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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:39pm On Jul 30, 2018
Some people keep uttering words they clearly don't know. "Even Jesus is not a Christian". Does that make any sense at all. Does Jesus need to be a Christian before he should be worshipped. What exactly is the meaning of "Christian" or "Christianity". It's just like saying "God did not serve God, so we shouldn't serve God"

And also someone said God requires human sacrifice. Nowhere did God ask for a human to be sacrificed in the whole Bible...
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:32pm On Jul 30, 2018
pressplay411:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. - 1 Timothy 4:1-3

But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. - 1 Timothy 4:7-8

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. -John 17:3-5
I like that. You just said the word outta my mouth
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:29pm On Jul 30, 2018
OneJ:
"...his name is the word of God' Rev 19:13.
Jesus the word simply means that he (Christ) is God's spokesman or Public Relations Officer ,so to say. (Just like Moses, Joshua, Amos etc before Christ).

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days, HE has spoken to us through his son whom HE appointed heir of all things & THROUGH whom HE made the universe".

" ...I do nothing on my own but SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME" John 8:28.

My Oga, this one no be rocket science. .

PS: I thought I had given my response in my previous reply. Pls kindly repost it.
Shalom.
Not once were the people you mentioned ( Moses, Joshua, Amos or the prophets) called the "Word of God" They weren't with God in the beginning. Neither are they begotten from God. Jesus is more than merely a spokesman or a PRO to God. He is the fullness in God in bodily form. Abraham, Moses and the prophets of old were merely spokesmen of God who doesn't deserve worship, honour and praise. Jesus deserve, worship and praise and honour.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:12pm On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Can you please quote James 1:27 here
to see what it says about religion that is true, pure and faultless before God's eye?
Can you quote John 3:16, 14:6, Heb 4:15
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:52am On Jul 30, 2018
TimeMachine:
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that. What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being. The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions. They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way. Religion is the broad way that you were warned against. You need Spirituality, not Religion. It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.
The funniest thing about this is that you guys will want to use the Bible to preach this devilish ideology of yours. The broad way the Bible talked about are those other ways (including this way of yours) man thinks can get him to God or get him saved. Jesus is the narrow way in the sense that, it is only through Him and Him alone that you can get to God. Apart from Jesus you'll never see or know God.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:44am On Jul 30, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
The meaning of the word God, carries the import that
God, is the Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence Self-Existing being cant be boxed up.

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
"
- James 1:27

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you.
"
- James 1:27

James 1:27 provides useful and interesting information on the type of religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless
James 1:27, clearly specifies, what genuine, authentic and faultless religion is

Well, actually, the word "religion" has changed its meaning from originally being benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need.

Yup, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera
I doubt you've ever asked about someone's belief or unbelief first before giving your compassion?

If anyone wants to do religion, then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless

Whatever the front,
the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it

Religion that is pure and faultless, is about not, how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance,
Religion that is pure and faultless, is not, about wearing hijab or burka
Before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) had been known to slip up on what pure and faultless religion is

Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion, is not true and so thereby is false religion
Giving to the poor, widows and orphans cannot save you or put you right with God. Even the Pharisees did that. The pharisees followed every part to the law to the uttermost. They prayed to God, tithe, fasted, gave to the poor. They even left grains in their farms for widows...

If doing good was all you need to be right with God, the Jesus wouldn't have died. God would simply have said "whoever doeth good deeds and giveth to the poor and orphans and widows shall not perish but have everlasting life". But no that's not what God wants "he wants you to believe in Jesus and you will not perish but have everlasting life." Jh 3:16.

According to Jesus in John 6:29, the work of the father is this; to believe in the One He has sent.

Acts 10:1-48 tells us about a man named Cornelius. According to the Bible Cornelius and his household were "devout and God-fearing...gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly" but his acts of good works could not save him. God acknowledged this works of his and didn't wanted it to be wasted. So he sent for Peter to preach about Christ to Cornelius and his household. Cornelius believed and then he was saved. My brother, if Cornelius had not believed and he kept on doing his good works, he'd have died and gone to hell.

Now I'm not preaching against doing good works of Love. I do give whenever I can. The Bible clearly admonishes us believers to do good to others and give to them. To love our neighbors as ourselves. But if you do all this righteous deeds without believing in Jesus Christ you're not in right standing with God. Remember, "the righteous of man is as a filthy rags to God".
Jesus is the righteousness of God. The only way to be at right standing and faultless with God is through Christ and Christ alone.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 9:02pm On Jul 29, 2018
I've been seeing things deeper than the bottomless pit since morning...

But I must say this.
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
The mystery of God has already been revealed in him. All man didn't knew about God before has been explained in Christ.

