from seeing or knowing God, that even when he came to us in flesh we still cannot recognize him.
Either that or it is English language that have problem with us..

upon all the sayings in the scriptures;
1.... the word was with God, and the word was God.
2.. I and the father are one.
3... if you see me you've seen the Father.
4... Christ the image of God.
5... By him and through him the world was created.
6... His name shall be called immanuel, translating God with us.
7... His name shall be called wonderful.... Mighty God (uppercase G), everlasting Father (Isa 9:6)
8.... Before Me there was no God formed , Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Isaiah 43:10,11
9... To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
10...Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3 ; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things).
11.... therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God (even the Jews understood what he meant by Son of God. John 5:17,18
12... He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:23.
13.... “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.

I'd like you all to read John 8:24 from any translation you like..

Hope somebody will not say I jumped verses..

Why isn't anything said about this?

Maamin:
Well done, as comprehensive as this is, they will come and tell you that Jesus is Yahweh the father but in trinity Jesus is separate from the Father as well as the holy spirit. What a confuse doctrine. Smh!

Let's hear your doctrine then...

Who is Jesus?
Was he created?

If yes,
Was he created like the other angels or was he different from them?
Did he help God in the creation of other creations?
In John 1:3, It was said that ALL THINGS were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made (remember the Bible said ALL THINGS) .
Did the ALL THINGS included Himself (since you said he was created) or did the creation of the ALL THINGS started after he was created?
Explain
John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.

OneJ:
U guys always misapply " I and my Father are one" . Christ & his father are one just like Christ and his followers John 17:11,21.
Besides, this is what Christ actually meant Amos3:3. Just like man & wife matt19:4-6.



His Father, Yahweh( Jehovah) granted that authority to Jesus his son . (John 3:35. Hebrew 1:1,2) .Do you agree?
Jesus & his Father are different entities. Do U agree ? John 14:1. 17:3. 1Cor 15:27

This is exactly what I was saying. We don't know when the passage is literal or figurative..

what about John 1:1... the word was with God and the word was God".
Is that figurative.. was that a verse explaining Jesus' followers are being the word of God?

Maamin:
I gave you my answer with clear explanation but you asked for definite answer. And I also provided but you on the other hand is replying with indefinite answers if I may ask.

Jesus and God the father are one in what sense here?

Your answer will show how your trinity doctrine makes you speak from both sides of your mouth.

Does Jesus have a God?
Did Jesus prayed to and worshipped God?
Is Jesus equal to the Father he prayed to?
Is the Father he prayed to Greater than Jesus?

Please I need definite answers as well.

use scriptures to explain scriptures.

John 20:27-28;
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas clearly called Jesus God. (G in uppercase) and he wasn't rebuked by Jesus but rather Jesus replied in verse 29, because you've seen you believe. Blesses is he who believe without seeing.
Jesus would have corrected him, if He wasn't God

OneJ:
Shelumiel, the "Us" is some one ,the Bible called "the only begotten son of God (or only begotten god) who is at the Father's side". (John 1:14,18).
Jesus is not Almighty God himself.

Rather, the Almighty God was in a conversation with another person, evidently, His only begotten son, Jesus christ.
Gen3:22 " Jehovah (Yahweh) God then said " Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good & bad"

Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God Almighty created the heavens & the earth"

John 1:3 ,10 " THROUGH him all things were made".... the world was made THROUGH him"
Heb1:1, 2 " In the past ,God spoke to our forefathers.... but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON (Jesus) whom HE (God Almighty) APPOINTED HEIR of all things, AND THROUGH whom HE (God Almighty) made the universe"

Jesus worked as "the craftsman" through whom (Yahweh ) Jehovah God, his Father, created the universe.

A craftsman built a mansion ,yes. But the original owner/financier actually built the mansion

Prov8:22-30 " Yahweh ( Jehovah) produced me ("possessed me/ made me/ brought me forth" as the first (the beginning) of His works" ..... when HE marked out the foundation of the earth, I was the craftsman at his (Father's) side".


Any power, authority, glory /honour that Christ received, Yahweh (JEHOVAH )had permitted & granted it.
"The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand." John 3:35.


This is not rocket science.

shalom aleichem.

You likened Jesus to be the craftsman and God to be the original owner. That's good.
but
John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him and through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among..
"By him" (tells us about the owner, Jesus) and "through him" tells us about the craftsman (also Jesus.. And the next statement (...and without him, nothing was made that was made) shows that we can't separate the owner from the craftsman .

you also said
Any power, authority, glory /honour that Christ received, Yahweh (JEHOVAH )had permitted & granted it.
"The Father loves the son and has given all things into his hand." John 3:35.
the Father gave all things to his son right? But It's 42:8 says; I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Since God cannot share his glory with another doesn't that mean that Jesus must be God Himself?

