₦airaland Forum

MuttleyLaff:
What manner of proof-texting is this? Maybe I need to go get a magnifying glass to see where in all this pastor(s) is written. Simple request seems like asking to go get cold water from hell, smh.

Make sure you do .

petra1, who is/are the ruler of Naira people? Who are the democratically elected constituted authorities cum rulers of Naija people?

Rulers refer to leadership of Gods people

Romans 12:8
. . .he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. . .

MuttleyLaff:
I am a hireling that come back with this sort of reply. OK, you want to play that game, yeah? No problem, as two I guess, can play this game too. Oya, show me verses, where pastor(s) is/are mentioned not to be rebuked for their behaviour and/or actions

Jud 1:8 — Jud 1:10
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Exodus 22:28
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Psalms 105:15
Saying, Touch not mine anointed,
and do my prophets no harm.

MuttleyLaff:
"Fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath;
instead, bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord."
- Ephesians 6:4

"Fathers, do not make your children resentful. Otherwise, they'll become discouraged.
(i.e. Fathers, do not vex your children, to the end that they be not disheartened
Fathers, do not fret and harass your children, or you may make them sullen and morose)"
- Colossians 3:21

Wrong quote . The verse is not about Pastors but earthly parents .

desiredhome:
Are you saying that those structure can not be faulted?......
If today, pastor kumuye is talking of adjusting some of the rules of DL church of which many people were complaining? including some of the church members?
Meaning it was his own doctrines? for him to say he want to review the rules?

Certain measure could be put in place by the understanding of a man of God. When Kumuyi said NO TV. He meant well. The principle was correct. To take distraction from Gods people. Its just that other people consider using the TV for God purpose . But the TV has really devastating effects on the faith of many .

Are these structures God's structure or GO's structures?

It could be either. If you dont like the structure of your church pray for change or leave the church.

When you pray Change will happen. Either God change the system or change you . I mean the man

desiredhome:
Also most of the decisions/errors are from the headquarter and most of the pastors only obey instructions without asking questions, even when they are not comfortable with the decisions........

In that case its not an error. Its the structure . Maybe its the individual that need to change his perception

WHO DO YOU REPORT A PASTOR TO?

If he is in under a denomination and he will not give you a hearing you can report him to his superiors. Some ministers have been suspended for wrong. If he is the president of his own ministry he has spiritual fathers to whom he pays his tithe .

genkins:
Watch below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GvgWPP0vi8

Great message. Just as we tell them folks here often . There are biblical approach to issues. Not acting as REBELS In Gods household

Its not just Nigeria . There is systemic Plan by Satan to end Christianity Globaly and pave way for the one world global religion .

Its not so fod every church it deoends on what atmosphere rule in a place . And also what kind of teaching they hear. Fod example The bullying and insults by chirstians on nairaland is not the same with others.

Jam 3:14 — Jam 3:15
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
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MuttleyLaff:
Fyi, 2 Samuel 1:20 is not a precept.

We can learn great things from others mistakes, if we aren't busy trying to bury them or sweep them under the carpet, and pretending they never happened. . .,

Matthew 7:3
“And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?

You can start with yours . .your church ,your Pastor.

1 Peter 4:15
But let none of you suffer as a . . .busybody in other men's matters.

Besides many accusations are known to be false. Dead man is not there to defend himself

Mrsoft3:
Coza is pure representation of excellence in the body of Christ,no doubt about that.


But what brought about the other pastors? I don't talk about men of God that's because they are not men of men but men of God. Let God alone tall about them. Every body is a representation of a system. I don't care Orthodox or penticostal it is one God with different system.

You can post the link of the service you watched . Since now you have made me curious to watch what you watched

ictplotter:
Paul says:
Rom.3
[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Jesus says:
Matt.12
[37] for by your words or work you will be justified, and by your words or works you will be condemned.

and Paul in new testament, which seem to be contradicting. Who should will obey here now, jesus or Paul?

