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abdulkabirO:
so tell me about the crusaders

Open a thread . I guess they were the people who fought against the muhamedans

thorpido:
So from Scripture,how did He protect Himself?I'm security conscious,yet I don't carry a gun or a dagger.
Why did He escape when He could have fought them with swords and won?Remember Joshua,he fought and didn't try to escape.
I tell you those words were not literarily spoken.

Common sense have to be applied . You escape when you can . You defend if you can't . I have a thread on this

https://www.nairaland.com/3602335/dont-criticize-mogs-security-common#53280029

I saw a thread which I didn't read till today about Trump being a type of Cyrus . A foreign king who was used to build the temple . But there's another side of bible prophecies which fits Trump to an extent and that's the person of the antichrist. It may not be him ,these are biblical observations. The antichrist is a spirit . He will possess the chosen person at the set time .

These are some of the biblical signs to identify him

HIS MOUTH WILL TALK BIG
Daniel 7:8
. . . in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7:20
. . . And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things . .

Revelation 13:5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things . . . . .

AN ECONOMIC BUSINESS LEADER
Daniel 8:25
25 . . . And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand

STRONG MILITARY LEADER
Revelation 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

NOT HAVING RESPECT FOR WOMEN
Daniel 11:37
. . . Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women . . .

RELIGIOUS LEADER
At the first emergence . He will be friendly with Gods people . But he will turn against them later. After they reject him for entering the holy of Holies at the dedication of the temple which he will build for the Jews .he will cause sacrifices to cease there.

Daniel 9:27
. . . he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This event will trigger THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Matthew 24:15-17
. . .When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

HE WILL INITIATE 7YEARS PEACE PLAN BETWEEN JEWS AND PALESTINIANS

Daniel 9:27
. . .This king will make a seven-year treaty with the people, but after half that time, he will break his pledge and stop the Jews from all their sacrifices and their offerings . .


HE WILL BUILD THE LAST JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM

The Jewish Sanhedrin have already written appeal to Trump and Putin to build rebuild the temple in Jerusalem . Whoever builds that Temple is the antichrist .

A group of leading Israeli rabbis see in US President-elect Donald Trump and Russia President Vladimir Putin echoes of King Cyrus of Persia, who 2,500 years ago assisted the Jewish people in rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem.

Prof. Rabbi Hillel Weiss, a spokesman for the Sanhedrin, a modern effort to revive the ancient Jewish religious court, noted in remarks reported by Israel National News:

“The political conditions today, in which the two most important national leaders in the world support the Jewish right to Jerusalem as their spiritual inheritance, is historically unprecedented.”

The Sanhedrin sent letters to both Trump and Putin urging them to work together to fulfill a project that will benefit all mankind - the rebuilding of the Holy Temple atop Jerusalem’s hotly contested Temple Mount.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/30506/Default.aspx

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/30506/Default.aspx

It may not be Trump . But I just brought out observation. The antichrist is a spirit and it will possess the chosen person at the right time .

As much as he fits the picture , there is another side . The tendency of the man of sin. I was thinking of doing thread on it

abdulkabirO:
figurative you said? but if this passage were to be in the Quran, christian apologists would have it is for jihaad or to forcefully convert non muslims,abi? christianity and Christians are the biggest hypocrites on the earth

Defence when attacked is different from . Offense,genocide in the name of forceful conversion

openmine:
And that's ur reply to tithe being an eternal principle?

If you can't take the "eternal ". Kindly take the "principle " we have derailed the thread enough.

Gombs:
Unlike them who dubiously hide behind new monikers and feel great about themselves.

Hipocrates don't really know they are one . You know why? Every man is righteous in his own eyes . That's why I ask . Supposing you're wrong . Have you ever thought about this. I expect them to open the Bible and speak but rather . Na so so yab yabis . And insult Oo. So tey . Even angels left them saying " we no dey o.

plainbibletruth:
By "eternal" do you mean that before time and creation of man tithing existed?
In other words, what do you mean by "eternal "?

It means as long as other biblical principles applies to the church such as prayer. , worship ,offering ,tithing also does .

Gombs:


These guys wan use me shine na, I had to call this one to order.

I remember the story of the young man who thought he killed Archilles and was celebrating. Until Archilles showed up . . . . It became wo mi 'n wo é.

SECURITY IS COMMON SENSE

There had been so much criticism about security of MOGs as regards security. As much as it's carnal to be parading armed men Just for swag . However . Security is common sense for anyone who sense a threat to life and property. Either you are MOG Or church members . Anyone who sense danger around him should take precautionary measures. There is God part in protection and there is mans part .

Many critics use Jesus and the apostles as example but how much do you know about the measures they took to protect themselves ?

Because of the constant threat and attempts on Jesus , His disciples carried arms . Where did Peter get his sword from .