You guys keep saying God can't be contained in a box., or narrowed down in the Trinity.. But guess what? God was contained in Christ. The fullness of God dwelt in Christ. Jesus is all there is to know about God.

The complexity of God is simplified in Christ.
The unknown of God is known in Christ.
The mysteriousness of God is revealed in Christ. The invisibility of God is visible in Christ.
The distance of God has been drawn closer in Christ.
The nature of God has explained in Christ.
The love, mercy, compassion of God is shown in Christ.
How far God was willing to go for us is shown in Christ.

Any other mystery of God you wanna that is not in Christ will lead you into darkness.
Any other means, be it science, be it another religion. Apart from Jesus you will never ever ever know or understand God.
Jesus is the light that illuminates God. God can't be seen, known, felt or grasped without Jesus..

Think about it. If any other way existed for man to find God, God would never have wasted the blood of Christ.. If Science or another thing was a way to God, Christ wouldn't have come to Earth. C'mon guys, Jesus wouldn't have bothered going through those shits he endured on the cross for us. It seems you guys don't understand what Jesus endured on the cross -what God had to go through for man to know him. If we do, we won't think of thinking of another way to Him.
God kept using the prophets of old to tell us about Christ. He sent John the Baptist to prepare a way for him.

Please guys, I beg you to forsake that ideology of "transcending" or science of yours. And look unto Jesus. Your lives actually depends on it bro.

Bless you all... And happy Sunday..
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:14pm On Jul 29, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
"When you go through deep waters, I will be with you.
When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown"

- Isaiah 43:2a
Deeper than the bottomless pit
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:12pm On Jul 29, 2018
Maamin:
Lol...you are really working yourself up on this. Yet you don't even grasp the John 1:3.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him(the word/Jesus); and without him( the word/Jesus) was not any thing made that was made.

Now listen carefully, the Word/Jesus came out of or was with ONE (God the almighty creator aka the father)

Nothing meaning everything else, be it angels, humans, heavens, earth in fact the universe, materialised through this word/Jesus that also came out of the one who was with/possess or who sent out the word/Jesus to perform all things (God the father).

God the father remains standing gidigba as the one and only.
Now that you've said all these, where did you put the coin? Left or right?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:43pm On Jul 29, 2018
Perfectbeing:
Some of you might want to say, "Wait a minute, Perfectbeing. You didn’t read the verse carefully. You missed something in the text. Notice the phrase ‘apart from Him.’ The apostle John excludes Jesus from the count in this verse. If you said, ‘Apart from Johnny, the whole family is going to the zoo’ you wouldn’t mean that Johnny wasn’t part of the family, just that he wasn’t included in the count. Every member of the family is going to zoo with the exception of Johnny. In the same way, every created thing was created by Jesus with the exception of Jesus Himself. Jehovah created Jesus first, then Jesus created everything else.”

Now that sounds smart doesn't it?

But you're the one that didn't the verse carefully. Note that with this claim, you're replacing “apart from Him” with the phrase “excluding Jesus.” According to you they are synonymous. In other words what you just said was,

(Replacing "apart from" with "with the exception of Jesus.
The verse then looks like this)
“with the exception of Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being "

The reconstructed phrase is nearly nonsense. What it actually means, is that Jesus is the only created thing that exists.
Read it again and see for yourself.

Obviously, the phrase “apart from Jesus” can’t mean “with the exception of Jesus.” These phrases are not synonymous.

“Apart from Him” means something entirely different. It’s the same as saying, “Apart from me you’ll never get to Lagos. I’ve got the car.” The statement clearly means"apart from me, you can't go to Lagos. Why? Because I have the car (assuming there's no other way to Lagos but the car.
"Apart from Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being. Why? Because Jesus is the Creator. He is God. That makes perfect sense in the context.. Another example will be "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Apart from me no one can see the father ". The statement doesn't mean "except Jesus, no one else can see the father. But rather it means "apart from Jesus no one can see the father. Why? Because, he's the only way to the Father..
After all this, the only reason you still want to place to coin at the right hand side of the box is pride. Not commonsense but pride.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:30pm On Jul 29, 2018
Perfectbeing:
Is Jesus God or not?

Ride down with me.

John 1:1 KJV says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But in the Bible of some folks it says.

NWT, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

The heated argument that follows is almost never productive. We won't waste your time wrestling with Greek grammar or article neither of us understands.

So we'll just go further to VS 3.
John 1:3, “All things came into being by Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

The NWT translation is virtually the same here.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence

The test begins..

Please I beseech you, before you argue, try following it slowly and carefully. Do the steps yourself too..

1. Take out a piece of paper and draw a large box. This box represents everything that exists. Title the box "everything that exists.
2. Run a line right through the middle of the box, dividing everything that exists into two categories.
3. On the left side of the divided box write “all things that never came into being,” that is, all things that exist but was never created.
4. What goes into this left side of our box? "God right? He exists but was never created right? God is the only thing that exists that has never been created. God alone is eternal and uncreated. Put the word “God” in the left-hand side of your box.

