₦airaland Forum

funmisticqueen:
you JOHESUites should stop with this victim mentality, itwill be the end of you, we already know that there is trouble in the paradise that is JOHESU, and that the coalition of young nurses dont agree with everything you say, they abuse their superiors like touts also called the JOHESU chairman a fool. We also know they think they are the only relevant part of JOHESU. settle your internal issue first, before coming to compare yourselves with doctors

You don't even sound lettered but read this....

'Med lab scientists were the only ones paid call allowance from 1976 to 1981 which made MLS the most paid hospital staff. A post NYSC graduate in admin/accounts was paid N345 per month, medical doctor was N350, while a med lab scientist was N545 because of the call duty. (It was N10 per call to a maximum of 20 units payable only to MLS). Call for medical doctors was introduced sometime in 1983 and it was N12 per call. This raised the take home pay of fresh medical doctors to N590 per month. This was the situation until 1991 when Prof Olikoye Ransom Kuti introduced MSS salary structure which led to severe crisis in the health sector. Several court judgements in favour of the Unions/AMLSN including SSAUTHRAI have not been implemented.'

Copied..

Ronaldo knew about the plan all along.

Cristiano ronaldo knew about the plan all along.

Hmm..

Paperwhite:
JOHESU goes on strike & the hospital continues to function but should the Doctor do likewise then all come to a grand stop.
Moral-the patient is in the hospital primarily to see the Doctor.However both need each other for efficient service delivery
Pls let this egocentric fight stop.

Bloody lies... All hospitals are likevgrave yards as we speak. In UNTH, as we speak physicians are currently in their private clinics but go to the media to promote propaganda that 'physicians are working so hospital are working' while they all in their houses and private clinics fighting Johesu online.

funmisticqueen:
you dont get why NMA is pissed, do you? it is not the matter of the strike itself, afterall they have the right to strike. It is the fact that when doctors are striking, they dont drag JOHESU into their demands and negotiations, but when JOHESU is striking, they are busy comparing themselves with us. it is the greatest insult, and you guys expect NMA not to react?

Actually you dragged Johesu into your demands whenever you strike.
You sat with the minister of health and labor during your last strike action there and then determined how much Johesu should be paid without the input of any Johesu representative. How can you shave a man's head in his absence?

MrBigiman:
The biggest shame in Nigeria is poor political will, if we had reasonable leaders, Johesu leaders should be in jail now. Sadly, they persecute a visionary like NK, but pat medical terrorists like Biobelemoye on the back. Biobelemoye has caused the murder of over a thousand well meaning Nigerians and should rot in jail for the rest of his life.

Before you can touch any Johesu member, many greedy resident physicians will be members of kirikiri and Kuje. Physicians introduced strike into the health sector and have killed many patients starting from the military regime.

Your current minister of health also took part in the butchery as a leader of resident physicians. In saner climes it would have been scandalous to even consider him a nominee for a ministerial post.
You can't keep your right to strike but will not be allowed to deny others same.

Succint and apt.

phantom:
We are still on this NMA vs JOHESU thing years after! Na wa o! This country is cursed!
Let me just leave this here......there should be mutual respect for one another.
Anyone should be able to head the hospital with AN ADMINISTRATIVE DEGREE, johesu or nma.
Why? Because the hospitals should be run as a business...they should be self funding. Thats what you get in saner climes. Govt should divest itself, play a minimal role in funding but a major role in REGULATION.
As regards consultancy position for johesu,i have no issues with it BUT the NMA will not sit and let that happen by rising through the ranks as a civil servant.
The murses,pharmacists and lab TECHNOLOGISTS MUST be willing to attain extra post graduate training the way the doctors do in a particular area of their respective fields. Otherwise it will not be fair to a medical consultant to earn the same with a "consultant" radiographer who was promoted to that level because,lets not kid ourselves,thats the aim of JOHESU.
Lastly, JOHESU should know that we (doctors)CREATED them and we can EXSANGUINATE them.
If this rubbish "superiority" battle continues, all it takes is for the doctors WHO ACTUALLY TREAT the patients to REJECT any test result not ratified by a pathologist with his stamp or a radiology report by a radiologist(NOT RADIOGRAPHER BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE) and see these people respect themeselves and the boundaries.Some states are already adopting that pathologists and radiologists MUST have their stamps to ratify results. This will curb quackery. It means if you bring a test result or radiology report without a doctors stamp(pathologist or radiologist as the case may be), you will be refused treatment until the right thing is done.

