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Junia:
Yhs
1 Cor. 16:1

Junia:
Please do you know more than Jesus
He called tithing a law
He is God
Who are you not to call it a law ??

MuttleyLaff:
You and your Joagbaje alter ego are real hard-case incorrigibles

Do you have any other bible verse corroborating this delusion of yours that Jesus encouraged tithing?
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Junia:
Tithing was a law
He refered to it as a law

Junia:
He considered tithing because He was still fulfiling the law

Junia:
to obey the law of tithing .. you are actually alienting yourself from Christ and have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4)

Junia:
Jesus spoke about tithing but considered it as a lighter part of the law
Now Christians are not under the law at all

MuttleyLaff:
Tithing is legalistic and that's why Jesus never encouraged

Why not acquaint members with all these financial responsibilities
and teach them about the principle of Generous & Cheerful Giving as found in 2 Corinthians 8:1-15 & 2 Corinthians 9:7
I doubt whether at all 2 Corinthians 8:13 is ever taken notice off

BERNIMOORE:
This is what Our Oversabi pastors 'phrased as Tithe predates Law' To Milk people Dry

BERNIMOORE:
Three forms of tithe SOLELY BASED ON INCREASE ON THEIR OWN POSSESION. so which Tithe predates Law? Even pagan Tithed before christ era, Tax were paid in Tenth % to the government then, jesus paid ten% of Tax to Ceacar, This is what Our Oversabi pastors 'phrased as Tithe predates Law' To Milk people Dry

benjsniper33:
Bros tithe is tithe. So far its one- tenth of your gain or your yield. All tithes are sacred and should be given to God either through feeding the needy, widows, sick or helping in building the house of God.
Also tithe can be weekly, monthly, yearly, bi-anually or perennially depending on the time when your harvest or yield comes.
We have only one God , he passes his messages in different ways but he means just one simple thing
TITHE IS TITHE BROS!

Raymysterio:
Have you tried to find out why Tithe was paid at all? God separated the levites from their brothers (The Children of Israel) to be His Priest. This separation made them forfeit there lands and goods in Israel to a total service to God. This land Originally belong to all the Children of Israel and the levites are descendant of Levi, a direct son of Jacob who God separated with his descendants to be priest unto him. Because of this calling to serve God and forfeiture of landed properties, God now instructed their brothers and their descendants to give one 10th of all they acquired from the land, to sustain there brothers who where part owners of these lands and therefore are entitled to what is gotten from it. But they where separated by God. Compare that to today Pastors who own landed properties, Universities and all... do they have the moral standing to accept tithe going by the reason why God instituted tithe? Think, read and be wise...

Give your tithe to the poor... and Men of God willingly NOT because they coerce you to do so...God bless

freshcvvs:
As for Mathew 23:23, KJV didn't include any "income", I had to go back to my bible, the NKJV must have tipped that in to try to "cover" for the money excuse.

Kindly quote your KJV and see.

DeKen:
(Note that Paul uses an Old Covenant illustration for financial support of the ministry. I mention this because some people believe that everything Moses gave as part of the Law is no longer even relevant to a New Covenant Christian. )
(Note also that this outreach was part of Paul's ministry - and Paul was not a Pastor of a church.)

1 Cor 9:9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about the oxen that God is concerned?
1 Cor 9:10 Surely he says this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
1 Cor 9:11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?

(Note that Paul also believed in the principal of financial sowing and reaping.)

1 Cor 9:12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

(Note also that Paul states that he (the ministry) has the right to expect to be financially supported by those ministered to.)

(Next Paul uses the Old Covenant Levitical priesthood as an illustration for financial support of the ministry. This is the Levitical priesthood, which received the tithe. I mention this because in nearly all of the anti-tithe teachings they state that the Levitical system has no relevance to New Covenant Christians. Now remember, Paul is talking about financial support here ...)

1 Cor 9:13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?
1 Cor 9:14 IN THE SAME WAY, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

(Question: How was food provided to those who worked in the temple? Answer: The tithe and the offerings.)

ChikaSunday:
Hey, pray, may God give you enlightened spirit and wisdom to interpret His WILL(which ar all in His word, Bible). For now you are confused. Clearly God is saying the same thing in all those bible passages.

Biblical scholars have seen the differences in these sources concerning the recipients of the tithe as due to the social background of two separate sources, each having its own applications. Throughout the Rabbinic literature, however, the sources are harmonized and the following system emerges.