The use of the word Justification by christ has to do with The day of Judgement. But Paul wasn't talking about the same thing . He was talking . Paul was rather talking about now. The Salvation experience by being born again .

Those biblical verses above are direct words from both jesus christ

You added "works " to the words of jesus .
That makes you false accuser

Kindly scroll other churches channels too

Mrsoft3:
I still don't get the msg you are passing, are you a religious person of you are Christlike?

Probably he got blown away by their level of excellence .

Mightyodi:
@petra1 quite a lot of interesting stuffs you put out there, sir can you talk more about spiritual compatibility. What could be a factor where two people are emotionally compatible but spiritually incompatible.

Let me take a Pastor for example . A particular person would have been very compatible for Him if he were a doctor or civil servant. She has his attention . They come back home early and everything is fine . but If he were a Pastor She can’t bear the fact that his attention is shared with people . He can’t take vacation like others . There is tension . Some ladies have left a man judt because he got called by God .

Just like the case of being married to a non christian . They had good relationship before she got born again but now there is tension to the point God allows them to divorce on the ground of spiritual Incompatibility should the other party desire it

1 Corinthians 7:15 (NLT)
15 (But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the believing husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called you to live in peace.)

Life is about purpose . Marriage is about destiny not just making children . Some people will never fulfil their assignment in life just because of who they are married to . I just use a pastor as example but the truth is that we all have our assignments and callings

if there are factors affecting spiritual compatibility, and the prophet sees them in the spirit realm can't he have answer to it.
A prophet who said he sees without having answers, is it a real prophet?

A prophet is a seer . But all prophets are not the same . Some see , and they are equipped with other gifts also such as miracles and healing . It’s like I’m medicine . The lab scientist can see the virus , the doctor knows how to deal with it but he needs a lab scientist to find out from test.

The prophet I mentioned to you gave descriptions of the ladies and told The brother . You have a choice if this is ok by you , go for it, It’s not , you either help her deal with the issues “diagnosed” or leave her.

Remember we have cases of people who seem perfect for each other in every way but they are medically incompatible AS vs AS or SS

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My friend said his girlfriend told him he's not compatible with her to make it in life according to the prophet.

Well have you heard of cases where a man marries a woman and Ftom the day of marriage his life begins to go down financially , losses etc.
They say she has bad luck . But the issue is some people have spiritual problem especially ladies that have “spiritual husband “. The marriage becomes hell , yet they were wonderful friends . Now the man is broke . The wife is feeding him And cursing him. It does happen to men also.
A prophet could see that and advise not to go ahead . But if he has grace to cast out devils he could have dealt with it but it still depends on the victim “lady” to have the humility it takes to be free.

That she's compatible with the other name she brought. Meanwhile, she( her girlfriend said emotionally she's not connected with that person, because that person is more of a stranger to her

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Love is a choice . We can love anyone we chose to love . Sometimes we take the chemistry feeling as love . Love is based on knowledge . We choose to love a person based on what we admire of the person

So I wondered, is it a real prophecy? Why don't the prophet proffer solution like prayer & fasting to aid their compatibility.

Secondly, Can a true prophet spot a problem without solution.

He can recommend a solution but he can’t go beyond his grace . All prophets and Pastors have different gift but I agree with you . At least if he can’t deliver a person he should be humble to say “ take him for deliverance “

Thirdly, When a prophet advices a man to change his choice of whom to marry based a statement like compatibility,

It depends on level of authority the prophet has over the man . Even those who are not prophets . Like some parents who prays a lot they can descent if their son or daughter is in a wrong relationship . They can say “my son this is not your wife’ . Because they have been praying for him and can sense he’s making a mistake. It is dicey though because some parents can abuse it

is it scriptural

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Abraham got wife for his son . He didn’t go seeking . Every thing depends

This is usually the cases in Africa, but doesn't happen in Western world where Christian began.

That’s why there’s so much divorce there .

Myer:
Apostate.

