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JMAN05: He doesnt want people to know? I dont think the bible supports this claim.

You are totally 101% wrong bro...The bible supports the Claim Totally..Read the bible before saying what you dont Know About!!
Mathew16:20 "Then He strictly charged the disciples to tell noone that he was the Christ"
....So,is Jesus not hiding his identity then when He made that statement? Open ur mind bro!!

macof: see hypocrite u better shuttup whether christian or muslim u are all the same brainwashed, fools believing mohammed or moses or paul doesn't matter u are all believing foreigners over your fathers. You are insulting a muslim as if u are any better than him

Bro,am Believing Jesus Christ,not foreigners!!
By the way,you are supposed to be telling me about the other views,instead of picking on rants to quarrel With!!
Are you a bat? Which side are you on?

Johnpaul88: Official: Jordi Alba, who was
recovering from a thigh injury,
suffered a new thigh injury on
training today and is out for
another 6 weeks

So bad for him! We were all expecting him to be back after ds international break but we won't even have in another one month.

We'll now pray that Adriano stays fit to continue to provide cover until he returns. Montoya will also feature there much more now than in his prefered right back.

Bad news!

ubl6: YHWY is not the Hebrew name of God. It is just the English TRANSLITERATION of the Hebrew letters ‎(יהוה‎). Now, who said that?

“The Hebrew letters are (right to left) Yodh, He, Waw and He (יהוה). It is written as YHWH, YHVH, or JHVH in ENGLISH, depending on the transliteration convention that is used. YHWH is an archaic third person singular imperfect of the verb "to be" (meaning, therefore, "He is". This interpretation agrees with the meaning of the name given in Exodus 3:14 where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person ("I am". (יהוה). It is written as (יהוה). ”
Source:— http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism

You do not even know YHWY is not the actual Hebrew word but just its English transliteration, yet you call me blind? Who is the blind one here? You keep exposing your ignorance of your own religion which you think is the only way to salvation. This is quite unfortunate. May God open your heart to see the light and understand that you have been brainwashed to think the worst of your Creator by associating partners to Him. Trinitarians are polytheists..! They worship 3 Gods not ‘three in one’ God. There can never be ‘three in one’ God but only One God. I'm getting tired with your silly and ignorant arguments. You asked me to explain how Jesus become the begotten son of God even though i do not believe in it. How can that be? This is my concept of God:
Surah 112:1-4
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1.Say: He is God, the One and Only;
2.God, the Eternal, Absolute;
3.He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4.And there is none like unto Him.
I'm getting tired of your weak and boring responses. Therefore i decided to quit this discourse but i will come back to continue if you answer my last question. But if you cannot answer my question AND YOU CAN NEVER DO IT. Then just accept that you and your trinitarian pagan beliefs have been thoroughly refuted.
*.. Where in the Bible was the word ‘Trinity’ mentioned?
Goodbye.

You are very lame to have asked me that question!!
And is good to know that you are not a Christian,you are a Moslem!!
I dont do your Muslim and Islamic crappy bigots!!
Infact,if i had known earlier,i would not have replied you...
Not that i condemn your Religion,but know That Pagans are better than you people....A pagan will be easy to convert,unlike you people,brainwashed to buy into that Mohammed crap!!
I pity you,cuz unless u believe in Jesus Christ,no salvation for u...But here is the good thing,you still have time to come to ur Lord God!!
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I hate going Philosophical about God,but dont drive me to that point bro...

