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Maximus69:
That's because when the disease began, all of you ran for cover!

It's now that your business ventures have been shut down that you're all giving flimsy excuses, had it been that just one single person out of all you noisemakers stood up to cure Covid19 patients, such a person will gain direct access not only to patients in Nigeria but free visa to all the countries in the world!

Thats not true. Many have been healed already

maryAnwuzia:
THIS IS MARY ANWUZIA WHY SUCH NONSENSE LIES TAKE THIS SHIT DOWN HIS ALIVE AND WELL ALL THIS FAKE NEWS Bleep THAT SHIT YALL BELIEVE ANYTHING OVER THERE IN AFRICA HIS HERE IN THE USA ALIVE AND FINE NONSENSE SO A MAN CANT REST AFTER A LONG DAY FROM CHURCH . LOW LIFE PEOPLE FOR POSTING AND FAKE NEWS

I’m sure the op copy the news from OPERA NEWS. They are notorious for fake news

maryAnwuzia:
DO YOU THINK I GIVE A Bleep WHAT YOU THINK HELL NO . AND HIS NOT SICK BITCH PISS OFF NONSENSE AND YES I AM A DAMN GOOD LAWYER. LOOK AT YOU BELIEVER OF NONSENSE YOU ARE A BIG FOOL

Can you speak In more clearer English . It’s difficult comprehending your writing

Maximus69:
Through miracles shey?

So why is it that the social distancing still persist if your miracle can cure it?

Government don’t give access to patients

Bodydialect57:
Elisha will not live forever now. He had acommplished his mission and fulfilled his purpose, hence his departure though by means of sickness. He wasn't a man overcomed by sickness all through his ministry, meaning he practically benefited from his gifts before his departure

I agree but He didn’t have to die sick . Moses didn’t die sick neither did Aaron die sick . They bid everyone farewell and lay down to die

od4life:
Hmm...I agree. But then it is an anomaly for ministers or pastors to sell healing materials or items. Such pastors tend to commercialize the gospel & God's divine power, which should not be so.

Healing is supposed to be free.

Matthew 10:8
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Anyone who commercialize healing will corrupt his anointing .

Maximus69:
Real Christians don't expect spiritual healing now until God's Kingdom comes, what happened in the first century had a purpose and it has been met. There is nothing like spiritual healing today otherwise tell whoever claim it's real to go and cure Covid19 patients, they're everywhere.
There is no need deceiving people again!

Many Covid cases are healed already

Bodydialect57:
You mean a virtue can flow through and from a person without him/ her benefiting?

Take Elisha for example . He died of ailment .

2 Kings 13:14
14 Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died.

Yet Virtue passed through the same Elisha Which healed many sick people . Infact Even at his Death his body Still contained so much power that his dead bones raised a man back from the dead

2 Kings 13:21
21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

But this Virtue could not heal elisha of his ailment .

MuttleyLaff:
It is completely hypocritical for a minister to expect others have personal faith for personal healing, yet he/she is found wanting in that department to the extent of having to rely on eye glasses and not have his/her sighting corrected to 20-20 vision

Why ? Did he stop others from using glasses? A minister is a christian . If he has to heal himself ,it’s going to be by his christian faith. But the gift of healing is not for him but for others

I agree that a good number of these healing ministers are shams, fakes and/or charlatans

Its your assumptions . The ministry of healing is real

Bodydialect57:
Shouldn't a husbandman that labours be the first partaker of the fruit?

Well its not so with gift. You're custodian not a consumer. If gift will be used then it will be another minister that will minister to heal him . He can only minister to himself by faith . But not by the gift of the Spirit.

Manofvalor1:
So the so-called miracle Olive oil and Ribena that he's been coming to Edo and Delta to sell can not heal him?