Now we're through with the left hand side for now. Let's go to the right side of our box.

5. Label the right side of the box “all things that came into being,” that is, all created things.
6. Write "all created things there."

Everything in this box was created through or by Jesus, according to verse three. You understands that right?
7. Now draw an arrow to the right side of the box and label it “created through Jesus” outside the box for future reference.

Having done that, take a moment to understand how your illustration is structured. The larger box includes everything there is, was, or ever will be. The left side of the box contains everything that exists but was not created (God). The right hand contains everything that exists and was created (all created things). Each particular existent falls into one of two categories: created or not created.

Now it is either a thing was created or it wasn’t created- there is no third option. Either a thing is at the left or at the right. There's no middle or outside.

And also,

According to the law of noncontradiction, a thing can’t be both created and not created. Any particular thing has to be either one or the other. Not both. It’s very simple

OK, we've established these two laws. Take a coin (or anything) . Assuming the coin is Jesus place him in the category where He belongs. left or right.

Now as a witnesses (or as some people claim, freethinkers) your first instinct will be to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what your theology says. The teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, says there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus..

But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John (NWT) says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence ”
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen.. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence . Therefore, the Word could not have been created..

In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as you guys contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. That's breaking the law of noncontradiction above (Jesus cannot be both created and not created) . Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
The point is that Jesus is existing before the creation of "all" things that ever came into being. So, the coin can’t be placed on the right..

At this point you may want to place Jesus somewhere on the paper outside the larger box. But, as we’ve seen, you can’t do that. there’s no “place” outside to put Him.
Everything goes on one side of the larger box or the other.
If Jesus can’t be placed on the right side with created things, then He must go on the left with uncreated things, identifying Jesus as the uncreated Creator. Jesus is God..
Some of you might want to say, "Wait a minute, Perfectbeing. You didn’t read the verse carefully. You missed something in the text. Notice the phrase ‘apart from Him.’ The apostle John excludes Jesus from the count in this verse. If you said, ‘Apart from Johnny, the whole family is going to the zoo’ you wouldn’t mean that Johnny wasn’t part of the family, just that he wasn’t included in the count. Every member of the family is going to zoo with the exception of Johnny. In the same way, every created thing was created by Jesus with the exception of Jesus Himself. Jehovah created Jesus first, then Jesus created everything else.”

Now that sounds smart doesn't it?

But you're the one that didn't the verse carefully. Note that with this claim, you're replacing “apart from Him” with the phrase “excluding Jesus.” According to you they are synonymous. In other words what you just said was,

(Replacing "apart from" with "with the exception of Jesus.
The verse then looks like this)
“with the exception of Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being "

The reconstructed phrase is nearly nonsense. What it actually means, is that Jesus is the only created thing that exists.
Read it again and see for yourself.

Obviously, the phrase “apart from Jesus” can’t mean “with the exception of Jesus.” These phrases are not synonymous.

“Apart from Him” means something entirely different. It’s the same as saying, “Apart from me you’ll never get to Lagos. I’ve got the car.” The statement clearly means"apart from me, you can't go to Lagos. Why? Because I have the car (assuming there's no other way to Lagos but the car.
"Apart from Jesus nothing came into being that has come into being. Why? Because Jesus is the Creator. He is God. That makes perfect sense in the context.. Another example will be "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Apart from me no one can see the father ". The statement doesn't mean "except Jesus, no one else can see the father. But rather it means "apart from Jesus no one can see the father. Why? Because, he's the only way to the Father..
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:04pm On Jul 29, 2018
this

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:03pm On Jul 29, 2018
this..

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:59am On Jul 29, 2018
Perfectbeing:
Is Jesus God or not?

Ride down with me.

John 1:1 KJV says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But in the Bible of some folks it says.

NWT, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

The heated argument that follows is almost never productive. We won't waste your time wrestling with Greek grammar or article neither of us understands.

So we'll just go further to VS 3.
John 1:3, “All things came into being by Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

The NWT translation is virtually the same here.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence

The test begins..

Please I beseech you, before you argue, try following it slowly and carefully. Do the steps yourself too..

1. Take out a piece of paper and draw a large box. This box represents everything that exists. Title the box "everything that exists.
2. Run a line right through the middle of the box, dividing everything that exists into two categories.
3. On the left side of the divided box write “all things that never came into being,” that is, all things that exist but was never created.
4. What goes into this left side of our box? "God right? He exists but was never created right? God is the only thing that exists that has never been created. God alone is eternal and uncreated. Put the word “God” in the left-hand side of your box.