Because the way you quote scriptures and express yourself got my attention

Myer:
Maybe your own Jesus probably preached hell fire more than heaven but the one in the bible clearly focused more on heaven. Likewise his disciples.
They did mention hell fire but were preaching heavenly kingdom.

May be if you spent more time studying your bible than ranting and arguing on social media, you'll know what the gospel is. And start preaching that.

By the way, you should be more worried you keep dreaming of rapture and hell fire cos no disciple dreamt of such, they only saw visions of heaven.
You should study more on stephen, Paul and John.

Are you a Christian.

Mightyodi:
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Back to the question, can a Prophet or Pastor determine one's marital spouse? Secondly, can they for tell whose spouse will become successful in marriage, giving my friend's experience?

God can chose a wife for a man .it depends on several factors. But he seldom doesn that.

By the virtue of ministry God may give you a wife. He told Hosea to marry a prostitute.

People function at different levels of submission to God. A christian who is carnal cannot be given a wife by God . He need a carnal woman like himself

Marriage from heaven is based on God's plan and destiny for the individual. Everybody filled with God's spirit should be able to determine who they feel comfortable with and have compatibility with.

However some people have all the compatibility but there could be a spiritual problem that the faith of the individual may not be string to deal with .

There is emotional icompatibility
There is spiritual compatibility
There is intellectual compatibility etc.

A real prophet may choose who's best among options presented . But it is based on a specific purpose ..

If you're a pastor you can't just marry anybody . She must have a heart for ministry .that's becomes your priority. Not africa magic and zeeworld watcher .

Someone just want respectful wife. Some want a woman who can hold the house in their absence, some just want a peaceful woman who doesn't keep friend. Another one wants a flashy lady he can show off .

The purpose of God for you and your top priority play major role in choices. If not any christian should have been good for another .

A prophet can see some issue ahead . He can't impose somebody on you he can only analyze.

"Ia brother once met a prophet about marriage " He told her to bring 3 names of ladies he liked. . On merely Seing their names accurately described the 3 of them .This first lady he describe she had issue with anger and stubbornness. But she is very chaste and love God. He describe the other 2 accurately also then he told the brother the choice is yours .

Finally there is no one single person assigned by God to an individual if not widows should never remarry.

What too much super heroes movies can cause . These are the kinds of people satan use to store persecution against Christian faith

The division in the body of Christ is giving the enemy foot hold especially in nigeria .
Government in the world are bring hijacked by the enemy while the church is sleeping or fighting one another.

James 4:1
​ From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

Grace can depart of diminish under such carnal atmosphere .

Governments of the world are getting emboldened to make laws against the gospel and the Christian faith.

There was an attempt to make law to retire G.Os at certain time . Today's its cama. If we don't wake up from sleep and throw away the setiments against one another the enemy will only keep gaining more grounds . More deadly laws will emerge.
Our strength is in unity our grace is in unity

Act 4:32 — Act 4:33
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Our faith is not for fighting for personal interest but to fight for the faith and preservation . If not one day a news paper will headline will read "THERE WAS ONCE A RELIGION CALLED CHRISTIANITY"

RUSSIA NEW ANTI CHRISTIANITY LAW

END TIME: Russia has banned any form of religion soon it will be universal

Troubling times for the Church in Russia as the State tries to seal loopholes for anyone to meet Christ.

A new law has been signed this week by President Putin stating that:

1) Foreign guests are not permitted to speak in churches unless they have a "work permit" from Russian authorities

2) If a friend or relative from outside Russia wishes to share his/her faith in your home the guest will be fined and expelled from Russia.

3) Any discussion of God with non-believers is considered missionary activity and will be punishable.

4) Missionary activity will be permitted by special government permission. Example: If one travelling on a train shares his faith without written permission, the offender will be taken into police custody for the duration of the journey and will be fined 50,000 rubles ($1,000).
Offenders from the age of 14-years-old will be subject to prosecution

5) Religious activity is no longer permitted in private homes. Most churches in Russia meet in homes.