ubl6: No. God was not confused about His personality but you Trinitarians are! Had God used plural pronouns for Himself throughout the Bible, your claim may seem to be valid. It is amazing you don't even know that in the original Hebrew they have 2 kind of pronouns. Why didn't Jews say God is a Trinity? Do you know their language better than them? God did use singular pronouns also in other verses like (Genesis 1:27), which reads; "And God created man in HIS own image". And Jesus himself also referred to the Creator with a singular pronoun; "And he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, `Have you not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female." (Matthew 19:4) ‘HIS’ in Gen.1:27 and ‘HE’ in Mat.19:4 are both singular pronouns. Aren't they? If Jesus was part of ‘US’ who did the creation, why didn't he use ‘WE’ to include himself but he used ‘HE’ to refer to the Father alone? Why are you only interested in the plural pronouns and ignore the singular ones Why didnt Jesus clearly proclaim in the Bible that he is God Almighty? Or that he along with the father and the spirit created man in their image? Was Jesus afraid the Jewish people might harm him if he tell them “I AM GOD!”? What kind of God was he who is afraid of his ‘own creations’ Consider the following passage of John 8:
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58 Jesus said to them “Most assurely, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.
59 Then they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple...”
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What?? God Almighty HID? Do you guys worship a coward god who is afraid of ‘his own’ creation? LOL. Or was he deceiving them so that they could not know he was their God? Why would he do that? Again you said that, the ‘I AM’ are in capital letters- therefore Jesus is God? Some of you seems to think like the ‘original’ Bible was written in English. For your information, this was only the work of your English translators. In Hebrew, Greek and Arabic there is nothing like capital letters and small letters unlike western languages such as English. The English translators have played fast and loose when translating the Bible in their desperate attempts to present Jesus as God. This is not just a speculation, let me give you examples.
(a) “In whom the god (the Devil) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not” 2 Cor 4:4
(b) “And the Lord said unto Moses, See I have made thee a god to Pharaoh...” Exd7:1 in both of these verses the translators used small g, ‘god’ to refer to Devil and Moses but they used capital G and W, ‘God’, ‘Word’ to refer to Jesus in John1:1 — ‘and the Word was God.’ But in the original language there is no difference between capital G and small g, the same word was used for both God and god in all the three places. So why do they used capital letters even in pronouns when refering to Jesus and use small letters when refering to others? This is because they believe Jesus is God that is why they carelessly twist the scriptures to portray their irrational claims! The translators do not only use capitalization, in some instances they even distort a passage to conform with their preconceived notions. Here is an example. Compare the following passages from KJV and NIV:
Matthew 19:16-17
King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:16-17
New International Version (NIV)
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?”Jesus replied.“There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” Obviously the NIV translators (and other modern versions) felt that Jesus was denying to be God by asking ‘Why callest thou me good?’ and then saying ‘there is none good but one, that is, God:’ so they had to reconstruct the whole statement to ‘Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied.“There is only One who is good.’ Many examples can be given. It is interesting comparing different versions of Bible to see how christians deliberately play with their ‘words of God’.

You are just writing offpoint bro...
Capital this,small this...So,believing about ur smal letter theory in hebrew writing, you want to tell me that God Almighty,YHWH is written in small letter too? The thing is,u are just blind....Even the Jews revere God's name,They are even afraid to call Gods name cuz they know they are unworthy to Call such a Holy name,yet u are here tellin me about all hebrew words written in small letters!!
Do u knw Hebrew? Do u knw it more than those that interpreted it? ....bro eh,u r just runing around,repeating wot u already said...
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macof: Do u believe that U existed before you were born? Do u also believe that you are probably as old or older than your grandfather? well am sure u wont understand, these are things I have learnt from my Religion.

this thread is about Christianity and their views of God.
If you want to discuss OLODUMARE u can open a thread and invite me, I'll be glad to contribute

If those forms part of your belief,then i can authoritatively tell you that Your beliefs are Kiddies Show,quote me anywhere!....
Someone must have forgotten his Biology lessons lol!!

macof: so that statement makes him God? that statement simply means that before Abraham existed he existed, not that he is "I AM". that statement in no way relates him to the "I AM THAT I AM" statement in Exodus

Bro,if at all you understand English language,you will know that the right English there should have been "I can asuredly tell you That before Abraham,i Was or I have Been",not "I AM"...
I am is always in the Present,not Past Tense bro,Thats why in Exodus,"I AM WHO I AM" was used too....stop reading the Bible like a robot bro...

2ndly,you are supposed to be showing/telling me "the other views" that are better..Dont see u doing 'em! Whats wrong?

ubl6: Why did you ask me these questions Did i even tell you i believe Jesus is “begotten son” of God The burden of proof is on you to answer these same questions, since you believe all these claims are true which i don't! Kindly tell us how this mystery happened.
Answer your own questions yourself:

Why wont i ask you? You seem to be the all knowing,widely read and versed Bible scholar...
Well,whether you want to believe it or not,thats ur own Poo to take!! At least its undisputable throughout the Bible.. Bits by bits,u are exposing what u trully are...