Now we're through with the left hand side for now. Let's go to the right side of our box.

5. Label the right side of the box “all things that came into being,” that is, all created things.
6. Write "all created things there."

Everything in this box was created through or by Jesus, according to verse three. You understands that right?
7. Now draw an arrow to the right side of the box and label it “created through Jesus” outside the box for future reference.

Having done that, take a moment to understand how your illustration is structured. The larger box includes everything there is, was, or ever will be. The left side of the box contains everything that exists but was not created (God). The right hand contains everything that exists and was created (all created things). Each particular existent falls into one of two categories: created or not created.

Now it is either a thing was created or it wasn’t created- there is no third option. Either a thing is at the left or at the right. There's no middle or outside.

And also,

According to the law of noncontradiction, a thing can’t be both created and not created. Any particular thing has to be either one or the other. Not both. It’s very simple

OK, we've established these two laws. Take a coin (or anything) . Assuming the coin is Jesus place him in the category where He belongs. left or right.

Now as a witnesses (or as some people claim, freethinkers) your first instinct will be to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what your theology says. The teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, says there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus..

But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John (NWT) says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence ”
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen.. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence . Therefore, the Word could not have been created..

In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as you guys contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. That's breaking the law of noncontradiction above (Jesus cannot be both created and not created) . Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
The point is that Jesus is existing before the creation of "all" things that ever came into being. So, the coin can’t be placed on the right..

At this point you may want to place Jesus somewhere on the paper outside the larger box. But, as we’ve seen, you can’t do that. there’s no “place” outside to put Him.
Everything goes on one side of the larger box or the other.
If Jesus can’t be placed on the right side with created things, then He must go on the left with uncreated things, identifying Jesus as the uncreated Creator. Jesus is God..
Your diagram should be something like this

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:56am On Jul 29, 2018
Is Jesus God or not?

Ride down with me.

John 1:1 KJV says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But in the Bible of some folks it says.

NWT, “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

The heated argument that follows is almost never productive. We won't waste your time wrestling with Greek grammar or article neither of us understands.

So we'll just go further to VS 3.
John 1:3, “All things came into being by Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being

The NWT translation is virtually the same here.

“All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence

The test begins..

Please I beseech you, before you argue, try following it slowly and carefully. Do the steps yourself too..

1. Take out a piece of paper and draw a large box. This box represents everything that exists. Title the box "everything that exists.
2. Run a line right through the middle of the box, dividing everything that exists into two categories.
3. On the left side of the divided box write “all things that never came into being,” that is, all things that exist but was never created.
4. What goes into this left side of our box? "God right? He exists but was never created right? God is the only thing that exists that has never been created. God alone is eternal and uncreated. Put the word “God” in the left-hand side of your box.

Now we're through with the left hand side for now. Let's go to the right side of our box.

5. Label the right side of the box “all things that came into being,” that is, all created things.
6. Write "all created things there."

Everything in this box was created through or by Jesus, according to verse three. You understands that right?
7. Now draw an arrow to the right side of the box and label it “created through Jesus” outside the box for future reference.

Having done that, take a moment to understand how your illustration is structured. The larger box includes everything there is, was, or ever will be. The left side of the box contains everything that exists but was not created (God). The right hand contains everything that exists and was created (all created things). Each particular existent falls into one of two categories: created or not created.

Now it is either a thing was created or it wasn’t created- there is no third option. Either a thing is at the left or at the right. There's no middle or outside.

And also,

According to the law of noncontradiction, a thing can’t be both created and not created. Any particular thing has to be either one or the other. Not both. It’s very simple

OK, we've established these two laws. Take a coin (or anything) . Assuming the coin is Jesus place him in the category where He belongs. left or right.

Now as a witnesses (or as some people claim, freethinkers) your first instinct will be to place Jesus in the category of “all things that came into being” because that’s what your theology says. The teaching of Arius in the early fourth century, says there was a time “when the Word was not.” Jesus was the first created being and everything else was created by Jehovah through Jesus..

But John 1:3 doesn’t allow that option. Look at the wording carefully. John (NWT) says,
“All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into existence ”
John says the same thing two different ways for emphasis and clarity: everything that ever came into being owes its existence to Jesus, who caused it all to happen.. If Jesus caused all created things to come into existence, then He must have existed before all created things came into existence . Therefore, the Word could not have been created..

In other words, if Jesus created everything that has come into being, and Jesus also came into being (as you guys contend), then Jesus created Himself. He would have to exist as Creator before He existed as a created thing, which is absurd. That's breaking the law of noncontradiction above (Jesus cannot be both created and not created) . Therefore, Jesus can’t be placed in the square labeled, “all things that came into being.”
The point is that Jesus is existing before the creation of "all" things that ever came into being. So, the coin can’t be placed on the right..

