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i wish the christian feminists the best of luck in their campaign to ensure God is perceived as she or a suitable pronoun they invent

Fury road is part 4

UjSizzle:
Fury road? I'm not a fan of Mad Max, but I'll give this one a shot coz I sight Charlize Theron

cococandy:
there's no conspiracy.
Read my post to francistony.

The thing is that it just happens that when we have to make human characterization of abstract figure that we haven't seen, we use the ideas best suited to us and the role that figure is going to play in our lives.

It is that simple.

Igbos have female deities. And each is ascribes a feminine gender because of the role it plays in the life of the people who worship it.
For example We have ani, goddess of the land/soil. She's responsible for fertility(which include soil fertility and female fertility; ignorantly, male fertility wasn't recognized as something to be worried about then)

The man was the father of the family so chukwu was ascribed the male gender because his role was the father of the other gods.
If the gods were going to have a father, it would make most sense in our human mind to make him a HE because men were fathers. It is only a natural thought progression.

Human beings create their own idea of God that's why we have so many varying versions of who God really is all over the world.
It doesn't make it necessarily true but it helps us be grounded in our relationship with the idea or who we want God to be in our lives.

So its all psychology n mindset that gods must be male?

So Christ who referred to God as Heavenly Father was also a mindset

I now see why God must be she.
That will undo the eons of brainwashing

Females will now be able to reach d top once we say God the Mother...

Why stop there

Jesus is female or maybe transgender

Christian feminists......carry go

kaboninc:
I wonder what the economic benefit would be should we continue this debate that obviously leads no where. What we stand to gain debating on if God is white or black or brown or whatever, especially with bland kids here.
The same bible which most of these people steadily make reference to says all humans are in his image, was the same bible introduced to us by the whites and still the same bible some of us have found solace in it. Same bible made reference to God as a 'He'. In my opinion, a 'man' signifies 'authority', 'superiority', 'head', 'most powerful' and every adjective that points to the 'top'.
Also, what's the gain we'd derive pacifying these ladies who decide to on their own to feel inferior here that they can refer to God as a 'she'! If you refer to God as a she and 'She' answers your queries, meets you in times of your needs, so then good for you. You can also substitute all 'He' in the bible with your 'She'. But for those who don't buy this awkward idea, why crucify us?

when i saw the article online, i thought it will be seenfor what it was
Dangerous revisionism by a group of hallucinated femmes who believe changing the gender of God will atone for the differences in the sexes, that this female God in the sky will turn men to birthing and bleeding humans so that women can do whatever it is men do..

However i can now see the struggle is real

women really want God to be a she.

I did not know it was this bad

cococandy:
now we are getting somewhere.

God became 'white' because the white men had the upper hand. They had guns. They brought the religion. God was who they told us he was. Whether we liked it or not.

Same way he became a 'he' because those who made the decisions that mattered about him where men. He became a HE because men wanted him to be.
Relate?

With this, we needn't argue any further.

I knew where you were playing to..

So ur point is now that God is a human creation since men assigned gender to him and not the words of His only Son or even traditional religions

Chineke or Chukwu is denoted as male
Olorun is too
Zeus
Etc


So it is a global conspiracy to make God a male connotation ?

Ok

cococandy:
God is not racist.

But is the presentation made of God by the first white missionaries who brought Christianity to us a racist one? Maybe not intentional but yes it is racist. Pictures of White Jesus. Pictures of White apostles. Pictures of White everyone-that-mattered.


If it didn't affect the psych of the black man, why are black scholars all over the place trying to prove that Jesus was black? They know what happened there. Whether he was really black is topic for another day.

But I've seen a m0r0n once in while say that even God chose to come back to earth in the form of a white man because of one bla bla bla reason.
You don't think any of the early representation of God as white man had something to do with that?

It is the same way the representation of God as HE induces the occasionally m0ron to say God is a man and that makes the male gender superior.

Deny it all you want, it is basic psychology at work here.

Africa was not colonized because God is white
It was because the white people had guns

Making.God black will not change the economic realities that the whites n blacks
face

UjSizzle:
TVD is over for now so I've moved to the GOT thread. Meanwhile did you see the last episode of Salem?

I don't follow Devious Maids. Is it any good?
Saw this new series yesterday, "the whispers," it promises to be interesting. Still in it's first episode though.

Oh.. not seen the Salem
May see it tonight after i finish mad max 3

The Whispers... i will wait for reviews

So God is racist too..... choi

this joke is getting more serious

cococandy:
Ok you don't see the relationship.
Now that's better.

I didn't expect you to see it. So I won't hold it against you:

It is the same way a white man won't see the relationship between racism and the Christian God/Jesus being a white bearded old man/white young handsome fellow respectively but blacks can see it.

Our points of view are not the same.