Maamin:
Believe me, I don't know it all. In as much as I teach what I know, I am also open to learn from others too.

But don't forget that throne(s) were also mention in heaven in the book of Revelations.

The scripture must agree in it entirety as well.

The book of revelations is too lengthy in to explain. most times thrones was used figuratively in the Bible to signify authority.

I said most times not all the time.
king David throne throne in the Bible meant a literal throne..

Maamin:
Act 7:55-56 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and[b] set him at his own right hand[/b] in the heavenly places,

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


Hebrew 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Do you have any version that used power or authority? I am presently using kjv

Though I know the father is not a physical entity. Just for more clarity

Thanks!

you answered yourself in Matthew 26:64.
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

I am sure that even if Christ had said "I am Yahweh Himself and Yahweh is me and I mean this literarily and not figuratively" most of us here still won't have been able to understand what he's saying.

The sin of man really did blinded man from seeing or knowing God, that even when he came to us in flesh we still cannot recognize him.
Either that or it is English language that have problem with us..

upon all the sayings in the scriptures;
1.... the word was with God, and the word was God.
2.. I and the father are one.
3... if you see me you've seen the Father.
4... Christ the image of God.
5... By him and through him the world was created.
6... His name shall be called immanuel, translating God with us.
7... His name shall be called wonderful.... Mighty God (uppercase G), everlasting Father (Isa 9:6)
8.... Before Me there was no God formed , Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Isaiah 43:10,11
9... To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
10...Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3 ; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things).
11.... therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God (even the Jews understood what he meant by Son of God. John 5:17,18
12... He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:23.
13.... “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.” John 8:24.

I'd like you all to read John 8:24 from any translation you like..

Hope somebody will not say I jumped verses..

And also lets try not to use insulting words here. We are all believers here. We're trying not to win an argument here but to explain what we understand on this topic of trinity.

I repeat, ignore.. Do not feed the trolls

Amberon11:
God's word is clear. The sin against the holy spirit can never be forgiven neither in this age nor in the one to come. Wether we like it or not that's the fact.

Is the op doomed forever? Yes or no?

Shelumiel:
Get this straight : there is nowhere in scripture , where the word Trinity is mentioned ; but can we deny the concept there ? No ! But back to your question : Genesis 1 :1-5 gives us detail of who the "Us" is . In Genesis 1:1, we are told of a God. In verse 2, there is a Spirit hovering over the face of the waters .In verse 3, God is using a voice to create; this voice is the Word of God (Jesus) .These three are what the Bible referred to as the "US" or in Hebrew, Elohim(which is plural for God ).

True.

just like rapture was not mentioned in the bibe but the concept cannot be denied.

Maamin:
Hahahaha...you don't need to, but it seems your fallacy was detected quick.

Can you show me any explicit verse where Jesus said he is God the Father?

But at least I have shown you where he identify himself as Son of God.

That is a head start.

No I can't show you any explicit verse where Jesus said he is God the father.

But I can show you John 1:1.
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
The word was God. This verse statement isn't figurative it. It is literal.
John 10:30; I and my father are one. Is not figurative. It is literal.

Shelumiel:
Get this straight : there is nowhere in scripture , where the word Trinity is mentioned ; but can we deny the concept there ? No ! But back to your question : Genesis 1 :1-5 gives us detail of who the "Us" is . In Genesis 1:1, we are told of a God. In verse 2, there is a Spirit hovering over the face of the waters .In verse 3, God is using a voice to create; this voice is the Word of God (Jesus) .These three are what the Bible referred to as the "US" or in Hebrew, Elohim(which is plural for God ).

yeah

Maamin:
OK fine.

God

Genesis 1:1

You must also answer my questions with definite answers too.

You said God ba?
But John 1:3 says, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
All things were made by him (Christ). If you say God made the world doesn't it mean we're saying about the same thing. That Jesus and God are one.?

I think we should all ignore the op. We'll only be feeding the troll.

Maamin:
Well done, but I see that you choose to jump verse 36 where he exclusively said "because I said I am the Son of God" and not "because I said I am God the father"

Stop misinterpreting Christ words like the Jews.

sorry sir, maybe next time I'll write the whole of Genesis to revelation so I don't have to jump verse..