At this point you may want to place Jesus somewhere on the paper outside the larger box. But, as we’ve seen, you can’t do that. there’s no “place” outside to put Him.
Everything goes on one side of the larger box or the other.
If Jesus can’t be placed on the right side with created things, then He must go on the left with uncreated things, identifying Jesus as the uncreated Creator. Jesus is God..
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m):
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 9:27am On Jul 29, 2018
TimeMachine:
I have experienced the State of Being God, I do not believe in anything I can not proof. There is Divine Creator, and I am a fractal of it, so are you, so are the Trees and all of Created and Uncreated Realities but you are yet to experience it, and may never experience it until you let go of believe and faith and really take the narrow path which is Individualism via hardcore Scientific Research beyond the boundaries of Physical Reality. You need the Bible, but the old testament. It is a great recording also mixed up in a way, but it is a great guide as you progress beyond the surface.

Divine Creator is not religious, neither is it a Person. It is the Source and Cause of all that there is, and we are the Conscious aspect of It.

I do not write this, because I read it somewhere, I write my very experience beyond the veil. Do not believe me, just follow your intuition for nothing but Scientifically proven facts, and it will lead you directly to Divine Realities of Intelligence Infinity. It is an awesome world.
Well done sir. This is indeed, deeper than the bottles pit itself.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:33am On Jul 29, 2018
TimeMachine:
Ye Are Gods, and Children of Most High God. There are billions if not trillions of Gods, some are Gods in Amnesia, example Humans. The Purpose of Life is to realize and experience yourself as God, not just reading about it, but seeing that all things are powered by the only force in the Universe called Spirit. The mesoscopic coherency within all spectra will lead to a startling understanding that we are one being, split into fractals with individual ego. We are frequency beings of resonance made of light, our bodies are made of light, and so is everything, cos this is a simulated reality.

Creator needed to learn more, about itself and play Games to avoid burden, then fission of sound current occurred with Life being the consciousness aspect of the Creator. We are one with the Space, but we are the conscious part of Earth itself, we are the living conscious Earth.

The reason for the confusion is because our minds are taken away from where we live and placed on Heaven always, well, find out which Planet that Heaven is located, and the specific location within that Planet that Heaven is hosted. If the Bible does not give specific answers, then your best efforts should be put into Science, Quantum Cosmology and Solid State Physics will be a good start. But you will go beyond that to really know what God is.

The languages of our Grandfathers were not advanced, so there was need to use parables, but today, English Language and Science as reached the level that we can understand Life and God, except we choose to hang on ancient parables and not use the wealth of knowledge available online to decode the matrix and the Programmers of Reality.

This is a Simulated Reality, and the programmers are behind the scene of the mainframe, we are just Avatars as physical humans. When you understand the nature of Cosmic Spirit, which you call Sound current in Science, you will understand between you and the computer screen you are reading this, is a space teaming with lives of diverse permutation.

If you want to know God, then include Science as a tool. If Science does not validate any principle, then trash that principle.
Brother, the only way to the invisible God is through Jesus, the full expression of God. And no other way. Jesus himself said "...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jh 14:6.

Science haven't been able to fully explain some of the most basic things of life. As simple as a cell is, science cannot explain it's simplicity. How much more the complexity of God. God has and is only simplified in Jesus Christ hence the reason for the statement, "if you see me, you see the father."
Using science as a means to God is like trying to get up to a building by climbing down a ladder. It will only get you what the men who tried to get to God by building the highest tower (the tower of Babel) got. Confusion!

So my brother, turn away from science to find God. And turn to Christ, who is the image of the unseen God.
Bless you.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:18am On Jul 29, 2018
Perfectbeing:
Not only did Jesus claim to be God, but He also claimed to have the power of God . He said He has the authority to judge the nations ( Matthew 25 : 31- 46 ). He claims the authority to raise people from the dead ( John 5 : 25- 29) and to forgive sins ( Mark 2 : 5 - 7 ) — things only God can do ( I Sam 2: 6 ; Isa 43 :25 ).
Further , Jesus says He has the power to answer prayers ( John 14 : 13- 14 ), and that He will be with His followers always ( Matthew 28 : 20 ) . The Bible equates Jesus to the creator of the universe ( John 1 : 3 ), and in John 16 : 15, He says , “ All that belongs to the Father is mine . ”

Jesus says, that He is “the first and the last”
Rev 1: 17, When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last (read vs 18 in case you want to argue whether it's Jesus talking).
Jesus also claim to be first and last in Rev 22
13, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (read vs 16, to know who's talking).
In Isaiah 44:6 God calls himself the first and the last.
Isa 44:6, "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God...

Both Jesus and God claim to be the first and the last. This must either mean,
1. One of them was telling a lie.
2. Both of them was telling a lie. Or,
3. Both of them are one and the same...