Again let me add a few other questions to you on this issue of Jesus being “the only begotten son of the father”. Pls answer me now. I don't like the way you skipped important questions/points which i raised earlier, like that the ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’ was invented by church after Jesus Christ left the world etc. Here are more questions for you:
*.. If the Father and His Son were both in "existence" from the beginning, and no one was, a micro second before or after, and, no one was "greater or lesser" in status, then why is one called the Father and the other His begotten Son?

Most dumb question ever!! Yet u read the Bible!

*.. Did the act of "Begetting" take place?
*.If YES, where was the "Begotten Son" before the act?
*.. If NO, why call him the "Begotten Son"?

I asked you a Question,and you are here asking me same question!
Okay,since God is the Father,so where is His Wife? Its certain somebody cant answer a father without Children!
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2ndly,Where has God being since before He created The Heavens and the Earth? Or is that place not okay for Him that Made Him run away from there and decide to create His own abode?
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Thirdly,Why would God be labouring to make Jesus the eternal King when We all know God cant Die? Or cant He rule? The last time i checked,a son can only be King in his father's demise....
Do i still go on?

fijiano202: I tire for these nigerians with their stupiid english.Pls when did TV SHOWS turn into Movies,under tv shows we have alot of genre like drama,comedy,horror etc and Secondly stop posting rubbiish try to confirm if the shows are on or canceled before u post here,most of the shows people call canceled are still on e.g Arrow,pretty little liars,Nikita etc

You are Wack dude!! ITk!

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]That wasn't a boast he said it with all serious that when god dies he would reap god since all living thing must die.
Speaking of cameos I want the trickster/gabriel back too, that bottle episode with the pagan gods in a hotel has to be among the best supernatural episodes ever.reminds me of American gods[/quote]Same here bro...My best episodes are the ones leading up to the Release of Lucifer,and then,The Episode that Lucifer killed those gods...Though i hate it that Gabriel was so stupid to have died for a C.u.n.t!!

JMAN05: Capitalization is the concept of the translator, not the original.

Jesus is God but not almighty God.

But to understand you. what is your definition of trinity?

Are you saying that Jesus was Godman, ie he was still God almighty while on earth?

Yap,just that He wasnt and didnt Want People seeing Him as such...
An example is during the Transfiguration,When He manifested his Glory in front of His 3 disciples!!

ubl6: Jesus also said; "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24, K.J.V.). But none of these mean Jesus was claiming to God. Even if Jesus alluded to the Father's name when he said "I AM" does that make him the Father? It still doesnt make him the father. because that will atleast contradict the same trinity doctrine you are defending. Remember in trinity, the father is not the son, the son is not the holy spirit and the holy spirit is not the father etc,
Again Jesus said; "...I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." (John 8:28). God of Moses that claimed "I AM THAT I AM" had no instructor or tutor, and, needed no tutoring. If God had an instructor or an educator, then what would you call that entity? God's mentor or boss??
If you understood Jesus' statement above as that he existed before Abraham therefore he is God. This is wrong. it is still not a proof that Jesus is God, because Angels have existed even before Adam but they are still not God(s). When Jews were doubtful about the identity of a particular blind beggar who had been healed by Jesus, the blind beggar - who was no more blind, kept saying; "I am he" (John 9:9, K.J.V.). Does that make the blind beggar, God? Further more, the beggar when questioned about Jesus who had healed him, replied to Jews; "And he said, "He is a prophet." (John 9:17). So you see, the Jews were waiting for a messiah (who is a prophet) not God Almighty himself.
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@OP, Pls bear with me sir, i didn't run away o. I'm using phone, yesterday i had problem with the ba3. But i will complete everything today. Pls wait 4 me 2 finish b4 u reply.tnx