The gift of God in you is to minister to others not yourself . Thats why Some healing ministers could be using eyeglass to read yet healing others of blindness. Personal healing of a minister is by his personal faith not by the gift he possses

OpenYourEyes1:
By the way, I wasn't really fully athiest back then. I usually switch between "athiesm" to "believing in a GOD that is more superior to Christian GOD". The hypocrisy among those I thought served the true GOD was unbearable to me. I just needed a kind, tolerant, non-violent, non-human like GOD(the worldly images of so called God really affected my view too). I thought GOD should be Spirit and everywhere & not like human. Presently, I have discovered that HE is more than what I expected back then. HE is more than wonderful, kind, loving, caring and other good things you can think of



My View on Homosexuality
I accepted lots of secular views back then, like legalizing homosexuality, abortion, fornication etc even though I didn't think deep into their advantages and disadvantages. I hated the idea of men touching men though, I just tolerated their freedom to do whatever they want (as long as they don't hurt anyone). I wanted to be considered "civilized" back then and avoid being part of "hateful christains"

There was a former president who made me to be a bit cautious. I wondered why he was so focused on homosexuality and trying to impose it on nations when there are other human rights abuses he should be more focused on too.
Now I think I know why they want lots of people to be homosexual. I was too naive and thoroughly decieved back them.
The Word of GOD is 100% true. Truely repent of your sins and get baptized to understand the gem the world is missing. Always believe while reading.

This is your most straightforward post ever as far as I'm concerned. I never knew you could communicate clearly like this . I used to think you have issue communicating clearly before

OkCornel:
Remind me again, apart from warspoils...what else did Abraham tithe?

Also, could you please expand more on this covenant Abraham had with God that requires believers to tithe today?

Firstly Abraham was the vessel God chose bring about salvation for man kind . And God entrusted Him with his oracle which he taught his family .

Genesis 18:19 (AMPC)
19 For I have known (chosen, acknowledged) him [as My own], so that he may teach and command his children and the sons of his house after him to keep the way of the Lord and to do what is just and righteous, so that the Lord may bring Abraham what He has promised him.

You can now know how Jacob his grandson got to know about tithing . That’s by the way .
We are the seed If Abraham . Abraham did not tithe under the law neither did he tithe to be justified . He is the father of faith “ who’s faith we follow” his life was by faith . So you see from the day of Abraham tithing has been instituted on the earth along with offering , worship , prayer in the worship of God .

Christians are Abraham seed

I'm also curious as to why we can't get one example of a non-Jewish believer that practiced this tithing in the early church?

Maybe you can dig into other historic materials like writings of Josephus etc

Do we have any records of Job (a non-Jew) tithing before he was blessed by God?

Let’s know your finding .

Kriss216:
Still their loss.

God bless America
God bless Donald Trump
God bless Obaseki



Shame on Ambode!

NAIRALAND!!!......

OkCornel:
Remind me again, apart from warspoils...what else did Abraham tithe?

Also, could you please expand more on this covenant Abraham had with God that requires believers to tithe today?

I'm also curious as to why we can't get one example of a non-Jewish believer that practiced this tithing in the early church?

Do we have any records of Job (a non-Jew) tithing before he was blessed by God?

It doesn’t matter . How many times did Abraham pray to God . All that matter is that prayer is a principle . They don’t have daily diary . Let’s deal with principle not pettty details.

OkCornel:
Did you miss out Deuteronomy 14 v 22 hmmm? Pay attention to the bolded part

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

I don’t know what you’re driving at. Except you’re not getting my point .let me make my stand clearer with scriptures .

Under the law there were 2 additional tithes a apart from the tithe to God . The 2 additional tithe did not take the place of God’s tithe . Look at the 3 structures below

TITHE TO THE LORD
Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto]the Lord


THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

TITHE FOR THE POOR
Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. This is just to clarify your misunderstanding of the Bible . We tithe base on Faith and covenant of God with Abrahamic Who is our father of faith

OkCornel:
When God laid out the law of mandatory tithing for the Jews, money existed yeah? why wasn't that asked for but agro-produce instead?

They were a nation of farmers so by default they bring of their produce in offering or tithe . However God still gave them the option to pay cash in place of unclean animals or perishables crops such as vegetables . They give money equivalent of such . The Bible calls it redemption

OkCornel:
Lol, so eating one's tithe is greed? Interesting

Deuteronomy 14 v 22 - 26;

You know what I’m talking about . The tithe to God is untouchable it is given as offering in Gods house . How ever God made allowance For them to have a feast with another 10% and to share another 10% with those in need . Now people want to eat 100% and quoting Deuteronomy to justify eating God’s tithe

Gombs:
if you said tithe was never money, was offering ever money? why ae your offerings money but tithes can't be?

Same thing I’ve been asking , you can’t preach offering , alms ,freewill and jettison tithe

Acehart:
Hi, where did God remind Jacob of his tithe?

