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Perfectbeing:
The one sitted on the throne and the lamb is the same. Both one and the same. Not different from each other. In Acts 7:55–56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1, Jesus (the lamb that was slain) was said to be SITTED at the right hand of the Father. The phrase, "God’s right hand" as some of us said earlier, is used throughout Scripture to indicate His power and authority and sovereignty. Jesus is sitted at this place of power and of authority and of sovereignty with God. Doesn't that tell us that Jesus and God are both the the same and not different, since God won't share his glory with any one.

That being said, I want to introduce us to the Greek word "kai". Please ride down with me.

"Kai" is a Greek word that is used to connect two words, phrases or clauses together, who function at the same level. With this function it is often called a coordinating conjuntion.

Things to note about the word "kai"

1. When Kai joins words or phrases together, it is simple enough and similar to English word "and".
E.g; James and John, Paul and Silas.

2 When Kai joins clauses and sentences, it is more complicated. Kai can function like an English "then" as in Matt 4:19 (Follow me, then
I will make you fishers of men). The English "and" can function the same way as in 'follow me and I will make you fishers of men.

3. When two plural nouns are connected by "kai" as in Ephesians 4:11, ...and some, pastors and teachers; The first noun, pastors, and the second noun, teachers are the same. So "teachers" is a further description of "pastors", not a separate category of individuals. This Greek construction means "pastors who are teachers", or "pastor - teachers".

4. When two SINGULAR nouns are connected by "kai", and the FIRST noun is ARTICILAR( has the article), and the SECOND is ANARTHROUS (does not have the article), the second noun is a FURTHER DESCRIPTION of the first noun.
Examples
a. Thess. 1:12, the KJV reads "the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ". God "theos" here is articular and Christ "christou" is anarthrous. Both are the same case, and therefore should read "the grace of Jesus Christ, our God and Lord".
b. Titus 2:13, the KJV reads "the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ". God "theos" here is articular, and Christ "christou" is anarthrous. Both nouns are in the same case, and therefore should read "our great God and Savior Jesus Christ".

MuttleyLaff:
Do you accept this, and agree to or with this Perfectbeing?

Maamin:
The one sitted on the throne there is the Father.

Perfectbeing:
And I did.
Rev 5:6; Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

The lamb stood at the center of the throne. He and the throne is encircled by the the living creatures and the elders. (KJV puts it that "...in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain" English wise they mean the same thing)

And also,
Didn't the beast joined the rest of the creatures in heaven to worship the lamb and the one sitted on the throne in 5:13?

zionmde:
There are many questions that would follow behind.
That's not my focus, I prefer helping Children

If the person is clean, No betting, womanizing, drinking, smoking etc I will consider helping out

MuttleyLaff:
God manisfested in three Persons is seen all over the bible,
but God is not limited or restricted to three Persons.

Limited by English, isnt a good enough reason
Do your best to win full approval in God's sight, as a worker who is not ashamed of his work, one who correctly teaches the message of God's truth.

What has been going on so far, is challenging a doctrine thats trying to make and/or have trinity be a be-all and end-all of God's existence.

Thrice in bible history, was God asked what His name is
On three separate occassions, God was asked of His name
Three different people in the course of bible narrative, asked God what His name is.
God never said what it is instead asking the reason why each wanted to know what His name is
The second person that asked was told, by God that His name is impossible to understand or comprehend
Do you know what the answer was, that God gave the third and last person that asked a similar question?

MuttleyLaff:
God manisfested in three Persons is seen all over the bible,
but God is not limited or restricted to three Persons.

Limited by English, isnt a good enough reason
Do your best to win full approval in God's sight, as a worker who is not ashamed of his work, one who correctly teaches the message of God's truth.

What has been going on so far, is challenging a doctrine thats trying to make and/or have trinity be a be-all and end-all of God's existence.

Thrice in bible history, was God asked what His name is
On three separate occassions, God was asked of His name
Three different people in the course of bible narrative, asked God what His name is.
God never said what it is instead asking the reason why each wanted to know what His name is
The second person that asked was told, by God that His name is impossible to understand or comprehend
Do you know what the answer was, that God gave the third and last person that asked a similar question?

MuttleyLaff:
I knew you were pulling my leg and know

Yes, Moses asked two questions, by saying:
“Suppose I go to the Israelites
and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’
and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ What should I tell them?”