The "I AM" claim by Jesus was written in Capital letters,not in small letters like the one you quoted above,so i dont know Why that is difficult to understand by You!!
And remember he said,"I can Assuredly tell You,that Before Abraham 'I AM'".....Its dificult for u to believe cuz u dont want to believe that Jesus is God...Yet,He said it Himself...All the bible translations said same thing,so keep avoiding the truth.....

ubl6: . . .All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:18
I can on mine OWN SELF do nothing . . .John5:30
this means that he could not do anything (including forgiving sins of course) except if the Father give him the power to do so. So its possible God gave him the power to forgive sins. If you say only God can forgive sins, but Jesus also gave his disciples the power to forgive sins as par the Bible. So are they also God(s)?
To be continued..

Mark the difference in time between the two verses "MATHEW9:2 and MATHEW28:18"....
Believing what you said,so Jesus started using His Powers even before it was given him right?
2ndly,Jesus gave them the Powers to forgive sins because He is God himself!!

ubl6: Actually most of the things God created in nature are in pairs. Why then don't you say God is 2 in 1 but 3 in 1?

Animals bro,animals!

are they the same? Can you substitute time with space or matter?

No you cannot substitute them,but they are One Universe,and none can survive without the other!!

Can these 3 co-exist at the same time? Can we be in the past, present, and future all at once? Only one of these can exist at a time, therefore time is unlike the trinity.[quote]Yet they are all time...Whether it was past,present or future,they are all time...The future will not exist without a past,and there wont be the present Without the Past or Future!! Cant u see?

[quote]None of the above proves trinity! Are they all one in the sense you can substitute one with another? Is water the same with blood or air in the same way christians claim of trinity? None of the examples you gave are co-equal, co-eternal, uncreated and of the same substance.

Yes they are...If there is no Water in your body,you will die..If you dont have blood too or air,you will die too...But once all of them are there,you live!

Is there any other definition of co-existence than This?

Here on your own admission, the three forms of water cannot co-exist at the same time. You only convert one form to another by raising or lowering temperature. But this does not fit the trinity since it is said that all the 3 distinct ‘persons’ in the Godhead ‘co-exist’ at the same time.

Where did you see that?
In that water example,they all exist together as The Liquid "WATER"....So,it doesnt mean that When it is in Solid state{Ice form},it is no longer Water!! Once the Ice Melts,it is same Water,but it has taken another form,yet that other form is Water!!
No matter the form H20 is,it is still water,that is What that Example is all about,so dont input what i didnt say...

If the above verses mean Jesus is God then John 17:20-22 could also mean his disciples are God(s): “That they may be ONE as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be ONE in us...”
“I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in ONE...”

You just dont want to let go of Dick said,and Tom said....

Yes, because he was sent by the father. But it doesnt mean he is the father. “No man hath seen God at any time” John 1:18
“(God) whom no man hath seen, nor can see.” Timothy 6:16

And Jesus ain't no man bro! Or are you saying Jesus is man?
I dont even know the essence of What you quoted!!

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ubl6: It is true that we cannot really understand the nature of God. But this is why we should be careful what we attribute to the Almighty. We should only believe in and practice what he taught us in the scriptures. God did say several times in the Bible that he is one and there is none else. Could he have said it any better? Why did God had to wait for people to hold ‘councils’ and decide what his ‘true’ nature was centuries after his sent agent had left? If God has simply told people that he is a ‘3 in 1’ God all your water and ice examples would not have been necessary. None of the verses you quoted proves the father, the son and the spirit are ‘co-equal, co-eternal and of the same substance.’ in my next post I'll reply to each one of them.