Genesis 28:22
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Genesis 31:13
I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 35:1
And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.

What was Paul’s vow? Is it the temporary Nazarite vow, where he shaved his hair, for peace sake

It doesn’t matter . The point is that Making of vows Is a valid principle . “If I Can get married this year, I will buY bus for church “. Vow is vow It’s a principle .

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Why do you teach tithes but avoid the Nazarite doctrine; which is greater?

Every principle stands on its own merit . I’m not advocating one against the other

It’s also strange you avoided the scriptures that expressly discourages vows.

The scripture never discouraged vows . It discourages foolish vows . The issue about vows is to pay it .

God always demand the payment . He only says not Make vows you won’t keep .If you’re not going to honor a vow better not make the vow.

Deuteronomy 23:21 (KJV)
21 When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.

I am not writing to convince you, but a man who will follow God should know the whole counsel of God concerning every matter - this you have jettisoned.

It’s wrong accusation

If you are eager to give, God will accept your gift on the basis of what you have to give, not on what you don't have 2 Cor. 8:12

Do you know the principle behind the verse you quoted ? are you aware the Corinthians vowed ? They made a pledge to give and they did not fulfill it . Read it in context

Acehart:
I’m not built for arguments. You slight me by calling me a ‘tithe eater’.

No I wasn’t talking about you but the people you quoted . They are ready to change scriptures to suit the greed.They went as far as insulting Abraham tithe saying Abraham did not give tithe to God that it was just a tax to government And no spirituality about it . They forgot Jacob tithe to God .

You should provide a verse that shows Jacob paid the tithe to God. You should ask this too: “why did he build another altar? What happened to the first one? At the first instance, did God tell him to build the first altar and make a vow?”

It’s amazing when we ask funny questions like this . 30years have passed between his vow and when God reminded him . The fact that God reminded him of his tithe should have been enough . Either he built a new one or a used one should not be a case . What is altar na . Is it a building ? It’s just arrangement of stones .

When one vows, yes! He must pay to the Lord. Here is the hallmark of discouragement in the scriptures: When you make a vow to God, do not be late in paying it; for He takes no delight in fools. Pay what you vow! It is better that you should not vow than that you should vow and not pay

Yes that’s true . God was not against vows . He is against foolish vows

From Jacob’s experience to Jephtha’s to Solomon’s, we are discouraged from making vows because of our human nature.

Paul had a vow . Vows are demonstrations of faith. God honors vows

Kobojunkie:
Paul has no such authority to declare such in the first place

Do you believe in Paul as an apostle

Also the only eternal tithe was the one that God made a part of the Old Covenant. Since the Old Covenant was an everlasting Covenant with the people of Israel, that tithing is eternal.

In christ all are one . God promise to Abraham was not to Isreal . The seed of Abraham is christ . God didn’t use the word SEEDS But seed . Talking about christ he is also the seed of the woman .

Galatians 3:16 (NLT)
16 God gave the promises to Abraham and his child. And notice that the Scripture doesn’t say “to his children,” as if it meant many descendants. Rather, it says “to his child”—and that, of course, means Christ.

Kobojunkie:
My point is no man has the power to make such a claim where God Himself never promised the gentiles a place among His Israel. My point is, If It does not come out of God's own mouth, it is not God's TRUTH.

But I just showed you the scripture . So you’re sayings the epistles are not Gods word

Kobojunkie:
....

So what’s your point here

Kobojunkie:
That is a lie! Not according to what is written in Galatians 3 vs 12 -22.

What does it say

Look at 29. Christians are seed of Abraham

Galatians 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Kobojunkie:
However, the word Tithing, when used in the religious context, refers to the Tithing Laws that were defined as Part of the Old Covenant of God as defined in the Old testatment of the Bible. So, lets not now pretend we are not aware of this fact.
What some other religions? This is about Tithing as far as Christianity is concerned. We are not consulting Islamics and Zoroastrians for an opinion where Tithing is concerned.
Defined in the Old Covenant as a Covenant from a King(God) to His people(Israel). The Old Covenant was a sort of Constitution for the Nation of Israel... as God intended to be their King and they His People. But we know How the story went...