God bless the nigerian health sector!
NB: the radiographer takes or acquires the images of the body....the radiologist is the doctor who looks at those imagesvand diagnoses what is wrong with the patient and refers to another doctor colleague to treat. Please in this patient flow, who should sit,close his mouth and be humble? Nigerians,you be the judge! Im out
PHANTOM

Stop kidding yourself. You can NEVER 'exsanguinate' any profession. They all distinct and independent as the court have previously affirmed. Have you ever heard of Consumer ordered test (COT) and Patient ordered tests (POT) as obtainable in advanced climes? If the Medical Scientists were actually entirely dependent on physicians they would have fizzled away by now as we all know how you have tried to no avail emasculate the profession.

The laboratory have survived majorly without you, with enlightened walk-in patients, pharmacists, nurses, physiotherapists and other health professionals requesting direct testing services.

Most of the successful laboratories I know have less than 17% of their tests requested by physicians. Afterall some of you greedy physicians run your fake 'side labs' in your clinics and hospitals employing lowly paid quacks and churning out ridiculous results like Widal tests with titre values of 1\45, 1/73 etc. Lol

There are more than 12,000 different medical laboratory tests and investigations with different methodologies, and principles most of you physicians know only mp, widal, urinalysis, FBC, culture, eucr and a few others. Less than 0.01% of the total available testing panels that could help patients investigate their ailments. The medical scientist is trained on them all.

Take a sit and stop hyperventilating about destroying other health professions. You have tried and failed. Give it up!

Continue the enlightenment. Truth must prevail.

MrBigiman:
Your ignorant is repulsive. In time past only physicians, lawyers and clergy had the title "Duceo", meaning to teach, however Germany started PHD being called Doctor and the cascade continues.

In the hospital however, the title Doctor is the exclusive rights of Medics. When a patient says I want to see a Doctor, he means a Medical Doctor. This law has been adopted in the US and UK. In California an excited nurse who just badged a PHD, came to attend to a patient and introduced herself as Doctor and the patient said she felt " embarrassed " and reported to authorities and other health workers were stopped from being addressed as Doctors in the hospital's.

If u are smart enough or have been to foreign climes, pharmacist wear a badge tagged PharmD, Nurses: Nurse, Lab tech/scientist: tech/ scientist, and medical doctors: Doctor. Why do u think they are badged that way smart man.

When I was in Medical School overzealous new optometrist just given D.O started wearing the badge Doctor. The CMD had to release a Memo ordering all optometrist to rebadge their wears to bear Optometrist instead.

There are noble fights and they are unethical fights. No one is stopping u from adding professor to ur title, but in the hospital calling everybody Doctor is simply



[quote author=MrBigiman post=67892824]Your ignorant is repulsive. In time past only physicians, lawyers and clergy had the title "Duceo", meaning to teach, however Germany started PHD being called Doctor and the cascade continues.

In the hospital however, the title Doctor is the exclusive rights of Medics. When a patient says I want to see a Doctor, he means a Medical Doctor. This law has been adopted in the US and UK. In California an excited nurse who just badged a PHD, came to attend to a patient and introduced herself as Doctor and the patient said she felt " embarrassed " and reported to authorities and other health workers were stopped from being addressed as Doctors in the hospital's.

If u are smart enough or have been to foreign climes, pharmacist wear a badge tagged PharmD, Nurses: Nurse, Lab tech/scientist: tech/ scientist, and medical doctors: Doctor. Why do u think they are badged that way smart man.