Oh yeah,they are "co-equal and co-eternal and of the same Substance",and thats why the Bible was written in Three phases,Introducing Them in Each phase.....

ubl6: Below is an extract from a commentary for the above verse, written by the editors of King James Version (The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible, 6th edition):
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"The Hebrew word for God is `Elohim' (430), a plural noun. In Genesis 1:1, it is used in grammatical agreement with a singular verb `bara' (1254), created. When plural pronouns are used, "Let us make man in our image after our likeness," does it denote a plural of number or the concept of excellence or majesty which may be indicated in such a way in Hebrew? Could God be speaking to angels, the earth, or nature thus denoting Himself in relation to one of these? Or is this a germinal hint of a distinction in the divine personality? One cannot be certain."
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Having written "One cannot be certain", the editors try to advocate the theory of Jesus, as the "essential (internal) unity of Godhead."
The response to your question, as well as, to the commentators remark; "One cannot be certain", lies not very far, but in the next verse (Genesis 1:27), which reads; "And God created man in His own image,..." This statement tells us that the actual act of creation when performed, was performed by "Him" and in "His" image and not by "Us" in "Our" image. The plural pronouns used are pronouns of majesty not of number. This is common in semetic languages (like Hebrew, Arabic etc). If you have read the Quran before you will see that in many places God used “We” to refer to himself. Though he also used singular pronouns in other verses. You see, the problem with most Trinitarian christians is that, they used to conveniently ignore all other relevant EXPLICIT verses in the Bible which does not support their innovation and look for some imaginary ones. Let me give you another EXPLICIT verse in which Jesus himself refer to the Creator with a singular pronoun! Why did you ignore it? "And he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, `Have you not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female." (Matthew 19:4).

Bro,that Verse "Let Us Make Man in Our own Image" is really easy to understand....
Since u believe God was not referring to Angels in that verse,then i dont know what else you are saying....
I,Me==>Singular
Us==>Plural..
My==>Singular
Our==>Plural......
God could have said "Let Me Make Man in My Own image",yet He opted to Say "Let Us make Man in Our Own image"....
Unless you will tel me that the passage is mistranslated too or that God is confused about His personality!!
2ndly,when you read That Water{H20} example i gave above and u apply it to this passage too,it wil make u understand it more...

ubl6: There is nothing wrong with ‘wonderful counselor’, ‘prince of peace’. But “everlasting father”, “mighty God” in the Divine sense? No!

Why no? So you are now more knowledgeable than Isaiah that called him that right? Or maybe Isaiah was probably drunk and literary mis-stated it? Bro,the whole translations i checked with said same thing...

First, note that, in the Bible, the term "everlasting" or "forever" is often used as a figurative term and does not necessarily mean in its literal sense, e.g., It says; "and David My servant shall be their prince forever." Ezekiel 37:25.
The same goes for the use of the term "Father". It does not necessarily mean; "the Heavenly Father" (God), or the biological.

does it now mean Earthly father ?

Now, how about the phrase; “mighty God”?, let me clear that issue in advance. “mighty God” or "Almighty God" (in some versions) is a deliberate mistranslation of the Hebrew phrase "El-Gibbor" used by Isaiah.

Deliberate Mistranslation right?And you are the write translator,Mr Hebrew?
You also said Math28:19 is inserted too in the later days! Abi?......Okay.

Notwithstanding the mistranslation. If it is accepted that the prophesy was saying that Jesus would be “Almighty God,” then that would contradict many explicit statements in the Bible including those made by Jesus himself like:
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You (i.e Father), the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John17:3

Bro,it doesnt contradict anything,you are the one making it appear so....Like i said earlier,Jesus is God the Son,and if you start understanding it from that perspective,it will aid you a lot....Jesus never claimed He is God the Father,YHWH...He proceeds from the father,just like The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Great love between Him and The Father...
Ask yourself,Jesus is always called "the only begotten son",{John3:16}{John1:18}{John1:34},and many other verses..Now, who bore Jesus in Heaven? Does God has a wife? How was He{Jesus} concieved in Heaven?

ubl6: Why won't you answer me? Those were not my words! I only quoted learned Biblical scholars. But even if you don't agree with them, I told you Mathew28:19 still does not at all indicate that the three names mentioned in the formula are or were, "co-equal" in their status, as well as, were "co-eternal" in the time frame, and "un-created" to conform with your acknowledged `Doctrine of Trinity'. Where are your replies to all my previous responses?? Is it that you agree all your claims were refuted only Mat28:19 you are not ok with? Are you quitting our educative discourse because i quoted Bible Scholars saying a verse was added to your Bible? So you think the Bible has never been tempered with since it was first written, right? Is ok. Now tell me if you agree that i have refuted all your trinitarian claims, then we can begin to talk about the Bible itself. Pls don't run away o. Perhaps you may ‘clinch a convert for Christ.’ lol

You are quite funny!
And No, i didnt run away..
Just that i hate it when People instead of explaining or saying what is in the Bible,they will tel me Dick said B,Jack said T,Harry said Z....it totaly disorients me!!

