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Deha: Messi all the way too!

JMAN05: You see azonto don start. read col. 1:15

JMAN05: Through creation. Jesus was created. cleared?

macof: every religion is way of life dumb fool.
I am yoruba, I live like a yoruba
Christians means- followers of christ. those who believe in Jesus are called christians, So when u live according to the teaches and ways of jesus u are a christian. However going by ur definition, Christianity is best called Paulinity

So paul and peter arent the founding fathers of Christianity? Who was the first person to preach that Jesus was the son of God, and everyone should believe? who were the ones that led the other apostles in missionary? who was the person that brought christianity to Rome?

u have no basis to call my post a lie.

macof: u all are living in a lie and when u see people showing u the truth u call it a lie.

prove that what I posted is a lie.

u cant do dat.
foolish slaves

macof: peter and paul arent the founding fathers of christianity?

Syncan: Well then, since I am dealing with a proud liar, why will I continue to show you what you will not acknowledge, what guarantee is there that you will not continue to edit your post as I tear it up, bit by bit? If you modified it, how did i notice? If You edited it before I wrote? Where did you note it? Also note that that my post was based on the first accuser, and he actually quoted your post, exposing your editing lies. If it was a mistake my friend, you will be humbler in admitting it. Thanks.

Mcleo007: Errrmmmm, Lewa is a great player. Young and technical but i don't see how he will get a go within this Barca mould. The team is balanced already! In my opinion, he is not needed in the team for so many reasons. Just so many! One of such reasons, just as someone noted earlier is that, his introduction would unsettle the team. Adding to that, he appears to me an Ibra kind of player, the traditional No. 9 of which the last we witnessed was E'too of the pre-Pep era, whereby the CF is made the recipient of the final ball. From Pep till now, the team's play has been to de-emphasize the attack while building from the back to stage up a rhythmic patch, that which is the fullness of the tiki-taka. We all know how terrific the tiki-taka has been nurtured to be.

Now, I agree to what most observers here have noted about Tata trying to tweak the system to make us less predictive and triumphant in the big games, but i don't see Lewa capable of doing the rescue. If we are to go by this common judgement then, what suits us would a 'Larson' kind of player- an experienced CF who would be comfortable contributing from the bench. Players like Trezeguet (dude is still banging in the goals in Argentina), Klose and even Cardozo will do just fine. Neymar was the missing piece last season(the presence of a rising star to awaken the sleeping dudes,and get them up their slumber- Alexis, Cesx). With him, the team has a new but familiar pattern of play(positional switch of roles while staying faithful to possession football adding up to swift counter-attack). As such, over reliance on Messi is gradually becoming a thing of the past, as other players have greased their boot to take up scoring and producing match winning performances like its a big deal.

sapien: If Barca eventually get to sign a striker like Lewandowski in January to complement our attack, the formation should go thus, especially in big matches:
Valdes
Alves- Pique- Mascherano- Alba/Adriano
Busquets- Xavi/Iniesta

Messi

Alexis- Lewandowski- Neymar jr

Messi should be able to play the playmaking role like he does in the albiceleste national team behind Higuian/Aguero.

Since Xavi isn't getting any younger and becoming prone to sluggishness, he should be able to assist Busquets in the double pivot role. Iniesta may even start in a case where fluidity is needed in the final third.
This formation would make Messi less susceptible to the overcrowding he always undergoes in the final third against ultra-defensive sides like Chelsea. He would be able to release quick passes to Neymar jr and Lewandowski on the break to wreck havoc, since Barca is evolving from the traditional tiki-taka to a more direct and counter attacking approach under Tata.

AJ, JP, DMC, Dippset, Phil, Logica, Mcle007 etc what do you guys think about this formation?

JMAN05: Should I also start to teach you english? your question:

Doesn't it bring up the Question as to How Jesus came to be?How Jesus was created or concieved and who concieved Jesus in Heaven?

And I said:

So hilarious when you misunderstand the term Father with reference to God. God beget people through creation, unless a spiritual meaning of the word. eg born again, and psalms 2:7.

The red was the answer maaaaan. the "unless" is showing that the word can have another meaning.