When I was in Medical School overzealous new optometrist just given D.O started wearing the badge Doctor. The CMD had to release a Memo ordering all optometrist to rebadge their wears to bear Optometrist instead.

There are noble fights and they are unethical fights. No one is stopping u from adding professor to ur title, but in the hospital calling everybody Doctor is simply an Ego trip. Sadly Dieticians are pushing to be called Doctors in Hospitals.

At least you agree that the title is not exclusive your preserve. Your exclusive title remains 'physicians'. You depend on the ignorance of people to polish your ego and run down other professionals

Stop the lies. In the US pharmD, DNPs, DMLS, DPTs working in US hospitals are not barred from using the title 'Dr' as long as they put their qualifications behind their names.

Eg Mike Clark MD
John peter PharmD
Lance Lee DMLS
Serah James DNP


These are not academic doctorates (PhD) as you tried to paint. They are professional doctorates just like MD. Even Pakistan, India and Ghana have all started these PharmD and Dmls programs.

Ofcourse what did expect from your CMD when he ordered the Doctor of Optometry not to wear a badge depicting his qualification if not bias as we have always seen in the health sector. Is it not the same health sector where everyone writes professional exams in hospitals but 95% of the promoted candidates are physicians while 97% of other health professionals (who are majority) do not get promoted.

Your political relevance will no longer be dependent on the ignorance of the average Nigerians.

You have not disputed that those professional doctorate don't exist in advanced climes.

Lmao! Na real zoo o. Chai!

sainty2k3:
Quackery !!!

It is not as long he does within the ambit of his profession. Physiotherapists are one of the 4 health professionals recognized as those who are licensed to 'treat' by the World health organization. The word 'therapy' in their name means 'treatment'. Take a back seat 'malaria dokita'.

worlexy:
it's obvious you didn't read my comment, you only rushed to make your own comment. Why will a doctor do your work when he won't be paid extra for doing your work. Let there be a law to that effect that when a doctor does the work of striking health workers, he will be paid additional bonus for it and you will see wonders

Oh... now you agree with Nigerians that the hospitals are not working against the 'Johesu is irrelevant' falsehoods and propaganda that you physicians have promoted here since the strike action started?

I even think the JOHESU leadership are not as vibrant as they should be. Much more vibrant, cerebral and younger professionals like you climbing up the ladder very fast and when we reach the decision-making echelon of JOHESU I doubt the negative anti-JOHESU forces will be able to cope.

Johesu have suffered terribly as nigerians remained in the dark about the goings-on in the health sector for decades. Now light has come and there is no where to go but up.

MrBigiman:
Stop lying to the public, you are not a Doctor. The way Johesu members claim Doctor is shameful and pathetic.

Your exclusive title is 'physician'. The word 'doctor' was derived from a Latin word 'docere' which mean to teach, NOT TO TREAT. You adopted it from philosophers and teachers of the old. You don't own an exclusive right to that title.

Any professional with the proper qualification has the right to be called 'doctor' within the ambit of his profession as it's done in advanced clime.
In advanced climes.
There are doctors of law (Juris.D)
There doctors of nursing practice (DNP)
There are doctors of pharmacy (Pharm.D)
There are doctors of clinical laboratory science (DCLS).
There are doctors of physiotherapy (D.PT)
There are doctors of Naturopathy (NMD
There are doctors of holistic health (HMD)

These are all professional doctorate.

When your colleagues run to those advanced countries seeking greener pastures, your colleagues address them as 'doctors' while struggling to pass USMLE and Plab.

Your exclusive title is 'physician' you don't own the title 'doctor'.

Every Nigerian is not ignorant. Those of us who are not ignorant will shine the light for those who are.

addey44:
Non-physicians have been heading health ministries since time immemorial. Is that, however, what we are talking about here? Why not address the proper issues.