[quote author=Mr Mac-10]Million dollar pussy wetin be de difference between ur pussy and nneka own MONEY MAKES ME CUM[/quote]Na wa o!! Rude!!

samwind1508: can u imagine who would play God? who do u go for?

Must surely be a new Character....But i just cnt tink of any1 right now...You?

samwind1508: Supernatural cannot end without God making an appearance because how long will his holiday last or is it sabbatical and the way those two spoilt brat (Lucifer and Michael ) are misbehaving God is bound to appear and I can't wait to see who would play his/ her character.
The show has always been crazy and I think those writers would push the envelope on God and not to forget this Winchester boys really believe they have a score to settle with him for allowing his brat to just toy with humans like rag toys.
The part that I can't stop freaking off about is writing out the concept of Jesus this show is crazy and it is the best.
I wouldn't be sup prised that one of the Winchester boys is the Christ those two boys have escape too many without being somebody, those boys make Angels tremble.

The Concept of Jesus wont fit into the Story You know?..That lovely and Peaceful son of God character will dull the show...
Remember,they tried to portray Lucifer as a peaceful being initially,but he had to go Violent,cuz the Movie is all about violence!!
Seriously,just b4 God shows up,somebody is got to Release someone from the cage o!!!

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Hopeful death would make a cameo appearance, dat character was awesome and he is easily the greatest horseman the rest were just lame. He said he would reap God I hope that boast wasn't empty maybe he has who knows.[/quote]Seriously,i couldnt stop laughing when Death made that boast...And the funniest of them all,Death said he doesnt even know Him or God who started existing first!!
Craziest and Wierdest film ever,i tell u....

macof: their views are more reasonable than christianity, I recommend u learn about them

Alrite,am a novice here....Tell me one of this views?

ubl6: Sir, i also disagree with you here in view of the following evidences:-
*.1. `Peake's Commentary on the Bible' published since 1919, is universally welcomed and considered to be a standard reference book for the students of the Bible. Commenting on the above verse it records; "This mission is described in the language of the church and most commentators doubt that the trinitarian formula was original at this point in Mt.'s Gospel, since the NT elsewhere does not know of such a formula and describes baptism as being performed in the name of the Lord Jesus (e.g. Ac. 2:38, 8:16, etc.)."
*.2. Tom Harpur, author of several bestsellers and a former professor of New Testament, writes in his book `For Christ's Sake'; "All but the most conservative of scholars agree that at least the latter part of this command was inserted later. The formula occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, and we know from the only evidence available (the rest of the New Testament) that the earliest Church did not baptise people using these words - baptism was "into" or "in" the name of Jesus alone."
*.3. "And Peter said to them, `Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;...'" (Acts 2:38). It is most unlikely that apostle Peter would have disobeyed the specific command of Jesus Christ for baptising in the three names and baptized them in the name of Jesus Christ, alone.
*.4. The above command (authentic or otherwise) does not indicate that the three names mentioned in the formula are or were, "co-equal" in their status, as well as, were "co-eternal" in the time frame, to conform with the acknowledged `Doctrine of Trinity'.

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Bro,i now understand your view,and problem too...
You will alwaz be quick to believe what Every Tom and Dick said,but What the Bible said,you will never believe.....
Its awful you say That Bible passage was inserted in the later years!! If u believe it was inserted,you should as well discard other Parts of the Bible too...
Bro,you can go ahead and believe whatever they tell u to Believe,thats your business...If you actually read my Posts you quoted,you wouldnt have been saying anything contrary...Just that as usual,you are here to proclaim your belief rather than open up your mind,thats why you argue......
Mathew28:19 is a very simple passage to comprehend.....Even a kid will understand that passage....For you to have told me that that Passage was attached,hmmmmmm,i dont think i can answer u again....

Steamy!!