God, here after, just like previous two other occasions ignored/declined saying what His name is
however He answers the second part of Moses' question
He told Moses, to say to the Israelites, that "I Am that I Am" sent him to them about liberating them from the Egyptian superpower of that time

Now the most interesting thing about "I Am that I Am" is that "I Am that I Am" is not a name.
It isnt even God's name
"I Am that I Am" is an expressive phrase,
simply addressing the second question in a telling and revealing way, whilst the first question is and was ignored

If God expresses Himself as "I Am that I Am", in order words "I will be what I will be", why limit Him to trinity?

Perfectbeing, trust me when and if I say, you arent trolling

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The above quotes, were exchanges posted 3 years ago, about Matthew 28:19

I reproduced them here because the exchanges are closely connected
and similar to the " Father, Son, Holy Spirit " Trinitarian formula, you in a relaxed manner, mentioned in your comment

Maybe you dont know, maybe you arent aware, maybe you havent found out
that what we have, as bible translations, even on to today, based on the politics, based on the agenda, based on the prevailing ignorance,
based on denominational doctrine, based on the holding to the tradition of men, based on the dogma, of the day,
have and have had numerous insertions, additions and inventions to the original text made to it.

Perfectbeing, Matthew 28:19, that you paraphrased in your comment, sadly is one of such and so is a victim of deliberate bible manipulation
It is glaring that someone so desperate to preach trinity as a doctrine, went to the great length of adding to Matthew 28:19 what was not, in the first instance, originally there

Maybe the perpetrator(s) isnt familiar with Proverbs 30:6, that says:
"Do not add to his words, or He will reprimand you, and you will be found to be a liar."

MuttleyLaff:
God manisfested in three Persons is seen all over the bible,
but God is not limited or restricted to three Persons.

Limited by English, isnt a good enough reason
Do your best to win full approval in God's sight, as a worker who is not ashamed of his work, one who correctly teaches the message of God's truth.

What has been going on so far, is challenging a doctrine thats trying to make and/or have trinity be a be-all and end-all of God's existence.

Thrice in bible history, was God asked what His name is
On three separate occassions, God was asked of His name
Three different people in the course of bible narrative, asked God what His name is.
God never said what it is instead asking the reason why each wanted to know what His name is
The second person that asked was told, by God that His name is impossible to understand or comprehend
Do you know what the answer was, that God gave the third and last person that asked a similar question?

MuttleyLaff:
God manisfested in three Persons is seen all over the bible,
but God is not limited or restricted to three Persons.

Limited by English, isnt a good enough reason
Do your best to win full approval in God's sight, as a worker who is not ashamed of his work, one who correctly teaches the message of God's truth.

What has been going on so far, is challenging a doctrine thats trying to make and/or have trinity be a be-all and end-all of God's existence.

Thrice in bible history, was God asked what His name is
On three separate occassions, God was asked of His name
Three different people in the course of bible narrative, asked God what His name is.
God never said what it is instead asking the reason why each wanted to know what His name is
The second person that asked was told, by God that His name is impossible to understand or comprehend
Do you know what the answer was, that God gave the third and last person that asked a similar question?

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon now Perfectbeing, stop pulling my leg....
Of course, you know.
Dont be shy, going on, go ahead, just say it

Primesky:
Hahaha. What a pity! Did you learn biology at all?. It seems you didn't pay attention in class.

Tell me, how does a foetus form without exchange of fluid between both sexes?.

The mystery of God is clearly bigger than you. The virgin womb of a virgin woman was chosen to carry the sinless saviour. I hope you understand that?.

The blood of Mary had no play in the process, neither was that of any man involved.

Let me tell you, stop trying to use your small brain to understand the limitless God. How can an ant, think of explaining the whole universe?. The oceans are there for you to explore and discover, yet, you do not know up to 5% of it with all your wisdom and reasoning. What a shame!. But you want to explain the creator of the whole universe, with what exactly?.

All you could think about with the brain God gave to you, is to believe that you're a mistake, a chance, an oops!, who came by random process. What an unfortunate state!.

Wake and return to your maker.

Jesus loves you plenty.

zionmde:
I don't give out money on the streets. I invest in their future. If u want to join me, I can give u a means to sponsor at least 1 kid back to school this September

MuttleyLaff:
If there is a "right hand of the throne"
there equally must be a "left, bad or wrong hand side of the throne".
It's similar to the expression of wanting to be on someone's good side

Why parked at trinity.
The Bible doesn't pigeonhole God into trinity.