Holistically they are all part of the issues. Your federal minister of health and minister of state for health are both physicians. It's an aberration in saner climes.

worlexy:
I just laugh when JOHESU spread the lies that Doctors can't work without them, that is the greatest lie from the pit of hell. A doctor was trained to be able to do all the works paramedics(JOHESU) does, it's JOHESU that can't do most of what a doctor can do. Now let's not confuse "can" with "won't". The fact that a doctor can work and make the hospital to work at 100% capacity doesn't mean he will do it, if you want doctors to make the hospital work at 100% anytime johesu is on strike, all the FG needs to do is to say for that particular Hospital, all the doctors will be paid for their normal doctor works and will also be paid the for the JOHESU work they will do while the strike lasts(if JOHESU salary in that hospital is N5m, just tell the doctors that since johesu are not working, that 5m will be shared on the doctors salaries while the strike lasts, then you will see that the doctors will do all the works) They won't do it with this present set up because it doesn't make sense to do someone else's work and the person that hasn't worked will still get paid for doing nothing and the person that has done extra work won't get anything extra.
Also when the doctors start doing all the work, majority of those that will come and benefit from that service are still the striking johesu members because like they say everytime that they make up 95% of the hospital workforce.
Now let's analyse the work johesu do in the hospital

1. Pharmacists
The pharmacist in our hospitals only read what a doctor prescribes and dispense the drugs, no more no less.
Pharmacists that work in pharmaceutical companies(they are not under johesu because they don't work in the hospital) are the ones that produce drugs and some medical consumables.

2. Nurses
They give injections, and other medications to patients, do vital signs some of them take deliveries.

Doctors can do all that

3. Lab scientists and technicians
They run tests on blood, urine and other samples sent to them by doctors

There are doctors in the Lab that can also run all the tests but johesu would have locked up the lab so that doctors don't have access to the lab

4. Radiographers
They shoot X-ray, CT scan, MRI and doctors in the radiology dept are the ones that report the film the radiographers shoot.

Doctors can shoot too


So have you seen why they always lock up everywhere when they go on strike?

Mr man stop deceiving yourself. If the physicians can do all jobs of other medical professionals you lots won't be running all over the place blackmailing them with lies in a futile bid to get them back to work. If you can do their jobs, the hospitals will be working at full capacity despite your propaganda to frustrate JOHESU by claiming 'doctors are working..so hospitals are working' while the physicians are all actually in their private clinics and public hospitals are like graveyards from oauth, to nauth to luth to uduth.

Tell more lies. We'll counter with more truths.

freeDR:
It is unfortunate that an illegal gathering of purposelessly disgruntled health workers are the ones holding the entire health sector in ransom. Quite sad.
The kind of things you see in an emerging economy where the govt is the largest employer of labour.
The only practicable solution is for the government to conceed the running of all public hospitals to Public-Private Partnership arrangement.
Allow private employers of labour to determine who is important in the hospital. Let private employers also determine who earns more.
Aberrations like JOHESU are the hallmarks of a failed state. Nigeria needs a change in structure.

NMA is the illegal body. It is not a registered trade union. JOHESU won't be stampeded into ending the strike until issue are finalized. They are making progress and non-physicians will soon start heading health ministries. Even kwara have appointed one few days ago.
Nigerians will continue to be enlightened.

kaorama:
They better do and call off the strike before they are given 'channels television treatment'.

We all know how biased the channel TV guys were during their interview with JOHESU, I smelt a rat when Ajuri ngelale kept mentioning that 'lab technicians' want to be consultants when we all know that the laboratory professionals who are aspiring for that by virtue of their training and practice are Medical laboratory Scientists who spend 5 +1+1 years in school to obtain BMLS degree and are rightfully and constitutionally known as SCIENTIST in MLSCN Act 11 of 2003. How many years did ignorant Ajuri Ngale spend in his school? And does another group of professional determine what he and his colleagues earn?

Even when the JOhesu president brought out papers and fact to disprove the parity claim they kept skewing the narrative digging their heads in sands like ostriches.

Channels TV were sponsored against JOHESU. TVC, Silverbird, core TV etc have all been balanced in their reportage of issues on ground so far.

