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Freshboi87:
So correcting someone is the same as judging the person abi........

You’re learning at last!

Kayharry:
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Why would someone buy such car in Nigeria where the bumper will break on you first outing due to bad road . Maybe it’s for future use or for garage decoration

WHAT MAKE A FALSE MINISTER part 1
We have to be careful who we label as false.

Mostly People see everyone who they don't seem to agree with doctrinal as false .

Jesus was a False minister to some . Even till now

John 7:12
There was a lot of discussion about him among the crowds. Some said, “He’s a wonderful man,” while others said, “No, he’s duping the public.”

Even among his disciples . Some saw his teaching as heresy

Jn 6:56 — Jn 6:66
. .By eating my flesh and drinking my blood you enter into me and I into you. . . .After this a lot of his disciples left. They no longer wanted to be associated with him.

So think twice before you label a man as false . Just because you don't agree with his teaching. How are you sure he is the one who is wrong and not you .

The Bible gives us standard to judge fashood . We have to follow directive of scripture to ensure we don’t fall into misjudgememnt

Freshboi87:
where art thou sense ??

Very intact

1Co 4:3
But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord..

So where is your own sense

genkins:
How can a PhD holder explain to a primary school pupil? His words will be nonsense to the pupil.misinterpreting Bible exactly as your pastor does. Can't you even use common sense? Not to talk of the spirit helping.

Okay professor . Explain Hebrew 10:25

CodeTemplar:
Doing the lords work by saying people shouldn't tithe. You must be another one commissioned from the outermost darkness.

Classic

genkins:
You mean crass ignorance...


I am embarrassed by what u wrote up there.its your type that thinks only people that goto church events on Sunday will make heaven.
It's your type that thinks moslems and all other religions will goto hell.
It's your type that thinks you can subscribe God like Dstv Monthly with your 10%.
Its your type that thinks there is something called spiritual father here on earth.
It's your type that thinks Abraham, David, Solomon and malachi were Christians Because thier names featured in the Bible.
It's your type that cannot differentiate BTW Bible and scriptures.
It's your type that does not know the Bible contains two religions..
It's your type that doesnt know that you and your pastor are equal in the eyes of God and that church hierarchy is purely administrative and not spiritual.

It's your type that will think honor your father and mother refers to your pastor instead of your earthy parents.

Such brainwashing.lol

You see why I will continue being embarrassed

You should be embarrassed as long as you cannot explain yourself from scriptures.

genkins:
I am embarrassed by what u wrote up there

Truth can embarrass ignorance

shadeyinka:
. The ones I did ask, you misrably ignored. Go practice your message elsewhere.

Signed out!

Abi

genkins:
Am even embarrassed that I'm teaching you when you think not forsaking That gathering of the brethren as advised by Paul means church.

Kindly Yell us what it means then . While you're telling it read other translations

Hebrews 10:25
not avoiding worshiping together as some do but spurring each other on, especially as we see the big Day approaching.

.. Am thoroughly embarrassed that honor thy father and mother in means to u spiritual father and mother.

You should be rather embarrassed by your lack of comprehension. And misquoting my post

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Am embarrassed .Christian toddler

You don't have to continue to be an embarrassed Christian todler.

Let the nations call on God

backnbeta:
Freeze is simply wasting his time if he thinks he's big enough to rattle the body of Christ.

He's just a baby Christian.

genkins:
Let me shut you once and for all with this scripture..

Ok try

Matt 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

Those are the words of christ. Tell me that you take the words of Paul over christ. Maybe you are a paulian not a Christian. In Christianity, there is nothing like spiritual father apart from God in heaven. Paul made many mistakes but our foundation is in christ and not Paul.[/b]

It means you misunderstood the word of christ.

Exodus 20:12
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long

Mar 10:18 — Mar 10:19
And Jesus said unto him. . . Honour thy father and mother.

God is not author of confusion..

for all your other points, there are laughable. U sound like all those people that went to Bible school where they brainwash you with stupid talk of seniority in church

After you finish the laughableness . Read my post again with open heart. You will see light

you woundnt even know that where you goto worship on Sunday is not a church. You wouldn't know that.

1 Corinthians 16:2 MSG
Every Sundayeach of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal

You are immersed in the establishment called church

Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is

Your interpretation of Romans 14:4 is funny but scary.. It has aligned with the principle of Satanism - do what thou wilt.

2 Corinthians 13:8
For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth

If you cant take the bible for what it says then there's a serious problem . Its time for you to question what they taught you . Supposing they are wrong.

Freshboi87:
so who rebukes paul?

The lord

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genkins:
Pathetic submission from an ignorant person. Can a masters student argue with a nursery pupil? Paul's concessions are commands from God. Clap for yaself

Messages of paul were Part of scriptures in the Bible days

genkins:
You see your problem eh? How do I explain to you that a pastor is not the head of the church?

You’re wrong . The head of local assembly is the pastor there .