We know and experience God, as God the Father, and Son of God. The demonstration of the God's power
is also known or experienced through the use of the Holy Spirit but that doesn't mean God is restricted or limited to those three persons

Maamin:
Hmmmmm

1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

That is the whole of Revelation 4
Where did it mentioned that it was Jesus apart from your own opinion here?

The next chapter will help you understand who was sitting anyways! Good luck!

Maamin:
I think if I understand him clearly, he is trying to say God resides somewhere above all his creations.

That very place he reside and makes the earth his foot stool.

That place that is unapproachable 1 Tim 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

Daniel 2:22 "It is He who reveals the profound and hidden things; He knows what is in the darkness, And the light dwells with Him."

Maamin:
Lol! Well done, You try

All I have been about this thread is to make you see the fallacy in trinity doctrine. It is gradually coming through sha!

Maamin:
May be I mistakenly skipped it unknowingly. So many mentions.
I try to reply all.
OK, will check!

MuttleyLaff:
What is Perfectbeing?
What is the wisdom, understanding, power, advice etcetera of Perfectbeing?
Are those different to Perfectbeing?
The wisdom, understanding, power, counsel are Perfect being, they are part of Perfect being, the same way the spirit of God is part of the Godhead which is God

Maamin:
What is so complex in my question?

How do you explain the two thrones in revelations that of the Father and that of the Son , according to you they are figurative. You promised earlier to comment on that.?

Maamin:
I asked a question and you are asking me did I read it? Read what?

Maamin:
Now Your last statement is coming true. The Son was begotten, the holy spirit was not begotten.

Maamin:
Exactly my reason to ask you to leave that out...lol!

Why trinity, why not 4, 5, 10, 100, or why not 1 as revealed in the scriptures?

OneJ:
"From heaven (Yahweh, Jehovah) looks down and sees all mankind.; From his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth". Ps33:13,14. Ps11:4,5. God's word is truth. Shalom

sonmvayina:
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LOL, we are spiritual beings inhabiting a body or dwelling in a fleshy body.. Death simply means the separation of spirit from the body, body goes to ground where it was taken from and spirit back to its original place.. Which is God..
Simply put, we are a part of God on a human journey.. We are all different versions of the same thing...
You understand now or you need more information?

Luciferhimself:
Stop telling lies again

I said "You will NOT CERTAINLY die" death didn't come from their eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil
Death came from God quickly driving them away from TREE OF LIFE!

if they had taken the fruit from tree of life they would've lived forever regardless of their eating the fruit of G&E

Let me give you proof from the book you carry around but don't read properly


22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. HE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO REACH OUT HIS HAND AND TAKE ALSO FROM THE TREE OF LIFE AND EAT, AND LIVE FOREVER.”

sonmvayina:
Yes, you are right, she was the serpent of the Evil tree in the original tale of the genesis story, it was the fruit of that tree that brought death... The serpent of the good tree was Ninghizhida.... It is about life and death,.

It means death is not real, it is an illusion as life is all there is....

She (inanna) and marduk (the divine king of heaven and earth) who the jews reverence are enemies.....

sonmvayina:
Yes, you are right, she was the serpent of the Evil tree in the original tale of the genesis story, it was the fruit of that tree that brought death... The serpent of the good tree was Ninghizhida.... It is about life and death,.

It means death is not real, it is an illusion as life is all there is....

She (inanna) and marduk (the divine king of heaven and earth) who the jews reverence are enemies.....

Luciferhimself:
Stop calling me what I'm not, I've never lied

Read the bible and tell me one single lie I told, you can't!

People say I lied to Eve but that's not true, I didn't lie to the beautiful woman but told him the unadulterated truth which God was keeping away from them

Let's check how the events unfolded

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

My reply came next

4“YOU WILL NOT CERTAINLY DIE,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “FOR GOD KNOWS THAT WHEN YOU EAT FROM IT YOUR EYES WILL BE OPENED, AND YOU WILL BE LIKE GOD, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL.”


They ate the fruit. Now after God had gotten angry and cursed the man and the woman, he proved I never lied when he confirmed the result I said the fruit would have on Adam and Eve. check out the verse


22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”

Compare the bolded statement above with verse 4 which I typed in red caps above and show me exactly where I lied. Those that are saying I lied are the true liars

I can boldly say I'm more sincere than God and I deserve that throne he sits on