John 18:10 (KJV)
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.


Jesus himself had encouraged them to get swords for protection.

Luke 22:36 (KJV)
. . . and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 22:38 (KJV)
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

John 10:39
Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

There had been other precautionary measure Jesus took. Like avoiding dangerous places.
John 7:1 (AMPC)
1 AFTER THIS, Jesus went from place to place in Galilee, for He would not travel in Judea because the Jews were seeking to kill Him.

Other times Jesus also had to escape or hid from assailants

John 8:59
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

It's common sense to protect yourself in the face of threat . When your time is up and your MINISTRY is done then you can offer yourself like paul and Jesus. But remember paul once hid in a basket for safety

PAUL

Acts 9:24-25 (KJV)
24 But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. 25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket.

Acts 9:24-25
But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket.

But when they finished their ministry they yielded themselves.

John 10:17-18
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


2 Timothy 4:6-8
For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing

thorpido:
Yes but after His death,burial and Resurrection,there was nothing in the lifestyle of the disciples to show they lived by the sword.As a matter of fact,they were fleeing from persecutors.
It either means they forgot the 'teaching' of Jesus concerning swords or they disobeyed Him.

Security is common sense . Jesus and disciples were responsible for their security . That's why they had swords. Remember many sought to kill Jesus prematurely. He had to protect himself till his assignment ended . Then he surrendered himself . There' had been situation where by he escaped the mob . Not because of fear of death but . Security is common sense.

John 10:39
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

BushWickBill:
Baa baa black sheep. Have you any wool.
Regurgitated dust.
Keep this your yarns. Trust you to overstate your importance with needless jargon

I'm not sure you know what a principle means.

principle
ˈ/prɪnsɪp(ə)l/
noun
1.
a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning.
"the basic principles of justice"

By the definition above you are yet to tell us what the "eternal principle" is.
You have yet to tell us how Abraham arrived at/discovered the said principle.
Because certainly a one-off occurrence (never mind what that wet behind the ears toddler Gombs says) is not enough to validate it as an "eternal principle".

Furthermore you keep doing yourself and other folk who pay attention to you a huge disservice by insisting tithing predated the law by virtue of Abraham. Because that occurrence with Melchizedek DOES NOT tally with injunctions given by God himself as regards tithing. You know this but you refuse to admit it.
You also forgot to mention what Abraham did with the 90%. You conveniently skip that part because it does not suit your argument. Because the items Abrahan "tithed" upon didnt belong to him originally or had blood on them. Things that would never be allowed to be offered to God in the first place by definition in the Law.
So how then can you brazenly say that tithing was before the Law when your reference doesn't match a laid down criteria?

A zebra always had black and white stripes even before it was named a zebra. If it had spots before you called it a zebra and assumed the stripes afterwards then you would struggle to convince people that it was a zebra prior to the change in its characteristics. But I know this analogy is going to fly over your head because you sant it to. Calling Abrahams sacrifice to Melchizedek a tithe is a lie to the essence of what it was defined to be.


Ogbeni joe agbaje I know it's you hiding under the petra1 moniker. Your style of writing is exactly the same. Hence I refer to the HIV healing scandal.

I'm not even going to debate the rest because they are utterly irrelevant.

By the way when I changed my moniker . It wasn't secret . I opened a thread on it.

Empty barrel. Abeg , Next person pls?

thorpido:
if he meant real swords,how come He rebuked Peter for using one?He should have just encouraged them to all to bring out swords and fight.

It was not necessary at that time because he had accepted the will of God .

thorpido:
It's afigurative speech.It means to be furnished for the challenges ahead.

I believe he meant real swords. Because some of them were actually armed .
Luke 22:38
. . . .And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Gombs:
It's one thing to lie it's another thing entirely to be a liar. Your assumptions are a reflection of who you are and what you do. Not everyone is twisted like you na.

I know I've butt hurt you so many times on nairaland till you got this new moniker, and my similar stance with Petra1 has been killing you adequately... But that's not a reason to slander me and another with unfounded accusations.

I've been on many tithe debate threads before you decided to get an Internet device, do well to carefully throw your tantrums elsewhere.

Thanks

Take am easy bro

Security is common sense . You're responsible to keep yourself alive till you're done here.

Luke 22:36
. . . .and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

BushWickBill:
How is tithing an "eternal principle"?

The kingdom of God runs on principles . And these principles transcend dispensations . They are revelations of God. either revealed in the law or before the law. Tithes, offerings , prayers ,alms, honoring parents , worship, etc are practice based on spiritual laws.