You like pride that continuous to fail you. bring yourself low my dear.

macof: Christianity was first practiced by the apostles of yeshua.
They believed he was the Messiah of the Jews, even tho all other Jews didn't believe,
besides yeshua was dead already,
he couldn't have been the Messiah, yeshua didn't fulfill the prophecy.
When the Jews at the time were against the apostles for being Christians, claiming it was blasphemy.

The Jews contracted Paul who later claimed to convert to christianity.
No one knows why Paul converted but it's clear that his conversion was the biggest advantage for christianity.

Paul never knew yeshua, but he knew most of the apostles(became an apostles himself). Paul was a different kind of apostle.
1. He was half Roman, half Jew
2. He had multiple religions; Mithraism and judaism(later christianity)
3. He was more intelligent and educated than all the other apostles
4. He enjoyed lots of immunity
5. He was the one to initiate the conversion of non-Jews into christianity(at first christianity wasn't suppose to be outside Jewish territory)
6. He got into many arguments with the other apostles, especially Simon Peter.
7. He wrote about 60% of the New testament.
8. He was never baptized
9. He always referred to yeshua as his personal God and savior
10. He wrote to convince that yeshua was not only for the Jews but also for the gentiles(this was not the original plan)
11. He and Peter were the founding fathers of christianity in Rome.

1. Constatine became the first Christian emperor of Rome.
2. He was a political leader, who just had half his power relieved from his office, and had to fight his way up to re-acquire it(at that time, Rome had been controlled by a civil office and military office)
3. He funded Christians, built the first churches, stopped prosecution.
4. He created his own Bible
5. He made christianity part of Roman law
6. He re-acquired both civil and military leadership.
7. He made Christians part of his inner circle
8. He set up the catholic and orthodox churches.
9. He put huge taxes on non-Christians, and had his army preach in the name of Yeshua as they killed those who didn't believe them.
10. He wasn't baptized until he was about to die.


The Romans who had newly become Christians, still devoted to their pagan gods continued to honor them. The temples of their gods were not destroyed but turned into churches.

The Romans have been modifying religions and undergoing conversions for hundreds of years before christianity.
From Greek paganism, to Kemetism, to Mithraism to catholism.

If you check out the similarities between these religions you would be shocked to what you would find.

Catholism was only created for political purposes, the rituals and ceremony which the Romans did in previous religions were carried into catholism.

Historians and religious scholars accuse them of editing the NT.

macof: so what are the lies?

macof: No lies.
You are just blinded to see the light of the truth. Paganism doesnt advocate lies, Abrahamics do

macof: Christianity was first practiced by the apostles of yeshua.
They believed he was the Messiah of the Jews, even tho all other Jews didn't believe,
besides yeshua was dead already,
he couldn't have been the Messiah, yeshua didn't fulfill the prophecy.
When the Jews at the time were against the apostles for being Christians, claiming it was blasphemy.

The Jews contracted Paul who later claimed to convert to christianity.
No one knows why Paul converted but it's clear that his conversion was the biggest advantage for christianity.

Paul never knew yeshua, but he knew most of the apostles(became an apostles himself). Paul was a different kind of apostle.
1. He was half Roman, half Jew
2. He had multiple religions; Mithraism and judaism(later christianity)
3. He was more intelligent and educated than all the other apostles
4. He enjoyed lots of immunity
5. He was the one to initiate the conversion of non-Jews into christianity(at first christianity wasn't suppose to be outside Jewish territory)
6. He got into many arguments with the other apostles, especially Simon Peter.
7. He wrote about 60% of the New testament.
8. He was never baptized
9. He always referred to yeshua as his personal God and savior
10. He wrote to convince that yeshua was not only for the Jews but also for the gentiles(this was not the original plan)
11. He and Peter were the founding fathers of christianity in Rome.

1. Constatine became the first Christian emperor of Rome.
2. He was a political leader, who just had half his power relieved from his office, and had to fight his way up to re-acquire it(at that time, Rome had been controlled by a civil office and military office)
3. He funded Christians, built the first churches, stopped prosecution.
4. He created his own Bible
5. He made christianity part of Roman law
6. He re-acquired both civil and military leadership.
7. He made Christians part of his inner circle
8. He set up the catholic and orthodox churches.
9. He put huge taxes on non-Christians, and had his army preach in the name of Yeshua as they killed those who didn't believe them.
10. He wasn't baptized until he was about to die.