Pick your choice..
Look what happens in Rev 22:8, when John worshiped an angel of God.
8. I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.

What did the angel say in VS 9?
9.But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

The angel told John to worship who? God!

But in Rev 5:13 and 14, the lamb and God was worshiped. Doesn't that in any way tell us that the Lamb (Jesus) and God are the same.. Doesn't that tell us that since Jesus was worshipped he must be God.

Like I've said before God in his 1st commandment did not say "you shall have no other God except me and a mighty god". Rather he said "you shall have no other God except me". Doesn't that again shows that Jesus is God Himself?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:13am On Jul 29, 2018
Perfectbeing:
Not only did Jesus claim to be God, but He also claimed to have the power of God . He said He has the authority to judge the nations ( Matthew 25 : 31- 46 ). He claims the authority to raise people from the dead ( John 5 : 25- 29) and to forgive sins ( Mark 2 : 5 - 7 ) — things only God can do ( I Sam 2: 6 ; Isa 43 :25 ).
Further , Jesus says He has the power to answer prayers ( John 14 : 13- 14 ), and that He will be with His followers always ( Matthew 28 : 20 ) . The Bible equates Jesus to the creator of the universe ( John 1 : 3 ), and in John 16 : 15, He says , “ All that belongs to the Father is mine . ”

Jesus says, that He is “the first and the last”
Rev 1: 17, When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last (read vs 18 in case you want to argue whether it's Jesus talking).
Jesus also claim to be first and last in Rev 22
13, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (read vs 16, to know who's talking).
In Isaiah 44:6 God calls himself the first and the last.
Isa 44:6, "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God...

Both Jesus and God claim to be the first and the last. This must either mean,
1. One of them was telling a lie.
2. Both of them was telling a lie. Or,
3. Both of them are one and the same...

Pick your choice..
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:51pm On Jul 28, 2018
Maamin:
The problem lies in making the father Co equal to the Son He beget...the funny thing is that the Father is so unique that there is none like him. He can't be sqweezed into a 3=1 confinement of human being. He is way more than that yet he is but one and there is none like him.

Isaiah 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?.

Isaiah 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

Isaiah 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?

That is how unique God the father is.
"The problem lies in making the father Co equal with the son he beget."

Tomorrow we'll talk about whether the Father and the Son are one or not. And when we're done you yourself will give me the answer..
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:47pm On Jul 28, 2018
Maamin:
I don't have issues, it is triniterians that have the issues with
God Almighty the creator being the father of Jesus. wink
By "father of Jesus", do you mean "creator of Jesus? "
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 11:42pm On Jul 28, 2018
OneJ:
Maamim, these Trinity peddlers will keep twisting & distorting the scriptures for their own ends. With out such, the carpet would be pulled off their feet sharp sharp..
It's so obvious that their heart is already foreclosed to the truth.


" IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF , who put everything under Christ". 1 Cor15:27.
The Lamb was given access to the throne by the One who owns the throne, his Father,Jehovah ( Yahweh.).


"For you (the Father) granted him (Jesus) authority over all people that he (Jesus) might give eternal life to all those you(the Father) have given him(Jesus)". John 17:2.



The Lamb is addressed as Prince (Isaiah 9:6) appointed heir (Hebrew 1:1,2). Were such titles ever addressed to Almighty God at anytime? No !! Obviously, the Lamb is a subordinate.
When a man lies to himself, his only redemption is to speak the truth to himself.


Shalom aleikhem.

CC :
perfectbeing

mutteylaff
Not only did Jesus claim to be God, but He also claimed to have the power of God . He said He has the authority to judge the nations ( Matthew 25 : 31- 46 ). He claims the authority to raise people from the dead ( John 5 : 25- 29) and to forgive sins ( Mark 2 : 5 - 7 ) — things only God can do ( I Sam 2: 6 ; Isa 43 :25 ).
Further , Jesus says He has the power to answer prayers ( John 14 : 13- 14 ), and that He will be with His followers always ( Matthew 28 : 20 ) . The Bible equates Jesus to the creator of the universe ( John 1 : 3 ), and in John 16 : 15, He says , “ All that belongs to the Father is mine . ”

Jesus says, that He is “the first and the last”
Rev 1: 17, When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last (read vs 18 in case you want to argue whether it's Jesus talking).
Jesus also claim to be first and last in Rev 22
13, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (read vs 16, to know who's talking).
In Isaiah 44:6 God calls himself the first and the last.
Isa 44:6, "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God...

Both Jesus and God claim to be the first and the last. This must either mean,
1. One of them was telling a lie.
2. Both of them was telling a lie. Or,
3. Both of them are one and the same...