So you can say you believe in one and demonize the other . Non tithers usually claim thy only give offering and not tithes because tithe is under the law . When we Made them know that both are mentioned in the law. They came against offerings also . What about ,other spiritual principles such as prayer ,fasting ,alsms for the poor, honoring your parents etc. if you do all these which were also mentioned in the law . Why don't you tithe as well . So my point is that the fact that something is mentioned in the law. Doesn't mean it's not applicable , some of Gods principle are revealed in the the law . But these principles existed before the law.

Also back up with simple and concise scripture to prove your points.

For example the law says Don't worship idol ,honor your father etc. will you worship idol because the law says don't? Will you dishonor your parents ?

If everything contained in the law is not applicable just because the law mentioned them why would Paul be quoting the law to the gentile church like Ephesians

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
[/quote]I'm tired of people like you who claim to be pastors weaving and worming your way out of knots you tie your "sheeple" in.[/quote]I never said I'm a pastor When did I tell you that?

Please answer the question. This is not the fake healing sagal. Our eyes can see clearly.

Explain

annunaki2:
When Jesus was teaching about devotion to God, he never mentioned tithing.

Mark 12:17
“Well, then,” Jesus said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
His reply completely amazed them.

Rather I think tithingg is more about devotion to pastor.

The pastor is a tithed . Church money belongs to God and not the pastot

OlaoChi:
Thats the problem I am talking about, you calling a jewish ancestor your father
as an African, that is shameful. what jew has ever called any of your ancestors his father?

Your religion strips of off your Identity and turns you into a mental slave to foreign nations (in this case The Jewish and Romans)

You be atheist ? Wetin you deny do for here na? Leave religion thins for religion people.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NLT)
14 But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.



We are one in christ either Jew or gentile

openmine:
No bro....If U r the type that wud want to learn,U wud have gone back to my previous post 2 extract those questions but U r feeling like U dont even need to...Thats pride bro

Really? Do I even know the question you're referring to. Well If you can do the job it's not important to either you or me

Okay just one question...only just one....prove Ur tithe beliefs aka tithe is a "eternal principle"....Hope U have seen it?

That's what I've been doing all along for many pages . And revealing your contradiction . You demonized tithes and uphold other principles . That's why I asked you a simple question. To out your contradictions to rest What' scripture did they study in the days of Paul . And the honest answer you don't have the boldness to answer is that it was the same OT scriptures which you have demonized . That's not very nice

Bro petra1...stop being mischievous or sounding like u wanna cry....before U asked me those simple questions about paul's day bla bla bla...i had asked U series of questions including ur beliefs about tithe being an eternal principle...guess what?
I didnt get a single reply...but rather U kept asking me questions and i replied....And guess what i dont see it as making U feel good...It simply makes U look fraudulent and evasive
U know absolutely nothing about Ur beliefs....

Emi fraudu? Let's clap for you Mr He /she

Ohh yes...Gombs is ur savior any time U r lost or Speechless...You call him to backup with "funny memes" and a "like" ..Or maybe he sud be the one to reply me since U dont even know how to prove Ur tithe beliefs...but seriously,How can a pastor who preaches tithe cannot defend his tithe beliefs from the bible...Astonishing

I preach the full gospel bros . I talk about tithe because I'm a tither .

No same response...bro U dont know about Ur tithe beliefs....If U had known,U wud have saved me all dese write ups by offering me an explanation of ur tithe beliefs using scriptures...but alas just like Ur oda moniker,U cant even do so....too bad

annunaki2:
If tithing is working ffor you, you won't be getting involved in ponzi schemes to win a paltry 20k that said ponzi schemes actually pays more than tithing.

Tithing is not about gain ,but devotion to God. The gain na jara

xnigga:
Hi guys, I have been a faithful tither for years now and God has been keeping his word he promised tithers (I believe in the ministry of tithing baje) but recently I joined a ponzi scheme where I made 20k but I didn't pay tithe today because I think the money is not pure. What do you guys think?

Jesus supports banking with interest .

Luke 19:23 (AMPC)
23 Then why did you not put my money in a bank, so that on my return, I might have collected it with interest?

openmine:
Sorry bro...I didn't get U....d

What I told you is that if you you asked a question and I missed it out. Just kindly re ask or re post .

bro its a simple question which U r finding so hard to say...which means U r not sure of wat U r doing...

I was referring to you . That all these yabis is just because I asked you a simple question. "What scripture were they reading in Paul's day" and you began to dabaru everywhere . I understand Sha and it made me feel good you know .