1 Corinthians 4:15-16 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Who Else in the congregation could have been senior to Paul . Kindly show us from scripture

You quoted Titus 2:15..that one should rebuke with all authority.. Dont you understand that authority here is derived from the scriptures and not office/earthly administrative office in a church establishment?


Titus was sent to Pastor that church . So he rebuked by his Pastoral authority just as Paul would do.

You quoted Roman 14:4..you guys don't read in context. You cannot judge another man's servant.. Meaning you cannot judge sango or ifa worshippers but you can judge a fellow Christian as a Christian yourself.

Wrong ! It means if a man does what he does by his Biblical conviction in his doctrine you can’t judge him . He has right to his conviction

You quoted 1cor 2:15..

15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,

From above if you read in context you will understand that the judgment spoken of here is you being in the spirit and not being swayed by human interpretation or human knowledge to things.

It doesn’t matter the translation . The principle remains

1 timothy 5:20(Niv) tells you to rebuke an elder and the authority is the scriptures.

A pastor can rebuke elders under him . He is their spiritual father . Paul can rebuke Timothy and Timothy can rebuke members or
Leaders who are his Surbodinates . Paul instructed Timothy And Titus to appoint indiciduals as elders to start with .

Titus 1:5 (KJV)
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

genkins:
But didn't Jesus rebuke the pharisees which were the leaders of religion and were by far older?

Jesus was a Prophet . He functionee in an office . A prophet can judge nation, kings etc .

1 Corinthians 2:15
. . But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Peter also threw shades at the writings of Paul.

Explain

And pls show us were it is written that you cannot rebuke if u don't have authority.

You must have authority to rebuke


Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

And can you show me where the bible day members can rebuke Pastors

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You can only rebuke where you have authority . Only Ignorant folks are hailing Daddy Freeze.
Peter Messed up in Paul's church. As the Pastor there he had juridction to correct error under his leadership.

It is different from ignorant rebbels running around and calling their fathers mate bastards . Because they using Paul to justify their lack of home training.

Every man of God who rebuke in the bible functioned in an offce of authority.

Dadfy freeze is just exercising Pride ..
When Handkerchief was taken from the body of Paul to heal the sick why dont you call that idolizing the man of God .

Firstly Paul was an apostle. Its takes a man of God to correct another Man of God. .
Secondly you corrext or rebuke where you have authority. I e under your jurisdiction. Paul Rebuked Peter Bcause Paul was the Pastor of the church. It is different from Church members rebukinng Pastor. Peter was a visitor and he laid an open bad example. The correction was important for Peter and the brethren .

Those who capitalize on paul and peter issue to unsult ministers are only following their fleshly lust. It is unscriptural.

WHAT ABOUT A FALSE MINISTER

The bible still didnt say to insult him .
What the Bible say is to reject him .Don't associate with him .

WITHDRAW FROM HIM
1Ti 6:3 — 1Ti 6:5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words . . .from such withdraw thyself

DON'T SUPORT HIM
2Jo 1:10 — 2Jo 1:11
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine [is disloyal to what Jesus Christ taught], do not receive him [do not accept him, do not welcome or admit him] into [your] house or bid him Godspeed or give him any encouragement.
For he who wishes him success [who encourages him, wishing him Godspeed] is a partaker in his evil doings.

There is jo place where the bible command us to insult ministers if you perceive them as false .

jmoore:
Man of God, Man of God, Man of God!!!

Are the other members, men of Satan?


Thank God, I worship no pastor.

Once I start my own family, I will have a private chapel.

Man of God refer to an office

Satan attacking the Christian Faith using many Trojan horses and false brethren.

2Ti 3:1 — 2Ti 3:3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Amitez:
You missed the message in the post. Go and read it again! I am not aware that a Pastor is a spouse to unbelieving husband. I am still learning though, but The RCCG that I know, where I worked as a marriage counsellor would not wed a Christian and muslim couple. So, why ordain a wife of a muslim as a Pastor?

If a woman is called.to.ministry she should be ordained . It doesn't matter if her Husband is a babalawo

tobechi74:
Power: Some pastors leave their previous church over disagreement on certain issues. They wanted things to go a certain way. The senior pastor rejected and they angrily left to form their own church where they would be the one taking decision

Church started based on rebbellion cannot last except the individual amend his way.

These want to be in charge of every decision making process. They appoint the choir leader, welfare head,drama coordinator etc. They will tell the leader the song to sing . Whoever disagrees with him is removed and replaced with a O-Yes members who agrees to all he says .. Questioning them is the same as challenging their a ithority .

Nothing is wrong with that. It's wisdom. You don't empower strangers but loyalty

They hardly take correction

It's not your place to correct the Pastor. That attitude alone is sihn of pride and rebbellion. How are you sure he is the one whonis wrong . If there are things you don't agree with. Ask questions why it is so . Get clarification or pray for change or leave !

Criticise their action and they curse you and your generation.