This is a consultant biomedical scientist in UK.

It's nonsensical to install CCTV camera in a private restroom.

Good people of kano have spoken.

Seriously I don't know what to say.

There is hope for common sense after all. More power to JOHESU.

I think JOHESU should invest a lot in media and information consultancy to sustain the current enlightenment of Nigerians as regards the current goings-on in the health sector. The media tempo must be sustained even after all contentious issues are resolved with the FG lest we drift back to the dark era.

I'm an intelligent Medical Scientist who loves the prestige of being a medical laboratorian and I stand with common sense and progress.

Lalasticlala 'la front la page'

See what Nigerians are saying.

Funny enough Bet9ja and nairabet are Yoruba-owned. The same Yoruba's who insult Easterner when they are told that the country must be divided so that hausa-fulani can live in their sharia caves without dragging the south backward.

Igbo na aku n'uba

Hairyrapunzel:
Is that the reason you chose being a quack doctor?

Your question sounds like you have 3 (XXY) chromosomes instead of the usual 2 (XY). Are you trisomically challenged?

docadams:
Two characteristics of a JEHUSITES
1. Inferiority complex making them to throw insult,tantrums upandan. Only means of debate is to Insult doctors whom they want parity with.
2. Always wandering in thoughts. They can't put their points across without showing signs of mental fatigue.

Do not begrudge me, I simply assessed you and called a spade a spade. I sympathize with your dyslexia since you are not mentally competent enough decipher the difference between 'present salary' and 'proposed salary' in your quest to promote a preconceived notion of those you think are your transgressors in health sector.

Nigerians are wiser and now more educated to know the value of every professional in the health sector. It means your frustration just began as your age-long anti-Johesu propaganda haemorrhages badly.

My sympathies really.

Hairyrapunzel:
Johesu is fighting for equal pay with doctors but are hiding under the guise of fighting for efficient and effective health sector. They want good health sector yet they pose as medical doctors in Nigeria doing what's not their job.
That's how one pharmacist said they can prescribe drugs using kalo or trial and error because they are medical doctors who don't perform surgeries. You guys are the reason Nigeria ranks low in healthcare delivery and the reason is that you claim to see patients yet you don't know jack about diseases.
Do your job the right way and see if Nigeria will not rank high in healthcare delivery. Johesu make up the quacks doctors in Nigeria. Even cleaner dey claim doctor. Be killing Nigerians everyday.

There is no single group of people who have promoted quackery in the health sector than the physicians. These guys turn their failing hospitals and clinics to fake 'training centres', collecting fees and training fake auxillary nurses, quack lab assistants etc. and even giving them certificates. These quacks then invade the health sector with their quackery, unleashing mayhem on the health of hapless, unsuspecting Nigerians.

We will continue to expose you. You are not talking to mor0ns like yourself.

NickyT039:
If they can do it, y r all the hospital wards empty. Nigerians shouldn't feel the impact of the strike if doctors are capable of managing the hospital alone

You dey mind the numbskulls?

The most important thing is that is JOHESU won't end this strike without anything tangible. Things cannot be worse than it already is and there is no where to go but up for JOHESU.

Till that 'minister of physicians' comes to his senses hospitals will remain closed.

docadams:
It would also have been more productive for you to find out how a Jehusite came t o be earning N697,02442 at CONHESS 15, a salary level far above that of a Director-General on GL 17 in mainstream civil service. This was made possible because you are attached to doctors.You lots are a bunch of ingrates. Likemany people have posited, all manpower should be outsourced, let's see if your CONHESS 15will earn up to N300,000.

You sound a like bumbling buffoon. You are just an empty 'malaria doctor' that's why you couldn't decipher that the N697,02442 is the 'Proposed' CONHESS 15 salary that your minister of physicians have refused to sign even after agreement.

Finally, Johesu professionals don't earn what they earn because they are 'attached' to you Dr malaria, they earn their keep because it is health sector (their sector) and you are clearly useless without them as they have shown.

Gambari sponsored Middle belt group.