So Gombs is now ur replacement

Mba nunu maybe that's what you do . It's childish na. Gombs doesn't speak my language . We don't agree on all points. So he can't back up for me nor speak for me. Why would I need support . It's not about how many people with you . It's about how strong my convictions.

backup guy wen u get overwhelmed and confused.... Hahahahahaha.... I know of only one moniker that can do Dis....and Gombs go waka come....lol

Same response as above . That's what we see you guys do na. Ibe not complained of being overwhelmed yet .

donnie:
See facebook post with over 25k likes, over 27k comments and over 10k shares!

https://www.facebook.com/BennyHinnMinistries/

Did you hear the statement Benny HINN made ? He said America needs nigeria now.

plainbibletruth:
ANYTHING SERIOUS in the Word of God that the Christian needs to comply with is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the epistles. Anything not stated there as REQUIRED of the Christian is UNIMPORTANT - TITHING INCLUDED

That's not good enough as an escape .Epistles were not written to complete the Bible . They were written to deal with specific situations. If the controversy of fornicaation didn't arise in Corinth making Paul to write about it . Does it mean fornicstion would be justified ? The epistles didn't address incest or bestiality does let me ask you . Are they now justified or they are sins?

I want to think that you're old enough as a Christian to know that the issue is not about us. It is about God. Did Uzzah complain when he wanted to help God with stabilizing the Ark? Did God accept his non-complaint? The issue is not whether tithers are excited about doing it or not, the issue is are they doing God's will?

God said no one should touch the ark . God never stopped tithes .

Let us not go into semantics and grammar like Gombs tried to do with i think Candour. What is the difference between NECESSITY AND MANDATORY? Hardly any difference.Merriam Webster Dictionary:[i][/i]
necessity - something that you must have or do: something that is necessary.
necessary - so important that you do it or have it : absolutely needed.
So, what is your take?

It's different. Compulsory carry punitive measure necessity is to your advantage. Daily intake of water in necessity but not compulsory. coming early to work is compulsory.

When you guys switch to using 'eternal principles' to push tithing you are actually saying that it something established from before time to be observed. And when you do that are you not saying it is MANDATORY and not left free will decision?

Man has the right and ability to obey or disobey God. When you do the word you enjoy the benefit that accompanies it.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5: 1

I agree with you .

Gombs:
. E fi trash le fun LAWMA

Ta ló ń kó omo mala ni yooba?

plainbibletruth:
The simple truth tithers need to realize is this: ALL that we need to know in order for us to live our spiritual life under the NEW COVENANT have been given to us by those COMMISSIONED by Christ to do so - the Apostles.

If TITHING is as serious as today's tithers are painting it to be it would have been a recurring theme in the epistles. The plain truth is that it is not.

Everything in Gods kingdom is serious. Tithes ,offerings ,prayers ,alms giving etc. One obedience doesn't supplant the other.

That is why tithers resort to the Old Testament to look for any STRAW they can get hold of to soothe their consciences that it's ok for them to still mandatorily tithe.

It's non givers who looks for straw to cover their their consciences. Tithers don't complain.

It needs to be emphasised again that THERE'S NO MANDATORY TITHING UNDER THE NEW COVENANT.

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be BURDENED again by a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5: 1

Nobody says tithing is mandatory. Nothing is mandatory . There's difference between necessity and mandatory. Your worship of God is still within your will power to do or not to do.

openmine:
See who is talking?
A guy who is asking for honesty yet cant even answer a simple question about his tithe beliefs..

I've told you what to do

U even hide under another moniker...who are you fooling...

That's not nice . Hide for who? Don't you have another moniker?

The case is closed for U cos u cant prove or defend ur beliefs..Simple!

All these because of one question

Gombs!! . . . See what I'm saying .

Gombs:
These are what the Bible called "mixed multitude"

Suddenly, he is fully devoted but does not do all 'his church' teaches... How 'smart'

Honesty test. 001. They can't admit it . That means they get my point . Case closed. The rest will be Yabis watch out . When bible fail na yabis remain.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont mind him and Gombs, his bumbling close associate

Jealous? Wetin consign" you. Freedom of association. You get your buddies don't you?

The truth is, if tithing is stopped, most of these organisations will be forced to close up shop because all their arguments are based on their entitlement to tithes which they have no right to, their dependence and their reliance on tithes to stay/keep afloat

FA far far fa FOUL! . It's carnal of you to think that way. Tithes is one of the least givings . I'm serious . 10% May look big in your eyes but for givers it's the least . Some of us even give more than the 10% as tithes . Because it just looks so small . I personally reverted back to 10% since it's what God demanded . I can channel money to other projects . The free will giving is far higher than tithes . People give lands and cars . People give millions for Gods work. What is common 10%? Didn't you hear how people bought plane for their pastor? How much tithe will buy that.

openmine:
Are U saying petra1 is joagbaje?
That's very serious...I wish I had known earlier...smh

You go come do Wetin na?
Well "THOU SAYETH SHA" . But funny after all the principle principle thing . You no know my writing

Gombs:
These are what the Bible called "mixed multitude"

Suddenly, he is fully devoted but does not do all 'his church' teaches... How 'smart'

A man must stay where his conviction is. If you don't believe in what they teach , find your place . If not you can't be blessed