Terumah
The tithes have to be given from corn, wine, and oil by biblical law and from fruit and vegetables by Rabbinic law. The farmer first separates from the yield a portion (a sixtieth, fiftieth, or fortieth at the farmer’s discretion), known as terumah (‘heave offering’ or ‘gift’). This is given to a Kohen (priest) and is treated as sacred food in that it must not be eaten when the priest is in a state of ritual contamination or when the terumah itself has suffered contamination. Nor may it be eaten by a non-Kohen. tithing

Three Kinds of Maaser
A tenth of the remainder of the yield, known as maaser rishon, ‘the first tithe,’ is then separated and given to a Levite. The Levite, in turn, separates a tenth of his tithe and this, known as terumat maaser, is given to a Kohen to be treated with the same degree of sanctity as the original terumah, The portion given to the Levite has no sanctity and may be eaten by an ordinary Israelite.

The farmer separates a tenth of the reminder of his yield, known as maser sheni, ‘the second tithe.’ This has to be taken to Jerusalem and consumed there in a spirit of sanctity. If it is too difficult to take the second tithe to Jerusalem, it can be redeemed by substituting for it a sum of money which is then taken to Jerusalem and food and drink purchased with it to be consumed there.

Ovamboland:
If you had a vision to slaughter your son the next morning will you bind the dream or go ahead with the slaughter in faith?

And are you also ready to put your female house help in the family way while still exercising faith. If not why are you not following this Abrahamic examples?

Boss13:
These charlatans refuse to agree amongst themselves

MrPresident1:
Joagbaje, I gave you everything, I called your name severally as I explained many things, I gave you many references , but I doubt if you ever checked anyone of them.

When the cities are wasted without inhabitant, you will understand.

The kingdom of our God and His Christ will be during the days of trying to mix WESTERN CIVILISATION and its derivatives with ISLAM. Daniel 2:34,44

Topgainer:
Judging position, critize position, judging people, critisizing inferior and superior, judging action. How do you know one false prophet with his imposter Christ (Rev 6:2) and his conquered slaves is superior to a little child of say 6 years who loves Jesus and the uncomplicated teachings of Christ? Swallowing the doctrines of men is dangerous to your spirit, soul and body. There are many men out there who teach as doctrines the commandment of men.

It is end time Beware. My sincere prayer for you is that your eyes are opened to see the happenings and fulfilment of the Bible concerning false teachers poured out into the world at this time.

My resolve to expose the unfruitful works of darkness wherever I find them is firm.

Topgainer:
You are also a critic for criticizing my positions.
You are also a 'judge' for judging my position

and let me emphasize that the meaning of judgement in reference to the scripture you quoted is not the same with what you are alluding to. I judge nobody because I know Him who is the Judge, who is able to kill both the body and soul.
Satanic Ministers threaten and curse in the name of their gods, they are quick to accuse of blasphemy. Blasphemy against what? Ministers of Satan are not ministers of God. They are ministers of their belly

. . . follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

. . . . reminds me of a statement by one of your lords that only those who bring tithes are qualified for blessings

Listen good, I don't own any ministry and I am not interested in owning any or fulfilling any Satanic ministry

Paul criticized the hypocrisy of Peter regarding association with gentiles, Peter took correction and that is Christianity not Judiasm or other forms of religious cults.

Junia:
Yhs ..
The funny stuff is that tithe was not even money

Junia:
Tithes were for the levites .. priests .. widows etc

Junia:
So did the scripture say we should pay tithes to them
Read Galatians 6:6
It states clearly that we should provide for our teachers
The early Church provided for their teachers
They didnt pay tithes to them

Junia:
And you Philippians yourselves know that in the beginning of the gospel, when I left Macedonia, no church entered into partnership with me in giving and receiving, except you only. Even in Thessalonica you sent me help for my needs once and again. . . . I have received full payment, and more. I am well supplied, having received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent (Phil. 4:15– 18).
They gave paul gifts and supplied his needs
They didnt pay tithe to him

jideflash:
What will you describe owning private jets.

riding bulletproof cars with heavenly armed security men

. i dont believe all pastor are corrupt offcourse But a large sum are compromised

What i dont understand is why huge funds from donations dont reflect in the church members

Now most churches are more concerned about establishing Universities, which generate so much money that arent taxed.

Alot of their members come for healing, why cant Hospitals be built instead, which is more practical to his members needs.

Junia:
Tithing was a law

because that was the way to feed the poor and the priests
Now for the poor .. we are instructed to give to them

.. not tithe though
And there are no priests now
We have Apostles .. Prophets .. Evangelists .. Pastors .. Teachers ( Ephesians 4:11)
So who is the priest to receive tithe ??

Junia:
I am a Christian and i am under the law of Christ
Which is loving my neighbour and loving God
Everything is about love
Therefore i dont steal .. covet .. kill because i love

Boss13:
Your perspective is coming from a local church. The churches you mentioned all have G.O who do not work for anybody else, rather want their branch pastors to work so that they can eat their money too.