Pick your choice..
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 6:20pm On Jul 27, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Perfectbeing if you're keep telling
that both the Lamb and the One who sits on the throne are one and the same,
you need to make sure that what you're telling is in agreement and/or in harmony with "... father he beget a Son out of him or from him"
Yes they are.

Maamin, are you still having issues about God Almighty the creator being Jesus?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m):
Maamin:
There will be serious problem everywhere in the Bible where the word "and" appears going by that your interpretation.

Take for example that Rev. 5:13 you quoted.

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Your interpretation

13 And every creature which is in heaven, that is on the earth, that is under the earth, that is such as are in the sea, that is all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, that is honour, that is glory, that is power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, that is unto the Lamb for ever that is ever.

However if you choose to replace "and" with "then" the passage looses it context completely.

There is no 1 Thess 1:12 I guess you meant to say 1:2

The fact still remains that Jesus the Son came from/out of the father. You can't pick fault now in that passage. No! You can't.
I gave you just four approaches on how the word "kai" is used... There are obviously others..


Try to read according to context unless the verse seem contradicts another verse. Then you can do a proper investigation.
When you see something like "Jesus our Lord and Savior.." you don't need to look for any Greek or Hebrew interpretation to tell you that the Savior and the Lord is Jesus.

Also, when you see something like "Jesus and the twelve apostles.." , the context there obviously means Jesus together with his disciple and not "Jesus, that is the disciples "


And one thing else, you only apply all those approaches when a passages of the Bible tends to contradict other passages. Because they actually don't.. It's either the translators got it wrong or you're the one that don't understand.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 5:21pm On Jul 27, 2018
Maamin:
When did I make the separation?

The bible said one sit on the throne, the Lamb came forth to collect the book from the right hand of the one who sit on the throne
And I keep telling you that both the lamb and the one who sits on the throne are one and the same. Just with different manifestation. Just like the man who's a father, husband, brother and son is one Man explained in four lights.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m):
A good illustration about the "manifestations" (as Muttleylaff suggested which I think I'm going to be using now) of God is this this;

A man can be a father to his son yet, in other modes, a husband to his wife and a brother to his siblings. He could even be a son to his father. Now here we have, a father, a husband a brother and a son. Not four men but one Man.

So is the one on the throne and the lamb. Not two beings. But one
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:39pm On Jul 27, 2018
Maamin:
You are rewriting your own scriptures here.....

Revelation 4 says "..one sat on the throne"

Revelation 5:6-7 says the Lamb stood in the midst of the throne, came forth and took the book from the right hand of the one that sat on the throne.

There is absolutely no need for all those theories you put up there sir!
Those are not theories sir..

The original scriptures that make make up the old and New Testaments of the Bible we read today were not written in English language but in Hebrew for the Old Testament and Greek for the New Testament.

Some words in the Greek could have different meanings and then requires different applications in different contexts. Since most of the early translators were not Christians but just translators, they put the meaning that made best made sense to them sometimes out of context (eg, the passage about baptising in the name the Father, son and Holy spirit that Muttleylaff explained earlier).

The Greek word "kai" is an example of those words.

"Kai" is a conjunction joining two words, phrases or clauses together.
"Kai" could mean; "and," "then," "even", "but", "that is" etc..
Application of each of those meaning of "kai" requires different approaches (4 of which I mentioned and which you termed "my theories"wink.
Some translators interpreted or translated "kai" wrongly (either out of ignorance or in some cases to deliberately distort it's meaning.)

In my first "theory", "Kai" is translated as and as in, James and John etc.

In the second one "kai" is translated to mean "then". as in, "follow me, then I'll make you fishers of men". "and" can be used cos it won't change the meaning of the words.

In the 3rd and fourth, "kai" is correctly translated to mean "that is". As in "... some, pastor, that is, teachers (Eph 4:11). And in 1 Thess. 1:12, "the grace of our God, that is, the Lord Jesus Christ"..

Rev 5:13 also is rightly translated as, “..To him who sits on the throne, that is, the Lamb...."

I don't speak Greek or Hebrew. But I made my research to ascertain all these. I suggest you do the same.. Proper Bible interpretation can only be know if what you're reading in the Bible is correctly translated in the first place.
Christianity Etc › Re: WARNING: Nobody Should Do The Following During The Blood Moon Tonight. by Perfectbeing(m): 1:36pm On Jul 27, 2018
kekakuz:
advanced warning
please lets be very careful when we practice spiritual procedures because of power.

no body should mix palm oil and salt and grounded bitter kola and rub it all over his or her body
the walk naked to a T junction holding a Bible or a chapter of the 7 books
then read through the light a particular psalm which am too scared to mention but is the most common.

the implication is very serious even though you will achieve your innermost desires

dont say i did not warn you
1tim 4:7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.
Christianity Etc › Re: John 3:16 by Perfectbeing(m): 1:21pm On Jul 27, 2018
SonofIssachar:
In the city of Chicago, one cold, dark night, a blizzard was setting in. A little boy was selling newspapers on the corner, the people were in and out of the cold. The little boy was so cold that he wasn’t trying to sell many papers. He walked up to a policeman and said, “Mister, you wouldn’t happen to know where a poor boy could find a warm place to sleep tonight would you? You see, I sleep in a box up around the corner there and down the alley and it’s awful cold in there, of a night. Sure would be nice to have a warm place to stay.”