The Romans who had newly become Christians, still devoted to their pagan gods continued to honor them. The temples of their gods were not destroyed but turned into churches.

The Romans have been modifying religions and undergoing conversions for hundreds of years before christianity.
From Greek paganism, to Kemetism, to Mithraism to catholism.

If you check out the similarities between these religions you would be shocked to what you would find.

Catholism was only created for political purposes, the rituals and ceremony which the Romans did in previous religions were carried into catholism.

Historians and religious scholars accuse them of editing the NT.

Ibyno: There was no tree or fruit in that garden, what they serpent did. Was that he make love (sex) with eve, that's was why god course on eve have to do with pregnancy labour, and the result was cain, met a prophetic teacher to lecture you more ,

Incrizz: Then, I must apologize. I never called Catholics that. But I realize now commenting under a topic with such a title must mean I support the assertion. I don't.

Dap07: if u boil a stone with the right ingredients, it might just melt...who knows??

Incrizz: There was a debate on this issue and there is a write-up I read somewhere that intelligibly helps to express my take on this seeming "error" as some have put it.
Here's is my answer in this write-up:

Claimed Error: In Exodus 20:4, we see the widely known prohibition in the Ten Commandments to make no graven image, yet in Exodus 25:18, God commands Moses to prepare two golden cherubim (i.e. graven images) to sit atop the Ark of the covenant.

The very simple answer to this "contradiction" is merely to point out that the critic apparently has not bothered to read Exodus 20:4 in context.

Quite clearly, the very next verse (v.5) provides the stipulated purpose for the prohibition on graven images - which is that they are not to be bowed down to and worshipped.

This commandment prohibits idols and other artefacts to which man might be tempted to ascribe the glory and place of God. This commandment does not prohibit the making of all statuary or other artistic representations of men, animals, etc. It merely forbids the use of visual images for worship or as aids in worship - to help one "imagine" God or through which the attention of worship might be directed.

Worshippers of God are to know that His children walk by faith, and not by sight. It is demeaning to the worship of God to create an image and then use it as a visual representation of God or as a way of "reaching" God.

Thus, all idols are forbidden, as would things like crucifices, statues of Mary or the saints, and even artistic pictures of Jesus (if the picture is being used as an aid in worship).

Any graven image which is made to be bowed down to or is used to help one envision or pray to God is covered in this commandment.

However, "graven images" in the more general sense of artistic adornment and what not are quite clearly not covered in the stipulating addendum of verse 5.

This is why the 2nd commandment is not then in contradiction with Exodus 25:18. The cherubim on the ark of the covenant were not produced for the purpose of serving as a worship aid to Israel.

There was no intention for them to be bowed down to or used as a channel for envisioning or reaching God. Their purpose was didactic (to teach God's holiness as they symbolically guarded the mercy seat) and artistic.

Indeed, other than on very exceptional occasions early in Israel's history (such as when the Ark was brought out to go before an army, etc.), the Ark was hidden from view in the Tabernacle, and then later in the Temple.

In the Temple, only the High Priest could enter into the Holiest of Holies where the Ark was located, and then only once a year to make atonement for the nation. Hence, it would not have even been available most of the time to serve as a worship aid, even if the people had desired to use it for such.

Indeed, the Bible does record an instance where a graven artefact which had originally been produced for a non-worship purpose began to be revered and worshipped, and was thus destroyed as an idol.

This would be the brazen serpent produced by Moses in Numbers 21:8-9.

The Bible records in II Kings 18:4, the children of Israel had begun to burn incense to the brazen serpent (apparently preserved as a treasured national artifact), thus going beyond merely acknowledging its place in their history and into an act of outright worship of the image.

Because of this, King Hezekiah broke the image into pieces during his campaign to rid Judah of idolatry. This shows, then, the dichotomy which exists Scripturally between mere artistic, graven works, and those works which are used as aids in worship or even as replacements for God in worship. The brazen serpent was perfectly fine until it began to be misused as an object of worship, and then it became an idol to be destroyed

Dap07: tell me something, aside a poem..

Dap07: i guess u were in a hurry when u posted this. At d bolded, doesn't that statement question his omnipotence?
a plan B, lmfao, meaning he knew man will fall, right? Which begs d question, why did he make the tree accessible to them at first? Was God and Devil involved in sort of a game, with man being d ultimate prize?
I dont think God is good..