6) Every citizen is obligated to report religious activity of neighbors to the authorities. Failure to be an informant is punishable by law.

7) One may pray and read the Bible at home but not in the presence of a non-believing person. You will be breaking the law and be punished.

If the church has purchased property it cannot be converted into a place of worship.

9) In church buildings, it is not permitted to invite people to turn to God. Worship services are permitted but making a non-believer a follower of Christ is against the law.
Let us pray against such evil statutes.

http://www.charismanews.com/world/58295-7-000-churches-fasting-praying-over-terrifying-new-persecution-law

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/russia-enacts-law-to-restrict-religious-freedom-and-missionary-activities
PRAY FOR RUSSIA

PastorAIO:
So you admit that there is bad news in your kingdom. Well done.

Allegations either true or false is still bad news. Christian work is evangelism and Soulwinning.

MuttleyLaff:
"¹³It was nearly time for the Jewish Passover celebration, so Jesus went to Jerusalem.
¹⁴In the Temple area he saw merchants selling cattle, sheep, and doves for sacrifices;
He also saw dealers at tables exchanging foreign money.
¹⁵Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple.
He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables."
- John 2:13-15

Preaching the good news terrain, comes with scattering the scatterable.

Young man, you seem to be suffering from biblical amnesia, why not, read John 2:13-15 above, with focus on verse 15, so to refreshen your memory. It is posters like you that let the faith be in a state of rot because of your complacency

Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ never forbid us not to judge, but actually advised us how to judge, as in meaning, how to judge righteously. So whats the point, it is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ judged, John the Baptist judged and the apostles judged.

You cant compare yourself to Christ. He was a prophet. He's not raising unruly son of belief. Secondly there are different kinds of judgement.
Discernment
Assessment
Condemnation etc. The context determines which ones.

edoairways:
Mr man Christ called us to preach the good news not to scatter like you are doing.

Wise counsel

VBCampaign:
Further thoughts on the scandal...

Either its true or not. Lets Pubish the Good news of the kingdom not bad news. It should not be from you the Phillstines should hear that Saul has perish.

2Sa 1:17 — 2Sa 1:20
Then David composed a funeral song for Saul and Jonathan. . Oh, how have the mighty fallen!
Don’t announce the news in Gath,
don’t proclaim it in the streets of Ashkelon,
or the daughters of the Philistines will rejoice
and the pagans will laugh in triumph.

I don't think what Abel Damina did is right. Propbably because he bought into Daddy freeze doctrine . Daddy freeze for once deserve a good rebuke for calling Oyedepo Bastard . Its just that get sympathy that He cunningly claimed he was called Bastard for teaching about marriage .
But thats not true.

The video Pastor Ibiyeomie was reacting to was the fact that he called Bishop a Bastard.
That was against Bible ethics i know Daddy Freeze is just growing graduallyin the knowledgeof God .

But .Abel Damina You don't betray your fellow Pastor for popularity (I pray I'm wrong)

Matthew 24:10
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

emmanuelewumi:
There are millions of good people who have been giving this way for donkey’s years and have not made any progress financially. When they happen to experience a financial windfall, they lack the capacity to manage it and put it into another stream of income, hence going back to ground zero, living from hand to mouth and expecting another financial miracle.

Ots not true. If you give with the right heart you no doubt must receive . The word of God does not fail

englishmart:
Will, will, will. Why should someone who gave you free will still punish you for exercising your will?

He gives the consequences of the choices . When you make the wrong choice ,you chose the cosewuenxe by will

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore[b] choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live[/b]:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

englishmart:


The Bible says in Malachi that a tithe defaulter actually robs God. How can one rob the source of wealth itself?
This is like a case of a Dad, gifting his son 20k and still call him a thief if he doesn't return 2k later. Why not remove the 2k yourself, since you're the one the money is going back to, and give me 18k, so I won't be guilty of robbery?