Maamin:
You right, But the bible also said Christ is sitting at the right hand of power/God.

I think one major problem we Christian have is that we don't know the difference between a figurative statement and a literal statement.

Christ sitting on the right hand of God is a figurative statement and not a literal one. There's no chair in heaven that God or Christ is sitting on. Just like when you say President buhari is sitting in Aso Rock. It doesn't mean he's is literally sitting in Aso rock. It means he's sitting in a place of authority as the president of Nigeria. Christ on he right hand of God that Christ sits on a place of authority.

Maamin:
Nice analogy with the mirror and image. Now if I use a hammer to smash the image in the mirror what will happen? The image in the mirror crumbles down to the ground but the real person stand perfectly ok because he is the real thing.

Also don't forget the Trinity doctrine says father is separate person from the Son and son is separate person from the holy spirit, same way the holy spirit is separate person from the Father and the Son .

The conversation has been about the identity of the father and son since. Triniterians are yet to incorporate the holy spirit in their 3 in one doctrine.

May be you can help out.

Great.

I wouldn't call myself a trinitarian per say. I'm a believer of Christ. And that's what I know..

And your illustration with using hammer to smash to mirror is flawed cos Christ cannot be separated from God.

Amberon11:
The Bible is very very clear on the blasphemy of the holy spirit so there is nothing like in-depth study needed.

The sin against the holy spirit can never be forgiven not in the next world and definitely not in this one.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Spartan.

So the summary of what you're saying is that the op can never be saved again no matter what he does? Since he clearly has insulted the Holy Spirit... So you're telling him now that there's no more hope for him cos no matter what he does God will never forgive him.
He should keep on sinning cos even if he wants to accept Christ he will never be welcomed. Ever.. Is that what you're trying to say.

If that's what you're saying it means that everybody that have ever insulted the Holy Spirit even once in the their lives (both out of ignorance, or anger or even out of plain stupidity just like our dear OP here) even if they've repented God still haven't forgiven them. Christianity has never been a religion of hope in the first place if that's what you're saying..

spartan117:
thanks for your response. now let's examine Scriptures.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

now that we see that it's clearly written that blasphemy against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, let's examine what it means to blaspheme.

Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence to a deity, or sacred things, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable. Some religions consider blasphemy to be a religious crime. Wikipedia

Having carefully examined the above it's safe to conclude that blasphemy ( insulting or abusing) against the holy spirit is a sin that can never be forgiven.

may the spirit of truth guide you into all truth. peace of the lord.

So the summary of what you're saying is that the op can never be saved again no matter what he does? Since he clearly has insulted the Holy Spirit... So you're telling him now that there's no more hope for him cos no matter what he does God will never forgive him.

Maamin:
God the father created the World through the Son.

Hebrew 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Here are more reference
1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

All is 'of' the father and all is 'by' the son

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

It is not space science.

Shalom!

I want you to give me a definite answer. Who created the world?

Peacefullove:
Calm down

Ye are GODS, do you believe humans are GODS ?

Sir,
in verse 33, for you a mere man, claim to be God. Letter G was in capital letter. the translator uses capital G to signify Yahweh

34. is it not written in your law, i have said are you not gods. Here letter G is in lower case. It doesn't signify Yahweh.
thank you.

And to the person that said God should be replaced with Yahweh, I want to replace God with Yahweh in verse, 33. You a mere man claim to be Yahweh..

Maamin:
Nice question. We are beginning to head somewhere.

The bible has made us to understand that No one has in anytime seen God the father:

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Hebrew 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Col 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

2 Cor 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

What you should understand is that one of the main purpose of christ coming was to make the father known to us, that is to declare him unto man. Jesus took all what is of his father and showed or made it known to us. Everything is of the father. The proceeding verse of that John 14:9 you quoted even explained it more better and clearly by saying "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works 'sake." John 14:10-11

The bible also said that it pleased God the father to dwell in Christ fully

Col 1:19 "For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"

Seeing Jesus is seeing God the father, this is the reason why Jesus said "He who has seen me has SEEN the Father"

Remember the father sent the son, Jesus did not send himself. He did nothing of his own accord but the will of the father who sent him.

Now let's go by your notion that says Jesus is the same person as the Father Yahweh...
can you kindly answer the question you asked earlier about who were the "us" in Genesis 1?

If in fact Jesus is Yahweh the father then your trinity doctrine will be left with one party missing out of the three as one logic. It will be Jesus or Yahweh and the Holy Spirit.

So who are the "Us" in Genesis 1?

Great write up. But I must ask you my question too. Who created the world?