Christian are not seeds of Abrahams. Paul never said that Gentiles are suddenly seeds of Abraham. That was never God's promise to the Nations and Paul certainly has no authority to force adoption of all gentiles on Abraham.


First of all, Paul does not say in Galatians 3 vs 12-14 that Gentiles are made Abraham's seeds -- he does not say that at all. Paul says that because of Jesus Christ, Christians are not able to share in the same promise God made to Abraham...notice how this does not say that we, gentiles, are suddenly made children of Abraham?

Second bullsheet! The Law was not given to Abraham but to descendants of Jacob. Abraham is not a descendant of Jacob i.e. Abraham was not a Jew. Another way to look at it is this, if the Law is to apply to all children of Abraham, then it ought also to apply then, even more directly to the Ishmaelites and we know that ain't even happening at all.

Jacob's promise to give God 10% of what God gives him as an offering was fulfilled by Jacob so many years after God had blessed him.


More than 10 years had passed since he made the promise, Jacob returns to the place where he had made the promise to God, and then made an offering in the place. No mention of him actually paying the 10%. Again, this should not be confused with the Tithing Law that God set up for the Descendants of Jacob, His people to carry out in obedience of His commandment.

We know that Abraham paid 10%, once, after he was greeted by the King of Salem, Melchizedek who blessed him with wine and bread on his way back from war.
Then we know that Jacob promised God 10% of whatever it is that God blessed him with, and after many years, Jacob returned to build an altar to God, and was to pay 10% to God who had blessed him already with so much.
Do we notice a theme here? The blessings don't come AFTER the payment of the 10% in each case, but BEFORE.


Story story!

Christians are seed of Abraham In christ . Tithes and offerings are eternal principle . If you’re a seed of Abraham you should tithe

Romans 4:11-12
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

BackllGodNaija:


I can't say for sure what this dream means, but since it had to do with the "rapture", it may be a warning sign from heaven that the time is indeed that close, so do not say you weren't warned!

God bless Nigeria.

Jesus is coming for real. All the signs are being fulfilled this is a terminal generation . And one of the signs of terminal generation is evil works .


Matthew 24:37-38
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Acehart:
Years later, this altar designed and built by Jacob was destroyed and he ended up not paying the tithe

Wrong

Many people consider the prayer Jacob offered at this altar as deceptive and manipulative towards God

Yes Tithe eaters usually Don’t accept scriptures

Eventually, Jacob didn’t give any tithe.[/quote]He did God was even the one who reminded Jacob about the tithe and Jacob built Another altar

Genesis 31:13
I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 35:1
And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.

Genesis 35:6-7
6 So Jacob came to Luz, which is in the land of Canaan, that is, Bethel, he and all the people that were with him. 7 And he built there an altar, and called the place Elbethel: because there God appeared unto him, when he fled from the face of his brother.

The scriptures shows that the God discourages vows (like Jacob did). As Jacob matured, he stopped making this kind of prayer-promises.

Wrong! God actually loves vows. He wants us to vow and pay. What he frowns at is non compliance

Psalms 76:11
11 Vow, and pay unto the LORD your God:
let all that be round about him bring presents unto him that ought to be feared.

jmoore:
Tithe is for Judaism.

Christians don't pay tithe.

Compare the two scriptures beneath , that should give you your answer

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

God didn’t start tithing with Levite’s . He has ministers in every generation who represents him. Tithing started with Abrahamic covenant it was on till the days of Jacob . It only stopped when they went to Egypt and became slaves there. It’s one of the reason God called them out of Egypt to worship him . And when they got out of Egypt God instituted tithes and offering as way of worship . And Levite’s were chosen . Now Christ is our high priest in the order of Melchizedek .

jmoore:
Tithe is for Judaism.

We’re Abraham and Jacob In Judaism ?

Christians don't pay tithe.

We do . Did your Bible say otherwise ?

The only place you are likely to meet a levite is in Israel. No Nigerian pastor is a descendant of Levi.

did Abraham and Jacob pay to Levite ?

Malachi was actually talking to the priests not the congregation. God was telling the pastors, bishops that they themselves are robbing God.

Wrong . He was talking to a nation .

Malachi
1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. . . .


. He also rebuked the priests where necessary .

OkCornel:
Please can someone provide us with evidences of non-Jewish believers that practiced tithing in the early church?

Note: Tithe was never even money to start with!

Show us where the Bible says they should not