Criticism is rebellion . God himself is against rebeles .


1 Corinthians 10:10
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Insult them and get beaten

Proverbs 19:29
Judgments are prepared for scorners,
and stripes for the back of fools.

Exodus 22:28
"Don't curse God; and don't damn your leaders.


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They are easily identified by their tendency to shout while preaching despite the numerous microphone and loudspeaker

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Thats fervor! Desire it.

They love to issue command..

Its his place to co.mand . Its your place to obey

2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

They are annoited and you are not and that makes them superior to you

Yes God makes men leaders and calls them into office .

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

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They can be proud ,pumpous and boastful.

Dont copy his wrong .Pray for him . And leave him to God.

Mat 23:2 — Mat 23:3
. . .The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Their favorite Bible verses are Touch not my annoited and do my prophet no harm

Oh its no longer Malachi?

and The kingdom of God suffereth violence…….taketh it by force. The first verse prevents you from criticizing him while the later gives him licence to be violent.

As long as the verse is from scripture. Do what they teach

Zzor:
? Some even died in the suffering,what perfect explanations can be given to this?Knowledgeable people of God should please come in and quench my curiosity.Thanks

God is not responsible for human suffering . Neither has he called us to suffer . People suffer due to their ignorance unbelief or by choice .

There are different kinds of sufferings . The only suffering that God ordained us for is persecution . It’s our joy to go through it . But suffering of lack , sickness and poverty are not from God . Every problem has it’s own solution . And solution to these problems is not in our crying to God but rather for us access the wisdom to deal with it . Righteousness and faithfulness is not answer to problems even though they have their reward . Lazarus was righteous but died poor.

There are different solution to different problem. Many . Some problem of live are demonic . You have to excercise your Authority against the enemy . Sometimes it could be ignorance of your rights and privileges in Christ . Sometimes it could be a wrong habit and lifestyle that opened the Door to the devil . Lack of prayer and fellowship with God could be a reason . If you don’t fellowship with God how can the right ideas come to you . Some others could be laziness .
It depends on what problem it is . Some other problems comes as test of our faith .


James 1:2-4
2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Every of such challenge are always within your ability to deal with it. Except you’re ignorant or unyielding to the wisdom of God

1 Corinthians 10:13
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

The problem that come as test don’t usually last . Once you prove your steadfastness you God despite the problem he promotes you .

2 Corinthians 4:17
17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

Dtruthspeaker:
A True Christian does not discriminate, Sectionlize, Tribalize, and Partialize.

For it is the Commandment of God, "Love the Stranger and welcome them to your midst if they want to join you in serving the Lord God. They are No More Strangers, they are your Brethren".

Loving them is not thesame as marrying them. Everyone have right to marry a man of their choice . Her crime is just because she said it out. Those who judge her have their own choices inside of them

bamvik:
I will like to know your view concerning the above topic. happy sunday

Depends on individual interpretation .

You can give an offering in Thanksgiving to God for a miracle you have probably recived

It can become testimony offering if you give it after sharing testimony

Frenzy01:
I no longer believe in religion or going to church, this development is quite surprising due to my upbringing in a staunch Deeper life Christian home.

I find myself laughing sometimes unconsciously when someone mentions prayers as a solution to a problem.
Maybe this is due to the fact that I've prayed and fasted for years for a financial breakthrough but all to no avail.

The Word of God still works. Prayers get answers and lastly there is solution to every problem. Its obvious you no longer believe in the church you're attending.
Not that anything is wrong with them. It may be time to move to a new understanding . So Instead of leaving christ why not leave your churxh . Maybe
Your matter requires the ministry of a prophet or a deliverance minister. Or you need to seat under the teaching of a faith preacher or prosperity teaching .

When I see people that are less religious or morally corrupted doing well and presiding over the overly religious people, I feel bad the more.

There are principle of prosperity. Holiness and faithfulness don't necessarily bring prosperity. They have thier reward though. Lazarus was holy yet he died poor. You need the teaching on prosperity to prosper just as you need the teaching of healing to recive healing .

I don't wanna believe anymore in chopping life for heaven, I wanna Live a good life also here on Earth

I agree with you .

I hope I'm not going over the board?
I hope everything is still normal with me?

Your dissatisfaction may be a genuine godly desire to move up. But you need to be in the atmosphere that will help your faith . This may not be same for everybody because there are psople in your church who still propser there . But ee are looking at your own peculiar case and solution. But you have to be sure also that you're not facing a distraction. It can be a blessing blocker, especially if your desire are not towards things of godly value.


James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

I thought they said e get million fans. Where drm go na?

MuttleyLaff:
I asked those two questions because I know that democratically elected constituted authorities cum rulers of Naija people have been cursed from the bullpiss,

sorry meant pulpit, and so violated that your earlier quoted Exodus 22:28 - "Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people" verse

Wrong! . The rulers referred to in the book of Exodus are priest and prophets.