The policeman looked down at the little boy and said, “You go down the street to that big white house and you knock on the door. When they come out the door you just say John 3:16 and they will let you in.”

So he did, he walked up the steps to the door, and knocked on the door and a lady answered. He looked up and said, “John 3:16.”

The lady said “Come on in, Son.” She took him in and she sat him down in a split bottom rocker in front of a great big old fireplace and she went off.

He sat there for a while, and thought to himself “John 3:16…. I don’t understand it, but it sure makes a cold boy warm.”

Later she came back and asked him “Are you hungry?”

He said, “Well, just a little. I haven’t eaten in a couple of days and I guess I could stand a little bit of food.” The lady took him in the kitchen and sat him down to a table full of wonderful food. He ate and ate until he couldn’t eat any more. Then he thought to himself “John 3:16… Boy, I sure don’t understand it, but it sure makes a hungry boy full.”

She took him upstairs to a bathroom to a huge bathtub filled with warm water and he sat there and soaked for a while. As he soaked, he thought to himself, “John 3:16… I sure don’t understand it, but it sure makes a dirty boy clean. You know, I’ve not had a bath, a real bath, in my whole life. The only bath I ever had was when I stood in front of that big old fire hydrant as they flushed it ou

The lady came in and got him, and took him to a room and tucked him into a big old feather bed and pulled the covers up around his neck and kissed him goodnight and turned out the lights. As he laid in the darkness and looked out the window at the snow coming down on that cold night he thought to himself, “John 3:16… I don’t understand it, but it sure makes a tired boy rested.”

The next morning she came back up and took him down again to that same big table full of food. After he ate she took him back to that same big old split bottom rocker in front of the fireplace and she took a big old Bible and sat down in front of him and she looked up at and she asked “Do you understand John 3:16?”

He said, “No, Ma’am, I don’t. The first time I ever heard it was last night when the policeman told me to use it.”

She opened her Bible to John 3:16, and she began to explain to him about Jesus. Right there in front of that big old fireplace he gave his heart and life to Jesus. He sat there and thought, “John 3:16. I don’t understand it, but it but it sure makes a lost boy feel safe.”

You know, I have to confess I don’t understand it either, how God would be willing to send His Son to die for me, and how Jesus would agree to do such a thing. I don’t understand it either, but it sure does make Life worth living.

Meditation: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. – John 3:16-18

You will succeed in Jesus Name!

Also read:
https://daily-dew.com/purpose-sent-for-propitiation/
https://daily-dew.com/the-secret-of-the-wealth-of-king-solomon-final/
https://daily-dew.com/how-to-know-for-sure-you-are-going-to-heaven/
Awesome illustration. Kudos
Christianity Etc › Re: The Blood Moon, Tongues And Signs Of The Last Days by Perfectbeing(m): 1:01pm On Jul 27, 2018
pressplay411:
The Eclipse is all over the news, between 7pm - 10pm. They are calling it Blood Eclipse. I believe its going to be very significant for the Church. Another Pentecost perhaps. But we have to be yielded in the Holyspirit to connect.

Please Do not judge the unworthy vessel I am, rather let's share this across our pastors until it gets all over the Body of Christ, locally and globally.

I do not know what is coming that's why i said Perhaps. And by pentecost I simply meant Revival/Reactivation. The one we've been anticipating.

Revelations 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hiddenmanna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.” ’

I've never been this excited... And we should all be.
Truly we are a Chosen Generation.
I Tim 4:7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly..

Don't be like the Pharisees who read signs to everything around them and leave the things that matters. We believers are admonished in Heb 12:2 to look up Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. Not up to an eclipse that's happening around 7pm-10pm
Preach the message of the blood of Christ not the message of a blood moon that doesn't mean anything.
The hidden mystery or manna of God we're promised has been revealed in the person of Jesus Christ. It is known only to those of us who receive it. And I'm sure you've received it. So my friend, I admonish you again to look up to Jesus and not any hidden mystery in the moon.
Bless you.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 12:26pm On Jul 27, 2018
Maamin:
The one sitted on the throne there is the Father.
Maamin said there that, the one on the throne is the Father, separating him from the lamb. Or was I getting him wrong? Probably I was. If I was accept my apologies..

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