Summary


I dont see the relationship between God being referred to as He and male chauvinism

You dont need Gods gender to do that

cococandy:
your problem is that you're the first to pounce on my post to try to argue against it when actually it was meant more for coogar and his line of argument. (Basically that God is a man)

You need to slow down and stop misunderstanding posts not meant for you.

I told you before that I don't agree he should be referred to as a she or it because of the centuries it would probably take to recondition the Christian mind that he now plays a different role than that of a father which we assigned to him. That would be like redefining the religion all together. So i agree it would be confusing and problematic.

But I agree it gives it gives male chauvinists leg to stand on when trying to present the female gender as inferior. I saw their reason for that. And I see it being displayed on this thread and many like it too..

Except you're saying you don't agree that it has that effect on(which I would not be surprised if you say you don't see it)

I don't even know what you're on about again.

SHIM help us

Ah........ (no MEN there)

Nonso23:
lets use ASHIM then
Perfectly aligned with the cause!

cococandy:
It is lost on you.

If you actually believe God is not man, face coogar and argue against his argument instead of being unclear about where you stand.

Is he a man or genderless?

ok....you still dont get it with your pretty head

I will expatiate once more..phew


The issue once again..is not whether God is a man but which pronoun should be used to refer to the christian God

Christian feminists are up in stitches because they believe that the fact that God has always been referred to as He gave males spiritual backing to perpertuate the patriachy.

So if they make God agender or a She.. this will help in making God less masculine

comprende?

Nonso23:
Abi? even easier to spot the humble boobs and arrogant ones. Good idea! Totally in support!
SHIM grant us this request oo!
Ah-mem!

Nope
Amen has MEN in it

Awomen is more politically correct
Ah is ok too

Ah

Nonso23:
Na that free the nippless part of feminism i want support even if I have to rob
SHIM abi na mtn SIM? all join .

Yes o// after a hard day's work..some eye candy for the road is not a bad idea
As long as its not slippers

SHIM help us
Hallelujah

Nonso23:
Na them get their hand as long as they can't rewrite the brain they can scribble away

Now u can see the joke that is the movement

Free the Nip-ples
God is a She

Darkrebel666:
okay.
but wait...god said : let's make man in our own image not woman .. oops
if we take that verse of the bible literarily, that means god has the looks and physical attributes of a man and not a woman.
so?

Well i dont want to debate the sex of God theologically
That he is referred to as He is enough for now

cococandy:
You do realize that 'God is not man' in that scripture means God is not human (just a way of saying humans lie but God doesn't)
If not it would imply that only men lie.

Every part of the bible gives the distinct message that God is not human and I'm here reading arguments about god's gender when I thought I've seen it all.

You're up in stitches too.
All of you are.

i guess the discourse is lost on you
Ok

cococandy:
So God is a man.

Or a he's a sexless 'he' gender?

I give up

I will quote from the Bible and in bold for those who saying making him He makes him a Man

[size=28pt]God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? - Numbers 23. 19[/size]

He is not a man

He is however referred to as HE, not she or it

Dont give up..its your fellow sisters that are up in stitches about God;s gender

cococandy:
Do you agree that God is genderless?

Forget about who calls the shot in each individual marriage. Your marriage your style. Everybody and their style. (Another pointless argument in my opinion.)

I will answer your question with this

God The Father, God the Son, God The Holy Spirit

Father is not a genderless constuct

bukatyne:
My previous posts are very clear about my opinion of the subject matter

I fail to see the joke here
You say in one breath God is genderless, in another you are made is HIS image
so which is which
You dont know how true your words were when you said they will soon rewrite another bible

I will not be surprised..

Nonso23:
Abeg no evulz here o
At least charly boy can rest easy as he is not the only Nigerian worshipping some strange diety.
SHIM worshippers plenty to dash am moral support

Only God knows the gender God should be referred to then
But this people will rewrite the Bible soon

naijababe:
y'all are definitely on a roll tonight

I am only helping the version of feminism referred to as christian feminism...
strange but heck...

Nonso23:
Thier God na Hermerphroditus, that Greek son of hermes and aphrodite that was eventually fused with the lustful nymph Salmacis.
THE PERFECT CANDIDATE FOR THE 'SHIM' TITLE!

hahaha.....
evulz....

cococandy:
even though I don't necessarily agree( too late in my opinion), I can obviously see why.
If refering to God as a he makes nairaland dudes and those like them interpret it to mean the female gender is inferior, is that any surprise they would say so?
A simple understanding of the reasons why God began to be called a man in the first place should be enough to eliminate childish arguments about the gender of God.

good....i wondered why u laid a rant if u had read d text... you did
Referring to God as He predates Nairaland.. so saying that is the reason why females are inferior?.... haha
Females are not inferior..we are all equal before God but in marriage there is a head which you also agree with

So what is the issue exactly

To know why God is a He Not a Man...dont get it twisted

Darkrebel666:
well. I couldn't care less whether its a he or she. whatever it is, it doesn't exist or dwell in the filaments.
I only wanted to answer the question you asked.