Wrong ! What do you say about God giving Abraham a son and later ask him to worship him by sacrificing his son. The issue is not about the money, the son or the offering . Its about the fact that God has given you a free will and he want you to exercise it to worship him and also God want to see your detachment from any other thing in honor of him.

You could also have asked why would God want us to prY to him . Why dont he just bless .Why dont he just make us not sin .

He gave us power of will ,he tells us what to do and watch us express that will. Either by using style to horde things from him or we express our honor for him

PaulH07:
Just because I bear a Muslim surname, I've seen enough hatred and persecutions from so call Christian despite the fact that I've been a staunch Christian for a greater part of my life.

Youre lying and you know it. Christians dont persecute nobody. Its the other way round. Not to now talk about the fact that you're a Christian been persecuted just for for bearing muslim name Haba! Alahji. What should apostle suleiman say ,and other Christians who were once Muslims yet didn't change their name. This lie is getting too big bro

FavRicc:
Please what’s vr?

Ps4 Virtual Reality headset

Vr dey?

To be

There have been a little controversy over accountability of Pastors in conduct and Doctrine and what steps to take by members .

It is Possible for a pastor to err in Conduct or Doctrine . But our responses must be in line with scriptures .

So firstly It is not given by God for members to insult or rebuke their Pastor . Sometimes what you perceive as wrong may not be wrong so you need to be humble in your approach .

1 Timothy 5:1 (KJV)
. . Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

PERSONAL ERROR
IF there is perception of wrong in the conduct of a Pastor . For example a Pastor May call for fast and was found eating food or he has a weekness in his life . It could be anger , wrong attitude or character issue . This does not bring about insult and abuses . Whoever feel concerned should Pray about it . That should not affect your response to him receiving from him. Jesus spoke to the Jews about the error of he pharisees . He didn’t say people should insult them. rather he said to respect them still but not to copy them

Matthew 23:2-3 (KJV)
. . The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.



DOCTRINAL ERROR
Always Remember you may be right and you may also be wrong . Hence first Approach should be questions and seeking clarification . You have every right to ask your Pastor clarification based on scriptures

WHAT IF HIS ANSWER IS NOT SATIFACTORY
If you confront your Pastor over what you perceive as unclear or even wrong . You may be surprised in most cases that the pastor or clarifies you with scriptures . But if his response is not satifactory . Especially if he has a strong conviction on his stand either based on his understanding and interpretation of scriptures . The option you have left if you believe he is wrong is to pray for him or you leave the church . Always remember you may be the one not seeing from his perspective . Jesus taught Some things that were too hard for some of his followers . They didn’t need to curse or insult Jesus . They just stop following him .

John 6:65-66 (KJV)
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

So you have every right to Leave. a church if for any reason your spirit doesn’t agree with their teaching . That doesn’t mean they are wrong . There are different churches for different people .
Don’t make your self a judge over the belief or doctrine of a church . It’s God that opens a mans understanding to truth and everyone should walk faithfully in the light of truth they have .

Romans 14:2-6 KJV
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.



IF JESUS REBUKE LEADERS WHY CANT I

Jesus functioned in the office of a Prophet . A prophet has a mandate to judge , rebuke kings , leaders or even judge a whole nation . Not only Jesus rebuke leaders , Nathan , Samuel, Daniel, Jeremiah judged and rebuked Kings , priests and leaders . Because they functioned in the office and under the anointing of a prophet .

Jeremiah 1:10
See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant

Jeremiah 1:8-10 (KJV Strong's)
8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD. 9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth

CAN A MAN OF GOD BE REBUKED
Yes a man of God can be rebuked by another man of God . A superior to him or a colleague .But not By congregation .

QUESTION. CAN YOU REPORT A PASTOR ?

ANSWER : Yes

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WHAT ABOUT A FALSE MINISTER
WHAT MAKE A FASLE MINISTER
DOES A PERSONAL MISTAKE MAKE A MAN FASLE
DOES DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCE MAKE A MINISTER FALSE [/b]

. . . To be continued