Pity the subtleties of this discourse is being lost

I got your point however xtian feminists are the one saying God being Referred to as He is the root cause of the patriarchy

cococandy:
You guys on nairaland have taken your chauvinism a little too far.


Pause and breathe.

gods in many religions were variably male and female depending on what role each one played in the lore of the people who worshipped it.

The 'gender' of God is man made.
Just like the various religions that we make up to associate and worship him with. And yes I said him. Why? Because that's what I've been taught and it is become a habit.

Just like most of you were taught and those who taught you were taught until it goes back to the first persons who ascribed the gender to him.

Before I answer you
Have you read the article about feminists saying God should not be referred to as He

At least read before u pounce..

bukatyne:
Look for my name in the article

You are a Nigerian; explain to a Ghanian Why we do not have light.

You just stated God is gender less...what should we call such..

A gender, transgendered, non gender...LOL

coogar:
use SHIM!

And SHIM said "Let there be light"

Our Source which art in heaven
Hallowed Be shim name

Darkrebel666:
the god of the christians is definitely a 'He' .. its not rocket science.
if god was a 'she' - he would have been addressed as goddess instead.

Never in doubt
But the paucity of causes is the genesis for crappiage such as this

- God is not a he
- Free the Nip-ples etc

bukatyne:
Ask them na.

why ... u are also a christian feminist

If you say God is genderless, then we should not use He for God or She

Can we use HShe

bukatyne:
I glanced through them.

I agree God is genderless and has both fatherly and motherly characteristics

God has decided to be denoted as a Father. Denoting Him as a she is also not balanced.

When they are ready, they should produce a new Bible

Now u are in the discourse..

Why would God want to be referred to as a He and humans (Christian feminists) say He should be a She

bukatyne


I said it before

read this link

https://womenandthechurch.org/news/news-round-up-let-god-be-a-she-the-national-conversation-about-a-god-without-gender/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32958213/god-is-neither-she-nor-he-say-anglican-priests

bukatyne:
I am made in His likeness; my husband is also made in His likeness.

Your issue is that u are just leaping
Where was it said God is a male
I asked what pronoun should be used to refer to God?


Good u agree God is a He
So why are Christian feminists clamouring for God not to be represented by He

which one is representation.. stop prevaricating

The church is a collection of people (both male and female) and referred to as a bride..hence a she..no issue there

We are talking of God..should God be referred to as a HE or SHE or transgender?

Simple

bukatyne:
Sai!

What part of it is a representation don't you get.

Ok, God is a male, the Church is a female (afterall, na woman be bride)

bukatyne:
God is neither a he or she

The spirit world is genderless... we cannot comprehend God as genderless and the male gender is used to denote him.

Just how the Church is called she... Imagine reading 'it is the bride of Christ'

This is not equality or inferiority or superiority and has no bearing to this discussion

Ok..if God is no He or She, why did Christ call him Father
And what pronoun do you use with father

UjSizzle:
Hey you Long time.



Pickabeau holla x2

Hola


See u... ive been looking for u on the vamp diaries thread
Are u aware devious maids has resume

kaboninc:
When I said FrancisTony has a problem, only coogar understands!

As in eh

FrancisTony:
I don't belong to their group.

It's there business not mine.

Good.. so its concluded now that God is a HE

FrancisTony:
He should be referred as, "HE" since he was portrayed as a father but it doesn't make him a man.

[s]White men introduced God as a man so that women will feel inferior.
Introduced God as a white so that black will feel inferior[/s].

Gosh..... your logic is astounding

Where is it said God is a man

The Bible says God is not a man that he should lie

You have a habit of making a point then railing off another set of points which have no bearing to the point.. choi... .. who spoke of white man now?

1. So if God is a He.. why is there a controversy of Him being made a she by the Watch group. see my posts above

FrancisTony:
Why was Jerusalem referred as a mother?

Does that mean she's a full woman with breeast? NO

Father represents head of authority, and Yahweh sent Yeshua, hence calling God "father".

Very good..at least you are contributing

However you are going off on a tangent

It's not about sex organs or brêasts


The issue here is which pronoun should Yahweh the father be referred to

He
She
It
Transgendered

Fill in the gap

bukatyne:
I should stop asking questions with questions? What would I ask with? Answers
Does spirit have a gender?

Whatever you say is the answer

FrancisTony:
God is genderless.
Chauvinistic men made it seem like God is HE.
It's just the way church is referred as SHE but in actual sense, it's not a woman.

If chauvinists made God a HE
Accoding to your logic, Jesus is a chauvinist for referring to God as his Father.. Yes?

bukatyne:
Is God a He?

Does He have male sex organs?

stop asking question with questions.. state your point

If God is not a He, what is God then

An0nimus:
I don't know why my brain was just supplying monikers to each of the categories listed in your post

as in eh